Sprinters are always scarier than walkers. You'd last ages against walkers. Sprinters end your survival fast

not necessarily, i like action films, they just don't generally work in a post apocalyptic setting outside specific examples like mad max chase. sprinters in the dawn of the dead remake only worked in the opening scene where the apocalypse itself was underway, but again as an action film.

No one is scared of slow ass metaphors. You also can't compare a sprinter to a jump scare because it's nothing a like, you still get all the suspense you'd get hiding from slow moving zombies as you would from a sprinter but the steaks are now higher because when shit hits the fan it's flat out adrenaline and survival of the fittest

It keeps the pacing on the move if you're forced to relocate

romero zombies are only supposed to scare you like an eventual inevitability that you're staving off for the time being. Them being slow gives humanity ample time to screw things up for themselves. It's just a difference in focus, both types of movies have classic examples.

slow zombies don't have to be a metaphor. my favorite zombie film is day of the dead, where the zombies themselves didn't even provide much suspense, which instead came from the mentally deteriorating humans and their factional conflicts. the mundane horror of existing in such a setting.

yeah but bub was one of the characters in that movie

i have a hard time decoding that one, and i think it's probably because it had the most studio interference out of the original trilogy. It's hard to make sense of, and I think that a lot of the story might just be missing

>disregarding the absolute kino known as 28 Days Later just because Dawn Of The Dead Remake

Eat shit, Romero zombie films are fantastic but they aren't scary at all unless youre a soft child, 28 Days Later is absolutely filled with peak horror atmosphere and the complete switch up of them being a genuinely violent threat thanks to their speed was a breath of fresh air.

There are only a handful of great zombie films, and 28 Days is in the top 5 at the very least.

you need to bring back the horror of dead bodies
of death itself
the thing moving should be something obscene, unholy and vile
the scene in mulholland drive where she find her own dead body is fuckingg fantastic

That movie was fucking based

28 days later wasn't a zombie movie though. the people were "infected with rage" or some such bullshit. didn't the director even confirm as much?

good posts
most zombie movies made aren't even horror movies, they're action movies with zombie gimmicks
it's like fantasy, they're just generic movies with fantasy gimmicks

They are functionally zombies they are just fast, its an infection that spreads via blood/bites, the only difference is they dont fully decompose like dead bodies (but in weeks they do decompose over time)

The whole films is a zombie apocalypse just with a slight variation. "infected with rage" is just a term they used to describe it.

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Oh fuck off, lad, no one but you autists cares about the whole zombie/infected thing. Just drop it.

The only reason the distinction HAS to be made is because zombies EAT you. They tear you apart and fucking eat you alive. They want you as food. The things in 28 days later only want to kill you. Brutally and awfully, but once you look dead (or very quickly become one of them) they move on. The zombies stay. More come. They eat you down to your skeleton. That's horrifying.

Autism.

>The whole films is a zombie apocalypse just with a slight variation. "infected with rage" is just a term they used to describe it.
Seems like a cop out to me. "hey guize i'm re-inventing the genre!"

>Oh fuck off, lad, no one but you autists cares about the whole zombie/infected thing. Just drop it.
If the director and/or writer didn't make it as a zombie movie it's not a zombie movie.

Thus they're not zombies.

No they are not

>Autism.
Not an argument.

they never said we are reinventing the genre, they altered them to be fast and ultra violent.

i agree that they dont eat people but i would argue that eating people wasn't even a big thing after a while in the romero films and it wasnt in others. it was always the fact that what ever they kill, gets up and kills, and the cycle goes on, until the whole planet is consumed, along side the fact they are so indestructible

both 28 days and romero zombies have an insatiable and relentless desire to kill the living, what ever they kill joins their side, they both wipe out humanity in some way, they are almost indestructible unless you sever the head/destroy the brain, and the biggest factor of everything, REGARDLESS of every other factor, is the fact they were once human beings.

the two main differences between romero/boyle is the fact that romero zombies eat you, boyle zombies are far faster and they turn you within a minute or two. i would argue that the boyle zombies are scarier because of this, they are far far more dangerous.

The best zombies are the realistic kind where they have all the abilities of their human physique.

No teleporting, no walking skeletons, no superhuman strength, no zombies that can live on forever without eating. Just humans infected by a virus and behaves like aggressive zombies.

Sprinters if you want the zombies to feel like a real threat
Walkers if you want to focus on the relationships between the survivors and how the real threat comes from within

Just as this user has said it's a more realistic approach to zombies. It's the general consensus even if you and the director are autsitic about your sci-fi catagories

Based Christopher Eccleston would like a word with you

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>Walkers if you want to focus on the relationships between the survivors and how the real threat comes from within
You can easily have all that with sprinters
Walkerfags are in full cope mode

Slow zombies can only kill effectively when used as a jump scare, i.e. character doesn't hear him shuffle up behind, turns around, camera pans and Boo! Jump Scare.

Who cares about getting turned when you're technically dead? It's not really you (in most cases) so the factor of which is worse lies with how they kill you.
28 days later style infected
>beat the shit out of you with their fists or feet anything they can
>any blood or spit that gets into any of yours (which would be everywhere getting beaten) turns you within seconds
Fast or slow zombies
>claw at you with their hands and bite your flesh off for food increasing in speed when they get a taste
>bites generally take a few hours to turn you meaning you will be alive for every bite and rip until you are out of blood or braindead
I suppose in a lot of zombie movies they stop eating you once you are dead so you can come back as something but still

Been a long time since I watched this movie but how did the military, who are used to doing 8 month tours, go insane after 28 days?

The difference is that walkers are such a non-threat that it more or less forces the plot to create conflict between the survivors so it can somehow escalate into a more dangerous situtation - either someone has to fuck up tremendously or betray the others in a walker scenario. Sprinters make everyday activities like scavenging for supplies dangerous - they make the survivors the hunted ones, with walkers the survivors always have the upper hand but generally don't bother killing the zombies because there's just too many of them.

They thought they had a home to go back to during those 8 month tours. They didn't think the world had ended and they were possibly the last people alive.

Fast zombies are the only real constant threat that would keep people on constant edge. Absolutely loved the dawn of the dead remake and 28 days later. But there's so much more potential zombies have that no modern zombie movie has tapped into. It is literally demons possessing dead bodies and committing affronts.
>When there's no more room in Hell the dead will walk the earth.

>Walkers if you want to focus on the relationships between the survivors and how the real threat comes from within
Wrong and boring. Survivor drama is what every single zombie movie turns into because no one knows how to handle zombies properly. Most zombies movies could be regular virus or ecological disasters. No one ever actually focuses on the psychological horror of having to deal with things that are walking contradictions of logic. In 28 Days Later we were dealing with sick people, violent killers, but they were just sick with a virus. Zombies are walking corpses and that's something that isn't supposed to be. When you're dead you stop moving, forever, and zombies spit in the face of accepted notions of reality. If a virus can make a corpse walk around, what else can exist that we believed couldn't?

Survivor drama that exists solely because of the external, unnatural threat seems very rare indeed. Having to deal with a horde of 2000 rotting corpses coming closer and closer, never stopping, always adding to their ranks, a wall of teeth, a moving meat grinder, that would fuck you up. The sound of them on the breeze, the stink of rotting flesh getting stronger by the day, the sheer fucking number of them that still look a little like people enveloping your little compound and it doesn't matter how fast you are or how many guns you have, there are so many of them you will not conceivably destroy them all.

I like the Crossed take on smart infected, completely brutal and violent and retarded, but some of them capable of forming hierarchies, structures, and even planning for their self-preservation.

I think you can get some horror fucking shit from infected that disguise themselves to live in human communities, infected that lock themselves into bunkers so they can come out decades later to infect everything again and infected that keep their victims alive to get more torture fun out of them.

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its the realization that its all over. They were charged with defending their country against this threat and they watched everything fall apart, they lost contact with their commanding officers, there was no command, no government, no people left and they were trapped and with 0 hope. For all they know the whole world is gone, thats enough to turn anyone insane.

>Sprinters are always scarier than walkers

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Watch [REC]

also, they didnt really go insane, they just lost their normal morals because for as far as they knew, society had collapsed, and they now had women to restart society. the ends justify the means.

Let's be honest, Walkerfags have just been completely and irredeemably BLOWN the fuck OUT by sprinterfags this entire thread lmao

Yeah, really spoils the gritty realism of UNDEAD CORPSES coming to life and eating people.

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sprinters = biological monster creates biological/reptilian fight-or-flight response (horror/sci-fi flick)
walkers = existential terror: supernatural threat from Hell (eschatological fable)

No wonder zoomers like sprinters: they have no souls and can't understant the deep chore of the "walkers" myth; they are already doomed.

You're right. There was no voodoo involved. No voodoo = no zombies. Night of the Living Dead, for example, isn't a zombie movie, because there's no voodoo.

Watch Pontypool if you haven't seen it. One of the few "zombie" films that actually tries something different.

REC2 is about sprinter demon zombies

>In 28 Days Later we were dealing with sick people, violent killers, but they were just sick with a virus. Zombies are walking corpses and that's something that isn't supposed to be.
You're reading way too much into that. They're zombies, plain and simple, the whole virus thing is just a modern fad because it appeals more to modern audiences than 'inexplicable voodoo curse that causes the dead to rise again'.

Would make a pretty interesting film to be fair with you, my IQ deficient nigger boy.

Yes but then the believability of surviving goes right out the window. Everyone would be dead against sprinters.

See

Depends on the circumstances like how fast the initial outbreak spread, how much time people had to prepare, where and how they live etc. Sprinters are still retarded zombies so if you manage to fortify a position you should be cool, the only problem is venturing out for supplies.

nah, in the first dead movie they did a good job of corralling the characters into an untenable situation and having the danger act of that. im sure there were jump scares but zombies can be slow and work for a narrative without them. runners have a similar trap anyway, the temptation for run-and-gun scenes is usually too great to resist.

how about some random joe getting trapped in an apartment block
with dead bodies everywhere walking around
he tries getting out noisily first and the whole floor is starting to shamble and banging on the doors, breaking shit down and so on. Things like fumbling with locks, trying to avoid detection and confrontation since YOU DONT KNOW if the dead bodies are "alive" or not. You'd be fucking terrified if you were a normie asshole. Most zombie movies make everyone a badass that can cave in successive skulls with a crowbar or something. Most people absolutely can't.

I'm really not. Infection/medical horror and perversion of the familiar can overlap, but not always.

Sprinters shift the tone of a zombie movie so dramatically that it loses its essence as a zombie movie. Bands of rugged, OP survivors acting as self-inserts for young, angsty Americans can't survive in a sprinter world. If you try to make the characters strong enough to withstand sprinters, it causes you to lose your sense of disbelief and stop caring.

In a zombie show, rather than a movie, the tension fo the zombies will run thin anyway quite rapidly as soon as your audience figures out that it's almost season 3 and the zombies still haven't come close to winning. You need to rely on human villains to drive the tension, which requires the zombies taking a back-seat. Sprinter zombies suck at taking a back seat.

>TFW this is still the best piece of sprinter/runner zombie kino to ever be made

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Dawn of the Dead is the only zombie movie that actually made me feel afraid because of the situation. The pressure you feel because of the runners is something unprecedented before this. 28 days later didn't have this atmosphere and slow zombies don't have this feeling at all. Merely being nuisances instead of genuine threats.

The entire scene of her escaping out of the bathroom only to see the entire world in flames is absolute kino and I bet everyone that saw that movie around when it came out have that scene and impact burned in their memories for how memorable and unique it was for horror movies up until that point.

Sure, that sounds fine if you want to focus your movie on how an average Joe would react and how he'd feel in a scenario like that.
28 days later are zombies, they're not just sick/violent killers infected with a virus. They're zombies with a more modern explanation behind them.

This is such a zoomer fucking post. 28 Days Later is by far and large one of the bleakest, grimiest, most atmospheric zombie films ever made and it has runners. You genuinely don't understand the horror of walkers.

I'm in my thirties. There's only 3 years difference between the two movies 2001 and 2004. I doubt zoomers would have seen a horror movie released in 2004 considering they were infants at that time.

They're zombies in essence, but not in execution. 28 Days Later comes from a post AIDS, SARS/Mad Cow era.

yeah, i guess i'm tired of people getting their shit together after the initial scare.
world war z comes to mind as absolutely shit in that regard. In every regard as a matter of fact

dawn of the dead remake is zoomers first zombie film, is subpar garbage thats only enjoyable as a casual flick to laugh at, 28 days is far superior. imagine being in your 30's and thinking its good lmao

You're in your thirties and think the Dawn of the Dead remake was somehow a landmark film in the horror genre? Jeez louise.

And what was the scare behind Romero zombies, a rise in voodoo practioners or recent demonic possessions?

I saw 28 days later before dawn of the dead. And dawn of the dead is by far the superior film. The atmosphere is a lot more tense and claustrophobic.

28 days later is more of an adventure movie and the second half about the military post is just straight up boring.

Where is my zombie movie that goes extensively over the downfall as the infection is killing off and reviving the first groups of people? The Snyder remake was cool in the start with how everything was fucking up. The Walking Dead spinoff was okay as well for the first few parts before it just became more of the same.

Yeah the first two seasons of "Fear the walking dead" are better than anything the normal walking dead shat out because it actually started as a normal society and they show a very slow decline of society and it takes 2 seasons before civilization collapses.

I also want to see more movies/series about societal collapse that actually showcase the stages of it happening.

One I can recommend although it's a nuclear holocaust scenario is "threads" as that is also about the slow decline of civilization where everything starts normal and you get to know the main characters before anything happens.

C'mon... Crossed is just edgelord guro porn.

imagine being this braindead

Cold war angst, the loss of community, fear of the other, distrust of government etc.

read The Thin Red Line, The Fatal Englishman and 100.

The first 10 minutes of Snyder's Dawn of the Dead is outstanding.
The rest is meh.

fear of the working class most of all

What's the point in even having zombies if they're not the main threat?

I don't think you actually saw 28 Days Later

Are corpses not walking around scary enough for kids these days? I guess not, what with trannies parading around their mutilated genitals for the world to see.

Anyone here seen Savageland?

Sitting in a theater watching a movie with extras in pale make-up walking forward with their arms stretched out while grunting "brainsssss" is not scary, no.

The threat of slow zombies are suppose to be that theres overwhelming numbers of them. You kill one and there's 30 more. You're running out of ammo, you're surrounded, and they can grab you if you try to escape

The first 10 minutes are the woman working in a hospital teasing people and her driving home while listening to the radio. The daughter biting her husband and her seeing the devastated world is the first 30 minutes.

Dawn of the Dead is divisive because it has both excellent parts and utterly shit parts. There's no reason to judge it against 28 days later. I'm a big fan of 28 DL but they are entirely different movies, with entirely different tones and styles.

In reality as shown in the walking dead everyone just gets bored of them. Even in-universe the characters basically sigh and then stab the walkers while being extremely bored. It's more like swatting a mosquito at that point.

WHEN THE MAN COMES AROUND

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Kino

The excellent parts are modern classics now though. It's like the shower curtain scene from "psycho" or the sound effect from Jaws. Everyone knows it. Dawn of the Dead has the little protagonist come outside of her bathroom and see a neighbor getting run over by an ambulance while the city is on fire.

28 Days later had Sprinters and it worked because their “Zombies” were just people infected with the “Virus that causes rage”. Remember? It started in that lab where they were experimenting with monkeys.

Unfortunately other movies tried to make living Dead Zombies Sprinters even though it made no sense.

Dawn of the Dead
>Zombie daughter biting her father
>Husband running after protagonist's car and then suddenly going left when he sees the neighbor
>gunshop owner showing the bloodied message
>top-down scene where an explosion causes large amounts of zombies to fall like dominoes
>Post credit scene showing they were fucked either way

28 days later:
>Waking up in a hospital in a desolate world
>Entering a Church only to find out there are people there that start screaming and chasing
>infected guy immediately gets chopped up with a machete by his girlfriend while still alive and sane
>1 drop of blood falls into girl's father's eye and he immediately starts raging
>Naked female zombies at the military post

These are all the most memorable scenes from both movies. To be honest those from dawn of the dead stand out way more.

This. 28 Days was legitimately the only "zombie" franchise where the creatures were medically feasible, precisely because they were just people. You could kill them easily, or you could just hide and they'd starve to death. Sprinting made sense because it's the only way the virus would spread. If they were slow zombies they'd just be killed off by local cops.

Meanwhile in every other franchise, actual undead zombies would bloat and rot, becoming immobile piles of disease within a few days. No one has gone the route yet, where people try to just wait out the zombies only to realize they're going to start dying from typhus and other shit.

I can't take 28 days later and 28 weeks later seriously anymore because the music was used in every conspiracy theory video of the early 2000s youtube.

The walking dead treats its characters as super heroes in an rpg complete with their own signature weapons - cowboy sheriff with a revolver, crossbow-wielding tracker, ronin with katana, monk with bamboo stick.

Both movies are fine girls.

>military is somehow overrun
>no one ever just sits in a tank and runs them over or just nukes the major zombie concentrated area

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Fucking hell

suffers heavily from the quick-cut shaky cam that was trendy at the time desu

>28 days layer
Incels and anglos
>Dawn of the Dead
Chads and normalfags

>defending a fucking zombie movie remake this hard

Nukes would probably be a bad idea to deal with your zombie outbreak. The fallout would make the area even more inhospitable to humans, meanwhile zombies don't give a shit about radiation, and now you've got glowing ones, which are a lot tougher to kill.

We’re not talking about fallout ghouls

You guys do realize they literally aren't dead right? They are alive people infected with the Rage virus, you can kill them ez and they stay down... How can you call it a zombie movie?

Buddy you know radiation can destroy to machines, right? Strong enough radiation will do the same damage to zombies as it will to humans, it'll fuck up your DNA, cook you, cause tissue to break down and fall apart. They wouldn't suffer radiation sickness like a living person, but they sure as shit wouldn't be invincible to it.

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Sprinters are a crutch and miss the point of a zombie movie entirely.

The individuals aren't intended to be scary rather the film should eventually hit home of just the sheer insanity of the situation and the overall hopelessness of long term survival.

Depends on the type of zombie, but for Romero style zombies yeah, it would be a terrible idea. In that scenario, anyone who dies for any reason resurrects. The nuclear fireball would incinerate almost all the zombies in the immediate killzone, sure, but the blastwave would kill a ton of people in the wider area, probably even more than there were zombies in the killzone, and these blastwave casualties would then resurrect. Then the fallout would fall and the zombies shuffling out would carry the fallout however far they could walk, and the radiation poisoning from that would kill more people in a widening circle, multiplying the numbers of the living dead many times over in the long term.

It was okay up until it flies off the rails in the third act.

Depends on your definition of what a zombie is. Both are essentially beings programmed to follow a single goal; flesh/feeding or exhibit rage and violence and both do not stop until set goal is met before moving on in a loop. The rage virus enables all characteristics of the mythical zombie but instead of being orginated from voodoo and magic it has been adjusted to fit the modern setting which is viruses and disease. It comes down to magic vs non magic essentially.

Then sitting in a tank and running them over is a bad idea too?

>dead people endlessly rising from the grave and eating everybody isn't insane and the situation isn't hopeless if they can run
Are you retarded?

Their cells aren't alive in the first place. Damaged DNA doesn't matter to them. They wouldn't care about radiation poisoning. You'd need radiation strong enough that would be the kind that instakills normal humans. Even the levels that just instantly blind people (while poisoning them), the zombies wouldn't care about being blind.

Actually no, they showed the first 10 minutes as a promotion and until she passes out in the ambulance it's about 10 minutes.

You read wrong. In the OP's pic it's literally only a thing because 'hurrr we gotta run for a boat!'. It's also where the entire thing falls apart.

>it'll fuck up your DNA
They're dead. Their cells no longer reproduce or repair themselves, so you don't need DNA anymore.
The reason your tissues break down and fall apart is because the radiation kills the DNA in the cells, which prevents them from performing cell division.
The damage is felt first in the cells that have the highest rate of replication, and last in the cells with the lowest.
So your stomach lining, mucus membranes, skin, all roll over very fast, and so they tend to fall apart first.
Things like your cardiac and nervous tissue replace themselves very very slowly or not at all. This is why ARS is so nasty because even though your body is falling apart, the brain and the circulatory system are the last things to go, which means you get to maximum suffering.
Instead you'd just have zombies that are radioactive, which means now they don't even need to get to you to hurt you.

You posted wrong. If what you meant to say was OP's movie was shit, you should have said that. Instead you made a statement about runners in general and proved yourself retarded.

But if you have a MG you can destroy waves of infected, but just slow down waves of zombies. The difference is in the execution, figuratively and literally.

It's exhibit a for why sprinters are a crutch but you're too dead set on being on some argumentative dipshit.

The radiation from a modern nuclear warhead would still cook shit, no?

all zombies are dumb. they need brains

They were not zombies, they could die of starvation and zombies are just undead people who can't die unless you destroy them.

You made a retarded argument. You got called a retard. Deal with it, bitch.

>everybody talking about the nukes but noone mentions the tanks
Just have a bunch of tanks roll around driving over every zombie. What are they gonna do, bite through it?

Ever watched the footage from the Waco siege? They ran a tank through the walls of the compound, but one of the cultists got caught in the right tread and that immobilized the tank. They had to send in a recovery vehicle to haul the tank out. So it really depends on the size of the tank. I think modern main battle tanks can chew through corpses getting caught in the treads, but I don't really know. Tanks can also be immobilized in a lot of other ways, like by getting high-centered on highway dividers or running into basements. That's why tanks are usually deployed with infantry who can serve as spotters. Tanks also make a lot of noise, which would attract huge hordes of zombies, and even if you cleared out the ones in the open, the neighborhood wouldn't really be clear because of zombies trapped in houses or basements or wherever. More importantly, it depends on if you have access to fuel, maintenance facilities, and recovery vehicles. Without those things, using a tank against zombies would basically just be rolling out your own tomb into the a sea of the undead.

Screenshot from 10 minutes exactly. She's already driving away from her house.

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Yes, thanks for repeating my post with different words. Does polly want a cracker now?

I liked the 04 dawn and honestly wish it had gotten a sequel. Or at least the opening of the world going to hell had been longer.

The extra 30 min news cast video they made for the DVD/Bluray was absolutely kino and I really want to see a full budget movie of it. Do the 24-48 hours news cast that starts off normally and then jumps forward as the infection spreads and things get more dire.

And why do they only slow down? Cause magic that's why.

Yeah just destroy entire city and contanminate it with radiation so it cant be rebuild. Tanks are useless too. Since when undead use armor or AT weapons to counter them with tanks? Zombies are massive horde. APCs IFVs with machineguns, autocannons and a LOT of ammunition. Artillery, aviation with cluster bombs to cover large open areas. Thats how deal with them

No, do you recommend it?

Zombies in movies tv and games got retarded real quick. A corpse would only last for like 3 months tops before its completely rotten/picked to hell by animals and environment. Most media give them a “1 do the head they’re dead” but that makes no sense. Why would shooting the part of the brain that controls speech affect them? Why doesn’t anyone ever use Spears? Instead they try to stab with knives.

some of them can run like when they rush the paramedics

The heatwave cooks everything, yeah. Besides your skin melting and burning away, the radiation from the heatwave radiation doesn't fully penetrate your body, and mostly just makes you blind if you're looking at it, though. Fallout, the stuff that rains from the sky as black rain or little dust motes, is the really nasty, long-lasting radiation that can spread around. There are specialist types of warheads designed to be even dirtier. Also neutron bombs. No idea how neutron bombs would fare against the undead since they mostly just operate by giving a huge dose of radiation without as big of a heatwave or any fallout. I think they'd just kill living people.

I think if nukes were deployed against zombies, they'd be tactical nukes against the hearts of large hordes to thin out the numbers and save on ammunition before a conventional mopup operation by soldiers in NBC gear followed up by quarantine and cleanup of the area, to minimize the blastwaves and fallout killing more people that strategic nukes would entail.

Sprinting has serious metabolic costs. The zombies would need to be eating a lot of calories to do sustained sprinting. Work requires energy, even for the undead. Slow zombies are a lot more realistic.

>watching poltergeist for the first time in 15 years
>this guy shows up

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Sprinters have to be something other than the typical zombie to continue to be a threat past the initial week or two of the outbreak, i do agree with this. Something I am Legend got right i suppose.

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Closest thing is whole film takes place in a local radio station.

Sprinter zombies are the best type of zombies

The undead inherently violate the second law of thermodynamics, so scientifically speaking they're impossible. The most scientific explanation for undead zombies is the Zombie Survival Guide, and it says that the ultimate metabolic energy source of the zombies is a mystery. Undead zombies are basically just fantasy however fast they move.

Several weeks would be enough to completely destroy society if large part of that society suddenly turns into undead monsters

ZOMBIES ARE A SHIT HORROR CONCEPT UNLESS YOU ACCEPT THEY OPERATE BY MAGIC

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Fast zombies expire faster

what is about zombies that really brings out the realism autists? You don't see this type of thing very often when discussing draculas or werewolves.

Actually really pissed me off in the walking dead where rick hides in a fully operational tank in the first few episodes and doesn't even try to see if he can figure out how to drive it.

Does it really though? There are loads of buildings that you could secure in a random city.

Right but were talking from a movie standpoint on how to keep them a relevant threat if you intend on dealing with survivors and not just the initial outbreak.

I think it's just because zombies are more popular today. Back in the day I remember people complaining how hadn't vampires taken over the world yet or how werewolves increased in size during their transformations without eating anything.

>You don't see this type of thing very often when discussing draculas or werewolves.
I don't know, plenty of not muh draculas fags in every vampire franchise.

Did the tank crew mysteriously die? No? Ok then still has a turret to work with and cannons

Because there are very real things than can theoretically turn human into fast zombie. Not so fast as its portrayed of course

>meddle with tank
>turns out it’s not functional
>spend a few excruciating days in a sauna surrounded by 200k zombies and dying of dehydration

That said, how come the military doesn’t just nuke shit. Underground “secret” bases and the like in China / US /Russia etc would never get overrun

i dont know, part of the appeal of day of the dead is the ever present threat of a horde of zombies never ceasing their attacks on their fence to get in

>still has a turret to work with and cannons
Limited ammunition specifically designed to pierce armor, and aren't really anti personnel platforms.
There's also a minimum range for a tank's main gun. If you're surrounded or overrun you're not going to get much help from that.

if it walks like a duck..

based

It's documentary style, I highly recommend it.

>vampires taken over the world
I feel like this an underutilized concept, I think I know two movies that do this

Then sit tight. Zombies can’t enter a tank unless the hatches are open. IFVs and Armored vehicles will catch up

One is Daybreakers. Second?

Such a pleb opinion. Walkers represent the inexorability of rot and death. It's far more troubling than just 'will they escape' because you can outrun them but the point is there's nowhere to escape to. It replaced thematic meaning with cheap adrenaline.

youtu.be/ly7Laj8Yp6w

It was indeed awesome. Supposedly done only on a budget of a few thousand. I'd also like a found footage type film that skips ahead every so often and you can see how things deteriorate until the news goes off the air.

>humans are the real monsters
ugh shut the fuck up with this overly done hack shit

Rather use these ifvs that trapping yourself into immobile coffin

Half the time they're a vampire illuminati that makes sure they remain a secret because it's easier to have a planet full of human cattle that don't know any better.

Wouldn't vampires taking over ultimately lead to a dead end? Vampires need humans as a food source.

not him but they arent zombies. they arent reanimated corpses they're just humans infected with a rabies-like virus. its not autism to point this out. it is autism to not understand the difference tho

I was going to say Stake Land but it's not really the same because I don't think the vampires are organized. At least I don't remember them being.

With team work you could open the hatch shoot some zombies, when you're swarmed have the other tanks do that. I mean, destroying a zombie herd must be the easiest thing in the world for an modern army. We literally trained ourselves to be as effective as possible at murdering other humans, but now they are stupid and won't carry weapons.

Eh, tanks only carry so much ammo. The cannon shells are big so they only carry a couple dozen shots in there (like 30) and they're an absolute bitch to load. You'd still have to return to some kind of secure base to reload eventually. Modern tanks are set up to take out other tanks as well as infantry, so all the stuff for taking out other tanks is somewhat useless. If you could replaced all the armor-piercing shells with anti-infantry shots, you'd have a full 30 or so shells to fire before you ran out, and could take out a huge horde with that, but it would sort of be overkill. The ammo for the machine guns also wouldn't last forever, and would also be overkill. These weapons are more geared for taking out entire fortified positions or suppressing fire rather than taking out crowds of unthinking zombies (which you can only take out with headshots and that survive any other kind of wound) that if you had time you'd better deal with small arms. Tank weapons seem kind of inefficient given the enemy. If they couldn't climb up on the tank and time was no concern, you'd probably do better to just load up the tank with magazines and drive out to the middle of the horde and spend the day headshotting them with a rifle, then drive back to base. Depends on how much ammo and patience you have and whatnot.

So then what have you accomplished besides becoming a liability and a resource drain on more effective units?
Personally I'd go with some industrial farm equipment, like a thresher or combine if I was looking for a zombie killing machine.

Zombies are living bodies possessed by a spirit under the control of a voodoo witch doctor. Reanimated corpses aren't zombies.

zombies are still the real monsters in day, but it shows humans losing their grip on reality too
it was the first zombie flick to focus on that and remains the best. dismissing it because of poor imitations is retarded

It really depends on the nature of the zombies and the stage of the outbreak. If 99% of people have been converted to zombies and the military isn't in any state anymore to supply a tank with ammunition and fuel and external support then it's just a coffin. If the outbreak is small and logistics are in place then a tank would be very useful.

It is easier, for sure, but I think it's kind of interesting when they're overt about it. Just seems like something that's not explored all too often.
It could but maybe they could find a way to balance it through selective breeding of humans? There's got to be a way.

Zombie movies need to shift focus from post apocalypse fantasy to more of a disaster movie style. It's far more scary to watch a realistic slow break down then fuck around in a wasteland again.

youtube.com/watch?v=C5kg0rZMSTs

What the fuck movie is this? Is that the girl from the orphan?

You're implying that fantasy or horror or whatever can't have internal logic that compliments it's unrealistic main element

I'd say that's the fault of the show making them too weak. I really do hate to reveal I was once a weeb but there was a show I watched called High School of the Dead that had them be really strong which made them a threat.

There are plenty of other monsters that will run you down and eat you, animals in real life do that shit. The horror of zombie films come from the uncanny valley effect that gets lost when you turn zombies into monsters. Zombies are the horror of a crowd of people slowly cornering you and pulling you apart, not even eating you necessarily.

Just compare old school zombies compared to newer takes on the concept, you;ll notice that ramero-era zombies had clearly human eyes that you connect with as human, not a monster.

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Dude. Army engineer corps take the engine of a tank and strap it to some shitty sheet metal. Now you have room inside, fill it with marines with rifles. They shoot out of tiny holes.
Now put a bulldozer blade on the front, weld spikes on it.
Put an auto cannon in a turret.
Boom.

AA vehicles could seriously mop up hordes fast

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Fast zombies or infected living humans will always be the best. Romero's zombies are cool though. Walking Dead fucked it all up by making walking zombies a joke.

those fuckers are basically jogging the entire movie, except tarman

The US military has had roughly 5000 M2 Bradleys built for it since it was designed. Hundreds of those were exported, and hundreds were lost to mechnical problems or in combat. Bradleys have a standard loadout of 2200 rounds for their MGs. If you assume a very high kill rate, far above normal, you could say it could kill a zombie in two shots, or 1100 zombies for each Bradley.

If every M2 Bradley ever built lined up and fired all their ammo into a horde of zombies, assuming 100% consistent and high kill rates, they could kill 5.5 million zombies before being out of ammo, and presumably unable to resupply. It would still just put a dent in the zombie numbers.

The zombies need nothing to survive, the Bradleys need fuel, maintenance, munitiions, the crews need food, sleep, water, and hygiene. Zombies can go anywhere, Bradleys fare very poorly in tight enclosed environments.

Don’t forget the thousands of knives and metal rods welded to the front as they’re charging down a highway 10 inches apart. Also don’t forget the clean up crews and the gents escorting them out.
Any bigger numbers and howitzers, white phosphorus and mlrs vehicles are used.
You think zombies can shrug off c4, mines, cluster bombs, improvised bombs and flame weapons? what about massive ditches, criss crossing trenches filled with gasoline, napalm traps and so on?
Give the engineer units some credit, things like zombie hordes are something they should salivate over.

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Yes, because the full strength of the US Army could not only mobilize but deploy Stateside and set up an intricate line of trenchworks and defenses all within the span of a day without getting swarmed from all sides by sprinting zombies, assuming their COs haven't already turned and can even give them orders.

There's The Strain TV show and maybe Blade but the vampires in Blade are like the Illuminati

Romero era zombies looked like that because all he could afford was a little black make-up around their eyes and white face paint.
His later movies you can tell they devolve further into more monstrous creatures, like in land of the dead; due to better make-up budget

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Military bases usually outside of cities so there wont be suddenly hordes of zombies out of nowhere. And if outbreaks isnt happening all over the place unaffected regions will have time to prepare

Where would all those zombies come from ? Do you assume people would get turned simultaneously?
Most works usually allow for a period of unrest and slow but steady infection that suddenly explodes.
The army has bases located far from population centers.
Securing those bases and defending them is easy.
Killing zombies is easy, and is easier if you let go of conventional tactics.
Bulldozers exist, bombs in great quantity exist.

ok so the only zombie movie in existence is the serpent and the rainbow? stfu you know full well what point im trying to make

>infected that disguise themselves to live in human communities, infected that lock themselves into bunkers so they can come out decades later to infect everything again
That happens in the comic?

I like the way The Walking Dead handled the virus, everyone is infected but if you die the infection kicks in, that makes more sense than zombie literally injects you zombie poison and you are now a gay zombie

Also this made me question if you are bitten by a fresh zombie can you make it out if you stop the bleeding and clean it like a normal persons bite? Because if a literal corpse bites you that shit will get a serious infection

It's a terrible movie called Cell.

A lot of media depicts them as having skulls made out of eggshells.

I seriously wanted to see how that would end, I actually cared about the plot (lowercase).

Tanks require a lot of support to function and wouldn't be especially effective against zombies in a long term sense. Main battle tanks are made to fight other tanks, not large amounts of unarmed soft targets.
>requires tons of fuel and maintenance
>limited ammunition
>most tank rounds would over penetrate and kill only a few zombies
>doesn't have enough storage for long term survival of the crew (food & water)
Sure you could take one into the city and kill probably thousands of zombies, but eventually it'll break down or run out of fuel/ammo/water for crew and then someone has to get out to deal with those problems

I was being sarcastic to show you your error.

Your point is invalid because there's no such thing as "real zombies." Zombies are fictional, and if you actually want to be pedantic and insist on an absolutely exclusive hypercorrect definition, then real zombies would be voodoo zombies, not reanimated corpses or living infected, whether fast or slow. People who insist on Romero zombies being the only "real zombies" and argue that fast or infected zombies aren't "real zombies" completely ignore that Romero zombies have almost nothing in common with the Haitian folklore zombies, which actually are the closest thing to "real zombies" because they're the original and come from authentic folk beliefs. Of course I personally consider them all zombies, but I'm making a rhetorical point. Loosen up.

>lol fielname

Also you should note that voodoo zombies have a long history in cinema going back to the 1930s. The Serpent and the Rainbow, the nonfiction book the movie was based on, actually delves into how in Haiti zombism is a "culture bound" medical condition, a form of dissociative identity disorder triggered by the use of drugs and reinforced by religious belief. That's the closest you'll get the real life zombies.

That happens in Crossed, yeah.

I prefer slow zombies, then a quick lurch or fast run all of a sudden when they are near. A lot more horror prone then being chased by a gang of rapists.

Savageland was excellent. Genuinely unnerving

but the point i was making is that the infected in 28 days later are neither zombies in the traditional since nor are they romero "zombies" imo. they're just humans infected with a rabies-like virus. that's all i meant.

I read somewhere that was the original plan for the DotD remake. They'd be fast when freshly dead, and start to slow down as they decomposed. There would have been a mix of the two towards the end of the film. Apparently the idea was axed because of budget reasons, to keep makeup effects down to a minimum cost.

>tfw when you will never have a crossed gf who wears a crown made of severed dicks

Dead Space's lore, even with the somewhat retarded Brethren Moon cosmic horror shit, is still the best zombie fiction.
Dead Space 1 was horror vidya kino

retard missed a 1 foot jump into the boat lmao

he probably still watches walking dead

Dead Space 1 is among my top favorite vidya of all time. I adore that game. Definitely top tier zombie lore

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It happens in the future one. I forgot the name of that future arc comic. Also, it’s a tough read; the creator makes a future language where humanity has pretty much lost our written word and verbally devolved, this is important because it hurts to read, like reading a novel written by a kindergartner.
And that user left out the part about non-infected turning into a bunch of gay, hippie, Muslims(not kidding)

how dare you

>>gunshop owner showing the bloodied message
>>Entering a Church only to find out there are people there that start screaming and chasing
these got me good

Funny thing is the Pentagon has admitted they already have a plan if a zombie outbreak ever happened.

What makes cosmic horror retarded? What's a good example of cosmic horror not being retarded?

>you can kill them ez and they stay down
EZ? How? With all the guns? The more you shoot, the more infected you attract. Melee weapons won't work when they outnumber you. You would get knocked to the ground and beaten to the death. And if a single drop of saliva or blood touches your mouth, nose, eyes, or wound, you become an infected like them.

Don't run - climb

I just meant in the way Dead Space 3 hurriedly introduces it to the forefront of the story, while also having Isaac surf down mountains blowing up ships, not cosmic horror as a concept.

It's even used in game trailers
youtube.com/watch?v=fbbqlvuovQ0

The zombie anime Highschool of the Dead also played a remix of it youtube.com/watch?v=_LMPCd6H0Rw

I think they are zombies in a loose sense of the term. Zombies aren't defined by voodoo or viruses, undead or living, flesh-eating or homicide, walking or running, mindlessness or intelligence, solo or contagiousness, etc. These are all just incidentals, secondary optional features, like modules you can stick onto a core concept. I think the core of the zombie idea is possession, of the human body (dead or alive) if not also the mind, either by an outside force or by something like instinct. That's a very loose definition, and doesn't really distinguish zombies from certain other concepts (like demoniacs or sleepwalkers or ideologues), but it's the only thing that really encapsulates all the creatures that have that certain essence of a zombie in media and folklore that causes people to label them zombies regardless of their (lack of) similarity to the Haitian folklore. I think zombies are merely a particular expression of a deeper possession archetype, or maybe a combination of such an archetype with another.

>Zombies
>Vampires

Werewolves are superior.

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Nobody is scared of slow zombies because you'd have to be a drooling retard to die to one.

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Climb and get stuck with no way to get down to fetch supplies? Leading to starvation?

what is it

don't climb, dig
after punching some trees

yiff in hell furfag

defend Israel

kek

Rope ladders
alternatively, you could very easily build gardens and raise animals on the roofs of buildings

of course the best and most simple defense would be to go back to medieval solutions - moats and drawbridges

Nice reddit thread you got there

For all the tank anons, they did exactly this is the last resident evil, and yea super effective

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stop dogwhistling for the soi horror image

lmao

t. phoneposter

fair point user. ive never really thought about it like this.

once the body is dead they shouldn't move at all if you understand how muscles and respiration works.

I like the idea of a virus that makes people zombie like and unable to feel pain. But coming back from the dead is pure fantasy so all bets are off on what's realistic.

I agree. Ghouls can and should be fast. Zombies by definition are slow lumbering things

This is why magic / necromancy zombies are the best. An endless horde of soldiers that only grows with each battle.
>Army of Darkness
>WCIII: Frozen Throne - WoW: Wrath of the Lich King
>GoT's extremely disappointing whitewalker climax
Any more necromantic kino?

>draculas
based infantilism

>Sprinters only make sense if they're very freshly dead, once rigor mortis and decomposition kick in, they're walkers.

There can be opposite of that. I`ve read a book where zombies are slow after "rebirth". Then they mutate after consuming human meat (not zombie dead meat, and all not headshot dead humans become zombies). So they become faster, stronger and smarter. After few bodies they can become huge agile monsters, very hard to kill.

I want to see someone use a tank with a mine disposal flail against a horde.

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Return of the Living Dead and Zombi kinda

>survivors need to get from Point A to Point B to get a mcguffin
>between Point A and Point B is a city that's been completely turned
>every building, nook and cranny will be fully loaded with undead
>they constantly chase survivors, never tiring, never needing a rest
>survivors need to keep moving to avoid being overrun or cut off

Lower turret as far as it'll go and start spinning. You'll clock a bunch of the taller ones in the head and the mass of the cannon itself should be enough to crack if not crush a zombie head on impact. Then just spin in circles on your treads to turn everything else to mush.

Cope

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Underworld?

This is what happened in Z Nation. They used nukes to blow up major cities. The radiation then twisted zombies so there were walkers, joggers, runners, unkillable without utter destruction of the head ones (ie several shots didn't take them down in the head) and later on there we zombies that were on the edge of humanity and could be maintained 'human' via eating lithium. Bad guys used them to farm lithium from junk yards to make into a drug to sell for resources and shit, the turned-but-not zombies were made to bite into batteries to maintain themselves whilst they worked the scrap yard mines getting lithium for the bad guys. Finally there were zombies the protag could control with his mind due to deus ex machina and he is obviously central to the plot, but he loses the power, then gains it back and then starts to turn more into a zombie so starts eating flesh on the sly.

Z Nation is a really great show as it doesn't pretend to be hardcore realistic.

All those tanks are too expensive to use - THIS is what eleminates the zombie hordes. Just a regular truck, with makeshift protection, and a crew with lots of guns (and ammo). The zeds cannot reach the protected cab.

youtube.com/watch?v=KnWu4lAKDj0

>coming back from the dead is pure fantasy so all bets are off on what's realistic.
Having a central conceit doesn't forfeit realism so long as it's clearly defined and logically consistent.

True. They're technically Ghouls.

^this
you think humvee's are gas guzzlers? Next to moving tanks in WWII, the second most important thing was keeping your gasoline lines secure.

>Limited ammunition specifically designed to pierce armor
Only for western ones. There are bunch of other tanks with good old High Explosive-Fragmentation rounds, they can shred a whole bunch of zombies with blast wave and shrapnel.

Plenty of voodoo zombies were raised from the grave, because the witch doctors would give them poison with fugu liver that induces a death like state, and then dig up the bodies the night after they were buried and then gas lighting the victim into believing they're a slave to the witch doctor.

I wanna watch a zombie movie tonight anons, give me one

Pontypool.

The original Dawn of the Dead.

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That was based off the Stephen King story, right?

yeah

The most curious thing I found out recently that Resident Evil zombies are not technically reanimated corpses - its LIVING humans. Very ill, slightly mutated, but living humans. And after serious injury they die.

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game or movies? cause in the movies it still takes a headshot

Really depends on the setting. TWD they cut off Hershel's leg and he was ok. But I seem to remember other zombie flicks showing that wound dressing / amputation doesn't work.

train to busan is the only good recent one

I only watched the first few seasons of that shit, but none of the characters would get zombified if bit only if they die

thats what home base is for, drive around for a few hours head back refuel repeat, also home base has a fuel source like mad max 2

>Ayy mon
>Fast walkin' or slow joggin', who ya tink is gonna care years from now?
>We should burn books because I taint neva' gonna spend time readin' 'em
>We gonna havta raise our babies to neva' learn how ta read because we could be smokin' in da name of Ja instead

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How new to Resident Evil are you? The zombies in RE are undead.

Bring back necromancy and fuck off viruses , parasites etc

Try this. Its TV series, but only 6 episodes so far, Interesting detective story line (and not zombie sitcom like in TWD) and curious setting with (weird) zombies in medieval Korea.

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undead was always a retarded concept unless you’re gonna go full fantasy which has potential but retarded western writers don’t know how to make it work. only zombies that are interesting and feasible enough to actually be frightening are rage virus zeds, period, /thread, we’ve had this fucking discussion before and this thread is a waste

T virus reanimates dead cells literally bringing dead to life

kek

watch 28 days you retarded pleb

demons from hell, they can be anything you want, or RE with a hundred different mutations, their are many ways to make zombies "realistic"

>How new to Resident Evil are you?
Ive just seen couple of films. RE2 remake was first game to me.
>The zombies in RE are undead.
Apparently, they are not.

residentevil.fandom.com/wiki/Zombie/biology

reddit.com/r/residentevil/comments/9l7fty/are_resident_evil_zombies_technically_even_zombies/e7534t0/

Can't wait for season 2 on this. I watched it because I thought it was just some K-historical drama and was surprised.

>wuxia zombies
seems intere...
>netflix
yikes

Just pirate it, that's what I did with this and Mindhunter.

its not ideal but id rather starve to death if it came down to it than get ripped apart and eaten

I watched it before you were born, lad.

>yikes
Netlfix release some curious foreign films and TV series. Wandering Earth for example. And completely clean of regular SJW stuff.

Fast zombies with guns

thats the plan in almost every zombie movie, and of course they eventually run out of supplies

Running zombies is reflexive since you don't have time to think. In that manner it's scary in the same way as a fighting a bear. You know you're fucked but at least its over quickly.
Walkers are a bit more insidious. They give you the chance to escape, letting you think that you're smart enough to outwit them until they finally corner you. It's like being beaten to death by a midget.

well it's chinese so of course there's no sjw stuff netflix is just distributing it not financing

They're called Zoombies

>beaten to death by a midget

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Those are easily the scariest zombies

>running, nigh-invulnerable and somewhat sentient

It's korean.

wandering earth is chinese

Oh i thought we were still talking about Kingdom

FOOKIN BEGBIE

these sound amazing but I'm too much of a pussy to watch horror movies

neither flick is particularly scary

would also be able to molest walkers more easily

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a zombie virus as described by popular media is biologically impossible so it's no surprise they ignore biology most of the time

>Just humans infected by a virus and behaves like aggressive zombies.
so rabies?

Youre a fucking retard. If there are dragons then all rules are out.

there was a situation where the crossed couldn't get pass a barrier wall so they throw an infected crossed baby into the air and shoot it or some shit to make the blood splatter inside and infect the wall defenders

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Designer drug:

>Miami police suspect that what caused a 31-year-old man to rip off his clothes and viciously gnaw on the face of another man in a daylight attack on a busy highway is a new and extremely dangerous street drug known as "bath salts."

abcnews.go.com/US/face-eating-attack-possibly-linked-bath-salts-miami/story?id=16451452

the vamps all get hunted to near extinction afaik, they even had vamp fangs for sale in gift shops

I hate niggers, jews, and women.

i mean yeah drugs do that, but if you want a virus that mimics fast zombies rabies would be the closest. I've seen late stage rabies patients and they're pretty much 28 days later zombies without the excessive blood spewing

Thanks for telling us what to think, doctor. God bless.

The real horror of zombies comes in the following forms:

>Being chased by something trying to kill you and being too exhausted to keep going.
>Being chased and being cut off by new enemies every time you try to evade and/or being trapped by the environment.
>Having your combat formation or tribe be overrun attacked by a massively larger force and overrun, causing a loss of cohesion and and/or a every-man-for-themselves rout.
>Close combat with an aggressive attacker that can fatally 'sting' you if it gets the upper hand.

People become rapidly desensitized to gore, humans being eaten, humans being infected etc. But they never become desensitized to these scenarios because those scenarios tap into instinctual prey responses when done right. This is also why fast zombies are scarier than slow zombies, being chased or attacked by something fast is more pressing than something that you can jog away from. This is why the escape scene from 28 weeks later is the most effective zombie scene ever filmed, even though it doesn't technically involve zombies

youtube.com/watch?v=VVnz6hlC3pQ

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new thread when?

Rigor mortis says sprinters are even more impossible than regular zombies.

Rigor mortis wears off after a few days.

That's just what they WANT you to think.

dude sprinted more in those 3 minutes then you have ran in your entire life, mate.