Be a clearly innocent man

*could not write with his right hand

Part of a letter Allen sent to a friend while he was incarcerated for child molestation.

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Plenty of evidence pointed his way. The fact that he didn't get connected via fingerprints or handwriting is irrelevant. Fingerprints couls be messed up as many police officers touched the evidence with bare hands and handwriting can be faked easily

Didn’t he have a record of molesting little boys?
It was him

>latent homosexual

The Zodiac case is like the JonBenet Ramsey case. A few years ago one of the detectives did an AMA on reddit and basically said that they know who killed her, but couldn't arrest or charge anyone, because there was contamination with the evidence; there was DNA present from people who were not involved in the murder and they were never able to track down every single person who left every single item of DNA and rule them out, therefore there would always be doubts and questions on if one of those DNA samples belonged to the "real" killer. The investigator had the AMA deleted afterwords, because he was under the impression that it was private, and he had basically stated that the killer was a family member.

Later it came out that their prevailing belief was that Burke Ramsey, her brother struck her in the head with an object, and probably accidentally killed her, with the assumption that her parents then covered for their son to make it look like a kidnapping gone wrong.

youtube.com/watch?v=EfQr7E8HTQ8

reddit.com/r/JonBenetRamsey/comments/91tsju/mbs_ama/

He molested both little boys and girls. He used to watch the little girls bouncing on trampolines, and was an angry incel that lived in his mother's basement most of his life, and kept living in his mother's house after she passed away. The rest of the time he was living in a trailer park.

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he looks like commandant spangler from malcolm in the middle

One of the things that sticks in my mind from the Zodiac book was the shit-covered dildos littered around his trailer

Post yfw
>that's my handwriting

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why do retards find that scene scary?
it was one of the funniest scenes in the entire movie

He had a giant wooden dildo with shit on it under his bed which police found and a gigantic jar of Vaseline. When they asked Allen about it, he said he liked to experiment.

He also had a bunch of BDSM magazines and an audio recording of a child crying from being hit, which he said he masturbated to. He was also known to date a few giant landwhales just so he could get close to their kids.

doesn't fit the profile of the zodiac desu

I was sure he wasn't the killer, but I still felt scared for Graysmith since I could understand how he was feeling.

How can you look at all the evidence and say he doesn’t fit the fucking profile? If he doesn’t then who does?

thanks user. this stuff is always so interesting

I think because the movie set up a tangent of 'Allen is the killer' by presenting you with all of the circumstantial evidence, but then throws you for a loop by suddenly putting you alongside Graysmith as he figures out, 'oh shit it might not be Allen it might be this guy and I'm standing in his fucking basement at night and no one in the world knows where I am'.

He diddles kids so Yea Forums loves him

>that guy isnt the zodiac killer
>okay who is then?
>i have no idea but its deffo not that guy with mountains of evidence and motive

>no police record
>murder random idiots in very secluded and remote places
>use gloves, though not really necessary cause of point 1
how to get away with murder

You're the reason why innocent people like Michael Jackson are being so disrespected.

>doesn't fit the profile
>was an angry and lonely fat man child who wanted to date women but couldn't and also loved to write letters and be the center of attention.

circumstantial
psychologically he doesn't fit the profile

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>>The first murders happened around Christmas time. Allen's birthday was in December and he was supposedly depressed around that time.
>>Allen kept a special box with codes and cryptograms in it
>>Allen also wore a watch with the name Zodiac on it, which also had the same symbol
>>He wore the same size shoe as Zodiac
Wow, lock him up!

found the pedo

It's not what you know, it's what you can prove. Like my nigga Alonzo said

>Hollywood makes a movie telling the world you're a serial killer after you're dead and you can't defend yourself
Many such cases.

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>psychologically he doesn't fit the profile

>Zodiac was a letter writing attention seeker who murdered young couples

>The Son of Sam was also an attention seeking letter writer who murdered young couples, he turned out to be a fat lonely loser and retard angry that women didn't want him

>Arthur Leigh Allen was a fat loser who never grew up and was angry that women didn't want to date him and was an attention seeker who loved guns and knives and cryptograms, and loved to be the center of attention, even loving the attention he was getting as a Zodiac suspect.

Yet some how this doesn't fit?

>according to Yea Forums: pizzagate is real, area 51 has aliens, MJ is innocent, the holocaust was a hoax, jews are responsible for everything bad, and this man isn't the zodiac killer

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I firmly believe at the height of the media circus for spree killers the feds simply began to assassinate people they couldn't prove guilty in a court of law.
The Ted Bundys of the world don't decide one day just to stop. It doesn't fit their profile.

You skipped the part about the being at Lake Berryessa on the day of the murders and having a bloody knife in his car that day, as well as being ID'd by surviving victim Mike Mageau.

The witnesses and his own statements placed him at two of the crime scenes. He also knew Darlene Ferrin, with his name popping up as "Lee" in the case files prior to him ever emerging as a suspect.

Big deal. I have a bloody knife in my car too. Doesn't mean I killed anybody. It means I skin muskrats.

There were multiple Zodiac killers. Read “The Ultimate Evil” by Maury Terry and “Programmed To Kill” by David McGowan.

The book that this movie was based on was a hackjob
That said the movie is still great

>can't defend yourself
Nigga he did tv interviews where he talked about how it was all just crazy coincidence

youtube.com/watch?v=8t4VBKBWE04

youtube.com/watch?v=IivYpSsv3Eo

>had a bloody knife at the crime scene at the same date and time as a stabbing occurred
>Had a similar knife in his possession during a police raid to the one witnesses described.

I was talking about something that happened in the 1800's you unbelievable retard.

>had a bloody knife at the crime scene at the same date and time as a stabbing occurred
So? I'm sure I've had my skinning knife in my trunk around the same time stabbings occurred in my city. Doesn't mean I stabbed anybody. Quit being hysterical.

>many such cases
>I was just pretended to be retarded

No fuck you chuckle fuck. You made the retarded statement now you have to live with it

the mannor in which the murders were commited doesn't seem like him
does this(+ child molestation) stuff make him a sicko?
yes, but it aslo makes him look like someone who who would be prone to panic and mistakes, aka someone that couldn't commit crimes as cold-blooded and calculating as the zodiac murders were

>he owns a knife! clearly he's the killer!
bong logic at its finest

>I was just pretended to be retarded
Oh. You can't read or write. I understand why you're so confused about what I wrote now.

Nigga it wasn't in the city, he specifically at the lake where the stabbing occurred the day of. Other witnesses even described a suspicious fat man who fit his description wandering the lake prior to the stabbing.

Allen told the police that he met a couple at the lake who he couldn't provide any information for and said the bloody knife was from cutting up a chicken. And ofcourse the police would have to take his word on it.

The knife itself was described as a bayonet type knife with tape wrapped around the handle. Police found such a knife in his possession, shown in this photo.

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>I was just pretended to be retarded
i think you mean
>i was just pretended to be retarding

>shown in this photo
...Where?

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>it wasn't in a city
Oh. So it was out in the country where even a greater proportion of the people carry around knives. Great argument.
Face it, the guy was just cutting up a chicken.

>the mannor in which the murders were commited doesn't seem like him
does this

How so? Being a lonely loser jacking off at home doesn't seem like someone who was a lonely loser who shot women and then went home and jacked off? I mean that's precisely what the Son of Sam did. He shot the women then went home and jacked off.

> prone to panic and mistakes
>only dumb people can be child molesters

Allen had a high IQ. But second you're pretending the Zodiac was a master criminal, which he wasn't. He would have been caught had the crimes not occurred in the 1960's.

what a hack

>the mannor in which the murders were commited doesn't seem like him
Yeah okay buddy. So I guess your gut feeling is worth more than the mounds of evidence and motive. Unless you’re a literal profiler for the FBI, your instincts about his killing methods don’t mean shit. All we can do is look at the mountain of (circumstantial) evidence and decide whether or not it’s likely he did it. And if he didn’t, then there must be a better suspect.

I'm american and studied criminal justice. Allen gave the first hand statement saying he had a bloody knife. A neighbor also reported the bloody knife and the story is in police files on the murders as a tip prior to Allen ever being investigated as a serious Zodiac suspect.

Further Bryan Hartnell described the knife for police, which was bayonet with tape wrapped around the handle. The police later recovered a similar knife in Allen's possession.

>I'm american
Oh, so you're stupid.

>You can't read or write.
>It's a teenager discovers Yea Forums episode

Imagine having no argument that you whine about writing

McFucking kill yourself in minecraft

So why list a load of irrelevant shit about his birthday, his watch and his shoe size?

i can't believe he admitted it...

whats the profile

It's that knife in the right side of the photo with tape around the handle and the silver bit on the butt of it.

>Imagine having no argument SO you whine about writing.

leave him alone. he was educated in america, he can't help it

>he was cutting up chicken
>has two witnesses at the lake saying he was stalking around looking to kill people prior to the stabbing
>has a neighbor who thought a bloody knife was very suspicious
>Allen volunteers the info, because he thought the police were questioning him about what his neighbor saw, admitting he had a bloody knife

Imagine the levels of retardation one has to operate on to believe he had nothing to do with it, considering his name appeared in all of the Zodiac attacks except Paul Stine's prior to Allen emerging as a suspect. EVERY SINGLE CASE. He was even in Riverside when Cheri Jo Bates was stabbed to death and Zodiac penned the letters in her death.

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>has two witnesses at the lake saying he was stalking around looking to kill people prior to the stabbing
Was he wearing a sign around his neck that said "I'm looking for people to kill?"

Don’t forget
>don’t tell anyone
>don’t send messages to the cops
>don’t use the same weapon twice

the zodiac killer was probably one of the kennedy's

>irrelevant
>murders happen around his birthday
>Allen was depressed around his birthday
>Zodiac makes a phone call saying he has to kill someone because it's his birthday, it also happens to be around Christmas

>Zodiac wore a specific shoe size which was 10 1/2, and were a military brand shoe. Allen just so happened to wear the same exact shoe size and was in the military. In fact the killer of Cheri Jo Bates, a suspect Zodiac victim also left similar military shoe prints which were around the same size.

>Allen wore a watch that said Zodiac and had the Zodiac symbol on it. He got the watch prior to the murders, and that watch was the only place the name Zodiac was ever paired up with that symbol prior to the murders

I thought it was Ted Cruz

>but second you're pretending the Zodiac was a master criminal, which he wasn't. He would have been caught had the crimes not occurred in the 1960's.
how was he not?
he clearly carefully planned when and where to kill
at night/in secluded places with no witnesses around
and he specifically targeted couples, because who the hell wants to have sex/share intimate private moments with a bunch of people around
allen was awkward and shy
the psychological nature of such a man would not manifest itself in the way the zodiac murders were carried out

so why shouldnt i believe this man was the zodiac killer?

>birthday is september 11th
>must be a terrorist
Perfect logic.

They saw a suspicious fat guy who they identified as Allen as walking around watching people wearing a similar jackat as Zodiac, who seemed spooked when he saw one of the witnesses had a rifle. This sighting just so happened to occur right before Shepard and Hartnell were stabbed by the Zodiac, who had been watching them prior, and then walked behind a tree and put on his mask.

Impossible. The Zodiac Killer took responsibility for the people he killed.

Of course he was spooked. The guy was threatening him with a rifle and all he had was his trusty chicken knife. You call this evidence?

>a suspicious fat guy
could literally be any american

>he clearly carefully planned when and where to kill
And? So did Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, David Kerkowitz, even the Night Stalker Richard Ramirez.

>at night/in secluded places with no witnesses around
And? Pretty much every serial killer does that, even mentally ill and low IQ ones.

>and he specifically targeted couples
And? The likely reason behind that was there was something about couples that made him want to choose them as a target.

>allen was awkward and shy
Awkward yes, shy no. Allen had good speech and worked as a teacher, and was known to be confrontational and get into fist fights. He once strangled his brother, another time slammed a knife into the middle of a table, another time got into a brawl with several other guys.

>the psychological nature of such a man would not manifest itself in the way the zodiac murders were carried out
Who are you citing as proof of this? Allen was like a more aggressive David Berkowitz.

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I'm surprised his family didn't sue, but then again wasn't he a pederast? Either way, not Scorpio

>says he's depressed around the time the murders happen
>many serial killers have stressors precipitating to killing their first victims according to the FBI book "Sexual Homicide," which includes depression such as around holidays and birthdays
>Zodiac also calls and states in the phone call that he has to kill someone, because it's his birthday. The phone call came in December, which was the same month as Allen's.

How dumb are you user?

It proves he was at the lake prior to the murders wandering around wearing a similar blue jacket. And Zodiac also happened to be wandering around wearing a blue jacket at the same time.

Not to mention Zodiac stabbed someone, and Allen also happened to have a bloody knife in his car, and wore the same exact shoe size as Zodiac. Footprints from the stabbing were a size 10 1/2.

>innocent

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His family thought he did, why would they sue? His brother and sister-in-law reported him to police and told them how he had a special box he kept around and kept cryptograms in. They also reported an incident where he tried to physically strangle his brother.

At what point is there no longer reasonable doubt? Sure there was no hard evidence, but there was so much circumstantial evidence that it's crazy to think it wasn't him.

The only doubts in this case are because he never matched the physical evidence as far as the one DNA sample they had(which may not be Zodiaz), nor to any of the finger or palm prints(which may not be Zodiac's), and they couldn't get his handwriting to match, because the only right hand sample of writing they had from Allen was scribbles, and Zodiac specifically wrote with his right hand, while Allen usually wrote with his left.

Allen also happened to have the same writing quirks as Zodiac, purposely misspelling words.

He wrote in this letter: "Sattidy" instead of Saturday, as well as "Yer pal, Beeg Al."

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Another letter where he signs it "Yer fren, Beeg Al."

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Maybe you're the zodiac huh? Desperately trying to pin it on an innocent man

He can't be the Zodiac dumbass, I'm the Zodiac

oh shit wait where's the delete post button

I thought Zodiac was Ted Cruz's dad?

Big if true

found the pedo

not an arguement
>t.non american

I would just like to state categorically that I am NOT the Zodiac and never have been any Zodiacs.

>and was known to be confrontational and get into fist fights. He once strangled his brother, another time slammed a knife into the middle of a table, another time got into a brawl with several other guys.
>Allen was like a more aggressive David Berkowitz.
yet even more proof to support my theory
a guy that lashes out like that does not commit murders in the way these were commited
and heres one more thing
the very movie zodiac seems to point to the fact that allen did not commit the murders
just look at the scene were the detectives first meet allen
the shot where fincher shows the way allen walks has clear deliberation that indicates that he's not the zodiac
in all the murder scenes the zodiac walks calmly and surefootedly, while allen walks nervously, awkwardly almost with a limp
you might say "well it's just a movie" but this is a movie that's been meticulously researched so that every detail matches the actual real life events
therefore, it's certain that the body language and mannerisms of the number one suspect and of the actual murderer would be faithfully recreated and in the movie they clearly do not match and fincher wants to show you that they don't

i'm the zodiac killer

>You skipped the part about the being at Lake Berryessa on the day of the murders and having a bloody knife in his car that day
Why can't they DNA test the knife nowadays? The stamps were degraded but surely they would still have the knife with dried blood on it?

In a way, we're all kind of the Zodiac Killer.

I lol'd, underrated

He killed Darlene and the snot nosed shit head. Others were some nutcase

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lol 'psychological profiles' are on the same level as evopsych. that shit isn't real

>In a review of the literature by Eastwood et al. (2006),[9] one of the studies noted, Pinizzotto and Finkel (1990),[32] showed that trained criminal profilers did not do any better than non-profilers in producing an accurate profile. A 2000 study also showed that profilers were not significantly better at creating a profile than any other participating groups.[33]

>A survey of statements made in offender profiles done for major cases from 1992 to 2001 found that "72% included repetition of the details of what occurred in the offence (factual statements already known by the police), references to the profiler’s competence [...] or caveats about using the material in the investigation." Over 80% of the remaining statements, which made claims about the offender's characteristics, gave no justification for their conclusion.[34]

>A 2003 study which asked two different groups of police to rate how accurately a profile matched a description of the apprehended offender, with one group given a description of a completely fabricated offender instead of the real one, found that the profile was rated equally accurate in both cases.[35][11]

>There is a lack of clear, quantifiable evidence of a link between crime scene actions (A) and offender characteristics (C), a necessary supposition of the A to C paradigm proposed by Canter (1995).[36][37] A 2002 review by Alison et al. concluded, "The notion that particular configurations of demographic features can be predicted from an assessment of particular configurations of specific behaviors occurring in short-term, highly traumatic situations seems an overly ambitious and unlikely possibility. Thus, until such inferential processes can be reliably verified, such claims should be treated with great caution in investigations and should be entirely excluded from consideration in court."[7]

What is the name of this mental illness?

looks like Jay from RLM

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Also
patch.com/california/fostercity/has-the-code-of-the-zodiac-killer-been-cracked

>there was no clear cut evidence that confirms the suspect commited the crimes and because of that we didn't arrest him
wow truly astonishing

imagine not being american. jjust thinking about it makes me shudder

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There are conflicting opinions and, if the FBI ever constructed a profile, it is not public as far as I know.
>Dr. Lawrence Z. Freedman, chairman of the Institute of Social and Behavioral Pathology at the University of Chicago, studied the Zodiac's words and deeds in order to understand the mind of the murderer. Freedman concluded that the Zodiac committed his crimes because he was “overwhelmed with terror,” and “spreads terror because he leads a terror-dominated life, and he insists on his power because he feels powerless. He will be caught because he wants to get caught.” Freedman said that the killer’s behavior indicated he was most likely insane and suicidal. “In his suicide, he will be expressing finally what his homicides have meant to him. To those who gave him being but denied him affection or recognition, he is saying, however insanely, ‘Look at what you have done to me.’” Freedman believed that the killer targeted couples and “has struck out in savage rage against those who seem to flaunt an intimacy that he craves with an intensity which only the fantasy of the deeply frustrated human being can imagine.”

Here are some opinions of different behavioral psychologists.
zodiackillerfacts.com/PsychPortraits.htm
I wouldn’t put much or any stock in the handwriting analysis but it seems like they interpreted his actions against couples as a reflection of his own intimacy issues, which seem to fit Allen.

>the psychological nature of such a man would not manifest itself in the way the zodiac murders were carried out
Do you want to elaborate on that more? Are you an expert in deviant behavioral psychology?

>and he specifically targeted couples, because who the hell wants to have sex/share intimate private moments with a bunch of people around
You know this could just be the by product of your first point.

was greysmith suppose to be (non-meme) autistic person?? thats why everyone called him retarded

because the murders look like they were commited by someone with nerves of steel, and allen doesn't seem like someone with nerves of steel
>Are you an expert in deviant behavioral psychology?
no i'm just observing and making my own conclusions

"A thousand doubts don't make one piece of evidence"

F.M. Dostoevsky

No, they had evidence, such as eye witnesses, and were trying to build a case against him at the time of his death. He then died and they declared him the likely Zodiac killer. They even had a public meeting and said he killed at least three of the victims.

Then years later the DNA testing didn't match, which raised doubts and San Francisco deactivated their case, because they believed Allen was the killer but lacked any further evidence to go forward. They then reopened the case because of the movie and made no new progress.

>zodiackillerfacts

That's not even a good Zodiac site, you may as well be quoting that fag Steven Hodel. The guy who runs it is biased towards his own fucktard opinions and disregards anything that doesn't conform to his own personal autism. the guys who run all the other competing sites hate eachother, and love to whine about how everyone's wrong, everyone but them.

>Mike Mageau the surviving victim who saw the Zodiac's face identified Allen as the man who shot him

There, one piece of evidence.

20 years after the fact.

That page is literally just quotations from psychologists on what they think about the Zodiac killer.

...when he could not have possibly have gotten a clear look at the perpetrator's face

>yet even more proof to support my theory
How so?

>the very movie zodiac seems to point to the fact that allen did not commit the murders
No, it doesn't, Fincher even states the exact opposite. Further a movie isn't evidence.

>just look at the scene were the detectives first meet allen
That's not the first time Allen was spoken to by police in regards to the murders. He brings it up during that interview in the movie.

>the shot where fincher shows the way allen walks has clear deliberation that indicates that he's not the zodiac

Allen had a unique walk, the Zodiac did as well, with witnesses saying he shambled his feet. The witnesses at Lake Berryessa stated that he had a bit of a waddle, and the cops who encountered Zodiac after the Stine slaying said he shambled his feet. Allen had a leg injury.

>zodiac walks calmly and surefootedly
The only people who saw Zodiac were surviving victims, such as Bryan Hartnell and Mike Magaeu, as well as the kids who reported the Stine shooting, the officers in the Stine killing, and a father and son at Lake Berryessa, and maybe three girls who were at Berryessa who saw a man smoking a cigarette and checking them out who may or may not have been Zodiac.

>meticulously researched
No, there are things in the movie that are deliberately shot inaccurately, even using the wrong cars for scenes, or Zodiac using a silencer when he didn't use one, because Fincher said it'd look cooler.

>No, there are things in the movie that are deliberately shot inaccurately, even using the wrong cars for scenes, or Zodiac using a silencer when he didn't use one, because Fincher said it'd look cooler.
Kek. And if I remember correctly Graysmith and Avery weren't friends and never talked to each other, but they're made bros in the movie just for the sake of drama.

And? It's all cherry picked. The best way to evaluate him would be to focus on the psychological profiles of other attention driven murderers that left communications and the commonalities in those cases: Son of Sam, BTK, The New York Zodiac, Seito Sakakibara, etc.

I mean I could sit here and quote bullshit from Profiler John Douglas saying Allen was the killer, but I think Douglas is a lazy jackass who just cites personal opinion as his own and does little to no actual research much like these other people doing their own profiles.

>The New York Zodiac
Is he the hackiest serial killer?

You have a serious case of autism. Some random guy asked what the profile of the Zodiac was, I linked the first website that came up with anything approaching a profile, and you write an essay criticizing some loser admin of some no name website. Who gives a shit?

They knew each other but the movie makes it out like they were best friends and good buddies, which really wasn't the case. They worked together and Graysmith got interested in Zodiac because of Avery, but Avery was the guy who was most obsessed with Zodiac at the time, which the movie even mentions. He was the guy who connected Zodiac to Cheri Jo Bates' murder, which the Riverside police have been trying for decades to connect her boyfriend to, insisting that Zodiac may have just some how learned all the facts of the murder and took credit, but wasn't the killer. DNA testing that they had ruled out the boyfriend as her killer decades later. The same DNA though could not be run against Zodiac, because it was a different type of DNA, since there are different forms for DNA testing that are less exact than others based on the quantity of DNA that the police have.

>it proves
How?

>You have a serious case of autism. Some random guy asked what the profile of the Zodiac was
I believe I asked you when you kept harping about the profile, so I'm hardly some random guy.

>criticizing some loser admin of some no name website. Who gives a shit?

I asked you about the profile, then you gave me a shitty source. I mean I could have given you a shitty profile from John Douglas in his book, "The Cases that Haunt Us," in which he says Arthur Leigh Allen is Zodiac, but didn't, because I wasn't trying to be a disingenuous faggot like yourself.

Hé was clearly ass burgers in the movie. The way he fucks up his date with Chloe Sevigny and not even realizing it lmao

All true except for the last one

>Suspect says he was there with a bloody knife
>Neighbor of suspect says he saw that the suspect had a bloody knife in his car around the time of the murder
>Two witnesses say they saw the suspect at the lake wandering around watching people and wearing similar clothes as the killer
>The suspect also wears the same shoe size as the killer
>The suspect was also in the military just like the killer was believed to be, based up the military shoe prints and the manner in which the ligatures were tied to bind the victims
>The same suspect also emerged as a suspect in other cases committed by the same killer

At some point you're a retard if you can't connect the dots

Pizzagate is partially real. Area 51 was probably where they tested out new slick military shit like drones, which would have looked like flying saucers. MJ also is guilty and had "legal" forms of child porn in his home in the form of 70's "nudist" books that were created by members of NAMBLA. The Holocaust happened but was exaggerated and the numbers probably inflated because there was no internet back then to be skeptical over the situation; the Nazies kept track of the number of jews killed and it was a far cry from 6 million. Allen was also the Zodiac, but they could never manage to get the physical evidence to match him, because they may not have any from the actual killer.

>pizzagate is real
Every powerful person in America has fucked preteens in front of a camera, yes.

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>How so?
aggresive behaviour does not seem compatible with stalking out your victims, leaving them shortly after to give them a false sense of security, coming back, calmly walking out of the car, approaching the victims car, nonchalantly shooting them, walking away, coming back to shoot them again after you heard one is alive and them calmly driving away
it does not seem logical that the murderer of darlene ferrin would be someone prone to violent outbursts
>The only people who saw Zodiac were surviving victims, such as Bryan Hartnell and Mike Magaeu, as well as the kids who reported the Stine shooting, the officers in the Stine killing
and Mageau, the kids and Hartnell didn't say that he limped or waddled?
that's kind of odd,particularly for Hartnell, considering z walked directly towards him
if he noticed a distinct walk he would have said somehting?
i'll concede the movie stuff to you, where i admittedly was streatching a little bit

>aggresive behaviour does not seem compatible with stalking out your victims

Stabbing someone to death isn't aggressive? You're also reaching to try and make it sound like a violent person can't be a violent person. You're also trying to suggest that violent person can't pre-plan a homicide.

> murderer of darlene ferrin would be someone prone to violent outbursts
Ted Bundy was prone to violent outbursts, does that mean he didn't plan his murders? Jeffrey Dahmer had violent outbursts, did that mean he was just openly killing people in the street? No. Darlene also knew a "Lee", and this "Lee" fellow had been showing up at her diner and allegedly harassing her. Mike Mageau has claimed various things about the matter over the years claiming he thinks she knew who shot them. This prompted her husband to become a suspect at one time, as Darlene was known to cheat and sleep around and was a married woman in a car with a man who wasn't her husband when they got shot.

>Mageau, the kids and Hartnell didn't say that he limped or waddled?
Mageau only saw his face, and he said he was a big beefy guy with short curly hair, who was fat. Hartnell never saw the guy unmasked and only saw him as he came to them when Cecelia screamed that the man she was watching had a gun. He thought the guy was husky and sloppily dressed, and said he sounded like he had almost southern accent. He later said that Allen's voice was kinda similar and that it might be him.

Also the kids only saw Zodiac from across the street in an upstairs window looking down. They didn't get a good look at the killer, thinking he was younger and with a crewcut hairstyle. The police when they saw the killer, thought he was older, like in his later 30's-40's, and that his hair was receding like he was going bald. He was also fat, while the kids thought he was slimmer. The officers noticed he shuffled his feet.

why did you add a bltant lie with that last one to all those objective facts?

>mcpoyle
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