In an interview with the Radio Times while promoting her upcoming documentary series titled The Space Race...

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if we lived in such a time of misogyny, as women like this claim, not only would VOY or STD never have been made with a female lead, but these women wouldn't even be allowed to voice this opinion

so they are objectively wrong and incorrect on every level. If the problems they say exist actually existed, they wouldn't be allowed to say they existed. The fact they are allowed to say the problems exist shows, without doubt, that the problems don't exist.

This coming from the woman who treated a woman like shit because she was a woman, does she address her massive hypocrisy in all of this?

Saying that "Picard followed that to a certain extent" isn't exactly "lumping in TNG"
It sounds like a fairly nuanced answer to a blunt question.
There are always going to be retards using "hurr durr women characters" as a reason for a show being shit, but these mouthbreathers should be ignored so that the actual problems can be talked about.

No but then again if it wasn't popular no one would care about, it would just be some 60s tv show that got two seasons before being shit canned and might be brought up once in a blue moon on sci fi forums.

That shitty softcore porn shit she did after was worth her leaving the show.
Lost some sperm to that shit

Lol, imagine actually thinking that these people only pretending to be insane. Their views are all genuine

This is becoming truly absurdist
Imagine being a trekkie (espically when it was considered pretty weird - so post the era where it was big tv) only for one of the cast to turn around and call you a bigot for enjoying it

how much more can white men take

am i a bad person for liking TNG?

>tfw you don't watch TNG anymore even though it is your favorite trek series because you have seen each episode at least 10 to times and remember each scene beat for beat

Well yes technically these people don't actually care about women and have made lives worse for women. But they accomplish their goals under the veil of feminism. That's why they're so successful. They have mastered the trojan horse and with their control of media they can dictate how the average person perceives reality.

True but most can't view things like that. No matter how obvious that men have continually lifted women up they will still say no men are the oppressors and women did everything in spite of men.

>You will find that actual misogyny is extremely rare and those who are accused of it often have wives and daughters.

Misogynists come in all shapes and sizes. You seem to have a very limited view of what counts and misogynistic.

You'd have to be a very insecure and thin skinned loser to be unable to admit that some things you used to enjoy when you were younger might have had negative elements to them you simply did not register or understand until at an older age.

If you liked "Code of Honor" then yes

Code of Honor is a master class in how not to produce a TV show.

I know what misogyny means, at least what it is supposed to mean.
Misogyny is hatred of women, a clinical and irrational hatred of any female, a homicidal variety of hatred.
Being sexist, or saying a woman is a bitch or shouldn't be able to vote or are bad at sports is not misogyny, despite what your gender studies professor might have told you.

>all these queerbaits, semites, and cunts using the Apollo 11 anniversary as an opportunity to shill cunts in space over and over and over again
may they live in interesting times

>using the old heteronormative racist bigot definition
sorry sweaty it's 2019
get with the program

no it doesn't Misogyny had a clear and concise definition until fairly recently, now it's become a catch-all term for anything that puts women's noses out of joint.

>misogyny
>/mJˈsɒdʒ(ə)ni/
>noun
>Dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

I see no major change in the definition.

>Misogyny refers specifically to a hatred of women. The word is formed from the Greek roots misein (“to hate”) and gynē (“woman”). Each of these roots can be found in other English words, both common and obscure. Gynē helped to form gynecologist and androgynous, and misein can be found in such words as misoneism (“a hatred, fear, or intolerance of innovation or change”) and misandry (“a hatred of men”).

The definition of the word has been altered over the past 2 decades.

wsj.com/articles/misogyny-has-its-meaning-shifted-1401490009
>The Oxford English Dictionary revised its definition of "misogyny" back in 2002, changing it from "hatred of women" to "hatred or dislike of, or prejudice against women." And after Ms. Gillard gave her "misogyny" speech in 2012, the editor of Australia's Macquarie Dictionary acknowledged that their definition was in need of a similar expansion.

how were the females in Next Gen not shown as equal? For that matter how in TOS? Yeah people in the 60s/70s still realized that men and women are different but was there ever any indication that this affected their worth?

>Gene Roddenberry has shown us a wonderful glimpse of a future wherein mankind works together to solve all problems!
>eh, no sweetie. TOS and TNG were horrible rapist shows and we can fix his mistakes now!

Giving women rights was a mistake.

Language evolves. That's completely natural.

Bitch was in the worst Trek after Discovery, she ought to keep her trap shut.

if you are a white, straight man you are bad period!

Go watch Spock's Brain, Wolf in the Fold, Lights of Zentar and The Turnabout Intruder. I like TOS a lot but it is totally fair to say it could be sexist or racist.

How were they misogynist exactly? You do realize that means "hating women" right? It seems to me that Gene loved women, because every episode had a new hot piece of ass.

not when there's perfectly good words already in place i.e. sexism and chauvinism. calling every slight and setback misogyny is newspeak plain and simple.

>people in the 60s/70s still realized that men and women are different
>was there ever any indication that this affected their worth?
these are mutually exclusive
Contemporary dogma states that women can do anything men can do, and oftentimes better.
Refuting this in any way is bigotry. Even if you're doing it like Joe Rogan when he shit talks trannies being allowed to fight women in UFC, out of safety for the women themselves.
This is how far we've come. Misogyny used to be abject hatred of women, but now it can be interpreted to mean presumption that women need protecting, which is logically presupposed by generally wishing women to be safe. Words no longer have meaning.

Language evolves because people interpret things differently. Corporations redefining a word and academic institutions enforcing it onto HR departments from the top down is unnatural.

>b-but star trek w-was always progressive!
lmao btfo, and also proof that TOS is the best trek

the usage of sexism leaves the door open for men to accuse women of discriminating against them
this is unacceptable
and dumbfuck zoomers have no fucking clue what chauvinism even is

>first interracial kiss on TV
>not lefty bullshit
speculative fiction has always been dominated by the left

Watch The Turnabout Intruder and tell me whoever wrote that isn't a misogynist. Or basically any episode where any woman attempting to exercise authority is crazy and shrill. Its a minority but pretending it didn't happen is retarded.

And that's why TOS is the best Trek. TNG onward treated gender and race as something only skin deep and that everyone is basically the same, which feels fake as fuck.

So you aren't allowed to have incompetent female leaders on tv?

It just sounds like reality to me. Have you ever had a female boss? Women with authority/power are insufferable

No they didn't. They often commented on the differences between people but as opposed to it being a point of conflict everyone served to compliment each other.

How are those things evidence of hatred against women aka misogyny? They merely show men as better than women, which is at worst is sexist or chauvinistic.

>first interracial kiss!!
who cares, the last episode of TOS was basically anti-feminist in fucking 69. most likely gene wanted to fuck black women and thats why he put that kiss in the show. watch any episodes with mudd its pure kino.
>but it was progressive back then
and now its sexist and racist

I should have specified that I was referring to the human characters. Earth is treated as mostly homologous culture. The concept of ethnic groups is wholly ignored.

They treated race within humans the same way we would treat hair color or fashion choice, but they treated species differentiation the way almost everyone except the most deracinated urbanite hipsters experience race. It can be interpreted as either pro or anti-assimilationist, but it is almost always saying "diversity is our strength" in some form or fashion.

TOS either doesn't do this or does it in a very subtle way. Of course everything about TOS was more subtle than the other shows, but that only makes it better.

I get her point but regardless of 'sexism' STD is a fucking travesty of television writing and insulting to fans of other Star Trek shows. If the series was the same but Michael was a dude I'd still shit all over it for being awful.
I've done my fair share of shitting on Voyager too, but Voyagers biggest crimes were missed opportunities and wasted potential. STD in comparison is Star Trek in name only. Pretty much all of its problems have nothing to do with women characters.

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there is literally no reason anymore not to support islam and not beat women back into the stone age

it simply states the truth that ambitious women are horrible irritating and often evil, nothing wrong with it. based gene did it one last time

I love STDs
youtube.com/watch?v=cn4fW0EInqw

>TOS
>subtle
lel

>We are not a society that has endorsed females as equals to males on television

Because you arent equal and never will be. Same that a man will never have the societal value of a woman since she has the kids.

Deal with it

When you end up painting basically all women in authority positions as crazy, you are allowed to criticize that the show has clear issues when it comes portraying the opposite sex.

Of course you can but it's clear when you wheel out the same lifeless cardboard cut out to stand next to the cast.

You're right about the racial differences being ignored but they still commented on other biological differences.

It goes beyond male chauvinism user, it is basically actively looking to punish.

I defy you to highlight how human racial differences between characters were significant in TOS. The lack of their significance was the significance. Also TOS was rarely subtle or even more subtle than most other trek shows.

i hope you tards are starting to understand why we need Islam now

Well they didn't do it every time but it was incredibly obvious when it did happen because of how blatant it was.

DS9 dropped the n bomb ffs

>reddit letter media

cringe

That was one episode and in the end Sisko accepts he was being a dumbass about the whole thing and joins in on the fun.

cringe bait

>it is totally fair to say it could be sexist or racist.

in what way were women or races shown to be generally inferior?

No it's not and Sisko doesn't decide he was being a dumbass, he just decides that just because race hate existed doesn't mean he should totally write off the past which is weirdly relevant to this thread. Then there is the episode where they go to the mid 21st century, Sisko and Bashir are dumped in a ghetto and Dax is helped out uptown which was genuinely a bit of a subtle.

>Marina Sirtis shits on the fans
>gets a guest star spot on Kurtzman's Picard show
>Mulgrew shits on the fans, Roddenberry and TOS
>expresses a desire to appear on the Picard spin-off
The absolute state of these cunts...

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There was nothing racial about the ghetto episode, it was about class and the "forgotten man."

>Mudd

Best Trek character. I want a series just following his exploits.

Just watch those episodes if you want to see a bit of sexism. Top tier racist TOS is the Omega Glory and The Paradise Syndrome. In defense of both of those episodes The Omega Glory is just more dumb than it is racist and The Paradise Syndrome is actually trying to inclusive, they just go about in a way that totally undermines that goal. By far my most racist episode of any trek will be Code of Honor in TNG. Its fucking hilarious.

That's like asking Shit about why it doesn't like flowers. Fuck this whore!

Wait what

Yeah, nah m8. A pretty young white girl is found on the streets without ID or money and gets help. Two men of color get found on the streets get found without ID or money and they are dumped in a ghetto by the cops. Its not actually that subtle, it is just that since its Trek we don't think of the characters in those terms and don't pick up on it right away.

That's because she gets found by some rich guy who thinks she's hot. It was pure luck, you're reading way too much into it. If she had appeared where they did she'd be in the ghetto too

Nah m8, it's definitely intentional. At least it is according to Ira Behr.

>Only female lead actor and face of an entire series of trek says trek is sexist
White
Privilege

No, we're not.

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Why would mulgrew care about some broke ass network show? She's been in marvel movies

She is actually not wrong, but shitting on a show from 60's for being misogynist is really stupid, ESPECIALLY when its a show that paved the way for more liberal ideas to trinkle into mainstream TV. Roddenberry was a visionary, but also definitely a sleezebag.

She wants females to be treated equal to males but doesn't realize what that really means

>Code of Honor

How did this get made? Fucking seriously.

>Star Trek is sexist
>says main character in female led Star Trek show
what more do women folk want?

Watch "Space Seed" with any lib woman if you wanna get her to hate Trek. That episode is hilarious.

They simply are oblivious to the irony
>More wyomen leads and equal pay
>Say the highest paid most successful Hollywood super star lead actresses

Oh God I forgot about Space Seed. That is a pretty good episode otherwise. And you can write it off as not sexist since somehow every else but Spock is enamoured with Khan, history bitch just takes it to the extreme.

Do white women ever stop complaining?

Just because it was progressive for its time it doesn't negate the show's flaws, such as the subtle and not so subtle sexism that was still there.

Western society is highly gynocentric. Her bullshit is the inversion of the actual situation. It's a case of the roastbeef crying as she strikes you.

You're right but in other news water is wet.

Do you ever stop being offended?

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So why do people take offense when someone accurately points it while talking in the context of sexism?

>haha burn the culture to the ground
How's your wife's kid doing?

I'm not offended right now

>liberal
You're neo-marxist, rabid dogs.

I wouldn't be surprised that was last time Starfleet ever employed a person to be just a general "Ship Historian". They probably let her stat with Khan just to get rid of her. What failure of a Starfleet officer.

Fuck if I know. All media is a product of its time, it'd be stupid not to expect some culture shock when watching something from over 50 years ago.

No the Enterprise D had a 20th century historian. I fail to see how that is relevant in deep space though.

What is racist about Code of Honor? The niggers were represented as a strange and different culture who starfleet treated with respect. If you think it's racist maybe you don't respect different cultures!

I didn't realize this episode was racist until after I read about it on the internet. It dealt with an alien race with a patriarchal and oppressive regime who just happened to be humanoid and dark skinned, what's the big deal?

despite being roughly 50% of the population males have invented 99% of everything

The Enterprise specifically gets dragged into time travel shenanigans almost as much as its holodeck malfunctions, its indisputably practical to have a historian around.

Read this as a trump tweet

Take a chill pill, you're being just as hysterical like the stereotypical women you love to bitch and moan about.

It reminds white people of how primitive dark skins are and gives them racist thoughts, so that must the truth

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Bitch wouldn't say that shit if she was trying to get the role. They all talk shit after they get paid

Thanks for the insight, Internet tough guy.

Had this retarded bitch said this twenty five years ago her dumb ass would have not been apart of Star Trek. But now that kike wood has gone full on Cultural Marxist everyone's revealing themselves. Which I love because going forward it's good to know who your enemies are when the tone shifts. And the tone's going to shift. When enough billions evaporates and the get woke go broke crowd are homeless or otherwise destitute, the tone's going to swing like an axe pendulum.

>Used to have an objective, concise definition
>Now it basically means anything that challenges female authority in our culture

This is how words lose all meaning. Misogyny doesn't mean anything at all anymore. Women scream it every time men raise a voice to their obvious sabotage of innocent men in order to promote themselves.

Roddenberry was a creepy horny pest, a major MeToo case if he were still alive.