Was he really in the wrong for anything?

yes he was a shitty character

>IS THERE REALLY NO OTHER WAY, MICHAEL?

Literally kills himself because he gives a shit about two nobody street dealers biting it after he fails to control them and then puts all the blame on his prize scientist.

mmm no werner, gotta be a military grade bullet to the head, no half-measures zzzzzzzzzzz

No, but plenty of people do and where there's unmet demand there is opportunity. From all the people that die or have their lives ruined by meth, people that almost certainly weren't going to amount to much in the first place, jobs are created by the fronts/laundering operations and wealth is concentrated into the hands of better capital allocators. Hospitals can be built from the blood and bones of the sacrificed lower class.

>military grade bullet
Speaking of which, I just rewatched all of Better Call Saul and mike never says that but I swear he said it back when I watched it on release.

When Mike talks about the treadmills, he wanted commercial grade or something along those lines. Military grade was just a meme started here.

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If someone with the actual intelligence of Gus existed they wouldnt hire Walt at all. Way too much of a liability. Wouldnt even think twice about not doing it. They made him make a dumb decision so they show could be the show.(which I understand, I'm just saying for someone as keen as Gus I dont see any way he would have reslistically taken in Walt)

isn't the point that Walt's meth is too good to pass up? seemed like Gus always considered his work with Walt temporary anyway.

he hired walt as a favor to gale, he didnt really care about the extra few percentage points

you mean faggot?

But he did care about keeping the lab earning money because it costs him a fortune to run and Walts product had a massive following.

>he didnt really care about the extra few percentage points
of course he did

They establish in season 1 Jesse could sling the blue meth for like 5x the normal market rate. Gus could probably sell it for more. In season 3 they use this knowledge to determine Gus is making about 100 million in the 3 months they are scheduled to work. 100 million vs 20 million with regular meth. What kind of intelligent business man turns that down because the guy that will make him that much money is possibly unreliable (though there isn’t much indication of his unreliability when he gets hired in the first place).

> Drived by vengance
> Druglord
> Using Childs to sell the drugs

he was happy with the guy he groomed for the job, literally only accepted walt after gale practically begged him so he could be a nerd

In real life, product quality doesn't mean much, at least not as much as television wants you to believe. A good product is not worth it if it means dealing with someone like Walt who has red flags all over him even if you ignore his personality and pride. Like Stringer Bell said in The Wire, drug addicts are going to buy even if the product is shit and if you have competition without the muscle, you kill them. If they have the muscle, you organize a cartel with them.

yeah but he wasn't doing it as a favour for Gale, he was doing it as a favour for himself because he and Gale knew they couldn't make a product like Walt. it was always supposed to be temporary with Walt, just enough time so Gale could learn how to make it himself.

When do we learn this? As far as I know Gus first looks into Walt through Mike/Saul, then agrees to work with Walt after Walt confronts him at Pollos. Gale has nothing to do with it?

not all pedos are faggots but all faggots are pedos

>product quality doesn't mean much
I'm just wondering where this sage wisdom is coming from. I mean I'd consider myself to be addicted to weed. I can tell bad weed from good weed solely from its effects. tweakers I'd imagine are more concerned with their quality of meth, and with the amount most consume it's natural to suspect that higher quality product is going to net them a better high, and therefore they'll buy it over the crap they used for years.

>it was always supposed to be temporary with Walt, just enough time so Gale could learn how to make it himself.
right but its entirely gales idea. he brings it up and gus fights him on it, citing his unreliability. he doesnt care about the extra percentage, its all gale gushing

>right but its entirely gales idea
yeah but it's not like Gus wasn't already aware of this. he already spent millions on the lab. Gale didn't convince him, like I said, he convinced himself when he knew he had just wasted all the money on the lab.

You have absolutely no understanding of business lmao. Because the blue meth IS recognizably more potent, aka a higher quality product, you could charge whatever you damn well please for it. At a certain point your profits from raising the price will level out the more you alienate the poor, but it’s got to be an absurd price hike for that to happen especially with a high demand product like an extremely potent addictive substance.
Also, what were the red flags with Walt? The red flags at the point they meet is more with Jesse than it is Walt

>he doesnt care about the extra percentage
this is beyond retarded, we've already been clearly shown how much people are willing to pay for it since it's so good and well known.

>red flags
Jesse, Hank, probably was more than aware of Walt's dealing with the Salamancas and the cartel.

dont see why you think that, the lab was made to gales specifications, for gales use. walts just some guy saul knew
im not saying its smart or dumb, just what the characters did user

Deaths
Murders committed by Gus
Arturo: Suffocated with a bag. ("Breathe")
Victor: Sliced his throat with a box-cutter.
Don Eladio Vuente: Poisoned with tainted glass of Zafiro Añejo tequila.
Benicio Fuentes: Poisoned with tainted glass of Zafiro Añejo tequila.
Miguel: Poisoned with tainted glass of Zafiro Añejo tequila.
Don Paco: Poisoned with tainted glass of Zafiro Añejo tequila. ("Salud")
Don Cesar: Poisoned with tainted glass of Zafiro Añejo tequila.
Don Renaldo: Poisoned with tainted glass of Zafiro Añejo tequila.
Don Artuno: Poisoned with tainted glass of Zafiro Añejo tequila. ("Salud")
Don Cisco: Poisoned with tainted glass of Zafiro Añejo tequila.
Don Luis: Poisoned with tainted glass of Zafiro Añejo tequila.
Don Escalada: Poisoned with tainted glass of Zafiro Añejo tequila. ("Salud")
Two Juárez Cartel Capos: Poisoned with tainted glass of Zafiro Añejo tequila.

Murders connected to Gus
21+ members of the Espinosa Gang: Majority slaughtered by the Cousins and 1 by Nacho through circumstances orchestrated by Gus in order to take control of the gang's territory. ("Talk")
Werner Ziegler: Shot by Mike Ehrmantraut on Gus' orders.
Marco Salamanca: Shot by Hank Schrader through circumstances orchestrated by Gus. ("One Minute")
Leonel Salamanca: Poisoned by Mike on Gus' orders. ("I See You")
Juan Bolsa: Shot by Mexican federales through circumstances orchestrated by Gus. ("I See You")
Juan Bolsa's Two Bodyguards: Shot by Mexican federales through circumstances orchestrated by Gus. ("I See You")
Tomás Cantillo: Shot by two drug dealers that work for Gus. ("Half Measures")
Four Cartel Assassins: Shot by Mike on Gus' orders. ("Full Measure")
Two Cartel Assassins: Shot by Mike to protect Gus' cargo. ("Bullet Points")
Gaff: Garroted by Mike on Gus' orders. ("Salud")
Joaquin Salamanca: Shot multiple times by Jesse Pinkman to protect Gus. ("Salud")

What hospitals were built by Gus' empire?

The answer is none because like most "better capital allocators", while they may have the capacity to allocate wealth in manners that benefit society, what they'll almost always CHOOSE to do is hoard it in a mountain and let it rot there where it can benefit no one but themselves.

Everything would have been OK if Jesse weren't a fucking crybaby.

I think it's when Gus meets Gale at his home and Gale tells Gus he tested the sample and it was super high quality and he really wanted to meet the chemist that synthesized it

The lab was made to Gale's specs because he's the best thing Gus had next to Walter, and of course once Gus heard about Gale's worries about not being able to produce a product like the blue stuff Gus has no other choice.

He didn't hire Walt as a courtesy, he's a businessman.

He built a clinic to get the Johns Hopkins doctor to help treat Hector.

Uhhhh, someone who doesn't want to start making ZERO money because he hired an unreliable loose cannon faggot who might disrupt the entire operation?

This isn't fucking google where the consequence for making a bad hire is three days of some work not being done while you hire another intern. The consequences for things going wrong here are things like horrific death, life in prison or losing absolutely everything.

Which is exactly why Gus always considered Walter to be a temporary cook, did you miss that part? He's make a bet he think he'll win.

>comparing marijuana to crystal fucking meth, one of the most addictive substances on the planet

What’s the red flags in him dealing with tuco? Its easy to determine he is a local manufacturer not some undercover cartel henchman. Jesse was the only compromise he had to make, it’s hard to say how much hank could be considered a huge liability in some ways it’s an advantage.

Then my comparison works perfectly. It's an undeniable fact that higher quality meth is going to make a person have a better high, it's an irrefutable notion.

i guess its down to interpretation but i figure if that was the issue he would have just taken walt from the start. he knew perfectly well what gale was capable of and planned his operations around him

If he know how capable Gale was, why did Gale end up not being capable at all? It didn't even seem like Gale was ready to do the job even after Walt was already on his way to get killed by MIke.

Where’s the evidence of him being an unreliable loose cannon faggot? The only unreliability of Walt by the time they meet is the fact that he cooks in an RV which Gus rectifies.

Why sell a good product when addicts will buy anything to chase that high? Fucking legit companies water down their products and cut corners all the time because their consumers don't make any noice, you honestly don't think people who deal with drugs do the same? Also like I said, if you have competition in the same area, you make a cartel with them and fix prizes or else it ends with bloodshed.

You literally just proved his point more lmao.

Besides the fact he was almost killed by them on a few occasions and ended up being the cause of Tuco's death leading the cousins to completely jeopardize Gus's operation?

>Why sell a good product when addicts will buy anything to chase that high?
Why aren't you buying RC Cola instead of Coca-Cola?

where are you getting that from?

Where am I getting what from? Gus brought Gale to the would-be lab and Gale told him point blank he wouldn't be able to do it. He even told Gus to his face that in the event of Walter being gone, he still has doubts about being able to copy Walt, but says he'll do it anyway because Gale knows who Gus is.

He's brown. And back then we didn't like brown people.

Gale could've done it; Jesse did it.
Guys like Gale are usually too uptight, have to understand everything completely.
Jesse was able to do it by sheer repetition.
Not over-thinking.

he said he wouldnt be able to get those extra couple percentage points that walt could hit, hes perfectly capable of making meth, and very high quality meth to the point that gus started building an empire around it

I'm not trying to say Gale couldn't have done it at all, but clearly Gale didn't have the time and experience with Walt that Jesse had, and Gus already had a short rope on Walter from day one. It was all about time.

If you’re selling the same old average meth as any junkie cooking in his basement then you can only charge as much as that junkie. You’re comparing consumer goods to drugs which makes no sense. For one, there’s no street level market competition in consumer goods, and secondly the goal of consumer goods is to get rid of the products (produce cheaply and sell everything at competitive prices), with drugs you’re not so much producing goods as you are printing money. Why print a 10 dollar bill when you can print 100s? Like you said a junkie will by anything and he WILL buy a higher potency drug if he has the opportunity.

And if I remember correctly, Gus was perfectly OK with Gale’s meth, it was Gale who kept obsessing over Walt’s purity and convinced Gus to take the risk and seek out Walt.

>Gus was perfectly OK with Gale’s meth
nope

The cousins literally allowed Gus to exterminate his cartel competition and set the DEAs sights on the cartel instead of him. Everything Walt did up until they meet was an advantage for Gus.

The cousins were already dead at that point dude. Their whole beef with Walter is revenge, it has nothing to do with throwing Gus a non-existent bone.

Wait what? So what the fuck is your argument? Walt is already working with Gus long before the cousins are killed. When they finally shows up Gus immediately uses them to his advantage. I have no idea what you’re even trying to get at.

I feel like Gus should have killed him when he fired him. And Walt being s bumbling dad who knew zip of how the drug world works would have definitely gotten killed with the shit he pulled in the first 3 seasons.

Good show though, it just nothing would play out like the events on the show if it were a real life situation.

What are YOU trying to get at? Walt's dealings with the cartel put Gus in jeopardy, which opens a window of ideas and ways Gus could believe Walt would endanger him. It doesn't matter if it indirectly helped him or not, he already has an idea how volatile Walt is.

>it just nothing would play out like the events on the show if it were a real life situation.
If I had a nickel for every time I heard this stupid line I'd probably have a good twenty or thirty bucks.

1. Again, he was already well into working with Walt before the cousins showed up
2. How did they put Gus in jeopardy? The only thing they put in jeopardy was Gus’s business with Walt. They wanted to kill Walt and Gus didn’t want that because, again, he was working with him. He says they can kill him after they are done and that’s pretty much that until Gus gets the idea to turn the cousins on the DEA.
3. It didn’t indirectly help him. It directly helped him.

>would have definitely gotten killed with the shit he pulled in the first 3 seasons
Great substance-less comment. Where specifically would he have gotten killed? You do realize he partners with an established meth cook and dealer right?

How would Season 5 have played out if Gus had survived until it?

>1
Yes, and he was already aware of what went down with Tuco which was episodes before Walt and Gus' first meeting. Walt has a knack for getting himself into trouble.

>2
Have you watched the show recently? The cartel knew who Walt was and how it led to Tuco's death, and they actively started coming into Gus' territory to slap him around. Shot up his trucks, threatened his operation, etc.

>3
Indirectly in the sense it wasn't entirely and directly orchestrated by Gus, and more just fell into place. Walt's shenanigans helped Gus this one time, but a retard would forget Walt's shenanigans is bad for business (which we're again shown.)

>its implied he's a pedo
wow raimi, relax
its not like all gays are pedos

>Walt was a local manufacturer who got into business with the locally established distributor. The fact that Tuco was an insane methhead has nothing to do with Walt. The fact that Walt is a low level manufacturer with no connections and limited options says nothing about his character as a business partner.
>I am currently watching season 3. This doesn’t happen. The cousins shoot up a transport of illegals and that’s it. They never directly effect Gus in any way until their death.
>it was literally directly orchestrated by Gus... the attack on hank had immediate benefits for him.

Jesus Raimi.

>the fact that Walt gets into business with a psychopath who is part of Gus' opposition is of no cause for concern
Got it.

>I am currently watching season 3. This doesn’t happen. The cousins shoot up a transport of illegals and that’s it. They never directly effect Gus in any way until their death.
Wrong you fucking meathead. The Cartel shoots up one of Gus' Los Pollos trucks while Mike is in the back.

And no, it was not entirely orchestrated by Gus, it was just a benefit he couldn't pass up. Walt caused it all on his own with his dealings with Tuco.

If you're actually going to sit at your computer and unironically assert that every event in this show is 100% accurate and true to life you are the biggest Br Ba delusional fanboy that ever was

If you're going to sit at your computer and unironically bring up "real-life" as if that matters when discussing fiction, then you are the biggest retard I've replied to all hour. Even if you're right, nobody gives a shit.

yep. Watch the episode again. It’s a flashback after Gale gets got.

- They are not in opposition... they literally have an agreed and respectful separation of business. What kind of idiot sees a low level manufacturer seek a distribution partnership from literally the only person he could and says “wow this is a huge red flag for the manufacturer because I actually don’t like that guy that he sold to when he was starting up”
>The Cartel shoots up one of Gus' Los Pollos trucks while Mike is in the back.
Literally no. Hasn’t happened yet where I’m at. By the time of Fly episode we see Mike all of maybe 6 times: cleaning up Jane, at the park with his granddaughter, wiring Walt’s house and keeping an eye on it, talking to Gus about Walt/Jesse, grabbing Walt from Teds building, and killing the cousin in the hospital. We only actually first see the Pollos trucks AFTER the cousins are killed.
>Walt caused it all on his own with his dealings with Tuco
And it was of little concern to him when it was agreed they would kill him after their business, then he orchestrated it to his advantage.

If he's perfectly fine with Gale, he wouldn't have hired Walter.

>They are not in opposition
We're done here.

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I think it is made clear that it is a buy out.
The blue was iconic.
He would teach Gale, and be done.
There was a specific order.

Walt would have died the the minute he pulled that shit at Tucos in S1

It matters when you're discussing the fact events in the fictional show that is grounded in reality doesnt actuallly play out as such. "Durr who cares" compelling argument you spastic fucking fanboy
The point stands and you have nothing to say against it because its true.

You're the only one ITT that said "this wouldn't happen irl!"

Oof... the “fuck let me pretend I’m too good to even begin to defend my argument” approach. A classic. Embarrassing, but a classic.

Yup. And its completely true.

They explain that one by making Tuco an insane person who follows no logic or reason. Sure it’s a crutch, but still plausible given what they tell you about the situation. Anything else?

Post an argument anytime, fanboy

When Walt suspects that Gus is going to kill him, Walt tells Jesse that Gale's fastidious personality is the only thing keeping Walt alive.

yes. he saw that Walter was a dumbass egomaniac with an unreliable partner. it was too much of a risk, especially once Gale knew how to cook nearly as well as Walter.
Gus should've killed Walt the moment he could have since Walt was always a ticking time bomb, nursing home bomb goes without saying.
other than that for a nig hispanic faggot Gus is extremely based.

he was in the wrong when he decided to not give a fuck about dying children

The truth is while Walt's blue meth would be highly desirable, it would never hit the street. It would likely only be sold to people higher up the chain who would cut it back down to typical street level purity but since they started with a more pure product, they'd be able to stretch it further. Junkies will go out of their way to buy from certain plugs if their quality is better, even if the price is a bit higher but eventually if the price matched the purity the cost would become too prohibitive.

he was a bad guy but less of a bad guy than walt and their conflict was walts fault

are you retarded?

Walt was a good man

>oof
cringe, but if you want to take that as some sort of victory, go for it

Based. Gus did nothing wrong.

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He said treadmills, military grade.

Two percentage points means jack shit in real life

I guess you're the expert here?

No the writers of a TV show are

You're a little confused on the percentage difference, maybe try watching the show sometime.

Maybe you should rewatch it buddy??

Much of this post doesn't make any sense. In fact, Gus played into Walt's egomania specifically to get him to cook. Gus also made the assumption that there wasn't much of a difference between 96% and 995 whe i comes to purity and Gale explained that it was an enormous gulf in skill between himself and Walt. There were no glaring neon lights that Walt was a big problem, he could have predicted what Walt was capable of until he did it. The show takes great strides to show how unpredictable he can be, hence the pseudonym of Heisenberg.

*couldn't

should have just killed the competition (Walt) asap and made Gale head honcho. he saw what Walt was when Jesse showed up high.

That's only if he considered Gale to be the best. Like Jesse said, it probably took years to find Gale, not just to have a skilled cook but someone he can trust. Here he has a cook that can give a superior product and for all intents and purposes at that point in time, he posed no threat.

lmao, you honestly think it was a 2% difference?

Yes. He wasn't satisfied with Gale's 96%, but then settled for Jesse's 92-96% anyway just because. He fucked himself over

but he knew nothing about him and let him in anyway. stupid, Gus was shown to be so careful prior to that.

>spend 90% of the show with mike pouring cement
>gus backstory is just "dude a fucking tree lmao"

bcs is embarissing

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tree? huh?

Based NarcObama

Before he got blown up he should have said something funny like “mommy”

was a bit of an autist but overall no, not really.

you don't remember the embarissing speech gus gave to salamanca?

why couldn't gale do it anyway, this shit isn't magic surely?
>muh blue meth
fuck off

Yes.

Pretty much this. Walt had this too good to pass up product and was fine making it for someone else as long as he was appreciated for it and not put in danger. Gus kept trying to get rid of Walt in hostile ways when he knew better not to and deserved his ultimate fate.

Yes he lured Walter through Jesse when he could have just left him out if he didn’t trust to rely on him
This and on many other occasions, he was a manipulative fuck

I forget what made him decide to trust jessie full stop. I recall him hating that he was replacing Gale and he was convinced that he was just a druggie idiot

>nah man it makes sense cuz he crazy
That would be more evidence of why he should have been killed. They wanted a badads show moment and to solidify Walt as "meaning business" but he would have fucking been dismantled from head to toe.

>you cant make a point unless at least 1 other person in the thread made it.
Feel free to provide an argument anytime, fanboy

What is your "point" exactly? That a fictional TV show isn't real? that's some great insight

Mike went a long way on showing Gus jessie eadnt just a burn out morom and could actually hold his own. He save gud and Mike during the don murder. Season 4 jessie was pretty based.

breaking reddit

Question: is it really being implied that Gus was some kind of higher up in the Pinochet government? A high ranking officer maybe?

>he was a manipulative fuck
That's what made him so cool, though.

Unwilling to properly punish his underlings for killing children.

That alone meant he deserved death.

>*grunt* mmm... nice gun.

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Gus takes risk that sometimes work like killing the Salamanca's or backfire like getting his partner killed or hiring Walt. Gus thought he could handle him and was terribly wrong.

So if it's such an obvious point trying to say otherwise like a few people did makes you look like quite the idiot. This really isnt hard to grasp. Especially when people taun Br Ba as realistic. Its worth pointing out because the show presents itself as realistic. Theres no supernatural elements, no science fiction., etc. Yet the truth of the matter is a fair portion of it isnt.

You dont even deny it so I dont know why you keep blissfully acting like a fucktarded moron about it. People question the validity of thingsin shows and movies that are grounded in "reality" all the time because its directly related to suspension of disbelief and plot development and story in a show. If you're really going to act like it's some nothing point and no one has ever critiqued a show or movie using that metric you're incredibly braindead.

Fuck off. You have nothing to say except to sidestep and present absolutely nothing to the contraty.

Have sex & learn English pedro

Fiction is all about if a particular set of circumstances and sequences occur, does this bother you this much?

People point out ridiculous/farfetched/stretching reality 'shows established rules' type things that happen on scifi/fantasy shows too. I guess Walking Dead has no issues, it's just a fictional show with zombies afterall. I GoT has no issues, its just a. fictional show with magic and dragons afterall.

why are all those spics named don?

It's basically meant to signify that the person is a boss

it was a different time

>you cant mention character logic/choices, inconsistencies, questionably script devlopment in relation to its validity/believability in fictonal media because like it's just fiction bro turn you brain off

Why even come to Yea Forums to discuss films? Especially when 99$ of them are fictional. You could go into every tread and sidestep every point made about a shows characters, motivations and plot by saying "it's just fiction durr". Why are you here?

Well what do you want to talk about?

i knew los pedos hermanos didnt sound right

He was a bad guy but he treated his employees and partners very well unless they were a threat to his business. Victor died because he was spotted at the scene of Gale's murder and Gus had to prove a point to Walt and Jesse. It never made any sense to me why he would be personally connected to some chicken shit street level dealers who had to have some dumb kid do their work for them when he's usually so careful.

They spent abundant time and entire scenes showing that Gus donated to the police, funded scholarships, and was a valued member of society as Los Pollos Hermanos CEO
Yes there is a dark undertone to all this, but Gus was a total citizen, and brought a lot of money and status to the area.

no....

exactly...the show is that bad people don't remember what happens in it (spoiler - absolutely fucking nothing)

I really like BCS but I straight up don't remember any tree speech.
>Jimmy vs Chuck
>Mike and runaway Werner
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I remember Gus' monologue about the animal he caught? starved? something