Wow, he is LITERALLY me

>God

Found the problem.

Seething about what

Dany was by far the most hated character by Yea Forums and the /got/ fandom until S7 and 8 when the show reached ever increasing popularity and redditshits showed up and started shilling her. Stannis on the other hand was loved even back in S1 with bookfags always talking about him amd possible castings for him since no knew who'd play him come season 2. Combine both those with the fact that Emilia Clarke can't act at all where as Stephen Dillane has 30+ years experience along with stage plays in London. It's no contest.

But i remember people waifuing Dany back in 2011 and even before got started

He's just a great actor all around. Dillane has also had huge castings in other roles and previous HBO shows, he plays a serious role very well.

Based.

>waifufags
We're talking about actor ability and characters in the series, not what some limp dick fa/tv/rigins get hard over.
Have you ever seen a popular series without waifufags? The anwer is no.

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But i just asked why danyfags were seething

Waifufags can't be reasoned with, I swear. All they care about is their actors appearance while even concepts like actor ability or character portrayal go completely over their head.

the king who cared

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>Set in a time before fuel, electricity and internet was a thing
>Still live in a world of magic, witch doctors, ice zombies and giant butterflies
>Lol just be an atheist bro lol why would you believe in gods or life after death thats dumb lol

I know that feeling, Stan-man.

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>he STILL doesn't believe in the Lord of Light

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TO HIGHGARDEN!

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He really is, though.

The worst part about Emilia devotees is many of them are now convinced she's a great actress because she looked sullen for an episode and then crazy mad for a few minutes. It's embarrassing that they go to such lengths to ignore seasons of subpar acting. Emilia appears likable and is cute but she's not good at her job.

>ignore seasons of subpar acting
She suffered 2 aneurysms in the middle of the show though. Shes ok on flicks like Me Before You, Solo, Voice From The Stone and Spike Island

He killed his daughter cause it was snowing. Fuck off

D&D forced her to not act for seasons, plus the aneurysms

We made a choice. We chose wrong

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*ahem*

STANNIS STANNIS STANNIS STANNIS STANNIS STANNIS STANNIS STANNIS STANNIS STANNIS STANNIS STANNIS

You seem dumb. State your IQ before I engage you further.

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niggerloving danyfags detected, break out the pyres my boys

He’s not me. He’s my King

I look up to him as a role model.

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BBC loving danyfags need to get the fuck out of this thread and go back to cuckposting in their emilia circle jerk threads

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BASED AND CHECKED

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Okay, this is pretty based

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How can a thread be so based?

This thread is almost impossibly based

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Now post 55555555.

checked, holy fuck Stannis was the one true king and masculine straight man which is why cuck bois d and d had to character assasinate him

LONG LIVE TH KING

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Honestly, just to be real for a minute:
Fuck D&D
Fuck Dani
Fuck the Starks
Fuck Jon snow
But mostly
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck Jannies

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Stannis was the embodiment of ruthless war-general with a keen mind for politics-
he knew how he would need to win favour with the realm (Baratheon deserters and Iron bank are some of them) to have a chance against the crown- in the tvshow its through accepting the Red God and make bold decisions like appearing to believe in magic

The fact that he burned Shereen shows that he wasn't a heartless monster, in fact the was very emotion ; Stannis in his personal worst moment was so scared for his future crown that he resorted to murder his own kin

Stannis wasn't a typical tragic hero / anti-hero that people make him out to be, he was hungry for power and would sacrifice honour to get it

t. Tvshow only fag, but have read "A game of thrones"

>tvshow only
Have sex

I dont like reading thick books, I prefer stuff like Dostoevsky, Kafka and more obscure novels which are on the lighter side - for example I recently read "In the miso soup" and its like 100 pages long

You need a sizeable amount of investment and a bit of dedication to read such heavy books - which i dont have

Melisandre was such a based character, when you first meet her she seems like the worst sort of ruthless opportunist but it turns out she's 100% sincere, has 0 self-interest and literally and unironically talks to God. Truly our girl.

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Pretty much pic

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You read those while you dilate?

it's called duty. But it wasn't in Stannis's character to burn shireen. They needed a way to get rid of Stannis, so they had to forsake show logic and commit character assassination to make it work. Hence, 20 good men, Bolton pulling the entire north's cavalry out of their ass, burning Shireen etc. it's bad writing

>he was hungry for power and would sacrifice honour to get it
He was helbent on doing what's rightful and good for the realm.

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So what was the point of r'hhlor again? Resurrect beric to pointlessly hold off zombies then teleport to safety and ressurrect Jon to...?

Holy FUCK. It is truly amazing what makeup can do.

She just needs a tan

To save ninja girl from a random zombie, instead of having Mel tell her “hide in the grove to ambush the ice faggot or maybe use your shape changing abilities we wasted two seasons watching you learn”

“I loved that girl. Like she was my own. She was good, she was kind and you killed her!”

I didnt realise that burning Shereen isn't/hasn't happened in the books yet
But maybe that will change what I wrote before about Stannis...

Although you have to admit, Stannis was always dismissive of magic, and resorted to it to kill his brother and always to further his greater ambition - becoming King.
I dont see how Stannis has any "duty", since taking care of his House and Kingdom is the "duty" of a rightful ruller, but Stannis kills his brother and [not according to book canon (yet)] burnt Shereen.
Stannis also buys sell swords,
Maybe your view of Stannis is based on emotional attachment and trying to justify and diefy him, but everything just points at him being : selfish, single minded, prone to short term planning like planning attacks and denying alliances etc.etc.etc.

None of this points to honour or duty, but to just a determined and selfish person

except destabilising the realm by killing his brother, going into open rebellion against the crown when the forces are roughly evenly divided between the two, not accepting a truce or offering a non-aggression packt with Rob Stark etc.etc.etc

Either Stannis is what I say he is (selfish) or he is meant to be mentally deficient and just role playing as a good general

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>except destabilising the realm by killing his brother
What

I've got his hairline so yes

>except destabilising the realm by killing his brother
Killing Renly did nothing like that. If anything, it stabilized it more by removing an usurping contender.
>going into open rebellion against the crown when the forces are roughly evenly divided between the two
He had roughly more, and he had ships too. Only the Tyrells had more.
>not accepting a truce or offering a non-aggression packt with Rob Stark etc.etc.etc
That was not offered and Robb's men forced him to declare independence, thus Robb's not part of his kingdom anymore.

Both are acclaimed writers and if you read them you would have appreciated their work

Pop culture being enthraled with digging up books which just so happen to be made by Kafka, Dostoevsky, Strugatski, Nietzsche, Gogol etc.etc. doesnt make them worse
Perhaps you attach the pretentiousness of the people you've seen read these books to the novels themselves before reading them, and once you do your perception of the book and its writting contorts to your political/social view

>except destabilising the realm by killing his brother, going into open rebellion against the crown when the forces are roughly evenly divided between the two, not accepting a truce or offering a non-aggression packt with Rob Stark etc.etc.etc
Those are either things he didn't do, or things he is rightful to do.

>son of a bitch
archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/55555555/

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Isn’t that the battle that’s going to happen in winds of winter? I’m excited for best boi but roose is ruthless and cunning so I’m worried

STICKIED!!?

>killing Renly didnt destabilise the realm
what ever, that is up for debate, but its still kinslaying which is a terribly taboo crime in Westeros

>he had roughly more troops
Roughly inst enough, the moment he killed Renly and the Tyrells ran away from him, he should have guessed they would side the the crown - at least out of hate

Also, wise words from Sun Tzu are to never fight a battle where the chances are leaning towards even - dont fight wars where victory isnt decided before hand (Stannis went to war for short term satisfaction and failed to plan ahead most likely due to his selfishness )
>tyrells had more
Just shows my point that killing Renly was a suicide move by Stannis

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My friend, Stannis hated resorting to buying sellswords, this is even shown deliberately in the show. This is indicative of his character. The same as when he mentions that the bannermen that Renly had stolen he should hang for treason but doesn't because he needs them. His greater ambition, becoming king, he didn't see it as this-he saw it as his duty. This is even quoted word by word in the show, as GRR Martin wrote a lot of the episodes, when he says and I quote 'I never asked for this, no more then I asked to be King. He used magic to kill Renly because Renly betrayed him and threatened to kill him with his bannermen whom he stole from Stannis. Murdering him with black magic saved bloodshed, and even then Stannis deeply regretted and grieved for Renly in his own way. The only thing I contest, and still do, as it was character assassination was the burning of shireen, which book nor show Stannis would ever do. He didn't even want to burn Gendry which is why he goes to the dungeons to talk to ser davos, which he mentions in the previous youtube clip. He then of course resorts to doing it when Rob Stark dies, but that's besides the point.

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Renly knew the throne belonged to Stannis. He stole his bannermen. He knew Stannis would declare this treason and said 'fuck you, and if you try anything, I'll kill you with my superior numbers'. The war was basically declared by Renly who would've thought nothing of killing Stannis. Stannis, as rightful king, had every right to do what he did. He didn't kill his kin bc of some petty squabble. Renly betrayed and threatened him. And my dude, Stannis still would've won and defeated the Lannisters even with the Tyrells, his numbers and superior navy assured that. It was Tyrion who saved the Lannister's asses with the wildfire. Stannis obeyed the laws of warfare, he had superior forces, knew the terrain, struck quick while the enemy was unprepared and unreinforced. It was literally Tyrion and the wildfire which BTFO Stannis fleet and reduced his numbers which allowed the Tyrells and Lannisters to stand a chance against them. Killing Renly was the right move, as Renly was even in talks with the other usurper Robb Stark, which would've KO'd any chance of Stannis getting the throne (which is rightly his). Stannis literally did nothing wrong

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read the autistic fan theories online, Stannis is setting up the Freys in the battle of the ice and will BTFO them. Still, sieging Winterfell during a blizzard is going to be tough as fuck. But if there is anybody in the bloody seven kingdoms who can do it, it's Stannis

>Killing Renly did nothing like that. If anything, it stabilized it more by removing an usurping contender.
>literally pushes Highgarden into the Lannisters' arms, fucking over not just Stannis but also Da Norf's campaign
Stannis is the reason why Game of Thrones even lasted as a story past the 3rd book/2nd season.

>hated
yeah i know, but he was tempted and did hire them in the show, again, this make him look more selfish and short-term-reward orientated by quickly forming another army to try attack a different part of Westeros, to eventually win the crown (this time with John Snow) [against this might now be in the book], now that he got BTFO'ed for not at least joining at least Rob Stark (which in terms would have led to a better relation between the North and the crown - sorta like Robert and Ned kind of situation)
He is seen time and time again, refusing honour and duty to try and achieve his goal as quickly as possible (the "quickness" is also not justified as him being agile and tactical, but instead being brash and unprepared)
>he doesnt want to burn Genry
he almost does and would have if it wasnt for Davos, he has moments of clarity where he realises that his ambitions are causing pain and suffering to the realm, but he still does them

sure, i can accept the possibility that he was being agile in his attacks and they where genuinely planned out, but got BTFO'ed by deus ex machina over-and-over.... sure
but ... he still is a DOG SHIT diplomat then, if he chose to forsake his native gods (could have been what broke the straw in terms of support of other Westerosy houses), kill his brother instead of literally anything else (like again, just not going to war with him and agree to non aggression packt or simply use diplomacy to postpone a war or have Renly side with him for a promise of ... fuck i dont know, maybe naming him his successor since Stannis cant father a boy)
Kinslaying isn't justified in this context, it seems like Stannis threw a tantrum before Renly even attacked and decided to kill him with magic, then, that make Stannis a coward and just goes back to the other idea that Stannis has a selfish and childish greed for the Crown and all power over Westeros

for me? it's androw farman
>Androw was described as comely at seventeen. Due to drinking heavily, he became puffy-faced, round-shouldered and fleshy by the age of twenty-two. He was a timid, unremarkable and uncertain man who could neither read nor write.
>Androw was a failed squire in his youth, possessing no skill at arms. Despite being raised on an island he couldn't swim nor sail a ship.
> Having no skill at arms he would remain abed while knights trained in the yard, he could neither read nor write, and though Androw could ride a horse passably well, trotting around the yard, he was too timid to leave the castle. He drank a great deal; men at Dragonstone paid him no mind; the ladies tittered about him behind his back; servants sometimes ignored his commands; children taunted him, the cruelest being his step-daughter Aerea Targaryen, who once threw the contents of a chamberpot over his head just because she was angry at her mother. When Rhaena dismissed Ser Merrell Bullock, Androw asked her to make him the new commander of the garrison in his place. She and her ladies burst out laughing at the request.[1]
>. Androw confessed to Rhaena in the Chamber of the Painted Table before jumping from the room's window, denying her revenge against him.

>loses
Yeah, literally

Magic is real in this world though

>yeah i know, but he was tempted and did hire them in the show, again, this make him look more selfish and short-term-reward orientated by quickly forming another army to try attack a different part of Westeros, to eventually win the crown (this time with John Snow) [against this might now be in the book], now that he got BTFO'ed for not at least joining at least Rob Stark (which in terms would have led to a better relation between the North and the crown - sorta like Robert and Ned kind of situation)

My dude, he hired them because he was completely massacred at blackwater bay. He attacked King's landing with 20000 men and by the end of it he was left with 4000. He hated having to resort to sellswords and it shows why he was on the fence with accepting melisandre's sacrifice of Gendry- as he was desperate and openly at war with the Lannisters, which were close to dragonstone- and every moment that passed his claim would be further denied. Both in the books AND in the show, Stannis heads north not because of some short sighted attempt, but because master Aemon of the night's watch sends a raven to him begging him for help as the wall is about to be attacked by wildlings (and the walker being seen). He's the ONLY one who headed up there. In the books, it's Davos who convinces him to go in the books, and in the show Davos tells him he'll need him up there and melisandre confirms that they should go north. '"Lord Seaworth ... reminded me of my duty, when all I could think of was my rights. I had the cart before the horse, Davos said. I was trying to win the throne to save the kingdom, when I should have been trying to save the kingdom to win the throne.'

he almost does and would have if it wasnt for Davos, he has moments of clarity where he realises that his ambitions are causing pain and suffering to the realm, but he still does them

He constantly acknowledges the sacrifice aspect of the burning of Gendry, and how it would be for the greater good. 1/2

>he still is a DOG SHIT diplomat then, if he chose to forsake his native gods (could have been what broke the straw in terms of support of other Westerosy houses), kill his brother instead of literally anything else (like again, just not going to war with him and agree to non aggression packt or simply use diplomacy to postpone a war or have Renly side with him for a promise of ... fuck i dont know, maybe naming him his successor since Stannis cant father a boy)

My dude, he didn't have to be a diplomat. A diplomat is required when there are situations that have high tension and require delicate resolving. Renly was literally a traitor and in open rebellion against him. Stannis DID OFFER RENLY THE CHANCE OF BEING NAMED HEIR, and his seat on the high council, despite his open treason. This LITERALLY happened in their parlay, you need to rewatch. Renly told him to fuck off and started making jokes at his expense. That was the answer for that gayboy.

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The moment Robert dies, and Stannis is the true heir, Robb Stark goes into open rebellion? this is treason. Catelyn Stark as seen in the clip, is still there supporting this, asking Renly for help instead of Stannis, further legitimizing Renly. It shoudl've been the northern houses and Rob Stark seeking Stannis to crush the Lannisters together, not the other way around. But Robb Stark was a little cuck who got peer pressured into rebelling by the other houses. ROBB KNOWS THIS AND EVEN DECLARED IT IN THE FIRST MINUTE OF THE FUCKING VIDEO.

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>Stannis threw a tantrum before Renly even attacked and decided to kill him with magic

As opposed for waiting for Renly to attack him with a superior force, slaughtering Stannis' forces and possibly getting killed? you're very selective with your supposed military strategy when it comes to Stannis.

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More like
>Wow, he is LITERALLY me

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a dumb who fucked an old fem

Renly was the younger, less intelligent and experienced one - so it should have naturally fell onto Stannis as the older brother to offer a peace and defuse a situation... which he fuck up and that resulted in the annihilation of house Baratheon (in the show, (gendry doesnt count) ), so this shows how inept Stannis was to deal with politics and diplomacy making him a shit ruler a priori with no tolerance for compromise and who is willing to kill his own me in the process (doesn't seem to be a strategic OR honourable action).

Stannis loses because he is a flawed hero, one that has no patience for diplomacy, one who gets BTFO'ed all the time despite being regarded as a brilliant war general /leader and is generally prone to idiotic decisions (most likely because of his selfish obsession with the iron throne, and yes its selfish, since he condemns his men to meaningless deaths because of it) .

Rob was in open rebellion against the C R O W N (not Stannis at the time) , Robert was obviously more then content with siding with Stannis and making Stannis king, in return for the promise of the North to become a separate - this is justified since the North has experienced so much betrayel from the Crown in the last century that its logical for them to go against the Crown (Specifically the Lannisters, Stannis was never an enemy), again, Stannis (if he had half a brain) would have defused the situation through basic diplomacy, Im sure Rob would have agreed to not be King in the North anymore aslong as the North was promised some sort of break - Rob would have accepted it 100% even if Stannis offered him nothing but justice for his father and told him the North should come back under the crown

>As opposed to waiting for renly to attack
Again, diplomacy nigger. Stannis lacked it and was incompetent leader so he had to kill his brother and remove the biggest ally he possibly could have had

>literally pushes Highgarden into the Lannisters' arms
That was Edmure who could have not attacked Tywin, so Tywin falls into Robb's trap.

>remove the biggest ally he possibly could have had
Not that guy but that's impossible. Renly was an opposing candidate with far more arms, popularity and more. Renly could never bend the knee to Stannis.

Im sure Stannis could have offered to become king for the last 5-10 years he has to live (he is pretty old guy) and he would name Renly as his successor after him since Stannis cannot father anymore children especially boys

Just anything thats not absolute retardation would have worked, Stannis was the older and mor experienced guy, but he failed to meet Renly half way because he is a shity diplomat and blinded for his greed over the iron throne , or simply he is an idiot

No, nothing could have. And Stannis is younger than Robert who was mid-late 30s or late 40s at best. Robert's rebellion was only about 20 years ago. Old age won't get Stannis for a long time. At the same time Shirleen would be named heir instead of Renly. Descendants, even daughters, get priority.

Renly was the idiot, feasting and having tournaments the entire time. With the combined Tyrell and majority of Baratheon forces, he'd easily steamroll King's Landing. He could have taken the throne long before anyone else.

Stannis offered to name Renly his heir until a son was born to him. What else was he supposed to offer him? What could he? It was Renly who violated proper succession, not Stannis.

>Stannis could have offered to become king for the last 5-10 years he has to live (he is pretty old guy)
>awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Stannis_Baratheon
>Born 264 AC
>awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/War_of_the_Five_Kings
>Date 298 AC - 300 AC
>Stannis is around 34-36

>keen mind for politics
This is explicitly untrue, you're actually delusional if you believe this. It's made clear that he is the exact opposite of this multiple times.

Actually, OP, THIS guy is LITERALLY me

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