I am an angel

>""""judeo-christian""""
what am I supposed to call it then

Satan was a word used it the vague sence as adversary or enemy
Lucifer came from a word which meant to emit or give off light and was refering to Jesus
Theres no lucifer or satan, and never was

abrahamic?

dont say judeochristian, its redundant. christian already has the bible inside
christians are jews that accepted the messiah, jews are christians that still did not

lucifer didn't refer to jesus fuckhead

stop getting information from alex jones conspiracy annunaki blogs

Yes satan is an enemy so as the enemy of god Lucifer is Satan
>Lucifer came from a word which meant to emit or give off light and was refering to Jesus
fucking moron
lucifer, is the bring of light, the fallen star, the fallen angel, Prometheus

yeah, how nonchalant about the whole thing was chilling

>post yfw life itself is only a vision, a dream. Nothing exists but empty space and you....and you are but a thought

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This shit was ahead of its time, and super deep. Who made this cartoon?

alex jones is christian, hes not the zeitgeist antichristian type

Helleno-christian.

maybe
what about the traditional differences between them though

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that's the gist of hinduism if I remember, vishnu is dreaming all of this

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then you dont put them together, you say jewish traditions or christian traditions
the new testament is older than the talmud wich is what most jews follow
jews always go against crhistian interests at any given time, place and moment in history, only american boomers talk about judeocrhstians values cause they drank to koolaid to send their kids to die for Israel

Do some research youself fucktards, your imaginary friend books are so riddled with mistranslations its completely laughable. Satan meant enemy, not of god but was refering to an opposing kingdom and lucifer was a translation of Phosphorus which was litterly refering to a morning star or lightbringer then when they use the word in the bible its refering to jesus. Sad how i understand this more then you stupid sheep and i dont pretend to believe it out of only fear

>I am a farmer
>What's your name?
>Sneed

What was the point if this scene?

>Satan
>Lucifer
>The Devil
explain the difference to me.

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thats a sorry name for a general store owner

christianism is way more roman and greek than jewish

Nicely memed my fren, nicely memed indeed.

yes because you speak ancient greek, hebrew and aramean right? kys

Because you cant use the internet to research words yourself right? What a stupid argument

Satan - formless chaotic entity
Lucifer - Blonde dude who was a mesopotamian ruler, the lightbringer
The devil - doesn't exist IRL since neither satan nor lucifer are evil

You know what is worse than an ignorant, an ignorant that believes he knows stuff.
The name of Satan means antagonist but Lucifer is also called Satan in the New Testament. And the mention of someone that opposes God called Satan is also mentioned in characters like Satanael.

Lucifer is known as the Morning Star because he was the brightest and most beautiful angel of all and his original name is Helel.

Dumb pleb.

Satan is the most accurate nae
Lucifer, the lord of light is a nickname
Devil is very generic, you can have many devils (Asmodeus, Astaroth, Baphomet)

I dont want give reveneue to clickbait zeitgeist bullshit sorry pal

>hehe dont you know Jesus is Lucifer, christians are in fact satanist, they are adoring evil, no I dont believe in any of this but its a nice trick huh?

Also, Jesus is called Light of the World (φώς τοῦ kόσμου Phṓs tou kósmou) not Helel or Lucifer.
You damn amateur.

Religious people being ignorant isn’t adding value to your life. Religion was probably the spark of civilization and is as natural as aggression or having feet. It’s value is entirely in how it is practiced. Its an adaptation for intelligent creatures to strive without overthinking existentialism. The need to dismantle religion is unreasonable. It allows healthy function and, it seems to me, attacks on religion amount to nothing less than egostroking. If you need that ego stroke that desperately, if armchair thoughts are your primary ambition, how happy can you even be?

T. Not even religious, just done with petty criticisms where it doesn’t apply to actual moral conflicts of actions

>Lucifer came from a word which meant to emit or give off light and was refering to Jesus
Jesus is the refered as Light of the World not as Morningstar.

youtu.be/BpaRouocBes

Mark Twain's thoughts on the duality of God and existence.

"Maybe this world is another planet's hell." The Mysterious Stranger is an aesthetically beautiful dark cartoon/claymation from the "Adventures of Mark Twain." The Mysterious Stanger is the fin. The book wad worked periodically from 1890 up until 1910. The body of work is a serious social commemtary Twain addressing his ideas of the Moral Sense and "the damned human race." The book version that was published nonetheless maintains Twain's criticisms on what he believed to be the hypocrisy of organized religion that is the subject of Twain's much later writings.

The duality of God...is God also Satan. Nietzsche God is dead. Ontological priori argument. First- cause argument. Cosmological argument from contingency. Design argument teleological argument. Cartesian hard problem. God is in the eye of the beholder. Simulation hypothesis. Fermi paradox.

Assblasted brainlet found

Cool can he dream me a better job?

Based Clemens

It's amazing to think that for how cynical and grim he was, he still had a soft spot for Jeanne d'Arc.

no fucking shit, that's why he says it

>hey why dont we just use a bunch of old pagan ideals and subvert them to control the population, best yet well say theyll be tortured forever if they even bat an eye! Instead of causing riots rightfully agaisnt us well theyll instead just wander around the desert minding their own business like a flock of sheep!
And then Christianity was born

>OP posts kino of the highest order
>thread is just about christcuckery

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this.

this entire thread is missing the point of one of the most important redpills in cinema.

pathetic.

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>instead just wander around the desert minding their own business like a flock of sheep!
Nigga, the hell are you smoking? After the death of Jesus, most of his apostles went to all parts of the world to spread his word. The idea of salvation wasn't exclusive to just some group but to everyone and that was the message of their Lord.
>Wants theological discussion without christianity in the mix
Who let this guy in?
Are you forgetting the end of the movie and how Adam/Twain is now complete after he reaches the end of his journey?

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Spread his word, of being a pacifist little bitch

but the thread is solely about religion and not about the movie itself

good stuff

youtube.com/watch?v=Z2w8c_Nhbsg

I'd invite him over for family dinner

Yes he is. There's no angel called "Satan", it's not a name it's a title or an adjective. It's like saying
>I'm a man
>what's your name
>electrician

he wiped kikes on the temple for sellung stuff, you got jewed pal, when europe was christian it ruled the world, now after a century of laicism we are going the way of the dodo

>of being a pacifist little bitch
A message of peace but it wasn't the same as being unprepared or to give up, or to rely entirely on God, but on your own power. Sell your cloak and buy a sword. According to the Gospel of Luke (22:36, NIV)
If you are discussing the metaphysical monologue of Satan, it's normal you are also going to touch religious themes.

Can you post the part where he says that?

not true, Lucifer, the fallen angel became the antagonist of god, aka satan
you cant just throw away 2000 years of folklore because you feel like it

It's normal that he no longer accepts his old name. Instead he prefers his new name, that represents his position against God and everything. He is the antagonist.

its really shameful seeing all these nordicists assholes blaming christianity for their downfall when in fact their nations got ruined the moment they adopted atheism

what did mark twain mean by this?

Someone wake that nigga up

>you cant just throw away 2000 years of folklore because you feel like it
I know, I'm not, you are. In the book of Job the angel that questions God is described as Satan but its not "Lucifer", it's just a random angel. Satan is not a name, it's a title. All Lucifer is Satan but not all Satan is Lucifer. Lucifer doesn't even change his name after he falls, he's still just called Lucifer, but he's also called Satan sometimes because he became Satan whet he fell, but that's not his actual name.

that's the gist of judaism as well

duality doesn't actually exist until adam passes out and he dreams that the "female side" of him is separated from him and then there's a snake and things get crazy

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It's from a film called "The Adventures of Mark Twain" (1985). This segment is the only real standout though.

lmfao your ""god"" is a GIRL

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How can you justify or even accept the fact that every single thing about Christianity was just ripped off from older religions? Not just some similarities, its all just a renaming and watered down version of older religions

Satan, also known as "The Satan", which means "The Adversary": An angel tasked by God with tempting humanity. See: book of Job.

Lucifer: The planet Venus, also known as "The Morning Star". There is no "Lucifer" entity in the bible and the biggest indicator to this is the fact that "Lucifer" is a Latin word. The bible was written in three languages: Aramaic, Greek and Hebrew. The peculiar movement and appearance of Venus in the sky (a bright light that is quickly snuffed) has been used since ancient times as a metaphor for falling from grace. In Christianity, the term Lucifer is often used as a synonym for...

The Devil: The embodiment of absolute evil in several religions. In the case of Christianity, the Devil is an amalgamation of the Satan myth and the Lucifer metaphor.

>reading comprehension
fucking stoner, I'm agnostic. I don't have a god

Anyone whos a pagan is more embarrassing then a christian, but doesnt mean being a christian, a religion thats a rewrite and adaptation of older religions including the many different pagan one, any less fucking retarded

Lucifer doesn't exist, it's Jewish mysticism pushed by Kabballistic Jews. It's the Hasidic Jews who sit in the White-house who believe in all this mysticism. Funny enough, I can trace my lineage exactly to the moment when the Hasidic Jews took over, which was a movement designed to teach the Kabbalah to the world.... which they have managed to accomplish, since almost every religion is based on this nonsense. Jesus is called "Lucifer" in the final chapter of Revelation, it's just a title for someone who was chosen. It's a Latin word that made its way into a Greek/Hebrew Bible, that should be your first clue ;). It just means Morning Star, or Son of the morning, bright one, from the Hebrew word HEYLEL. Almost every university in the west has a Jewish organization on their campuses called HILLEL, or LUCIFER, this is a youth group for young Jews.

Isaiah 14 is the only chapter that has this name Lucifer... if you read the beginning of the chapter, it's addressing the king of Babylon, not some demi-god.

"That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!" Isaiah 14:4

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" Isaiah 14:12

It's insane, they stick a Latin word there, slap on a capital "L", now it's a demi-god, when in reality, our enemies are men, priests, kings, and merchants. Show me one chapter where Moses explains to us that we are dueling hyper-dimensional sociopaths?

These people are too dense for real information, theyll just sperg out and ask if you read hebrew instead of googling it themselves

I want out of the Godhead. How the fuck can I CHIM my way out of this shit.

youtube.com/watch?v=gH8xzJcbgyo

Because I think that what Jesus said is something that we are all looking, in different ways, salvation and to find what our soul lacks.
And believe he is correct and I will follow his message.

I tried explaining this already and they just sperg out like children lol

Are you trying to say that Satan is a job title rather than a name?

Satan = father equivalent
Lucifer = son equivalent
Devil = holy spirit equivalent

So youre just a complete fucking sheep then? You ignore all outside evidence and continue with your blind faith without any justification at all. Thats the most pathetic thing ive ever heard. You worship a pan-zues hybrid and no matter how much you lie to yourself you know as well as i do you only have faith because of your fear of being punished by a perceived tyrant that you call your god

>Lucifer is Latin
the reasoning behind "Lucifer" allows it to transcend language barriers, though. It means simply "The Morning Star."
The idea being that, while the morning star sure is bright, it's absolutely nothing compared to the sun (God's light).

lol what?

Sort of. Not a job but a title or a description. Anti-god = satanic, or if its a person who is being satanic you can call them Satan.

Satan was a loose term for enemy or adversary. You wouldnt say i am enemy

>I am an angel
>What's your name?
>Sneed

>atheist theology

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t. Wiccan

>"How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!" - Isaiah 14:12

Lucifer was God's right hand angel, who is referred to as the morning star. In Ezekiel, the king of tyre is represented in the text, but it is also referring to Lucifer being an instrument of praise to Yahweh a.k.a Jesus, or Yeshua, if you prefer. He was aligned with the best of praises and was filled with the tabernacle of God's glory. When he fell, by becoming prideful in his own splendor and beauty, God, Yahweh, Jesus, cast him out of heaven and he became the 'adversary or Satan, or the evil one, or the Devil. All in all, Satan is our adversary here on earth.

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>christ cuck blind cowardice

The God I praise is a God that represents everything and the message that I follow, is one of peace and understanding but at the same time, to not be naive, to be prepared and to rely on myself instead of just divine providence.

Satan, Lucifer and Devil are all used interchangeably.

what older religions? did they had a copywirght? did Jesus not pay royalties? shouldve he made an oc donut steel religion so you'd be happier?

>Vishnu dreams of me jerking it to Brazil fart porn every night

>So youre just a complete fucking sheep then? You ignore all outside evidence and continue with your blind faith without any justification at all. Thats the most pathetic thing ive ever heard. You worship a pan-zues hybrid and no matter how much you lie to yourself you know as well as i do you only have faith because of your fear of being punished by a perceived tyrant that you call your god

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Christianity literally started as jewish cult trying to get gentiles to believe in YHWH.

When Christianity began, it started with the Jews and Israelites in Judea, as the Jewish rabbis and priests began slaughtering any Jew who dare question what the Jewish authorities said. Had it not been for the Jews in Judea, sacrificing their lives for Jesus, Europe never would have become Christian. Today, the Jews are still enslaved by the lies passed down by their families, rabbis, and traditions.

Where did the idea even come from that Christianity is entirely a ripoff of other religions? I'm not even a Christian, but that's just so blatantly wrong.

No, they're not. Lucifer specifically can be described using all three terms, the same way a person can be described by their name, character and occupation, but they're not terms that can be used interchangeably in any circumstance. This is not hard to understand.

>Europe never would have become Christian
you dont know that, even the roman soldiers were already ditching their old pagan rituals and adopting mithraism and shit like that, the grecoroman religion was done for

zeitgeist bullshit

Jesus never once tried to convert a Roman

Dr Pavel, I’m CIA

Because people believe the lie from Satan. In an earthly perspective, it is because they don't read the Old and New Testament and actually do their research into the genealogy. People see one bad thing in a news article and don't do the research themselves.

>>I'm a man
>>what's your name
>>electrician
kino

sophistry
of course there was "duality" at that point. there was duality, actually trinity in God from all eternity, as well as the duality between God and the angels, God and man, God and created beings, etc.

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Larpagans seem to think that if Christianity had never happened we'd still be praising fucking Odin or Jupiter or whatever the fuck, when in reality classical myth was being replaced by Gnosticism and Orphic cults.

Dips tefora

He came to save the lost sheep of Israel.

He left the rest to the apostles

they blame christian moralism for keeping the white race down and not allowing us to genocided the rest
in reality we didnt need no genocide, when our nations were christians we had a great fertility rate and ruling the planet

>Folklore
Repent, heretic

Did that nigga scalp that pupper?

>fucking shitstian sheeple relying on their non-existent kike on a stick instead of their own strength like us paganchads
>AAAA NOOOO HELP ME ODIN THE XTIANS ARE BURNING MY SACRED TREE NOOOO THOR WHERE ARE YOU OUR WOMEN ARE MARRYING JEWS NOOOO THIS IS UNFAIR

You're gonna feel real alright after i glass your face cunt

>implying any of these myths exist IRL

I have no horse in this race but these threads are always kino.

>Hen
>Rooster
>Cock
>Chicken

Someone help me understand

kind of is, his angelic name is Samaël. We're not 100% certain where the Satan name comes from and it might not even be a name at all but merely a verb.

The Devils greatest trick was fooling the world he didn't exist

>Luke 10:18
>He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."

>Isaiah 14:12
>How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

>Satan, also known as the Devil, is an entity in the Abrahamic religions that seduces humans into sin or falsehood.

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it's not the same dog you retard

I love how the pagan larpers are making fun of christian larpers who make fun of fedoras and the fedoras just seethe because they've ran out of arguments a long time ago

>CHIM my way out of this shit
CHIM is when you accept there is no way out, that you're fucked.

Based Adventist

His angelic name is Samaël. Lucifer is latin for "bringer of light" and, as such, was the first name of Jesus Christ before the Church decided that knowledge was for only for the few and repurposed the name. The romans used the name to designate the personification of Venus (the planet, not the god), the Morning Star. Satan has disputed origins and might be a verb.

why would a hindi god dream about me beating off?

Whoever is arguing, it's all good shits and giggles.

Pakis are naturally a bit gay.

Jews are anti-Christian. They openly admit it. Ask one sometime.

This just supports MY point you brainlet

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about, pissbottle.

whoever said Lucifer was evil?

>I AM CIA

there's no real question among scholars that it is. The equivalent word in arabic, "sheitan", doesn't designate only The Devil but all devils

>being pedantic about terms when you're reading the translation and not the original anime
cringe

Jews who don’t accept Jesus are children of the devil (John 8:44)

>It means simply "The Morning Star."
No it doesn't, Lucifer means "bringer of light" with "light" meaning knowledge. "Morning Star" is "stella matutina" in latin, and it's one of the titles of the Virgin Mary

not among satanists they aren't

cringe

yikes

i'm seed and feed

Modern Christianity invented the 'turn the other cheek bullshit.' Jesus and his followers never once did that, they fought the Synag*gue of satan tooth and nail until his death.

>I'm a man
>what's your name
>CIA
I don't know, man

Best Satan was in The Last Temptation and Mel Gibson is a dumb burger. Keenu Constantine is also /ourguy/

fuck off Satan is evil in this one. It's slander.

>Jews who are children of the devil
Ftfy

I believe that everyone believes and no one knows. I don't really know too much about the bible and Lucifer except that he were called morningstar, light bringer and after opposing God was banished from the ranks of Heaven. One third of Heaven's angels joined his cause and they were cast to earth.
I know that in recent recorded history supposedly we are all sons of Noah. I know that one point the sons of Noah made a city with a tower and they made bricks with fire. I know that humans as far back as ~400,000 years ago used fire to make tools. I know that the Brunhes–Matuyama reversal was ~781,000 years ago. I know that we're all technically speaking one language now. I know that those in power are trying to adopt memes to sow dissent. I know that something major went down the last time language was universal and fucked up. I know that people throughout history have had contact with otherwordly entities. I know that we all know that things aren't looking too good.
I don't know much but believing is fun

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>tfw you remember being 13

In the book he's Satan's nephew
Satan is his last name, we never learn his first name

Just a bit off the top

underrated

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I have no clue how people still think any one interpretation of any religion is word for word correct on how the so called spiritual realm works. I think they're all interpretations of the same concepts with different extrapolations and social implications depending on all factors which build the area in which the religion resides.

>I am white
>What's your name?
>Tyrone Jamal "J" DeShawn the 3rd

>In the book he's Satan's nephew
I think it's implied he may be lying and he is the real Satan. And considering his nature as a trickster, that could be truth.
Similar to how in Paradise Lost, the fact you start to empathize with him is how Milton depicts his seduction.

actual question that ive been thinking of, Lucifer feels like a re-telling of Helios and sharing fire to the humans because he adored them so much or some shit. Only reason why I think of him like that since the angle dose litterly everything in his power to defy god, something angles cant do, because he thinks hes doin' it wrong, even though angels arnt really aloud to do that. Tales of Lucifer being this Hadies/heleos type character where 'hes stuck with the job he has now due to stupid shit he's done' always intrigued me of expanding on a previously sort of 2d feeling being.

i thought he was an amalgamation of prometheus and hades or something of the sort.

Satan was a real jerk here

He is actually Kronos

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the kids were fags tho
>transports them to a sickass void
>gives them sweet apples
what else did they want

Also noting that Diodorus Siculus of Sicily reported that the Chaldeans called Cronus (Saturn) by the name Helios, or the sun, and he explained that this was because Saturn was the most conspicuous of the planets.

STOP

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I hear that the new testament was created for the Jews to follow, Is that canon?

Are there people naive enough to believe that people believe in God. Ive never looked someone in the eyes and seen the belief in God in anyone.

if you've never seen it how do you know what it's supposed to look like?

Satan has various 'angelic' names depending on which Abrahamic denomination you ask - Lucifer, Samael, Satanael, Mastema, etc.

This thread is fucking my head

Is Samaël the devil/Satan or is Lucifer?

The religion has been around too long to reliably separate these concepts that have been married for thousands of years in different ways by different sects.

Originally Satan was not an enemy of god but a means of testing mankind by tempting them; he was not 'the adversary' of god but of man

Samaël was Lucifer's angelic name before he fell. All angel names end with "el" because they're all a variation on "_____ of God" and "el" means "God" in semitic languages

most names in the OT are titles, thats why God says his name is I AM

>Lucifer - Blonde dude who was a mesopotamian ruler, the lightbringer
where can I read about this? have never heard this before...

>I am a farmer
>Whats your soil ph level?
>9.6

you can look in their eyes, if they believe all of this is just the lab experiment of some arch-wizard, they would have a million yard stare.

Satan means adversary. That is all.

That's pretty kino

We only call Lucifer satan because of Nero anyway.

Patrician

Cringe