>The Minds Behind The Terror >Featuring Dan Simmons, David Kajganich and Soo Hugh, with Adam Nagaitis as a guest in episodes 2-4 podbay.fm/show/1370641215
Just finished watching Chernobyl. I am so sad. Why is the Russian political culture so harsh and deadly? I know it's bad to some degree in all countries, but they're a special kind of cunts.
It's not one of his plays. It's called Anonymous. Haven't seen it, but Collins plays Christopher Marlowe, so I'm guessing it's got something to do with the authorship of Shakespeare's plays?? Any Anons seen it?
Parker Kelly
She deserved to be happy. She deserved a better life. Why didn't you do anything to help her, bros?
It was directed by the same dude as Independance Day and is about how Shakespeare didn't really write his plays, but they were written by some lord who fucked his mom, Queen Elizabeth the virgin. Weird shit.
Soviet ideology does not value human life, death toll (no matter how big) is just a number.
They lost 22 million on WW2, about 50 million died and god knows how many were not born under Stalin, 15k died in useless Afghanistan war and 140k came home handicapped (in may cases without arms and legs - I suggest reading "Zinky Boys" to learn about it) and with all kinds of diseases.
Chernobyl to them was just another accident, but this time it affected the whole world and they couldn't lie about it like they did throughout the whole existence of USSR.
>series where everyone suffers, dies, or gets no good endings
I don't know why I enjoy this kind of stuff so much, but I do.
Xavier Williams
Crozier kind of got a happy ending. Though I'd just an hero if I were him desu.
How does Crozier's end go in the book?
Leo Reyes
same, I've watched the show three times and it makes me sad after every viewing but I keep coming back. did he? he watched all of his friends die, the mission was a horrible failure, he can never return to England. he exiles himself but I suppose it's bittersweet, you can interpret him as finally finding peace.
Charles Nelson
He gets to fuck Lady Silence though, so that's something.
Dylan Lewis
What the fuck, he's still alive? Why doesn't radiation poisoning make any goddamn sense?
Eli Ward
In the book he does, the show has a lot more sad ending. Stolyarchuk didn't get exposed to a shit ton of radiation. He was in the control room for most of the night while the guys who died either went into the reactor room or walked through radioactive water for hours.
Evan Cooper
>“Chernobyl” is as misleading for what it leaves out. It gives the impression that all Chernobyl first responders who suffered Acute Radiation Syndrome (ARS) died. In reality, 80 percent of those with ARS survived.
Elijah Garcia
this was written by a retarded person.
Landon Thompson
Shouldn't you be stalking Anita Sarkeesian, Thunderfoot?
>the way the men pull back in shock when peglar leans into the hug >then they avert their eyes and let the two gays have what will be one of their last moments together Broke my heart desu. How can one show be so wholesome?
>Soviet ideology does not value human life, death toll (no matter how big) is just a number. So when they organised the evacuation of Pripyat in record times for such a huge operation - they were not caring for their people? Or when they set up an exclusion zone for kilometres around (much bigger zone than real Lesov suggested, btw. He only wanted to evacuate immediate area but Soviet medics overruled him out of their concerns for people's health) were they not caring for their people? Or were they not caring about them when those firemen\policemen\soldiers that got affected by the radiation in the first night were rushed to the best hospital in the country (that looks nothing like that shitty building from the show) by helicopters (and because of that - most of them survived, despite receiving dosage that would be considered lethal back then) Or maybe you are just spewing propaganda that you were indoctrinated with since the day you first turned your TV on an watched a Hollywood action movie? >They lost 22 million on WW2 Just "lost" them, right? They went into some forest near their village and never returned, right? Its not like there was this genocidal regime in Europe that concluded there is only one race in this world worthy of existence and everyone else should be exterminated, slowly or rapidly depending on the situation. And that Soviet Union took the full military might of this regime on themselves and they fought for two horrible years, before their military allies, their coalition members finally decided to deliver on their promises and joined the fight, when the enemy pretty much had no army left. By the way, they were supposed to join back in 1942, but I guess they just decided to "value human lives" of their soldiers and sacrifice Soviet citizens instead. A sound decision, problem is - if Soviet Union decided to make a similar decision, there would be no Europe today. So show some fucking gratitude.
Noah Edwards
It is the same as asking why are all Americans inhumane degenerates that live in shit, after watching something like Idiocracy\Sin City. Because you watched a drama show that doesn't represent reality. The question you should be asking is why authors decided to base it around the real incident.
Ryan Martin
>So when they organised the evacuation of Pripyat in record times for such a huge operation You mean, after they decided they didn't need the exclusion zone to be anything substantial? Or after the BIG labour day parade where they ordered party leaders to go even though they knew it was dangerous? >A sound decision, problem is - if Soviet Union decided to make a similar decision, there would be no Europe today. So we should be thankful they cleaned their own shit up? You sound like a butthurt commie
He cried like a big pussy instead of helping at all. And he certainly looked like a tool when getting barked at by Dyatlov. At least Akimov tried to stand up to him for a sec.
>You mean, after they decided they didn't need the exclusion zone to be anything substantial According to Legasov and all the nuclear scientists it should have been much, much SMALLER, you dumb victim of propaganda. The area designated was unnecessarily HUGE because medics overruled their decision. >Or after the BIG labour day parade where they ordered party leaders to go even though they knew it was dangerous? The fuck are you talking about, on the first of May (labour day) people were already evacuated from Pripyat. The closes place that had a parade was Kiev and it is more than a 100 kilometres away, they were never in any kind of danger, even if there was a proper nuclear explosion at the Chernobyl it would have zero impact on fucking Kiev. >So we should be thankful they cleaned their own shit up? You sound like a butthurt commie You should be thankful that you exist and have the right to write shit on the internet, despite it being as ridiculously dumb as stating that Nazi Germany was "Soviet Union's own shit"
Camden King
>this post 800 rubles have been deposited into your account
Wyatt Flores
>no arguments As expected. All you can do is parrot propaganda from the TV screen and when confronted with your ignorance devolve into dank maymays. Stay based, retard.
Nicholas Martinez
Calm down Ryzhkov
Tyler Collins
>having a real argument >on Yea Forums Go dilate in your discord, tranny.
Carter Ramirez
I still remember this website before the shitty memes took over every board, god it was beautiful.
You don't know the half of it. Chernobyl wasn't even his biggest project. His biggest project was building Soviet gas\oil industry complex in the wilderness of Siberia, and despite all the geographical problems he had tremendous success there, the complex of his is one of the largest and most successful industries of this type in the world, that to this day remains a huge contributor to Russia's budget.
By 1986 he was known as a godlike manager and a problem-solver, that is why he was put in charge of Chernobyl incident and he did a very good job there, considering how IRL he had to manage and organise not one Legasov, but several dozens of very smart and somewhat eccentric academics of highest ranks, as well as all the other groups there, firemen, policemen, medics, various branches of the army - all of them. He also knew how nuclear reactor works, him being a highly-educated engineer.
Alexander Brown
I agree the Soviet government did try its best treating the victims and the whole affected area, but let's not act like the whole situation wasn't caused by their sheer incompetence and paranoia or that the Soviet Union didn't have an absolutely awful human rights record. They also did try to deny anything serious happened, but obviously other countries were able to smell their shit.
Robert Wood
He's the one who actually saw the reactor blow. And he went around trying to save his friends and find the good decimeter.
>but let's not act like the whole situation wasn't caused by their sheer incompetence and paranoia Read the pic. >that the Soviet Union didn't have an absolutely awful human rights record Want to know why it didn't? Because the record you are referencing does not exist. There is no international superorganisation of absolutely unbiased and impartial, computer-like, omniscient creatures that would give you a truthful report on the actual number of human-right violations in any country. >They also did try to deny anything serious happened, but obviously other countries were able to smell their shit. The report they gave to the international community (despite the implications made by the show) was not disproven in any way, even to this day.
And you are considering all of this to be "obvious" but this consideration is not based on facts. It is based on the conditioning that you received. Obviously Soviet Union tried to cover up things. What things? Who cares, its Soviet Union - that what they do, they lie, they are commies, they are evil - they cover up things. Nothing else matters.
>Swedish diplomats were in touch with Moscow inquiring about whether there could have been a nuclear accident there. But the answer they got was "no". Sweden warned that they were going to file an official alert with the International Atomic Energy Authority, and it was only then that the Soviet Union admitted that there'd been an accident at Chernobyl. sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=4468603
>the soviet union was more good than bad How many did stalin kill again?
Josiah Thompson
>The radioactive cloud from Chernobyl rode the wind over Sweden like an invisible dragon. The dragon didn't breathe fire. Instead it spit out rain. As raindrops landed, so did radiation, especially in parts of north and central Sweden, for example, the areas around Uppsala and Gävle, along with Västerbotten and others. And this is what I have to deal with, for fucks sake.
Why the fuck do I even bother educating people that are happily living in their ignorance, if all I am getting in response is a GoT fanfic from a Swedish journo. I guess its just my intolerance to stupidity, oh well.
To disprove this bullshit it is enough to say that by 28th of April (the day Swedes supposedly "uncovered the truth") the whole USSR was buzzing like crazy, with people from Pripyat freely sharing news of what has happened with the whole country for past 2 days. Because IRL no one cut the phone lines and no one forbade them from evacuating freely. Everyone knew that there was an explosion\fire on Chernobyl's power plant. Every international representative in Soviet Union knew that. The details were classified (because it is a standard practice for EVERYONE even today) but the fact that there is an incident - never, it would be pointless to do so.
Jaxon Phillips
European Ministry of Truth's new number is billion of gazillions, personally, with a flamethrower.
Brody Williams
based
Jayden Rodriguez
fifty gorillion, and no one died in western capitalist countries during that time period either
Brandon Reed
What about the russoshit ministry of truth, Ivan?
Logan Taylor
Let me reassure you that every time when they try to show KGB or soviet political life in "Chernobyl" they sort of fail. It wasn't like that. Especially ridiculous was the FatCommie in Minsk. Same with that bureaucrats going to people with armed soldiers - it was never like that. Same with Shcherbina threatening to throw Legasov from the helicopter. Same with Legasov living like a poorfag. Well, if he would be just an egineer, his flat would look correctly, he is a scientist, a professor. I suppose he could exist in better conditions. On the other hand - it mostly correctly depicted soviets trying to hide the shit. On the other
Brody Rogers
We are proud of putting nips in camps, so what
Ethan Ross
>he didn't read the script and find out the great twist with the shoe guy He was supposed to represent shit, it's a DRAMA not a documentary. Ivan, go cry into your borscht
Logan Hernandez
Oh, they agree with European one. Stalin was used as a strawman for past 50 years here.
It's the other way around desu and this is precisely the Soviet Union no longer exists.
Owen Roberts
>countries cease to exist because they do bad things Its comforting that in this world there exists an innocent, Apu-like creature that can maintain this worldview. I don't even want to interfere with it, go in peace.
Mason Clark
Based
Jaxon Evans
why the fuck do all these russians have british accents
Jackson Murphy
You prefer fake Russian accents from the same actors?
Isaiah Flores
kino
Owen Torres
imagine going through this show without realizing edward is best boy. Imagine the mental gymnastics involved in NOT coming to that conclusion.
None of the republics wanted to stay in the union when Gorbachev gave them the freedom to chose. None of the satellites in Eastern Europe wanted communist regime when Gorbachev told them they are free to choose.
When given the freedom to choose, majority of the people chose to ditch communism and Soviet Union.
If you made a referandum in all of the former SSR's right fucking now and ask them if they want the Soviet Union back, overwhelming majority would say no.
The USSR no longer exists cause the majority of the people didn't want it. Case closed.
So you are saying that this disaster, and by extension, the fuckery of the KGB and their secretiveness has no bearing on the current state of russia holy shit dude
James Richardson
crozier got his friend's leg torn off because he was a drunk that couldn't properly defend his men. Little has 0 flaws. In fact, LESS than 0 flaws.
Ethan James
As I have said, I don't want to interfere. It would take several hours for me to give you all the information required to understand the reasons behind the fall of Soviet Union. Hell, Gorbachev alone deserves at least a couple of hours of shitting on all of his policies that eventually led to it.
Brody Baker
no one on the boat was perfect crozier was just best boy
Camden Hughes
terror has been sitting on my hard drive for some time now, should i start watching it?
Ryan Watson
>commies >in MY /ternobyl/ Please go back to discussing the taste of Hickey's asshole.
Did the crew of the erebus and terror really die on the ship? Is there any proof? Its more likely they did the same thing the Roanoke settlers did, just live with the natives.
The KGB did literally nothing. This was Gorbachev's USSR, not Stalins.
Juan Smith
Gaybo
Jaxson Lee
I went hunting for degeneracy and found a fanfic where a girl writes about Legasov saving her from gopniks. There's something almost pure and sweet about it.
Me too. I was hoping for one in the flashback in ep 5.
Gavin Ortiz
>these yt comments I never got how a country that seems so homophobic like Russia has such a strong fujo presence. Also the video is very cute, even if I don't understand a word they're saying
Gabriel Harris
Why would Toptunov be singing at a time like this??
It’s a really good looking movie but it annoyed a lot of people because it’s nonlinear and depicted Shakespeare as an annoying fraud. If you already like stuff like Marie Antoinette or historical anime it’s fine.
Jacob Collins
Hey guys x3 Draw-person here! Willing to take some of your awesome requests ^b^ Please don't be to mean ( ^ 3*)
Fun fact. In real life Des Voeux was promoted to Lt. instead of Jopson, which makes sense since he was already a mate and lower officer. I don't know why they changed him into a murderous asshole while being so concerned about not portraying the real Hickey in a bad light.
Noah Sanders
It's just a sculpture of Tuunbaq's penis. Someone put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into that sculpture. What, exactly, makes it inferior to your watercolours, Irving?
Jack Scott
I said it was fine not great, let a nigga enjoy some costume porn once in a while