I know he was dumb but this is too much

No it's not essential, but many soldiers use them, yes. OP is retarded and posts this thread every few days for weeks now though

>drilling a hole through his helmet just to have a toothbrush holder

he was not a smart man

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REEEE THAT'S JUST THE HELMET COVER IT'S LIKE A PIECE OF FABRIC COVERING THE ACTUAL HELMET AAAHHH I CAN'T STOP POSTING WITH ALL THESE RETARDED QUESTIONS I KNOW YOURE JOKING BUT I CAN'T STOP ANSWERING AHHH

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in this documentary I saw there was this old VC soldier saying how when they found AKs on dead americans bodies they thought they were trying to trick them into thinking they were VC too when they heard them firing their guns in the jungle and got paranoid about it and only years later when he met an American vet as an old man did he tell him no it's just because the M16s were so dogshit the US troops would rather use seized enemy AKs lmao

>pretty much, the M16 issued to the troops in vietnam were notorious for jamming and needed constant cleaning.

Every rifle needs constant cleaning, even an AK has to be cleaned at least twice a day in an environment like that.

>has to be cleaned at least twice a day

have you even seen a gun in real life?

sure, but the 'nam M16 jam rate was too high and it got GI's killed.

An AK is much less likely to jam in dirty conditions though. Also much easier to clean in the field than an M16. Bootlace dipped in kerosene or diesel through the barrel could work as a quick clean for an AK.

SF and various recon groups did use combloc guns for that express purpose though.

Every gun need cleaning. But some guns are obviously worse than others. AK is improved German design from WW2. I never had M16 in my hands. Every gun can jam during fight.

Yes, and my service rifle actually was an AK variant. It's less prone to jamming than the internally more complicated M-16, but it still needs to be cleaned daily. And in the fucking jungle, you'll have to clean it at least twice a day if you don't want to the magwell to fuck shit up. Especially the mags and the magwell can be problematic

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>AK is improved German design from WW2

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>greasy looking toothbrush stored next to gun oil on his helmet

you ain't got no brains Lt. user

It is though, Stg44 was taken back to the ussr

It was the ammunition/bureaucrats that fucked up the early M16s. Fudds on the US Army Ordnance Board specifically fucked with the powder types of the ammunition/didn't issue cleaning kits and told soldiers they didn't need cleaning so they could keep their M14s around and not move to plastic fantastic.

Have you? Every soldier will tell you that cleaning your rifle multiple times a day is a normal part of being a soldier, especially in places like Iraq or Vietnam. Takes 5 minutes, it's not that hard.

'Nam vet told me they had to load their mags with 16 rounds instead of the full 20 because of how shit the springs were.
Thankfully modern AR platforms can handle mostly anything.

Don't tell me you actually believe Kalashnikov's bullshit about not being aware of the StG44. Of course the soviets aren't going to admit to copying anything.

>ak was a copy of the stg

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Please post that on /k/ and post the reactions here user, do it

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...

The concept of full auto medium caliber was adopted, but the internals of the AK and STG are fairly different.

The first AK prototypes predate the use of the Stg44 on the Ostfront user

Yep, fucking insanely dumb decision that killed a lot of americans for no good reason. If anyone else is interested give this a read:
theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1981/06/m-16-a-bureaucratic-horror-story/545153/

Wait....do you REALLY not know what movie this is? ...good god...

Wasnt there something about the 20 round magazine causing failures to feed in the earlier models as well? I remember hearing that GIs had to load only 18 rounds to prevent it.

I used an AK in Syria, cleaned it like once a week.

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>In studies of combat units during World War II, S. L. A. Marshall found that nearly four fifths of combat soldiers never fired their weapons during battle.

what the fuck

of course it was for his rifle

that's not you you bitch, i know that place and the dude in the background

You know Mark Ayers? Because I'm the other guy in the background and that picture was taken in May of 2015 in Northern Syria.

Yeah, I was there too. That's the academy near Dêrik, I was there one month before, April 2015. And the guy I mean is Michael Israel, the dude on the left in the back.

Not him but I took the picture and the other guy in the background is dead

No wait, that's not him. But the rest is correct. Huh, what a weird coincidence. Didn't they tell you to clean your rifle daily? Why the fuck did you just clean it once a week?

why?

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Type-56 from China, they all have those pointy bayonets

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Wouldn't that be really shitty to hold with the bayonet folded like that? Sure it's a spike bayonet so the edges aren't exactly like a knife but still.

No, it's not that long. In Syria, they only used those during the basic training, Chinese AKs have a bad reputation. No idea why they all have those bayonets, but they don't come without

It’s for blackening the stitches on your boots you niggers

This is interesting.... Who the fuck are you? We probably know each other.

You remember Reece Harding the Australian who died? Or Jordan Mctaggart, he woulda been with you.

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Well one of you is lying. I'm not 100% sure if that's Mike, but it could be. I think he also came to Rojava in May '15.

>first AK prototype
>looks awfully similar to the Stg44
>showed up after the war in 1946 all of a sudden
>"predates the use of the Stg44"

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most of the US soldiers in WW2 never even seen any action, the brits,ausies,canucks,slavs had a lot more action.

I never met those people, Reece died a few weeks before I got there. I don't want to doxx myself on here, but I've been in the mountains and at the academy with the Croatian, the second from right. Great guy

You telling me there are three retards who went to Rojava in this thread?

ooh, Jordan McTaggart was the anarchist, right? the American? he came to the mountains just a few days after I left for Syria, I only met him near Tell Abyad a few months later

soviets are a stubborn people, denying that they copied something is part of that.

But it goes all the way to the back of the handle in the pic.

>American """"guns""""

There's a reason the whole world uses AK47, even the shithole countries like Mosambique who adopted it as their national symbol.

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Holy shit... Yeah best guy I ever met. I lost contact with him after I got back, huge regret we spent months together.

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No wait, I confused Reece for that british dude. Reece died in June or July I think. Either way, I never met him.

zoomer fucking exposed

>Quote says COMBAT soldiers, implying that they surveyed only people who had experienced combat

It's a relatively well documented psychological phenomenon; men don't actually want to kill other men, even it they're trained, if they can help it

Yeah, Ivan was probably one of the nicest guys I met over there. Man, what a coincidence

big part of it is because they are really easy to make and cheap compared to a lot of western rifles.

Because it's easily manufacturable and Russia spammed the world market just so Americans had a harder time just barging into random ass countries unchallenged.

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That's him

Yeah it was a long fucking time ago... I better abandon thread this is getting too close to a doxxing. Crazy... What are the odds?

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This is actually true. During the Napoleon era where people moved around with muskets that shot one round per minute, most of the soldiers would deliberately miss the shot because they didn't want to kill the guys on the other side.

They had to introduce cardboard cut-outs of human beings for target practices (as opposed to the neutral looking bullseye targets) just to desensitize their soldiers and prepare them to actually attack other human beings on the battlefield.

>it looks similar on the outside, it means that they copied it!
Why are europoors allowed to talk about firearms?

I'm not sure why people pretend gunmakers don't base most of their designs on existing shit.

Almost got bingo on good taste tier, except for the shotgun. I like the SPAS-12 despite it being kinda shit.

t. seething commiefag

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I only remember that it's no problem, either it's not really that long or there's a gap in the handle for the bayonet

the movie is an allegory to the fact that no matter what white women do, become hookers, become junkies, burn the coal, get aids, white men will always be at their side waiting for them and support them.

>They had to introduce cardboard cut-outs of human beings for target practices (as opposed to the neutral looking bullseye targets) just to desensitize their soldiers and prepare them to actually attack other human beings on the battlefield.
I wonder if videogames had any effect on this not trying to be Jack Thompson

What's that shotgun in top tier?

t. retarded noguns

shortened trenchgun i think

It is russian gun and they are famous for stealing ideas. AK-47. Not AK-39. It is obviously STG design with some improvments.

Possibly, although I imagine sitting in front of a monitor shooting at people in an FPS is hardly enough to prepare you for actually killing someone out in the real world. Unless you have a genetic knack for violence and lack of responsibility/mercy (like most niggers), you'd still feel disturbed.

Looks like a sawn-off Remington with no rifle butt.

sup varg

But literally everyone does this. A lot of great guns were built on existing ideas. I don't understand why it's suddenly a problem when the Russians do it. Everyone does.

Well with the advent of the internet and other media like movies/television people here I assume are desensitized to violence. Of course it's totally different in a real life scenario

Actually took the time to read through this and it was fascinating, thanks for sharing my guy

Fucking faggots. Childhood with COD would turn these pacifist sissies to killing machines.

>sawn-off shotguns

I hope you enjoy having your fingers being blasted off from the shot blast.

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I don't get it either but don't ask me, ask russians why they insist or something that isn't true

well this bait pic might just end this thread

>It is obviously STG design with some improvments.
"No!"

>he doesn't brush his teeth with grease

Nobody has an issue with the fact that they copy weapon designs, just with the insecure faggots who deny it like it's heresy to point it out.

>soldier with blackened brush on his cover
This thread is full of disgustingly stupid people.

I know it's bait, but I honestly can't come up with a good counter argument, and no I'm not an anti-gun fag.

and she gave forrest&the kid aids to probably.

media-borne desensitization is is the biggest meme. you can watch ten thousand violent movies and still be overwhelmed upon seeing violent mutilation in person for the first time

It's not I've been there but I call bullshit. In some skirmish maybe, but in massed battles with thousands people on each side you'll just go with the flow

I don't say it is problem. I say STG - AK is best example in history. Nobody know about STG. Everyone know Ak-47.

fuck you

it's a at least a good point, no matter how much gunfags like to pretend it isn't

I guess that's a fair point. No reason to insist it was an original design in the first place because that's just how the industry has always operated. It probably had to do with how the Soviets treated everything back then. Everything was about Soviet greatness. Of course they couldn't admit that their great AK was based on a NAZI gun.

Well Finns took the AK and made the best version of it that exists today. The cycle continues.

>I know it's bait, but
No, fuck off. Learn more about firearms and history before posting stupid shit.
The Founding Fathers knew that better firearms than "1 round a minute" muzzleloader existed at the time and they wrote that with the intention to arm the population with military grade equipment to resist against tyranny.

>noguns europeon

>dropped more bombs than WW1 & WW2 combined
>still got BTFO by malnourished farmers
Why are burgers so bad at war despite having the biggest military budget?

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>great AK was based on a NAZI gun
Substantiate your claims, describe how both guns operate and why they are related.

I don’t know which army is worse, US for getting rekt by Charlie or the Australia army for getting beaten by Emus

>yuropoor

they underestimated the resolve of communist bug people

>"fuck off"
>continues to debate

Gotcha

>muh founding fathers
>muh tyranny
Real people are afraid of madmen with machineguns, not of fema camps

>Still not understanding that AIDs is a status as a result of opportunistic infections, and not transferable

Fuck man learn the difference between the two

>opportunistic infection
what does that even mean

US getting rekt is no surprise.
The troops were demoralized and they just had opponent who was given the proper training to the enviroment with superior weaponry.

It's a retarded point. Hand-cranked weapons and cannons were available at the time and completely legal under the amendment. It's like saying the first amendment was only applicable to slow manual printing presses and is outdated to deal with high-speed internet so we should revoke everyone's writing privileges.

>madmen with machineguns
so, the government

Have you tried fighting an emu?

I'm not sure about that. Watch ten thousand live leak videos of gore, cartel and other executions and tell me you aren't desensentized

>real people are afraid of hyper-sensationalized astronomically tiny statistical outliers and not the organizations that control their lives
We need machineguns to protect ourselves from you "real people"

Is it really surprising that dropping some 19 year old draftees from the midwest into some god forsaken jungle to fight hardened guerillas wouldnt go well

they're interchangeable in casual conversation you gigautist

>sticks and ak47s are superior to napalm, helicopters and jets
COPE

Actual gore is a special grey area of detached real experience. I wasn't considering it as a component of "media" when I used the word. I was only referring to fictional creations.

That's the result we got.
You should try again in an other shithole like the middle east and see what happens there so we could determine if it was a statistical aberration or if a dumb guerrilla fighter with a shitty AK passed down 3 generations is likely to surpass the american war machine.
Oh wait

No, I work in sexual health and specifically in HIV

They're literally different things

You dumb cunts. My father served for three years in Vietnam doing long range patrols. He personally had a CAR-15 but was intimately familiar with the standard M16s as well.

Just fucking clean it every day. Use your bootlaces at a bore snake and actually oil the damn thing. Yes, the manual says it is "self-lubricating" but all that means is that oil that you clean the rifle with will be spread throughout the gun just by the action of firing it. You still have to oil it dumbass.

Also, when you wake up in the morning, you MUST eject the round you kept in the chamber overnight. Humidity will have caused the case to well inside the chamber and will cause a failure to extract every fucking time if you don't eject it.

And for the love of God don't use an enemy weapon. Many times you can't actually see the target you are engaging and you are relying on your hearing to find them. If you start shooting an AK, which sounds rather distinct from an M16, you are probably going to get your ass lit up.

Based. Taking shots at shitty american logistics that exposed M16's flaws.

Earliest "AK" was in 46 iirc. And I think it even had lower and upper on a hinge.

>finnshit gud!
>why?
>IT'S GUD CUZ FINNSHIT, YOU GOMMIE!
Erry tiem.

>t. pozzed autist

>I wasn't considering it as a component of "media" when I used the word. I was only referring to fictional creations.
There is enough real life videos that encompasses all fictional media

They sent the early ones out without cleaning kits hence the jam stories and tooth brushes.
youtu.be/YAneTFiz5WU

the ar is actually far better in adverse conditions than the ak.

>They sent the early ones out without cleaning kits
And wrong ammunition too IIRC.

>It's another AR vs AK thread
>Not owning both

I'm surrounded by niggers.

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It's Saving Private Ryan retard

Are you stupid or you just pretending to be?

Zoomers calling others zoomers to pretend they aren’t zoomers, you gave it away so hard

What are you even on about here

You really are a fucking nitwit aren’t you

You still haven't substantiated your claim that the AK is based on the STG, unless you have something constructive to add stop replying.

>I work in sexual health and specifically in HIV
yeah and how is that relevant to casual conversation you socially stunted nerd? no one cares what you nurse homos say to each other

>And wrong ammunition too IIRC.
There's a good theory that the Ordinance Department intentionally sabotaged the weapon because it was the first major acquisition of an infantry weapon via a contracted company rather than something developed internally.

Because they're not interchangeable, you're just ignorant and then whining when challenged on it

>going over to fight in Syria
why is this thread full of literal redditors

thank your for your service

Ear rings were allowed in the army?

>WHITE PEOPLE BAD
based Zemeckis

they are in casual discussion tho, no one cares about your academic autism geekboy

>drilling
Mouthbreather detected.

I'm just parroting whatever everyone else has already said a thousand times in the thread. I don't actually know enough about them to know if they're similar. I think it's mostly due to similarities in how they look and the history around them. STG44 being acknowledged as sort of the first assault rifle but Russia had actually done very similar experiments some years earlier. It is possible that the AK is based more on those designs after they saw the power of such an assault rifle on the eastern front when Germans fielded the STG44.

Wow, they even let underaged now!!
Absolute state of Yea Forums

>English-speaking
>My service rifle was an ak variant
Now I'm curious, what country

Imagine having such an emotional attachment to the AK that you can't recognize when someone took the design and improved upon it. It was a great design. Finns made it better.

They absolutely are interchangeable if no one gives a shit about you autistic nitpicking

Since no one else is helping you out, the movie's Bayou Stump

Tropic Thunder

This is your education based on movies.

>Russia had actually done very similar experiments some years earlier
As early as 1915, in fact. The fedorov as a piece of crap but actually fills the "Assault rifle" definition much sooner than a STG.

Yes indeed. As far as I remember it's not even the only one. The very early attempts were made with full power rifle cartridges which was possibly the reason their true potential wasn't fully realized until the STG44.

The kid has HIV and at that point in time, we didn't have maintenance medication for it. It would've likely developed into AIDs eventually.

Can confirm this as true. Some soldiers even wrote 15 or 16 (some wrote 20 with a bar on it) on their mags to be sure to not make a mistake.

why dosnt his helmet fall off ?

Tis for the rifle milady

18 was still risky. It was usually 15 or 16 to be sure.

I wouldn't know about casual conversations between retards but human immunodeficiency virus is exactly what it's called, and acquired immune deficiency syndrome is also exactly what it's called
they are definitely not interchangeable

It's a spike bayonet, and it's recessed into the handguard, quit being a pussy.

I take it you don't know anything about how this war transpired. In truth you're an idiot.

There was a lot of walking in WW2. A LOT.

>There's a reason only shithole countries use AK47
Fixed that for you. NATO dabs on you with AR pattern goodness.

You clean your raifu with it you moron...

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yeah yeah you get the AIDS from bumsex we know now go lecture some crackheads about how to destroy their lives with drugs properly so we can be spared from your uptight pickled fuckhole

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>All these Americans revelling in their ignorance and insisting on being wrong because it's what they know

DON'T YOU DARE TEACH US I GET ALL I NEED FROM THE BIBLE

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But the AK...never jams

oh no, a foreigner spergs because he's called out for being a grade a retard!

a bloo bloo bloo!

>the internally more complicated M-16
Neither rifle is complicated and what differences exist are negligible.

i'm not falling for this one

>118278499
still gave him the (You) tho didnt you

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lmao

What the fuck, did two random volunteers in the K*rdish forces just post on a Yea Forums thread about the Platoon movie?

How come you guys were allowed to return back to your countries?

user... you know it wasn't actually a war right?

HE drilled a hole thought the fabric of the helmet , not thought the thought the actual armour you fucking retard

why the fuck did they use M16s?

>Hurr durr
Please try to even make a point if you gonna go down to name calling you child.

Army wanted them to.

technically yes

But some guns can fire for longer and under worse conditions without jamming.

please try to make a point beyond typical foreigner retardation that makes a child look more educated, thanks

Lighter weapons means that troops can carry more ammunition.

Shame about all the jams

A ham sandwich will not stop the ak

youtu.be/1xnb8w2zHS4

How does an emu even wage war?

Solid bait OP

Why? Why not use the ak?

Because its made by russians and using it whould somehow admit russias supperioty and evertime you fire it it whould jerk off the russians president ego?

its cheap and easy to make, not a good gun. its the ultimate symbol of communism.

because the M16 was issued without a cleaning kit based on what the Marketers sold the Army on, it was made out to be a miracle weapon that never jams and doesn't need cleaning

Carry 100 ammo instead of 50 but it jams every 5 shots

>It looks similar and predates the AK but they didn't copy it in anyway!
Eat shit burgerfat.

I forgot , then you fucking die

>I honestly can't come up with a good counter argument
>it's a at least a good point

No it isn't. It misses the point entirely. They did not write the law based on firing rate of any gun then or in the future or the advancement of the technology of arms which they knew was also inevitable. The law was put in place because

1) a citizen must be able to defend themselves. If it is with fists then that's fine, but if the enemy escalates, then a citizen must be able to defend themselves with whatever means they are capable. To acknowledge an independent actor you must necessarily see that they have the right to defend themselves, and by restricting the means of defense you necessarily further diminish their capacity to do all other action.
2) If you claim the right of the military and police to take up arms, then you must necessarily allow the citizenry to take up arms. If not, then you must necessarily say that the government is the guarantor of defense. If that is the case then all freedoms stem from the government and are underwritten by the government. Per the American model this is not the case; all rights stem from the citizenry and are organized by the government.

>external look = internal function
Oh wow, look at that an other inbred euro
Do you need a license to post about guns?

Exactly.
Its the main """reason""" for the whole war anyway, not to let Vietnam slip into communist influence. USA tried to plant their own puppet for years there but they either were corrupt fucks (surprise?) or incompetent/not backed by people (usually both).
NVA was better packed (by both China and Russia) and trained better for the warfare to come. USA was trying to wage war on PR point while the real people had real reasons to fight.

nah that argument is bs, a trained soldier could fire 3 rounds in one minute. Not to mention during the founding father's time, there were a variety of different guns capable of shooting multiple bullets in a row, some of the founding fathers personally owned guns of this variety too boot. So to propose an argument based on the idea that the founding fathers didn't have or couldn't imagine a gun that fired multiple bullets quickly is bullshit

>USA was trying to wage war on PR point
That's just what USA does in everything. It's never about the people or the real reasons they have. Such is the land of the free.

got to feed them contractors good

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Should I get an AR or an AK first? I only have experience with handguns and .22 rifles.

I don't know where that other user is from, but my central European home country had no problem with that

It really do be like that sometimes

They may not be complex but they operate on completely different principals. The AR platform uses a direct impingement system which forces gases directly into the breech to cycle the bolt carrier.
The AK uses a pushrod system where gases act against a piston that is connected to the carrier.

lol no
gtfo nogun nigger

north vietnam's strongsuit was its larger population, more meatbags to clog up the guns defending free people from communism

>t. never fieldstripped either rifle
Neither rifle is complicated, but the M-16 is a lot more complicated than the AK. The smallest part of the M-16 is the size of a fingernail, the smallest part in the AK the size of a hand palm. The M-16 also has more than double the number of parts than the AK. And I'm not sure what you mean with the differences being "negligible", they are not.

>allegory
isnt it pretty literal?

>loses to farmers

fuck off, neverserved cuck. your fudd daddy's rules for you touching his winchester doesn't count.

Durade - sandstorm

Me calling you faggot is just an allegory, what I'm really trying to say is that you're a faggot

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OP out-trolled

You're half right.
Their soldiers were better trained for the enviroment.
Their weaponry was more suitable (AK vs M16 etc.)
They knew the land and enviroment - where American soldiers werent ready to battle; where as SVA knew the area but didnt have the manpower until USA stepped in.
And Americans were totally demoralized, not wanting to battle - as they had no real goal to victory.
NVA had more manpower and they used it better than USA; basicly nullifying all the bombings (And their numbers even grew more larger as demoralized USA soldiers did atrocities).

that's true
ordnance department REALLY liked their M14, they sabotaged FAL as well, which was objectively a better gun and would be universal NATO gun if it wasn't for those assholes
They even kept shilling it well into the 80's after M16 was fully adopted, until the dinosaur in charge finally bit the dust

you're just spouting a lot of deceptive nonsense

The M14 can go sub 1 MOA. The FAL cannot.

I would never own a gun but if I had the choice of a rifle I'd go for an AR with wood furniture.

Aesthetic as fuck.

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Which is why the platform is kept on as a designated marksman's rifle. Standard infantry would have been better served with a FAL.

>The M14 can go sub 1 MOA.
Pointless luxury unless you're the squad marksmen.

This is a worksafe board dammit! Get that smut out of here!

the point is, for founding fathers having lived through revolution and under oppressive government, it was extremely attractive to have general musket armed citizenry to protect the republic.

meanwhile in 2019, still no tyrant in sight but US has unparalleled gun violence compared to rest of the world, number of people shot by police higher then all of them combined. This is the real threat for the people, not Obama creating the Church of United States and declaring himself king. To them, stricter gun control is more favorable alternative.

neither position is wrong but per se but keeping with one of them just because someone decided so two centuries ago definitely is. Especially if underlying cicumstances changed.

>muh constitution
is a document explicitely open to change, not a holy text. It's not like there weren't other bad amendments in history. Also good luck fighting government tanks and drones with your ar15. Or are recreational nuclear weapons the answer?

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do you ever take a look at yourself and the idiocy of your posts?

are you implying that a government would nuke itself? are you implying that an unarmed people are on equal terms when a tyrannical force seeks to enforce its will on them as an armed one?

>myth's

>the whole world uses AK47
Are you referring to the AKM? Because even then that's not true. You'd be correct if you were referring to African shitholes + the former Soviet Union but pretty much every modern first-world worth talking about uses or has used some derivative of the AR-15 in some capacity

>I would never own a gun

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Mine did one time on a 5 shot group

you got stuck at numbers and completely missed the point.

Or rather, you don't want to get it

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Wrong, the Air Force was the first branch to adopt the AR-15 and Army brass were the 1960's equivalent to the boomer meme and deliberately sabatoged the adoption of the M-16

>is a document explicitely open to change
Requires 2/3 majority in the House and Senate for an amendment alteration. Even gun control hardliners know that would never happen.
> Also good luck fighting government tanks
Why does the conversation always have to go to an all out civil war with the Feds?
Tyranny isn't exclusive to DC.
If a town had a corrupt Police department, it would be feasible for armed citizenry to contend with them.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)

But to humor your larger point, has not the last 50 years of US war been largely with guerilla type forces bogging down our campaigns into a quagmire? Vietnam, Iraq, there was no decisive conclusion.
A nation wide uprising can't be underestimated for how much of a logistical and ethical headache it would be for the Feds, especially there most likely would be military defection and foreign assistance.
And philosophically, I like the idea of any individual citizen, however remote the chance may be, being able to take out a politician.

you look at yourself. your talk about tyrants couldn't be more removed from reality of people having an ACTUAL problems with gun violence.

You make these asine hyperboles when all people want is to be "more like Canada".

The AK is not easy to manufacture

if you like canada you know where it is

I'd rather have school shootings that kill 100 people every week than be like Canada

anti gun people think that's what our gun violence is like

fair enough but don't be surprised when other people disagree with you

that's because you won't ever reproduce

But Palmetto State Armory isn't in Finland

>all these yuropoor noguns and obvious tankies ITT
Holy shit I like AKs but the fuddlore surrounding them is absolutely infuriating.

Russia can do it, of course it is.

bait
bait

jesus you morons respond to the lowest hanging bait it's sad

for every battle of athens I can give you ten examples of armed mob lynching innocent people or KKK straight up driving elected representatives out of town.

Mob justice is generally not a good thing

Pretty obvious I'm talking about organized conflict with centralized command.

>nation wide uprising
literally never going to happen

cringe

based

A fellow high iq poster i see, very nice user. Keep up the masterful detective work.

>he was not a smart man
That was established like 5 minutes into the movie

Let me guess 'THE US DIDN'T LOSE THE VIETNAM WAR THEY JUST FAILED TO ACHIEVE ANY OF THEIR POLITICAL GOALS HURR DURR'

Based Amerimutt

ah yes, there you are zoomer

It doesn't matter, StG uses a tilting bolt, AK uses a rotating bolt. End of discussion

>us: 58,318 dead
>vietnam: 849,018 military dead
>vietnam: 65,000–182,000 civilian dead
yeah big loss

noguns can't understand you, don't engage them in conversation

COPE-TALITY

War is not about who gets the most frags like a Call of Duty game. By that logic Germany won the second world war because they had the better kill/death ratio.

if you'd let the foreigner tell it, we killed millions of poor Vietnamese good bots that dindu nuffin

but at the same time we were also totally defeated by the communist armies

it's all so tiresome

You're also missing the point that literally every single founding father AND every court at the time dealt with multiple instances of civilians and private companies and their requests as per the 2nd Amendment. Not only did every founding father specifically state that they believed it was the duty of every man to be armed, but also multiple times have mentioned that they don't believe there is a limit on what arms you should be allowed to have to protect your own life and property.

This includes civilian landowners and merchant vessels being readily allowed to own cannons, which were considered weapons of war. But if you felt you needed one to protect yourself, you were allowed.

The most important point is, regulating what arms people are allowed to protect themselves with only can ever lead to more deaths, because criminals don't give a shit and will use whatever they want anyway.

I know. Learn how to follow the conversation on this mongolian basket weaving shadowplay, user.

Yeah they really showed us their might, imagine if america was actually allowed to try. might have broken 1 million kills

Which, based upon the previous scene depicting Gump as being very in-tune with the mechanical function of the rifle, indicates that he was actually pretty smart to carry around that toothbrush, and it had obviously been used frequently based upon how dirty it is. Gump was dumb, but he wasn't a completely useless retard, which I think is the assumption that most of the people in this thread came to.

Is no one else going to mention that three random people in this thread were at the same Army base in Syria in 2015? Who the fuck else was there?

Probably just discord users coordinating posts for le epic screenshots wouldn't put too much faith into it

Pro-gun people don't think they'd actually beat the government, it's just to prove a point. The government would have to KILL them to take their guns. How legitimate would the US government look if it killed 2/3rds of it's population simply because they didn't want to let go of their guns? Also, all the soldiers going around collecting guns? Gun owners. The suits in Washington would give the order to start confiscating and no one would follow it.

War according to all military theorists is about whose will breaks first. You are a pussy ass nation with no commitment and willpower who has to pull out after a few thousand casualties whereas the gooks pulled through and achieved all their political goals.

you're a goddam idiot

>looks awfully similar to the Stg44
As if visual similarities mean fucking anything for a gun.
AK47 does have a father like most guns, it's just not STG
thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/05/05/rifle-paternity-test-pinning-down-the-m1-garands-influence-on-the-ak/

A lot of guns borrow a lot from nazi weaponry, but AK isn't one of them

Complete load of crap btw. Look up who Marshall is and his methodology for his studies

hint: there's none, he did no studies and asspulled the whole thing

user, I can tell you have no idea how shotguns work, or any gun in general for that matter.

Do you want someone to teach you?

And you are a coping amerimutt with not a single argument on your side.

>people I disagree with are coping

typical foreigner dumbshit

But why would you put your fingers in front of the barrel?

>spazzing out over "AK47" vs "AKM"
Come on dude, I own two of them and even I still refer to them as AK47s when talking to laypersons.

There's too many nogunz in this thread, and none of them know what the fuck they're talking about. Best to not confuse them.

You are not disagreeing you are unable to argue your point, put your fingers in your ears and sing 'OH SAY CAN YOU SEE'.

>lynching niggers
>driving out nigger lovers
I fail to see the problem.

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>Be American
>let your retarded civilians have guns for no reason
>they kill each other with guns
>you send your cops who also have guns, who love to kill people that dont have guns
>never fix it

Based

that's what you do, but instead it goes something like this, "blah blah blah fuck america, blah blah blah"

>fix it
Fix what, user? I don't see anything wrong with the scenario you described.

The problems we have today are a small price to pay for freedom. You might not understand that, but Americans do, and one day you will.

>nuh-uh...y-y-ou
Brilliant.
I forwarded several arguments to support the undisputable fact that the US lost the Vietnam war big time. You weren't able to refute a single one of them. But I am sure you think you won the argument because you had a better post ratio on Yea Forums lmao

If I said I had claustophobia, and I really do, would I be made go down a hole? I assume it was just for semi elite soldiers.

I actually don't think you know anything about the conflict. Yes, I don't, and you haven't convinced me with your weasel words. Not that I expect that was ever your goal, you exist only to argue with americans.

War isn't just who kills the most. We lost almost 60,000 people for nothing. That's a MASSIVE failure.

I don't see a single problem with that scenario, except for the cops. If I gotta beef with joe shmoe, I should be able to go shoot him. If I suck, he should kill me. Two dudes settling differences. If I have something to live for, and so does he, then guaranteed we are going to settle it nicely because we don't want to die. You'd be surprised how smart and courteous people are when their lives are on the line. You'd be surprised how dumb and petty people are when their are no real risks.

Everyone knows the US lost the Vietnam war. You should stop now.

Maybe you should stop.

Get in the fucking hole

we have millions more, who cares

You said that several times without presenting anything but 'muh kill ratios' as a counter argument. Share your extensive knowledge of American military history then.

so much for the tolerant left

While true, that's a misdirection. 60,000 dead for nothing, no other facts are relevant.

>for nothing
Don't be a fucking retard, they died so 40 years later there would be a McDonald's in Ho Chi Minh City, absolute victory

This is my first post on this subject.

>unparalleled gun violence compared to rest of the world, number of people shot by police higher then all of them combined
How much brainwashing have you put yourself through to be able to spout such easily debunked nonsense such as this. Just look at Brazil. Look at the gulf between the numbers.
Not to mention violent crime in America dropping to Europe levels or below once you remove a certain demographic. Guns themselves aren't a statistical factor in any deviation of crime levels, knives are far more effective single-assault weaponry, especially in gun-impoverished countries.

>2019, still no tyrant in sight
Because you gotta get guns out of the citizenry's hands first, you uneducated neofascist.

>keeping with one of them just because someone decided so two centuries ago definitely is.
Not keeping with it just because it's not a certain arbitrary degree of novel is moreso. Your idea that it is wrong merely because it's old is childishness to its anti-intellectual core.

>It's not like there weren't other bad amendments in history.
So why add another?

>Also good luck fighting government tanks and drones
Isn't this a Vietnam thread? lmao

You know you haven't been replying to the same person this entire time.Also, the US forces were not defeated in any of the engagements. That has never changed. It was always through antiwar sentiment that the withdrawal was compelled.

Your civvies cared. They cared so much that you had to pull out. Pussy ass staying power.

In that case I'm joining the vietnamese.

a just a drop of water into the bucket

But user they LIVE in the holes

welcome to 461st edition of this thread

We have shootings here too, dumbo.

Dude, are you fucking American? That's commie thinking, you pinko.

why not clear the holes with a dense gas?

They didn't care about the soldiers, they spit on them when they came home and treated them like trash. they were just the beta version of virtue signalers

Those are not conflicting statements.

Thoughts on abortion?

Disagreement's okay but the moment you reach for his gun don't be surprised when other people shoot you for being an evil despot.

Good

This is some boomer lore bullshit

wrong, they're both incorrect assertions

That's against the rules, which is why you use defoliants instead, because those are totally not being used as chemical weapons

You were fighting a guerilla war, winning short term engagments had nothing to do with winning the war in the long war. The American population is unable to make sacrifices and has a shitty staying power. Your will broke and you failed to achieve any of your goals as described by Klausewitz or Sun Tzu thus you lost the war whereas commies triumphed.

>guaranteed replies

Here's another (You)

based

Only on their front line. I'll go further back and tell them everything I know if I get to live in a shack.

they established field of vision, they were not designed to attack people, everyone that isn't a retard tankie knows that

* in the long run

Rifles don't have teeth you dumbass, you're thinking of saws.

I'd believe it if it was about M14's, which were an absolute fucking disaster that predicated the creation of the M16

Whoops my white phosphorous got on you.

>Spray crops in North Vietnam with the express purpose of killing off their food supply
>Not chemical warfare

which is it? were they commie supermen, or hiding paramilitaries losing every battle but going on to continue the misery of war on their brother?

good goy prepared to die for israel

>muh warcrimes

every time, keep it up Moscow

you reek of some eastern Europe shithole

>whatabout moscowism

>which is it? were they commie supermen, or hiding paramilitaries losing every battle but going on to continue the misery of war on their brother?

Neither, they were the gooks that got you beat.

Based boomer fighting the Russian bots

you're literally a propaganda mouthpiece

what is so surprising, this site is made for failures and retards

what they were were criminals allowed to get away with murder

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You reek of cheeseburger and amerimutt mongrel genes. The notion that America DIDN'T lose the Vietnam War is completely unheard of outside of your failing nation. Unprecedented cognitive dissonance.

Yea Forums made me hate the US. Particularly /pol/.

that's nice, at least you admit you hate me because of who I am

Must be hard, living in some pointless shithole, so desperately clinging to any form of relevance. poor, unwashed, sad. but don't worry all this time you obsess over the US, no one gives a fuck about you or your tiny patch of mud and dirt.

>Also good luck fighting government tanks and drones with your ar15
>Implying that the military are going to start using high spec weaponry against their own friends/families
There's a reason that guerrilla wars are so difficult to win, and that's because every civilian in sight could potentially be packing heat. Do you really think that a tank or a drone would be able to respond to someone with an AR15 taking a couple pop shots at a convoy or a foot patrol, and then slipping away? There aren't enough tanks and drones to patrol every street in the country, so you'd need boots on the ground in order to control the public, and they'd be vulnerable if everyone had weapons. Unless your idea is that they'd just level every building in sight and reduce their own country to dust and rubble.

Was the entire USAAF during Vietnam a Russian shill?

I dont know you well enough to hate you personally. My hate is general. There has never been a more arrogant but also shitty people, at least in general and on this website.

I feel that way about you personally

My nation is one of the 4 biggest economies in the world. Nice not an argument, amerimutt.
You still lost the war.

>They didn't care about the soldiers, they spit on them when they came home and treated them like trash
Except they did because soldiers were an absolute cornerstone of the movement. Returning GIs have spearheaded protests and collapsed the morale of the military as a whole.
Spitting is a load of crap boomers used to demonize hippies and anti-war movement.
It's just a widely parroted meme despite being deconstructed by actual research

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spitting_Image

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Low IQ attempt at a come back.

you are lying

regards, knower

Which country hmm? come on you worthless poor little sack of shit.

>They didn't care about the soldiers, they spit on them when they came home and treated them like trash

That was a tiny percentage of the socialist youth movement, they were that eras antifa and they were loathed by everyone. The silent majority of Americans supported the troops well through the 1970s, and the hero welcome for the returning POWs at the end of the war resulted in huge celebration and a media circus of patriotism.

The notion that people chanted "baby killer!" And bullied the returning soldiers was something created in Hollywood in the late 70s and throughout the 80s. The actual leaders of the antiwar movement of the 70s were veterans of the war, not the miserable hippy cunts and their flower power bullshit who were an irrelevant small minority. In many of the later antiwar protests the vets in the crowds vastly outnumbered the college kids who marched alongside them.

>4th biggest
You Japanese or something?
Biggest is China.
Second biggest is EU.
Third is the US.

just being honest, the second half your post is actually quite spot on for how I view you, and I don't care what country you're from

Seething

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>not naming it
eastern European shithole as i thought

EU is not a country, brainlet.

How do you know I'm arrogant or shitty? You dont know me at all.

it can't be one of those, even russia's entire economy doesn't rise above ITALY!

Probably because this sad little retard is lying

I wonder what Russia's economy would look like if it took the Bratva business earnings into account

>the states that make up your bloc are more sovereign than mine.
However will I manage?

Counterpoint: We are not arrogant, you just have a chip on your shoulder from growing up seeing Americans on tv and seeing how good we have it. You import our culture.

That's not the definition of a nation, brainlet.

I've only seen your posts, and I think I wouldn't like you.

Lets take a moment and feel good about not being russian or any of its diet forms. truly won the lottery

ur a dick and i don't like dicks

jk i love dicks

you sound like a fuckin moron

>white genocide
>we have it better
I guess you arnt a white person then. Aside from white genocide my country has a higher HDI, quality of life and the same average industrial wage as yours.

It's good that you know but it's a real shame that evidence that supports knowledge doesn't exist.

agreed, did they ever have a chance, or were they always fated to be dictated to by tsars, party chairmans, and putins?

I've only known one slav and he was an angry manlet. Weird thing is, he was proud. Weird thing to be proud of.

Of course you dont like me. I have said Americans are arrogant and shitty. The fall of the US is right around the corner. At your own hands of course. You have already begun to turn on each other.

moments in time can't be found on the internet

You're right

also for any snowniggers reading this
>slavs
>white

It's either Japan or Germany, Amerimutt. Try to have a guess.

Anyways: Not an argument

You're a total asshole, and you belong back on /pol/.

But it's not America so I know it's not as good. I can't help but notice you are hesitating to name, "your country," hmmm?

silence ivan

>he was an angry manlet
Sounds like every Serb I've ever met

I would be foolish to give you ammo. Anyway, if you look for a white country, with the same average industrial wage and higher quality of life/HDI it should be simple for you to figure it out.

>didnt deny he is non white
Lel

>I've only known one slav and he was an angry manlet.
In my experience the only people that call others manlets are themselves short as fuck. Sad.

>So ashamed of his shithole he sees it as "ammo" to be used
why are Europeans such sad cowards?