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He's wrong, plotholes matter
If a movie about vampires establishes that crosses don't work
Then all of a sudden, crosses do work, why would you like such a poorly written movie?
dude just turn your brain off lmao
This. Not *everything* like this is a plothole, but real plotholes are the hallmarks of poor writing.
>Crosses don't work until they do: plothole/bad writing
>Crosses don't work without faith, and it's explicitly stated in the film: not a plothole/good writing
>Crosses don't work without faith and it's strongly suggested by their interactions and imagery which characters have faith and which don't, or a character *gains* faith over the course of the story: not a plothole/great writing
It's not the "muh plotholes" that are bad. It's the shit people consider plotholes, which includes, but not limited, to the shit that wan't spoonfed to main audience, the "human factor" shit, and generally the shit autists can't get because their "sense of awesomeness" is atrophied.
That's why we can't effectively have an "unreliable narrator" and some other tropes that rely on half-truths and hints.
>>Crosses don't work without faith and it's strongly suggested by their interactions and imagery which characters have faith and which don't, or a character *gains* faith over the course of the story: not a plothole/great writing
Shamefully, most of the audience, especially american, won't notice it, instead focusing on how the two MCs are gay because they are friends and hugged each other once or some shit like that.
You nailed it perfectly.
What constitutes a plothole to some people can also just be... not actually a thing, like how I heard some people were confused at how Batman escaped the nuke in The Dark Knight Rises, when there's there's literally a goddamn scene with Morgan Freeman explaining that Bruce Wayne fixed the code to an autopilot system explaining how he didn't have to be in the ship. Like what the fuck, watch the movie. TDKR has huge problems, but that's not one of them.
Dude, it's just a movie about space wizards.
Of course he's wrong, all this TLJ damage control is transparent as fuck too
I don't know if he's right because I have no desire to watch his video. I'll say this, though: there are moments where you have to suspend your disbelief, and those aren't plotholes, but actual plotholes (the ones where there's a big, glaring inconsistency in the story) do take people out of the movie, and thus are detrimental to the story. That doesn't mean you have to slavishly follow the rules, but if something breaks the rules, you need to explain why this is different. However, I'd say most "plotholes" that get pulled up are the former rather than the latter. For whatever reason, people think being nitpicky with a movie makes them clever, like they're noticing something no one else saw, but if no one else noticed, then it doesn't really matter. I'd also add that the suspension of disbelief only goes so far for viewers (how far depends on the viewer as well as how they feel at any given moment), and if you try to suspend people's disbelief too far, you break it, and this is again detrimental to your film. How far you can suspend people's disbelief depends on expectations you create: for example, a character casually lighting a fire underwater will break people's disbelief, but in Spongebob, it's doable because they set up expectations from the get-go that this isn't a realistic depiction of life (and they also mock being able to light fires underwater in some episodes).
He's making a weak argument here where, instead of directly addressing concerns people have, he tries to downplay the concerns by denigrating the media in order to defend it, but if it is just a dumb movie for dumb kids, why spend any energy defending it at all? To throw his own shitty argument back in his face: duuuuuuude, it's just a dumb space wizard kid's film, why make a 13 minute video to defend m'lady's honor? Chill out, man. Relax.
Or better yet, how about be honest with your arguments when attempting to engage in a discussion with others and not use slimy, cheeseball, underhanded tactics? Not everything has to be a gotcha, you rotten snake. Dude.
His mind's in the right place but he's exaggerated his point. Plotholes are definitely detrimental to a story but like some anons have pointed out what people constitute as plotholes nowadays are outright drivel. One of the "plotholes" people point out often are characters having humane flaws as opposed to being perfect human robots. That's not a plothole. The degradation of film criticism through cinemasins culture is a real epidemic.
You're right about the human flaws aspect, but that can be done well or it can be done poorly. Having characters do soap-opera-tier heel turns just for the epic "tweeest" is very nearly a plothole to me. If you have characters acting directly counter to their established personality and motivations just to further your plot, you're guilty of the poorest, laziest writing imaginable even if it's not what one would consider a plothole.
One really glaring example of that, at least for me, was Starlord pistol-whipping Thanos out of his Mantis-induced sleep. Quill's a hothead and a manchild, but he's not supposed to be a fucking retard. Why in the fuck would you risk that when you're seconds away from having the chance to ask the same questions from a much more manageable foe? It's bad, "convenient" writing.
What a brainlet
>cinemasins culture
but he never claims to be serious like every other Youtube movie reviewer who all nitpick stupid shit some for hours for one film I don't see how people always use him as a scapegoat when yms RLM and mauler are all huge perpetrators of it
he's obviously shitting on plebtard normalfag channels like cinemasins but he goes to the other extreme and makes the same argument as capeshit cucks. I want to know how bruce wayne managed to get to gotham in record time without money or resources. obviously I don't want to see him in air travel for 20 hours.
My main problem with today's nitpickers and plotholes comes more from the fact that a lot "critics" are just brainlets who either aren't paying enough attention or are just too stupid to understand something so they call it a "plothole." Plus I feel like normalfag audiences watch these idiots to such an extent it's caused them to adopt a similar mindset so people as a whole have no interest in understanding film at a deeper level.
No. People like him (those who masturbate over their degree in film study) don't care about logic or the story, they're only interested in the emotion of a scene.
Most people call anything they don't understand a plot hole, but that doesn't mean that some movies aren't written so poorly that the plot is contradictory nonsense.
The emotion of a scene can be super important and what elevates one film or another
However, you're right about that. There are some people (the kind you're describing) who would love if Lord of the Rings ended with Frodo being the evil one and Gollum being the good guy, as "HOLY PICKLE RICK, IT REALLY SUBVERTED MY EXPECTATIONS" appeals to these people.
Did you faggots even watch the video don't answer that, a rhetorical question.
He can't even stay consistent on what the message of his own fucking video is.
>Did you faggots even watch the video
Yes, and he's a retarded fanboy of The Last Jedi
>People don't know the difference between a plot hole and a plot contrivance
The nuke would still rek most of gotham from that distance
BUT HOW DID BATMAN GET BACK TO GOTHAM? desu, most of Nolans brothers writings have quite contrived scenarios for the plot to work. Like Jokers plan, the water contamination and most of TDKR
>thing contradicts thing
he literally said that this WAS a plothole you retard
all the other complaints he talks about AREN"T plotholes
>LOL JUST TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF
But plotholes dont matter
>BUT HOW DID BATMAN GET BACK TO GOTHAM?
You have to literally make up fanfiction tier bullshit for it to make sense
He's clearly over compensating and stretching what is and isn't a plothole so he can defend trash like The Last Jedi
No
If a movie is good people will be distracted from plot holes
If there's a plothole that people become distracted by that means the rest of the movie isn't sufficiently compelling making it a bad movie
If people get bogged down by the plothole then all the movie has to intrigue people is the plot and that's a bad movie
>i dont like last jedi so i have to automatically disagree with everything he says even though he is 100% correct
ok retard
>100% correct
contrived isn't a plot hole either, and it's what most people mix up
not gonna even bother opening this video but for basic summer blockbuster popcorn shit plotholes dont really matter unless they are grossly obvious
that is not to say you can't point them out or consider the writing worse for them but you should know what to expect
you dont buy ikea furniture cause the design is top notch and only gets better with time, you buy it cause its convenient to purchase and transport, easy to assemble and cheap