Communism kills incentives and stifles creativity

Schoenberg

Prokofiev is my childhood. I still listen to peter and the wolf every few months.

What you are seeing is the few tiny gems that somehow emerged from the best of the best survivors IN SPITE OF communism, not because of it.

>tfw when cockshott could have saved them

>jewmunism

There's also nothing more inspiring than socialist realism

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plebs and capeshitters were sent to gulag simple as

this. The most successful restaurant capitalism has spawned is McDonald's, not much quality either.

>/pol/tard can't argue outside of identity politics
Like clockwork

Correct. The best of the artists were anti-communist. Tarkovsky was censored.

lol yeah, they were filmed with public money in places built by the government with equipment purchased or built by the government using a staff trained and educated in soviet establishments but they made a movie "in spite of" the political regime.

Are you one of those retards that say "the Russian people beat the Nazis, not the Soviets"?

>Art from the Soviet Union was made just as an artistic expression not for profit
I hope you're joking.

>never heard of bergenstein

>Mainland Chinese film used to be Great under late Mao period & Deng period.
>Meanwhile their counterparts in Hong Kong and Taiwan in the 1970s and 1980s can only produce campy Kung Fu circus acts and shitty sappy dramas

>Now its a CGI filled shitfest thanks to liberalization.

WHOA You're right, OP.

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You're coming across as a little unbalanced, user.

iPhones, McDonald's and Walmart is peak capitalism
It's a shit system

Nothing says "balanced" like being an anti-communist cold warrior in 2019.

hard times create great movies?

This.
Tarkovsky had big trouble making his films, later on he was exiled. His son claimed that he could have made 1 film per year if the government wasn't fucking him over. Same goes for Vláčil who was forbidden to direct feature films for 7 years during communism. Government tried to fuck them over. What's so amazing is that they persevered.

Have ever watched Tarkovsky?

80s Hong Kong movies are awesome fuck you

Kanye West

capitalism is poison to art

Hard times make everything better except for day to day life. The struggle is what drives us forward.

That all makes about as much sense as saying that a guy who worked in Hollywood his whole life but ended up having problems with studio executives or finding it difficult to get his projects financed is an anti-capitalist making movies "in spite of" their entire structure.

First of all soviet "communism" was just another form of fascism.
Second: ideology doesn't mean shit, people are still people, you can create a beautiful art under any regime. And yet still, that doesn't mean you can build a proper industry, which soviets didn't have and Russia doesn't have today and they can't compete with US economically and culturally speaking.
And lastly the influence of art on human life is greatly exaggerated, art is mostly pointless SHIT, russians had a great literature and music in imperial times and look where they are now, it did not help them in any way, soviets still raped their culture and made zombies out of people. Mass-produced "art" can be a great weapon of influence, you can spread your culture and make money on it but you'll need a proper industry for that and you'll have to compete with others and fight for markets which is almost impossible especially for modern Russia. (same goes for Germany)

Toby Fox

>First of all soviet "communism" was just another form of fascism.
American education, everybody.

>econd: ideology doesn't mean shit, people are still people, you can create a beautiful art under any regime
brainlet take
art is intimately intertwined to the place & time & forces of its creation. nobody is building sistine chapels today

>communists
>culture
lmaoing

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Dmitri Shostakovich was a memeber of the communist party and he's one of the best classical composers ever. Meanwhile, America (((the homeland of capitalism))) hasn't produced any composer with a talent even remotely close to the soviets.

>anti-capitalist making movies "in spite of" their entire structure
isn't that what the whole art house crew wants to be though?

kino 2bh

Wtf I love economic slavery now
Heil Mao

No it doesn't. When you are blacklisted in hollywood you are blacklisted. When you have problems with a studio, you can move to another studio. Tarkovsky had to compromise, the religious themes in his films were disliked by the higher ups. They deliberately made him wait and stalled the production of his films. Communist were banning films and directors. Ucho was shot in 1968 and wasn't released until 1989 because of communist. Vláčil got axed for a long time. Before that he was perfectly fine, making the best films he ever did. So yes, it's not comparable at all.

>It's an user thinks Communism is good episode

yeah it surely has nothing to do with russia having a long tradition of classical composing.

>ideology doesn't mean shit, people are still people, you can create a beautiful art under any regime.
You have to be kidding.

That is just the innate quality of the Russian people which let's them create great works only under immense suffering

Marxism is a retarded religion.
There no such thing as true communism.

It's the most retarded religion in the world.

>That is just the innate quality of people which let's them create great works only under immense suffering

ftfy

Communism is literally identity politics.

Elaborate

He is not wrong.

>>meanwhile at Jewlywood...
soviet montage was just Russians trying to replicate DW Griffith.
Eisenstein said Snow White was the greatest film of all time and it greatly influenced his later films.

>muh working class
>muh class war

Delusional.
There's actually nothing wrong with identity politics either, only idiots think it's bad.

Yes the art was great, and there was no drive for profit, however it was a double edged sword, (particularly with regards to art that has a more discernible 'meaning' such as film, literature, theatre etc rather than music, dance, painting) :
while works like those of Tarkovsky, Sokurov, etc got funding, presumably much easier than they would have in the west (if at all), they were likely to be subject to censorship, or being outright banned after being made. The silver lining of course was that during Perestroika and after the fall many of these films emerged in their original variants.

So the difference was essentially the following:
In the West you struggle to get funding and may not get it at all
In the Soviet Union you'll get the funding but you have no security after the fact

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How do we throw all communists out of helicopters?

Is there any movies about that?

Class is a material condition not an identity

Kek
It was impossible to get funding in the USSR unless you were strongly politically connected.

George Gershwin :^)

go to VGIK and you're all set

>he actually unironically believes in the religion of marxism including all of its flaws
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

How does this even happen to people?
Kill yourself.
Also yes identifying with the working class is identity politics.

Art is struggle.

No struggle, no art.

Why do commies lick so many boots?

Didn't Tarkovsky present false script while asking for funds?

Actual post-comm poster here. In capitalism, the goal of the artist was to convince those with money that art sells. In communism, it was a question of convincing the authorities it propagates the ideas of marxism-leninism. Or atleast that it didn't go against them. And while there definitely were some pretty exquisite works of art made under the communist regime, most of them came to be despite the regime. Also, look at the volume. Hollywood produced hundreds of movies. Some of which (maybe most) were utter schlock. But even then they made more memorable movies than soviets.

That's because Soviets never moved on from classical music.

Unironically Trent Reznor.
These guys get it. Key word in the latter post being "despite". Because communism isn't pro-expression. But when you forcefully censor people, an opposite reaction is only natural to occur.

i've heard of other directors doing stuff like that, wouldn't be surprised if tark did it too
bela tarr said he used to do it up until he retired

It's not like the US didn't have its own version during the Hays code era and currently the MPAA. Unfortunately, the people running the studios are more than willing to bend over for the MPAA because it's not banning anything that actually sells.

What are some anti-commie kinos? I've watched pic related recently and it's absolutely incredible. Poland is also pretty adept at shitting on communism.

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Also it's really ironic that this was made by a die-hard commie under the pretense that "stalinism isn't real communism, guys!"

Same reason soviet-era paintings are so 10/10, and post-war Japan is among the most kino of kino. Struggle makes people ramp up their effort.
All art was made by and for the state in the union, and if you made shit it would reflect on the state who would proceed to at best disenfranchise you at worst torture and/or kill you, so you lubed up and made something great

Poor post user
Undialectic even

Reasoned dicussion can lead to greater understanding of the world around you. There is no reason to fear it. Cast down these feminine emotional barriers you have erected and seek education.

Thanks for this.

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t. has no actual idea what life was like during communism

You mean that during Stalin and for the most part Krushchev, people wasn´t scared shitless that they would be dragged into the Kremlin and shot or sent to the gulag at the whim of high-placed officials? Excuse me, i watched "The Death of Staling" twice, i think i know what im talking about