Is there a more criminally underrated and underutilized genre than horror-erotica...

Bone chilling
Slow burn erotic horror that leaves you breathless

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Small parts of From Beyond, Cemetery Man and Reanimator fit horror erotica. I cannot think of a good movie that is entirely built around horror erotica though

>Also, aren’t most slasher films partly erotic?
Yeah. Horror films in general are. The whole 'defiling a virginal maiden' thing. Stabbing as a form of penetration.

the 'erotica' in 'horror-erotica' is basically redundant.

>Also, aren’t most slasher films partly erotic?

I mean, yeah; in a sense all of them are. The act of murder is heavily linked with sexual dominance in the human brain. Which is why lots of serial killers get off on it, and why a lot of women often get horny after watching a slasher flick. Physical power = sexual power

Hellraiser is technically this

Good subject and thread OP. I always look for this sort of stuff, I think The Company of Wolves is an erotic horror, although very subtle.

Thing is I know there's little kids who watch my movies even though they're not supposed to. If they develop a fetish over seeing a gory kill that's one thing, that's on them, because I never intended it to be sexual at all, but if I deliberately try to mix eroticism with gore or something and that ends up being their first sexual experience and they go on to become a serial killer or something, then that's on me. Children need to be protected from that kind of stuff and I'm not going to be the one who causes them to stumble. When I do write about sexual sadism or whatever I keep it off screen. I think that's a bit classier. Call me a puritan or whatever but my work does have morals.

You seem like a stuffy Puritan maiden though, I’m European, I need sex in my films or they don’t seem realistic because sex and desire is half of all life.

For me it's the nurses in SH2 and all of the other fleshy creatures and how they symbolize James repressed sexual desires and frustration combined with his guilt. Angela and Heather also have interesting aesthetic elements associated with their sexual fears, desires and trauma. Eros and Thanatos everywhere in these games.

That’s strange to me, quite Communist, that you restrict your art because of other people’s behaviour. I write too but I put everything in that the story needs, because other people are not my responsibility no matter how they react.

Kids shouldn't watch the shit to begin with. Murder, monsters, and mutilation is bad. Why get hung up on the sexual aspect?

Slasher films were partly inspired by a sexual paraphilia called piquerism.

Oh I get you but when fairly mainstream movies that are sympathetic to killers like Martyrs and even Maniac exist. I feel like anything goes in the realm of movies.

antichrist sorta

>sex and desire is half of all life.

I think humanity needs to ascend beyond carnal desires and instead embrace sustainable GDP growth as the primary form of gratification

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If you worry about children don't write horror.

lol communist countries like the USSR were much, much more restrictive

>I write horror movies. I avoid the sex stuff because I don't want to be responsible for fueling the fetishes of psychopaths.

So basically you're admitting that your horror will always kind of be toothless and lame because you refuse to tap into the darker side of your mind for inspiration.

I don't mind putting sex in in different scenes, but mixing sex with death and gore or whatever is a nope for me. I'm not European, thank God.

That's bullshit, though. The entire reason I write is to try to get a specific reaction out of people. I'm very, very careful about the message that my work puts across, and I do try to impart cultural values to my audience.

I agree. I get hung up on the sexual aspect because if those two wires get crossed early on they can totally fuck people up. Sex is a very powerful impulse and when it goes wrong it can go very wrong. I'm not going to associate sex with death, suffering, or gore in my work because I don't want my audience to make those associations. If I do draw those connections, it will be in a tasteful, abstract way that makes it clear this a a negative thing and so won't lead anyone down a bad path.

The west has for the most part, hence the fertility collapse.

Measuring anything in pure gdp is fucking stupid. A place can be all whipped and chained slaves and have a super high gdp because of how efficient they are

Bullshit. My work is great and wouldn't be improved by sadism. Get your minds out of the gutter.

There's a lot of daylight between sexual themes that permeate the human experience being used in horror and the substitution of sex with killing and torture.

Simon?

Cool post. You should do more of these.

watch Re-animator

Is Re-animator better than the Lovecraft story it is based on?

Because that's easily one of his weakest works and I didn't really enjoy it at all.

Does Beyond the Aquila Rift count?

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the movie is great and pretty much stands on the actors, jeffrey combs is great and barbara crampton is fucking 10/10 and full nude

>sexual themes that permeate the human experience being used in horror
This is vague. OP referred specifically to eroticism, i.e. deliberately stimulating the audience's sexual drive.

>the substitution of sex with killing and torture
Now you're just outright moving the goalpost lol

Is there sex in my work? Yes. Is there horror in my work? Yes. Do I try to horrify and sexually excite my audience in the same moment? No.

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It's a very loose adaption. Re Animator is a shock comedy first, horror second and it's great fun if you enjoy shit like Dead Alive and Evil Dead 2. From Beyond and Dellamorte Dellamore are worth checking out as well if you enjoy it.

Based

No.

Is Dead Ringers more erotic horror or body horror? Cronenberg's The Fly and Videodrome have heavy sexual elements, too.

>movies that are sympathetic to killers
>Martyrs
Wat

Salo and one scene from Man Bites Dog contain some non body horror erotica

The opening sequence is a girl murdering an entire family. I get it was revenge but she did murder innocents

And it wasn't presented sympathetically. It was gruesome, her friend was critical of this, the movie showed you that revenge didn't help, and she didn't get away with it.

You should check out the tourist, an una de movie about earth being an alien brothel, with HR Giger art and made in the 80s it wouldve been amazing

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To watch horror, use headphones, be in complete darkness for maximum immersion as in your brain will begin to hallucinate the scary shit outside of your control.

you sound like the least interesting person possible
why the fuck would I want to watch anything based of what you've written? You sound completely neutered and hollow, as well as defensive because you probably know that your work isn't accomplishing anything

>sex + horror
So, Irreversible?

Maybe because you don't want to be a presumptuous jackass?

>DID YOU JUST PRESUME MY QUALITY
Cry more.

You literally just fucking did.

We were supposed to feel bad for her character and understand why she did what she did after the shotgun massacre. It's no positive redemption story but we're not supposed to feel completely disgusted with her by the end. At least how I interpreted it.

horrorporn.com makes kino, check them out if you haven't.

Understanding why someone does what he does doesn't mean agreeing with him. The movie even shows that revenge wouldn't and didn't solve anything. The movie plays with the idea that a victim must be justified at all times.

If you haven't seen them Laid to Rest and Laid to Rest 2 do this really well. Usually slashers just killing don't really sell the sexual nature of the attacks but the acting here gives it that tint without making it all porny or over the top. Basically when he stuffs his knife in a girl and she starts whimpering and bleeding you know whats really going on. lol

>all horror is worthless unless it's ero guro
Imagine being this much of a turbopleb.

The vampires in Blade 1 took sexual pleasure in their debauchery. It basically turned into orgies when it was feeding time
Have you written anything of note? Genuinely curious. Not that I think people can't write horror without sexual undertones, there is a ton of that, but your reasoning seems to restrict your creativity. Instead of just saying -thats not my style of horror- you actively avoid it since you think people like Clive Barker and Giger feeds psychopaths.

one title per every 10 years is more than enough

gdp isn’t real

The horror genre is literally sadism put on screen.

I like how this thread is basically
>the virgin horror writer
vs
>the chad guro artist

>Have you written anything of note?
Yes.
>your reasoning seems to restrict your creativity
That isn't how creativity works.
>you think people like Clive Barker and Giger feeds psychopaths

Those guys peaked in the 1980s. That's a long time ago. Giger was somewhat sui generis and his style hasn't been done absolutely to death, but splatterpunk is a dead genre at this point and Barker doesn't write it anymore. You should note that BDSM aesthetics in horror is laughably stale regardless of whatever other point we're discussing. I'll go on record now saying that isn't my style of horror simply because it's so cliched.

I think it goes without saying that sexualized depictions of stuff like bondage, mutilation, murder etc. do feed the sexual fantasies of sexual sadists and I don't know how anyone could possibly argue otherwise. Regarding the origins of such paraphilias a lot of serial killers cite early exposure to pornography/exploitation material as awakening those desires to them, but you could argue those impulses were already in place and just waiting for a trigger, but in either case I want nothing to do with it. Yes, as a creator I do have a moral duty to my audience and my own conscience.

If you think that you understand nothing about horror.

This, if there wasn't something perverse about horror, nobody would watch it in the first place.

Why would you enjoy watching something you found 100% awful?

if you read higher-end horror genre analysis, you'll find basically every horror movie is highly sexual

Alien has the esthetic but its not erotic. the facehugger maybe, but the Xenomorph should try to rape its victims

Have you ever actually read de Sade? It's shocking at first, but once that wears off it's boring as fuck because he has nothing positive to contribute, and his work just gets more and more pointless the longer he goes on.

Here's an idea. Maybe the reason why people like horror is because it teaches them about their culture and their own values? Maybe people aren't just animals who switch their brains off whenever they sit in front of a screen?

If you read higher-end analysis of anything, everything is highly sexual.

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degenerate

What are some of your favorite horror movies?

based giger

This may be the most genuinely retarded thing I’ve ever read. Horror movies don’t inspire murderers any more than mortal kombat or rammstein inspired school shootings, and your suggestions to the contrary are emblematic of this new era of toothless, studio-dominated cinema fueled by political whores. People like you, if you’re successful enough to be noteworthy that is, are holding back progress with your faggy attitudes

Why, so you can point out vaguely sexual subtexts even though I'm talking about graphic depiction of stuff like sadomasochism and necrophilia? Here I'll make it easy: Rawhead Rex, Lair of the White Worm, and Gerald's Game.

>Horror movies don’t inspire murderers
Not even what I argued. Straw man. Your post has been disregarded.

Chill out man, I was just curious because I'd like to watch more horror stuff.

>Is there a more criminally underrated and underutilized genre than horror-erotica?
Vampire films have been popular forever, user.

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The original concept of the Xenomorph is highly sexual. Giger literally described it as a sexual predator. This is seen its penis-shaped head and the mouth-penis, which quite literally penetrates its victim. He wanted to creature to give off the feeling of being raped.

Not Giger's fault that his original vision was sort of bastardized and watered down over time.

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we couldve had this in alien 3 instead of that fucking dog runner

>if I deliberately try to mix eroticism with gore or something and that ends up being their first sexual experience and they go on to become a serial killer or something, then that's on me
Also you dropped these other phrases from the “I’m a leftist and you’re wrong” starter kit: “false equivalency”, “social responsibility”, etc

Those are some prime DSLs too.

>Gerald's Game
Good movie by you still a fag.

That's exactly what is happening now, and no "gratification" is being earned from it. International finance capital as the sole purpose of any nation, will inevitably turn the individual into a unit made for the exploitation of profit.

tl;dr fuck off marxist

>comedy horror

Tucker & Dale vs Evil is so underrated.

Eyes Without a Face, Angel's Egg, the Cabinet of Dr Kaligari, Nosferatu, the Crazies, Long Weekend. Don't really know what subgenres you're interested in, though.

Being worried about a possibility enough to avoid the risk isn't the same thing as saying it's a 100% determining factor in all cases as you suggested, and I teased out some of the nuances much more in a later post that you ignored. You tried to misrepresent my position through exaggeration for rhetorical purposes and I called you out on it. I'm pretty much apolitical. You are wrong, though.

have any of you been to one of the giger bars?

>That isn't how creativity works
If a good idea springs to mind, but you ditch it solely because you later think "but what of the children", then I'd say you have restricted yourself creatively. It would be something else if you just didn't delve into it, but you seem to actively avoid it even if the idea was good
>I'll go on record now saying that isn't my style of horror simply because it's so cliched
I find this reasoning much more durable since we are talking about horror, death and carnage. The moral obligation towards children you think you have just seems weird considering the genre. It's like something you have convinced yourself of because you won't admit that you personally just find it perverse (which is fine if you do).

I can't find anything on it, only the 2010 one.

It's been recommended a thousand times over, but House is pretty much the pinnacle of psychedelic, abstract, and comedy horror.

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>xeno with feminine lips
oh boy

>it’s boring as fuck once it’s no longer shocking

So... horror?

yeah looks kinda stupid, if they were going for the "sexual predator" thing they should go all out or at least change the atmosphere to be darker than it was. (Like adding alien reproduction, and toying with the crew etc). I know reproduction was cut from the film, but it was only a brief scene and was just changed a bit and thrown back into aliens. It should of been a concept the crew acknowledged and worked around earlier in the film if they were to go for that kind of feel.

>If a good idea springs to mind, but you ditch it solely because you later think "but what of the children", then I'd say you have restricted yourself creatively. It would be something else if you just didn't delve into it, but you seem to actively avoid it even if the idea was good
Creativity thrives on restriction. By concentrating the scope of what kinds of projects I'm willing to work on I actually one day finish those projects and moreover I'm not embarrassed to eventually watch them on screen and have my name attached to them because they're actually suited to my own tastes and morals. I'm pursuing my interests and not yours and there's nothing wrong with that.

>I find this reasoning much more durable since we are talking about horror, death and carnage. The moral obligation towards children you think you have just seems weird considering the genre.
Children can be exposed to tamer horrific and sexual themes with little ill effect, but I think those categories are best presented compartmentalized so children don't become confused. I used to watch R rated horror movies as a kid and I know children love that shit. They're part of my audience whether I want them to be or not (I don't), so yeah, I'm going to follow my conscience on that one.

>It's like something you have convinced yourself of because you won't admit that you personally just find it perverse (which is fine if you do).
Oh I do find it perverse. I've had to remove certain people from my life because they had sexual fetishes that just devolved over time to the point where it was causing them legal problems, and I wish I'd never known the person in the first place. Those aren't behaviors I want to encourage in society.

I don't really know. I haven't watched that many movies from before the 80s, been meaning to watch all those zombie classics. The Thing is probably my favorite but I enjoy it more for the tension and solid writing than the horror.

Fapped to every vid. So good.

lol fair enough. de Sade had some depth in that he satirized the institutions of early modern society, but it really isn't enough to make his work interesting after the shock wears off. You can sit down and watch a horror movie and not be scared at all but as long as it has some interesting ideas and deeper themes it won't be boring. 99.9% of the "tits and blood" shit doesn't have that.

>You tried to misrepresent my position through exaggeration for rhetorical purposes
Except I wasn’t exaggerating and you seem to conveniently ignore that what I said is 100% accurate: screenwriters for horror films adopting a moral stance out of fear for the mental safety of children is a surefire way to produce boring, worthless films and a fantastic method of stagnating the genre

Is that a real photo?

sure is

literally me on the right

You were exaggerating. I don't believe that horror films "inspire murders" in so many words. My position is that they give sadists jerkoff fodder and might possibly give them early exposure to sadistic imagery in childhood which can be a contributing factor to them developing sadism. You cannot argue against these points so you don't bother.

I didn't address the second part of you argument because it's beneath contempt. It doesn't hold true to my experience as either a screenwriter or a fan of horror cinema. It's entirely possible to produce effective horror that isn't fixated on showcasing explicit sexual sadism. In fact I'd go further and say that horror films that go out of their way to sexualize everything are boring, and if that's the only type of horror you're interested in, the same likely goes for you as a person, and I understand why you aren't working in a creative capacity. Horror has gone through several historical phases where sex was the main attraction, and those periods produced some incredibly formulaic and otherwise poor pictures, and I don't think the genre stands to gain anything by regressing to that past. I think if you're only interested in completely amoral work then you should fuck off to a pornography board.

How did you deal with that massive horn cutting through your chin?

Kinos for big titted chicks getting stabbed to death?

Feast

Unfortunately for your weak-minded arguments, I AM working in a creative capacity and I am not fixated solely on sexual sadism in horror. My point is, as a few others in this thread have pointed out, that censoring your writing for a genre that relies heavily on the audience accessing some of the darkest aspects of their personality, traits which make them uncomfortable or disturbed, is a questionable decision that has a history of poor results. I will agree with you on a few points, though, like sexual sadism being an important but dated component of horror films

I was kind of excited for It Follows but it was such a shitty movie.

>111 replies
>9 images
Fucking redditors

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>My work is great
People who say this are almost always wrong.

I focus on writing about things that interest me instead of things that don't interest me, and my career has had anything but poor results. You see, it isn't just moral qualms that prevent me from writing movies about monster cocks smashing naked coeds or whatever you want to see. I find that shit boring. You're demanding that I write scenes that don't interest me in types of movies that don't interest me and that I'd find boring to watch let alone write. That shit is trashy and I can't get exited about it. I think your advice goes beyond questionable into retarded territory. Here's a thought. How about instead of "restricting" or "censoring" my creativity by not writing things I don't want to write, I just continue to write scripts I actually want to write? How about that? Or are you too fucking autistic to understand that?

no u

Fuck off, you boring ass Larper.

>literally writing horror flicks for children
Nice bait.

Yeah, an alltogether dull affair focused on 80s kitsch. Shit actors,bad story? Who knows.

>Species for the sex-horror stuff
I'd like to add Splice.

>le “stick to your blockbusters kid” response
With the current trend in horror being either “subversions” a la it follows, babadook, etc or straight up shallow cash grabs in the form of sequels and remakes, the last thing we need is some “think of the children” dork injecting even more estrogen into the genre

Both, I think.

Imo that looks better than the actual alien design

>Half
Sex drives everything we do, directly or indirectly.

No, you fuck off. I write for me first. I'm not going to include messages in my work that I of all people disagree with. What kind of man are you where you'd bitch out on your own principles while writing something?

I write them for adults, simply with children who aren't supposed to watch them in mind (limited to psychosexual development stuff). Same reason why I won't feature furries or cuckolding. I don't want to give that shit publicity or help it spread. Nothing I've written has been release with anything under an R.

These are my scripts and I can do whatever I want with them. They're mine, not yours. You have no authority. Deal with it.

>failed writefag goes nuclear when called out

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The sparkling white, nice straight teeth were always my least favorite part of the original Xenomorph.

Made it looks too clean and proper.

>sex pistols

you mean like that game, AGONY?

Get off my board.

You're the same guy who spams those ''Jumpscare bad'' threads, aren't you?

>It's shocking at first, but once that wears off it's boring as fuck because he has nothing positive to contribute, and his work just gets more and more pointless the longer he goes on.
You just literally described the horror genre to the dot.

>sexual horror is just outlandish kink cliches shoehorned in.
You've argued much better than the other user, but I essentially agree with him. Your chaste idea of horror is a lack of range that you justify by the fact that there are no real "movies for adults" anymore. Kids are guaranteed to see everything. Violence could and probably should be censored the same way, as kids become an ever-bigger driving force behind the ever more infantile movie industry.

Yeah, you get to win and make money. It just leaves us grown-up audiences longing for a more ambitious era of movies.

They look way too humanoid

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Like this?

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Body repurposing should be used more

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>me on the right

Sure but what's the point? What are these things supposed to do? My dick needs to know to get on board.

When are the Japs and Germans going to spoofeed us the next wave of sexual insanity? Expectations are high.

This board is garbage because of you.

Danzig is releasing the Verotik film this year.

Writing in a genre is a lack of range to begin with.

I could write a sports comedy or Scientology propaganda but it would suck because my heart wouldn't be in it. Do you want to watch a ero guro written by someone who finds that subgenre tedious and reprehensible? Why not demand I write a magical girl anime or something equally arbitrary so I can prove my range to you? I'm a lemonade stand and you want kiwi juice. Move along.

Ero guro isn't a more "mature" form of horror. In fact I'd call it juvenile. Your assumption that my work is unsophisticated because it isn't ero guro is a bit of a reach. There are other themes and subgenres out there. In this entire thread I haven't actually said what ideas I DO write about, because no one has asked. Everyone seems to be operating on a "mean man say sex bad" reflex action.

I can count on one hand the times I've seen explicit horrific sex used effectively in a thematically meaningful way and handled tastefully, and mostly because it tried to disgust not arouse. That's a delicate thing. I wouldn't hope such a scene made its way through the production process intact, so I'll pass.

Anyway, I don't support censorship. Choosing what I want to write based on my own morals is not censorship. It's called writing.

No matter what the other anons here say, that is an adult and responsible answer I can respect

>I can count on one hand the times I've seen explicit horrific sex used effectively in a thematically meaningful way and handled tastefully,
So, could you list them, I know you're currently on defense mode but I'm genuinely asking and not trying to make a gotcha post.

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would you fug the spider-waifu

>Is there a more criminally underrated and underutilized genre than horror-erotica?
There is. Horror-erotica is for fucked up people. Plain simple. Sorry.

I love Giger, though.

Evil organization uses captured soldiers of a good organization as experiment fodder and turns them into living weapons

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Repeating myself here, erotic horror is not just monster torture porn. Would you write a slightly unnerving sex scene? Would you write a monster implied to be the character's illegitimate offspring? I get that porny guro or Giger doesn't move you, but there's so much more.

You're right, Alien is the worst monster/horror of all time. Would have been much better without that hack Giger and all his explicit sexual themes.

Not everything vaguely having to do with sex or reproduction is erotic (though some people try). My argument is that making your audience horny while at the same time showing them horrific imagery is generally a bad idea because it draws instinctive associations that are unhealthy for very young people.

Was anyone turned on by the facehugger or chestburster scenes? No, it was presented as disgusting. If anyone was turned on, it wasn't the filmmakers' fault. Giger's original designs were intentionally erotic (e.g. penis head), but the stuff that ended up in the movie isn't particularly erotic.

In other words, if a scene is horrifying enough, it won't be sexualized.
The granny scene in the shining comes to mind. I want you to acknowledge that not all horror with adult (sexual) themes is the moral equivalent of guro rape. Alien and the Shining both have sexual themes because their characters are adults, no desire to arouse the audience.

Sexuality is like a cell phone, present until it's explained away.

Vampire movies are this (more like erotica-horror), what do you mean by underused?

I already acknowledged that in my original argument when I specified eroticism not just anything having to do with sex in general.

This makes my dick rock solid but I wish an artist existed who did a femdom variety of this, with the mutilated/mechanised sub being cute traps and boys.

What's the limit then, your main argument is that wires shouldn't be crossed between arousal and terror.
-something horrifying happens during a previously normal sex scene
Is this erotica?
-attractive nude man transforms into a horrible monster
Is this furshit?

In Rosemary's baby she gets raped non graphically. It's crucial to the story, but kids shouldn't watch and a sufficiently twisted kid could sexualize that scene.
In your opinion, did they go too far?

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I love how HR Giger saw that there was something kind of disgusting and nightmarish about sex and the human body.

Would have loved to see him direct a porno.

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>what is giallo

w-why is this giving me a boner?

Really depends on the specific scene.

Seeing as how we're talking about my approach to my own work I can only really speak to that in the hypothetical. I do have a script with a sex scene that turns horrific, but the sex itself is presented as entirely unerotic as a point.

I haven't watched Rosemary's Baby in years. I don't remember that scene being erotic at all, just hairy. Can't say if they went too far or not without watching it again, but I remember they mostly just filmed it in close ups on her face with cutaways to crazy stuff, so I'll say no.

we're looking for something more subtle than just the mind of a rapist

becoming a very tall alien queen and giving birth to xeno egg face huggers and being able to smash my prey with my feet would be excellent.

That's Capitalism you fucking retard.