I unironically think Mike might be on to something but he's not quite there
>Death Star thing is the start of the movie, or maybe the middle >Big fight on top of it between Reylo >She gets some shit to go back in time using the Millenium Falcon for some reason >They stop Luke from turning on Kylo >Kylo becomes a good boi >jedis restored >'Skywalker' in the title is Luke, not Rey >All about Luke's redemption because Hamill threw a fit about what Rian did to his character
The next trilogy then goes from there and skips forward a hundred years or whatever to set up something new.
Mike and Rich thought they'd have to go WAY back to set something up, I actually think the whole movie will retcon TLJ and allow them to go forward from there
They always sound retarded speculating about the future of Star Wars. >le it's gotta be lightside vs darkside, they can't do other things because I'm rich and I say so >dude star wars is so friggin stupid compared to Star Trek >d-dude I wasn't wrong about JJ Abrams!
Anthony Bailey
Second option:
>going back to fix Kylo and Luke isn't far enough >they go back to just before whatever the fuck planet it was had a blockade in TPM >the next trilogy is them retconning the prequels by doing them properly >it's kino >wes anderson to direct
Isaiah Long
You know that's what they're going to do though
Don't deny it
Eli Stewart
>It's a Mike hides behind a jaded, more cynical-than-thou persona to pretend like he isn't just another fanboy making baseless speculations and is really some industry expert
Oh wait, that's every episode.
Oliver Rogers
The time travel theory has been around for months. The washed-up Mike Stoklasa is trying to keep himself relevant by stealing the ideas of others. Sad!
Elijah Bennett
Sauce
Christopher Ward
They might be right but these videos are not as good compared to their Star Trek videos. They predict what boring shit they will do with Star Wars but don't have interesting takes like with Star Trek.
Sebastian Young
This tbqh. Mike seems to lack self awareness. Every opportunity he gets he attacks retarded Star Wars fanboys. It seems to have escaped him that he’s a 40 year old childless man that talks about Star Wars and Star Trek 24/7.
Brody Diaz
There were time travel leaks posted here like 6 months ago. I’m sure someone in the thread has the screencaps.
Noah Wilson
If they do go with a time travel story, what does Rise of Skywalker mean?
Nolan Kelly
Time travel is a solid possibility since the Rebels TV show or whatever already had it in place. Still, if they truly go with it, Disney will have all but admitted that they fucked Star Wars up SO MUCH that the only possibility of going forward is to go back. What a fucking mess. The only thing that could prove to be even more retarded is the SW stuff those Game of Thrones guys are making. That one can be even more of a disabled spectacle.
Leo Hughes
Even when it's a video about Star Wars DCucks get BTFO
Isaac Turner
Luke, not Rey, which is why it's phrased that way
Chase Hall
Reminder that Yea Forums has been discussing the possibilities of Rey being Shmi for months.
Jackson Wood
Literally where
I haven't seen a single Shit Wars thread here in ages
Cameron Flores
My prediction is it'll be a shit movie.
Hunter Howard
theres not gonna be time travel in a star wars movie
these guys are fucking dumb hacks
Nolan Cook
today... 2 threads
Adam Robinson
Search the archives, retard, anons have been speculating about Shmi and time travel for ages. Here's an example post: >tfw she's revealed to be Shmi
After the dumpster fire that was the last movie it’s clear all bets are off. All Disney cares about is holding onto as much IP as possible to shovel shit with it
Jaxon Morris
Threads about Daisy's feet don't count
Brayden Long
why not? think of the potential user, you could go back to the earliest movies and have the new characters engage with old characters, so you could re-sell from the old toyline AND the new toyline.
and not like boring granny and grampa luke and leia, but imagine having Kylo and Reylo fighting over the sarlac pit, or saying hello to Qui Gon Gin and Jar Jar Binks, it's gonna be great
Caleb White
>All Disney cares about is holding onto as much IP as possible to shovel shit with it This is so mind-boggling. They throw every kind of shit at the wall with no planning or regards for the future. People fondly remember old Disney classics to this day, so much so that a lot of them are willing to go see those movies again but remade with real actors or CGI now. What new properties or movies by Disney will people love and rewatch in 10 years? 20? Marvel stuff and Frozen would be my only guesses, while the list of rich and thriving IPs could've been limitless if not for the retards that run the ship.
>mike backtracking over jj abrams quote >I ONLY MEANT THAT HE SHOULD DIRECT, NOT THAT HE SHOULD WRITE TOO
fucking embarissing alcoholic.
Nathan Wright
The most mind boggling thing to come out of this is that nor only is JJ Abrams writing, but so is the writer for Batman V Superman and Dawn of Justice.
Isaac Howard
>the only way to redeem this is some fucked up time travel plot OH NO NO NO NO NO he yo-yos
John Jones
that would piss people off even more 2bh
Chase Bell
Just like these Star Wars movies.. RLM does nothing but retread old ground these days.
Nathaniel Cook
Guys are these Wars of Stars movies worth checking out? I’m starting to discover American cinematograph just now, have never seen an American movie before in my life, and would very much like to know your opinion.
Josiah Thomas
I legitimately can't believe they're still milking this, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to defend RLM, they used to make fun of channels that did exactly this.
>She gets some shit to go back in time I mean, some shit? Time travel is a canon established thing at this point. Hell, it was presented changing a single moment. Access to key moments is what it best facilitates. Now how would they introduce a concept from Rebels in Act 3 of the ST? I have no idea, but it's doable, obviously through the Force.
Tyler Turner
it doesn't matter to me because i have no interest in watching any more star wars movies
Jaxon Russell
The original Star Wars in the 70s was a mass cultural phenomenon and deserves to be seen. It’s not considered a masterpiece but it was a very influential American movie.
David Russell
>that nor only is JJ Abrams writing, but so is the writer for Batman V Superman and Dawn of Justice. how do people succeed in hollywood despite all indications they are not capable of doing the job?
Ayden Powell
Rey is a Skywalker. They are backtracking her parents bring no ones.
WTF are rlm suppose to do? Shitting on Star Wars is their bread and butter. What do you want them to make more movies?
Noah Long
I just want to know how are they gonna write leia off
Ryder Nelson
the world absolutely does not need another movie from the guys that made space cop
Luke Smith
In the cartoon they had time travel, Sheev was in there too so it makes sense that they will retcon everything with that.
Connor Reyes
So much for the Mike/Plinkett boycott.
Logan Reed
Rich is way worse than Beard and AIDS combined >morbidly obese manchild >always wears comic shirts, but cant answer ANY comic question Jay or Mike have >has a video game show, but says stupid things like 3D mario games shouldn't have controllable cameras and is blatantly bad at video games in general >thinks being a cynical, nitpicking autist is the same as intelligence >flat out didn't understand basic character motivations for Civil War despite being a huge MCU fan >starts REEEEEEing when chat constantly BTFOs him >nostalgiafag who only likes shit from his youth >has an obnoxious "I fucking love science" attitude >can't pronounce words >forced catchphrases >meme laugh >actual plebbitor >confused by Yea Forums >has a tranny fiance >allows Mike to bully him on a daily basis >doesn't oppose people being tracked by the government with chip implants >only ever funny by accident when he fucks up and gets made fun for it, his real sense of humor is "lel so randumb XD" tier >claps at the end of films >has never had actual fruit in his life and is convinced he'll hate it because he doesn't like sodas with fruit flavors When did you realize Rich was actually worse RLM and is the embodiment of amerifat retard? I'm gonna go ahead and say that I personally think Rich is the worst member of the crew. Even though Beardfat takes things too seriously, he always sounds like he knows what he's talking about and he showed several times that he has technological knowledge and AIDSmoby offers insightful commentary many times. Rich manages to be both an embarrassing nerd and seemingly have no real input into the movies they're talking about and is only there because he's Mike's friend. When Mike isn't around to put him down, he acts like an obnoxious prick and the only real value he offers is that he does the grunt work for them (buying merchandise for videos, building props, etc). He's basically their employee and is only in videos because Mike likes him.
I can't believe it took them 4 STD videos to finally admit that the show is awful.
Jacob Bennett
they don't seem like they closely follow the franchise outside of the movies. they didn't know that time travel was introduced in one of the cartoons
Dominic Hernandez
Most people here are 17-20? When you reach 30+ you will be like these guys are now, a little bit more each day. You have given up but it somehow rolls along still. At least they are funny on occasion.
>I can't believe it took them 4 STD videos to finally admit that the show is awful. Did we watch the same videos?
Justin Reyes
Yes Rich and his REEEE laugh is the worst thing about rlm
Carson Miller
>The original Star Wars in the 70s was a mass cultural phenomenon and deserves to be seen. It’s not considered a masterpiece but it was a very influential American movie. The Original Trilogy is overrated. For all the "MUH dialogue" shit about the PT, the OT failed in one crucial aspect: "Show, don't tell". They told us how strong, powerful and influential the jedi are, but the only things actually shown were mind tricks, telekinesis and supernatural perception. It lacked gravitas and despite all the MUH FORCE I didn't really "feel" it. But people are blinded by nostalgia and cope by saying that the PT is the one who shows power "too flashy" instead, despite the PT showing powers that actually fit the dialogue aboute Jedi in the OT much better. As for ST, I won't touch the disney garbage anytime soon. If it's complete I might watch through all of it for amusement but I am not sure if I can force myself to do it.
Kevin Green
Where the fuck you from m8?
Kevin Gray
>like these guys are I mean what are they like now? I can't think of a single defining trait they have, they're incredibly safe as far as YouTube reviewers go.
Nathan Price
>Rey will actually walk on the sky
Wyatt Smith
space bounty hunter keri russell will save us all. although i dont like her helmet that much
Can't believe they didn't say Rey is really Shmi Skywalker when talking about the time travel stuff
Jayden Rivera
Cute little booty
Aiden White
disney is stupid but not that stupid
Nathan Rodriguez
They made a Country Bears movie, wouldn't put anything past them
Colton Scott
>When did you realize Rich was actually worse RLM
The prerec streams. AIDSmobys dad humor grow on me and Rich cane off as more mean spirited and cunty than I realized.
Luke Martin
WRONG.
Hate to disappoint you all, but the movie will be more boring and lame then you can all possibly imagine. THIS is what happens my lovelies:
Palpatine has been communicating with Kylo, corrupting him, and has in factbeen corrupting both him and Snoke since the beginning. It was all the Emperor corrupting Kylo via snoke, Sith holocrons and Vader's mask. The movie ends with Rey using a huge antenna on the second death star to transmit the tale of Luke Skywaker, which sparks the spark which will light the fire which then burns the first order down which will be shown in a montage similar to the one at the end of Return of the Jedi (1997 version onwards).
His first prediction would actually make for a somewhat decent ending. However it does nothing to salvage the mess of TLJ. His time travel prediction is retarded however it does fix TLJ by breaking everything else. It does feel like he's right with one of those.
Samuel Lopez
All true, can confirm
Logan Stewart
>to transmit the tale of Luke Skywaker Didn't that happen like a couple of decades ago. Why would people not know that tale?
Aaron Jones
how can they not know that time travel is already canon in the star wars universe?
William Scott
>The prerec streams Yep
Aiden Sanchez
>His first prediction would actually make for a somewhat decent ending. However it does nothing to salvage the mess of TLJ. His time travel prediction is retarded however it does fix TLJ by breaking everything else. It does feel like he's right with one of those. Timetravel is the only hope for expanded universe to become canon again.
Nathaniel Flores
Something goes wrong so Rey loses her nemories as she travels back in time and takes on the name Schmi Skywalker
Kayden Lee
>time travel is already canon in the star wars universe Wait what?
Jose Barnes
>which will be shown in a montage similar to the one at the end of Return of the Jedi (1997 version onwards). this sounds awful. are they really doing a clip show? or are they going to take what they did with tarkin in rogue one and kick it in overdrive? i can't imagine which one would be worse
Camden Richardson
I was wondering the same thing
Henry Morris
Introducing timetravel is always canon breaking by definition. Look at MCU, it's fucking nonsense. Their long saga ended with them defeating one of infinite alternative reality Thanoses while infinitely more Thanoses are still undefeated. It's just all nonsense as soon as you start time jumping.
Cooper Ortiz
Our feminist icon Rey becomes a single mom and is raped by sand people.
I don’t think this will fly.
John Howard
The animated show had it and seeing how darth maul was in the Solo movie i would assume all those events are canon
they're probably too busy with rlm to watch star wars cartoons
Jose Baker
After traveling back in time to get luke's lightsaber, she arrives in the present to defeat kylo with it but then in order to fix the time paradox has to go back and give lightsaber to the orange frog woman. She then accidentally saves her own young self from bandits or something and puts her own self on Jakku therefore becoming the "parent" she was looking for. Fucking hell this is retarded enough to be true. Sounds just right to me.
Elijah Myers
I can't blame you for forgetting all about Force Awakens, but remember what they did?
Rey: "Luke Skoiwolker? I thoght he woz a myth!" Finn: "A map to Luke Sky- OH YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!"
Luke is a myth in Disney canon. They HAVE to get his story out somehow, redeem him in the universe and to the fandom. That's what they're going for.
But wait, there's more! And it's a SCREAMAH! Palpatine is JUST a recording, lingering with some dark side energy to corrupt Kylo. He's NOT coming back.
why don't they make content for anything other than disney?
Jose Thompson
they make plenty
Kayden Williams
>Luke is a myth Why though? Didn't he defeat the evil empire that controlled the galaxy? He get medals for it and shit. How do they not know who defeated the empire that controlled their own fucking galaxy?
Parker Stewart
Rey and Kylo fug and then they get sent back in time as part of the plot but Kylo dies and it turns out Rey was Anakin's mom but Anakin sucked all the midichlorians out of her body which is why he was super strong.
Jose Walker
no bullshit i am really hyped for the episode 9 threads and memes
i have no interest in seeing the movie but the shitstorm will be fun
Jaxon Jenkins
It was 20 years ago user. Just like nobody will remember 9-11 in 2 years.
Thomas Martin
Do you know the name of every Seal Team 6 member?
Jacob Howard
To be fair, most people DON'T actually know who did 9-11.
Nathan Ward
I think the time travel idea is too far out there. My money is that Rey will be a 'clone' of the emperor. It would answer her heritage, why she's so strong and i think there's an EU plot like this, like Palpatine genetically engineers a perfect force user as some plot. Then you can have some clone facilities on the destroyed death star that the first order wants so they can make clone storm troopers and Rey discovers who she is yadda yadda
They basically release 1 video a week, between HitB, BotW and whatever other garbage they put out, so you're basically stuck with whatever has the highest public interest.
Charles Hernandez
Rey being Shmi is the only way to save Mouse Wars, but the Disney kikes would never do something THAT kino.
Levi Smith
solo whined about the compressor the second he stepped foot on the ship all she did was remove it
Anthony Cruz
If there was a guy who dueled Hitler one and one and won WW2, I'd know his name. Last time I checked Osama didn't occupy US or did anything at all really.
Hunter Diaz
From these episodes, though, it seems like Star Wars rules time travel is pretty much fixed - it's not like Ahsoka died in the main timeline, but then un-died due to time travel. She straight up disappeared, then reappeared a year later. That leak was all about C3PO projecting Luke's story, not Rey. Rey barely knew Luke, and he was mostly just a grumpy jerk toward her, there's no reason for her to be the one trying to champion him.
Nolan Rivera
Maybe people just didn't believe that a jedi killed the emperor as jedi's were believed to have been wiped out after order 66 and so people saw it as more of a folks tale than it actually being true?
Elijah James
don't they make like $50k a month from patreon alone? is it really that difficult to sit around in a decade old set drinking beer?
Jason Peterson
why are you hating sounds like a dream to just sit on your ass and shit talk movies and still make good money off of it
Josiah Taylor
Fuck off RLM shill
Alexander Carter
Why eaxctly do they think that the Star Wars setting is inherently limited to Rebellion vs Empire type stories? They just keep repeating that but they never justify it.
Grayson Johnson
He literally said that though,so what the fuck are you on about
Sebastian Lee
they're lazy is why I hate patreon it doesn't motivate them at all makes them complacent I want them starving
Jaxon Watson
Because thats what popular star wars media is always about.
Nolan Price
>Why eaxctly do they think that the Star Wars setting is inherently limited to Rebellion vs Empire type stories?
Because they're creatively bankrupt. The Star Wars galaxy in the pre-Disney era was so much bigger than just Rebels Vs Empire shit. Fuck Disney and its horde of shill niggers.
Luis Fisher
Who cares about 3PO. All credit goes to Rey, you woman-hating droid-supremacist bigot. SHAME!
Kevin Young
Are they saying that modern Hollywood could only treat Star Wars as Rebellion vs Empire or are they saying that the setting itself can only ever be that? I get the impression that they're saying the latter, which I don't understand.
Leo Reed
>more of a folks tale Dude had a royal parade with medals and shit
Jonathan Williams
>they're lazy how? they constantly pump out content
Jackson Carter
clearly you have a star wars business plan (that doesn't involve the empire or rebellion) that disney is dying to pay you money for
Lincoln Butler
They're retarded and don't understand that the concepts of Sith, Jedi, Force and light sabers are fun enough to carry the whole big universe. Those are Star Trek fans user, don't expect them to understand
Elijah Rivera
But what does that have to do with the types of stories that are possible in a given setting? I don't get it.
Hudson Cruz
Disney seems to function on this logic. There was some game being produced where you were a random rogue in the Star Wars universe and all these Disney execs were like "where is darth vader, where is C3PO" and axed it.
Henry Edwards
>you have a star wars business plan (that doesn't involve the empire or rebellion) Yeah it's called George's original sequel plan. Which is what they'll do anyway after botching this trilogy and rebooting the timeline.
Jonathan Barnes
I liked how they almost exactly recreated Warhammer 40k lore with the Corpse Emperor on the Golden Throne and the cult of Ewoks keeping him alive with their energy without apparently realizing it.
Josiah Richardson
well it depends on taxes and how the money is split it might not be that much really
Leo Robinson
>star wars business plan (that doesn't involve the empire or rebellion) How about PT, it has neither
Ethan Young
imagine disney trying to sell something set in the kotor era. the audience would just ask "BUT WHERE'S R2D2"
Joshua Fisher
That was in A New Hope not Return of the Jedi
Easton Adams
I was thinking the same thing while watching it. I really hope something like this happens and disney gets sued by games workshops. Not that I like games workshops, I just want this to be a bigger mess than it's already going to be.
Jackson Martinez
Yeah user that's the whole point of making new big budget movies, you're supposed to create new shit for people to get excited about rather than calling back to old shit.
David Brown
same, yub nub for the god emperor
Kevin Taylor
>shit on star wars >watch bad movies on vhs with friends that's all they do? oh right the occasional review thingy but that's it
Nathan Hall
Is that fruit thing actually true?
What the fuck is it with amerimutts and not trying anything out of pure stubbornness yet clearly having health issues.
Jose Gray
JJ can't direct for shit just look at TFA the camera work is abominable
Joshua Scott
Didnt that guy won an oscar for Argo?
Jaxson Gomez
Jews. It's not rocket science.
Hudson Green
Every time I watch one of their post TFA Star Wars videos, I wish someone would strap Mike down and force him to play KOTOR 1 and 2. Rich has him convinced Star Wars is a small universe and you can only do one story. Both games, specifically the second one, prove that theory wrong. They both keep talking about what they want from the franchise and KOTOR did it all better than any Disney trash ever will.
I don't want Rich to play them because he sucks at video games that aren't RTS autism simulators and his criticisms of games makes it harder to ignore the fact that he's a goddamn moron.
these fags are OTards they never touched nothing from the EU for them it's AT-AT's and X-Wings the only thing you can have in Star Wars
Angel Hill
it's a true (((mystery)))
Caleb Wright
Their worst video was when they reviewed the original Sonic the Hedgehog and said it was terrible and didn't hold up because all you do is run forward and die.
Their footage was just them continually dying and they had no idea that all you had to do was press down and use momentum.
They had a similar problem with Titanfall as they couldn't jump and aim at the same time.
From then on I just dismissed their opinions about video games.
Brody Reed
they shouldnt have rich on camera outside of plinket skits honestly
Blake Cruz
Time travel in star wars would ruin it. The whole strength of the series as a setting and the original trilogy in particular is that no matter how soft or hard (more like medium) the sci-fi setting is, time travel never happened nor had a chance of happening. The series definitely has a very medieval feeling of the sense of time, not a modernist or postmodernist one. There's a reason they call it a "saga" rather than "bunch of capeshit slapdashed together with timey wimey stuff".
The peril and risk of Luke risking everything to save his father is so weighty because it takes place within a conception of time that's mythical rather than materialist and atomistic. Same reason the destinies of the various characters was so significant.
Luis Gonzalez
Kikes. Simple as that.
Leo Jackson
that plan will never work because Nu Wars being canon, until they decanonize everything Disney did there's no hope
Ryan Rodriguez
The Alien Isolation video still makes me angry.
Blake Martinez
>TL suffered a huge backlash after these "stronk empowered womene" that were Holdo and Rose. >Let's double down with yet another white female bounty hunter and a sassy negress
Luke Young
literally just jews, although you can say that the larger machinery of industrialised cultural production under capitalism make the actual quality of the product irrelevant, because individual artistry doesn't matter that much when there's legions of non-(((connected))) technical staff who cover all the technical craft of film work, and billions upon billions spent on advertising to make the public actually spend time and money on consuming the product the untalented, brainless, and worst of all, disinterested nepotists pump out
Nathan Campbell
their videogame channel was consistently awful glad mike axed it
Nolan Stewart
More like: >hiring an English 10 as the white female lead wasn't a good move when we could have hired an American 7 >appealling to Asian women by having a dumpy one hook up with a black guy wasn't a good move when we could have appealled to black women by having them shoot guns and murder people while spouting one liners
Jackson Campbell
Have any of their prediction videos been correct? I've never checked.
Nathan Torres
>I actually think the whole movie will retcon TLJ and allow them to go forward from there I fucking hope so. When I saw the shot of Kylo repairing his broken helmet I gained some hope. I just want JJ to spit on everything Rian Johnson stood for, even if the movie is going to be shit. I don't care about Star Wars anymore, I just want Rian fucking Johnson to kill himself.
Jason Gutierrez
this desu
Jaxon Wood
why are they so pussy to shit on TLJ? also they keep denying Rey is the worst protagonist?
Jason Perry
i only remember mike predicting kylo would be han solo's son
Nolan Sanders
Daisy Ridley not only is absolutely average looking, she cruelly lacks femininety, she can't act to save her life and her accent is unbearable and makes no sense since it was established it's royals/the educated who speak like that. This bitch lived on her own in the desert and speeaks like a duchess!
Camden Allen
The helmet feels like a direct rip off from Morrowind
Not only were they correct about most of The Force Awakens, but in their TFA prediction video, Rich also inadvertently predicted some of The Last Jedi, including the title.
Elijah Young
>why are they so pussy to shit on TLJ? but they did shit on it
Zachary Ortiz
>40 min speculation off a teaser trailer
how desperate.
Ayden Jackson
Solo was mostly correct, although the film had lots of extraneous bullshit compared to their plot TFA review didn't hit much unless you consider the film not having much substance beyond superficial rehashes prediction
Zachary Ortiz
It doesn't match the leaks apart from the "possession" bit. There are two possible endings. >Rey dies protecting a broadcast of Luke's story, which wakes up the galaxy to the First Order. >Rey and Kylo team up to beat back Palpatine. Kylo dies in the process. I'm not quite sure which one is the most likely, but I'd go with #2.
Tyler Stewart
but now they are afraid to shit in it, they act like its a glass figurine that they hate but are afraid it will break because its part of a set of figurine they waited 20 years to have and the first one they got is stil shittt but they treat as a treasure.
Aaron Ortiz
>retcon TLJ >but don't TFA that's what killed the franchise
>and makes no sense since it was established it's royals/the educated who speak like that Are you American? Americans are mystified by English accents. Her accent is squarely younger generation middle-class from anywhere around London. It's the equivalent of "generic east coast American accent" and saying that's what reviewbrah, JFK or FDR sounded like.
The real missed opportunity is that they had the first order speaking all in RP and Finn speaking in generic American. If the First Order are the fringe remnant of the empire, wouldn't it be a subtle way to emphasise that by not having them speak RP English accents as the original imperial officers did? Hux's actor has an Irish accent and Finn's a lower class/urban/black English accent, not the straightforward copypasta'd accents from the original series. You are right about Rey, although we didn't hear any other humans from her planet speak, so who knows what accent they have.
Easton Lewis
Have any of you faggots watched Ortega's cut of TLJ? How is it? Why aren't there threads about it. I saw a bit, seemed great to me
>more talented than anyone who frequents this website Talented at what? Not filmmaking surely. Being your imaginary friend? No, we're still better at that, that's why you're here.
Aiden Lopez
>NOOOOOOO LEAVE MY INTERNET FRIEND ALONE!!!! this is the most cringe shit I saw outside of /rk9/
Jordan Brooks
I wish Mike was my boyfriend too, user.
Thomas Thomas
So they whine that TFA/TLJ feel empty and pointless and nothing makes sense, then they bash the prequels for the politics and worldbuilding
Anthony Bennett
>then they bash the prequels for the politics and worldbuilding Yes because it sucked
Brandon Parker
Kylo killed his dad and fan favorite character Han Solo. Watched as his First Order blew up 5 planets. Killed several leaders of the Resistance including Admiral Ackbar and nearly killed his mother Leia. Then killed all but 10 of the Resistance fleeing after he became leader of the First Order. He is definitely not living to the end of this movie.
Dominic Taylor
They only like expanded universe type worldbuilding when it's star trek because Mike is a nostalgiafag and Rich is a redditor who hates the premises and mythical undertones of the star wars setting.
James Turner
Only things that sucked are the dialogue and your fat mom
Adam Sanchez
Ans he's the fan favorite of the sequels.
Landon Moore
He might, Darth Vader lived for 2 trilogies didn't he.
Mason Sanchez
The camerawork is frequently boring and the CGI is overused at times. Also the pacing in AOTC is definitely bad.
Zachary Sanders
Well who can argue with an intelligent, mature argument like that?
Josiah King
Why didn't Rei let those red guards kill Kylo in the throne room? Seems like a logical thing to do.
Nathan Perry
To play the shitty games that suck ass
Asher Price
Mike was really good looking when he was young user
>They told us how strong, powerful and influential the jedi are no they didn't they just said their order was guarding peace for a thousand generations
Evan Cox
Rey had the opportunity herself to kill Kylo after waking up before him when the hyperspace ram happened. Rey is secrectly the villain all along.
Noah Perry
>CGI is overused Twas a different time. Complaining about 00s CGI is as pointless as complaining about 80s puppets being janky. That was the best they could do, they tried to push as far as possible and of course sometimes it was jank. JJ doesn't try, so it consistently looks exactly like every other sci-fi flick on the market
Connor Russell
That's not Kylo repairing the helmet though, the fingers are all hairy and muppet-y. Prepare for Supreme Decoy
No excuse it also is less noticeable in TPM than AOTC so it's not like it was teething troubles
Logan Smith
clones. lots of clones. Rey is a clone of luke and Leia, explains her retardation because of incest
David Garcia
Do you think Disney panicked, asked the Russo's what their plan was for End Game, and say "That's good shit lets integrate that into Star Wars"?
Jonathan Murphy
>they're going to time travel my shit right up
oh man, rey has been a skywalker all along, but she in the past is the beginning of their line not a descendent of it. it's Sinclair from Babylon 5.
Carter White
Looks like a chained ewok.
Wyatt Mitchell
Are you retarded?
Nolan Morales
Go suck Mike's tiny dick, you fucking loser.
Jonathan Williams
That must be the ape man that was mentioned in the leaks.
Cameron James
Mike alone is estimated to have net worth of 15M dollars.
Charles Ortiz
No. I think Disney panicked, wondered what they could do for Episode 9, saw Endgame make a fuckload of money with its time-travel story to the point that it's now close to beating Avatar's record and thought to themselves "Let's go full Endgame for Episode 9 and use time-travel to retcon TLJ.".
Xavier Martin
Whatever you say you talentless losers, enjoy your empty existences
You're looking at it backwards. The jedi were never that important in the originals, Luke just happened to be one. People that don't remember the 80s & 90s wouldn't understand, the prequels have tainted your perception
Zachary Gomez
Fuck off Mike, you are not welcome here.
Isaiah Collins
It was a deliberate choice to make Rey keep her accent while Boyega who is british and has the same accent was forced to imitate an african american accent. This makes zero sense in regards of the story where Rey is an orphan who never went to school and has nobody to talk to while Finn was raised by the FO. But I know why they made this decision. They want a white girl with a british accent because it sounds sophisticated and will appeal to the female audience and they wanted a literal nigger comic relief for Finn so he has to talk like a thug
Carter Scott
well he couldn't have died in the prequels
Charles Jackson
I love CinemaSins too!
Jaxson Rogers
In this joke of a trilogy they destroy any genuine spirituality and repklaced it by inanimate objects because they want to sell it as merchandise. Why would a fucking hemet have any importance, why doesn't he make a new one??
Hudson Evans
You were born out of your dad's ass, loser.
Jack Nelson
>nigger comic relief Funny cause Boyega though he was going to be the cool action hero
TFA could have been okay if all its setups were satisfyingly resolved, which Rian Johnson fucked up royally. I hope JJ is going to retcon the entirety of TLJ and resolve all of TFAs setups in a satisfying way. That's really all I want from this movie.
Jackson Roberts
But KOTOR1+2 have fucking garbage writing
Chase Bennett
There's not going to be any time travel. Sheev and the Knights of Ren are going to take over the First Order and all the fighting will be done on the villain's side while the last 10 or so protagonists chase after a mcguffin.
Sebastian Cox
Mike > Jay
Ethan Brooks
>TFA could have been okay if all its setups were satisfyingly resolved
No, TFA was ANH with a shittier coat of paint. Fuck TFA and all of its apologists.
Alexander Watson
sorry user we are not getting an ewok palpatine death cult
John Bailey
shoo incel
Carter Thomas
Isn't luke force projecting himself several lightyears away (i don't think it's specified how far crait is from ach-to) technically already time travel? What about hyperspace?
Is Rebels the only instance of nu-canon time travel? What about old expanded universe stuff? They've been picking and choosing some elements to introduce into nu-canon, Thrawn being an obvious example. Maul surviving and mentioning by name organizations like Crimson Dawn or Black Sun would be others. And i believe the new novels count as nu-canon (for better or worse) also. However I haven't read all of them because I don't hate myself.
Not arguing for time travel btw, just trying to speculate how they could justify it. Outside of the obvious appeasement of nerds angle.
Daniel Harris
I geniunely would like the whole thing with the evil Wookies happening. It's such an odd and macabre twist that would make this godawful trilogy go out in a somewhat interesting way.
>frequently boring >frequently I literally cannot remember a single interesting shot. It's all either establishing shots, over the shoulder camera and sometimes the camera moves and follows one character as they move around the scene a bit (usually few meters at max).
Andrew Williams
yeah no fucking shit thats not even a prediction since everyone and their gay dad knows that already you dont kill kids in star wars without dying in the end, "redemption" or not.
Jose Lee
>JJ doesn't try, so it consistently looks exactly like every other sci-fi flick on the market everything practical in the movie looks great, but the few times there is expicit CG it's fuckiing atrocious, which makes me ask a question: was the CGI really necessary? Were the ragdolls and rubble when Stormtroopers get bombed by x wings necessary? Were the fuckign rathars ncessary?
Nolan Rodriguez
So what are the odds time travel nonsense brings Luke back? That's the only thing that will make me pay for this.
Ian Adams
he will die while saving the force kid from the end of TLJ
Luis Wood
Finn?
Hunter Green
Sure, they saw the Endgame make a lot of money half a year after they finished shooting the move, then went back and remade it whole in like half a year. Or did THEY use the time travel themselves?
Even as far back as 2015 people were making this theory (maybe as a joke, but still). Mike and his followers are really late to the game.
Caleb Anderson
When do we know he kill kids? Only R2 actually knows what happened in the Luke temple fiasco, and he's been pretty mum on it
Anthony Taylor
>TFA could have been okay No it couldn't because the entire setup doesn't make any fucking sense, where are the Hutts, the Mandalorians, the Black Sun, the Zann Consortium or even the new CIS, If the New Republic doesn't have any army with are not these taking care of every system they want with their fucking floats. Why the fuck Sheev destroyed the Empire only to come back again, how is the FO so fucking rich and have so much manpower, how the fuck they build the Starkiller base, why is the millenium falcon in not Tattooine, why Solo is not a general of the republic, nothing in TFA makes any sense
Tyler Brown
He's ordering troopers to massacre an entire village the first fucking scene of the stupid fucking trilogy you dingus
Henry Gray
>"George Lucas didn't understand his own creation"
This is the most pretentious thing I've ever heard Mike say.
Joseph Harris
I think Mike might have something going here but it just sounds too outlandish. While I expect a lot of Rise to be a haphazard apology for TLJ, I don't think they're willing to erase it entirely. That would be too much of an admittance of fault.
Brayden Brown
So it's a good movie, but worse? So it's a pretty good movie then? I said that you retard.
Ayden Cruz
Those were cultists, not kids. Besides, Kylo's body count is relatively low compared to the rest of his family
Jace Wood
Who is Ren and why he have Knights and why we should care about them if Kylo is the main Knight and he fucking sucks and lose against a girl who never knew about the force or touched a lightsaber
Hudson Rivera
>Isn't luke force projecting himself several lightyears away (i don't think it's specified how far crait is from ach-to) technically already time travel? Depends on what your definition of time is.
Bentley Mitchell
when it comes to SW and Star Trek he can be a douche who thinks he knows it all
same thing with jay "rey is charismatic as hell" baumann with horror movies and "art house" cinema
he only killed that one guy. he didn't pull a trigger on anyone else there
Colton Nguyen
kek
Blake Brooks
i get that you guys want to jack it to reylo but if you think kylo is making it out of ep9 alive you're retarded as well as gay
Ian Butler
He's not wrong. If you look at the prequels it feels like lucas had no idea what he was doing and was just trying to make whatever people wanted, like making yoda fight or having anakin kill kids in the 3rd one because the others weren't dark enough.
Lucas feels like someone that won the jackpot but has no idea how why he won, so he just tried to emulate things he did before.
Cameron Johnson
The fact that these guys are still posted here amazes me. There's really no avoiding it, I've grown up, and Yea Forums simply remains infancy. Look, RLM are the living embodiment of the smug, detached Gen-X ethos. What do I mean by this?
Well, I'd venture to guess none of them has felt a single sincere conviction about anything since childhood. They exist as polyps upon the colon of culture, satiating themselves on the perceived failures of others (i.e. "The Man") while adding nothing new to the discourse aside from ironic complaint.
They're a group of insecure, lost, rapidly aging burnouts who silently believe they could do a better job of making films than the professionals in the industry. Yet they lack the ambition and ability to actually enter the very industry they're obsessed with. They choose instead to fuck around and make student film piss-takes well into middle age.
They are awful, awful people. I've met thousands just like them, and the last thing we need is for these people to gain any attention for their navel gazing.
Please, Yea Forums, do not aspire to become anything like these people. Theirs is a lonely and pathetic road leading to depression and a life devoid of real purpose.
I hope they disappear and their disaffected followers stop subsidizing their lifestyle. Perhaps that would force them to do something productive with themselves.
You can see how George Lucas was the only thing keeping Star Wars together now, all the OTards don't know why Star Wars was big, it wasn't the movies it was the entire setting, the comics, the games, the novels, the cartoons, the shows the movies were just a excuse to make more of these.
Carson Cook
>mock youtube basedboys for making reaction videos and speculating about teaser trailers >make reaction videos and speculate about teaser trailers Rich even does that matter-of-fact tv presenter intonation that Jay usually mocks in the Nerd Crew episodes, only unironically
No because comparing the prequels to the sequels you can still see Lucas at least having some understanding of story structure, even if he over-fixated on some things, and poorly developed other things.
Brayden Ramirez
>Rich even does that matter-of-fact tv presenter intonation What? This is just Rich's normal voice.
James Rivera
>but if you think kylo is making it out of ep9 alive you're retarded as well as gay Emperor Kylo will win 2020
Jayden Parker
no, he changes his voice sometimes Mike does it too but it's at appropriate times and not without irony
Hudson Phillips
Fuck off Aids Moby
David Evans
Exactly. This theory was around in 2015. Mike and his ilk are taking credit for shit they didn't do, like usual. Mike is once again a step behind the curve.
Michael Ward
Lucas is a fucking hack. The only reason Disney didn't absolutely btfo George is them being too deep in the corporate cesspool. They literally stepping on their own balls with the retarded policies Disney has.
Blake Gutierrez
Jay's bf comes across very possessive.
James Anderson
No, I said it's a bad movie for copying a movie that came out 38 years ago you fucking imbecile.
Eli Hernandez
Just because he made a different kind of film doesn't mean that he doesn't "get" Star Wars. The characterization is still there, it's just muddled by CGI spectacles like a fifteen-minute pod race and random shots of dumb aliens speaking simlish at each other. There was plenty of this in the OT when he actually got around to adding more aliens, he could just afford to do more of it because that's what CGI can do. It's not fair to say he doesn't understand Star Wars when he just chose to take the movies in a different direction and focus on details and worldbuilding instead of characters that we know will either be living or dead by the end of the trilogy.
It's hypocritical of Mike and Jay to say there's nothing else you can do with Star Wars other than rebellion and blowing up superweapons while they built a career shitting on three movies that actually tried a different approach.
Jaxson Rodriguez
I disagree about the longevity bit. I'm quite sure that George Lucas intended it for being a franchise in the style of Star Trek. However the failure of More American Graffiti, the Star Wars Holiday Special, and the mess that was Apocalypse Now's productions changed his mind.
>The next trilogy then goes from there and skips forward a hundred years or whatever to set up something new. they just going to do the knights of old republic and telling Revan story but this revan will be a black fat tranny
Liam Gray
>B-But Lucas is hack >Disney could've B-BTFO h-him
Maybe Pixar would've had the chance but not even 00's Disney would've been able to that, unless maybe Disney Animation.
Justin Gray
Wasn't it already canon through The Old Republic that Revan was a woman? I'm just going off shit I heard, never played the faggy MMO.
Gavin Thompson
All that (not) talk abotu the characters made me realise that there's a huge wasted opportunity for a meaningful deconstruction of the hero genre.
Just swap out the "rebellion" and the "first order", make the new government viciously track down the empire remnants.
Then you have Finn, who defects and is having his space ptsd, only to realise the "rebel" side is not that different, not to mention they associate with thieve and rogues of all kind.
Rey is treated as a hero, but at one point she start wondering why the fuck is she doing this, and why she gets into this conflict only because she's force-sensitive.
Poe is a brilliant hothead pilot, but his antics get people killed and his insubordination makes things worse.
Kylo is portrayed as a villain, but is actually a victim of high expectations.
Luke is supposed to be wise and strong in mind, but he's too full of faith in the "prophecies" that he almost kills a kid.
All of this is kind of touched in the two movies,but never expanded, that's why they're almost non-characters.
This way they also have a room to grow and comment on the genre, and the overarching plot.
Cameron Rodriguez
George Lucas has never been a good writer. Star Wars worked because he, knew his weaknesses, worked hard, focused on his strengths as a visual director and got a fuckton of help.
Isaac Moore
I thought KOTOR 1 = canon male and KOTOR 2 = canon female. Regardless, Revan is a manlet. I have his black series action figure, and he's the same height as Rey.
Kevin Murphy
Palpatine is ancient and lives through his descendants, one of them being Kylo and Leia; he's also the father of Anakin and the same person as Plagueis. After an ancient artifact was discovered inside of C3PO's hand (analyzed during the events of TFA), the gang returns to Tatooine to find the rest of this artifact, which is considered to be a way to open the time and space through the force. Rey goes back in time and becomes Shmi Skywalker. Gives birth to Anakin, who is aware of this ancient temple where the artifact was found, incorporates the part of the artifact into C3PO and we're in a loop. With every such iteration Palpatine/Plagueis becomes stronger, and the Chosen One is supposed to break this cycle and bring the balance to the force. Rey, as Shmi, destroys the temple this time, stopping C3PO from being created by Anakin and at the same time breaking the loop, destroying Palpatine.
Screencap this, because this is what's going to happen.
Aiden Parker
I think they might be right, because of Endgame. I’ve got $10 that says they pull the portals shit again, but this time the whole fleet from RotJ comes through with a de-aged Billy, led by Admiral Ackbar. It’ll start with the Falcon swooping in exactly as it did in ANH, then Ackbar’s fleet will show up and either he’ll say something about being the trap or that goofy nazi dude will stutter “it’s a trap” and fall down
Brayden Evans
pretty sure while some elements have/will be lifted from them, kotor1/2 and the stupid mmo aren't official canon thrawn is "canon" now but that doesn't mean the thrawn timothy zahn books are "canon"
Xavier Sanders
Great, original insight, you should have a youtube channel.
Matthew Collins
HOL UP so you be saying they're keeping Leia as a character? Are they gonna cgi her?
The Ewok cult sounds like kino, if that is in it I'll actually go watch it
Hudson Lopez
>I will never understand who thought this was a good line
Nu-Lucasfilm did.
Robert Turner
This tbqh
Jeremiah Lopez
Argo was a kino real life event, he didn't need to write something original
Elijah Hernandez
Disney can put any story they want on the screen. Any. Endless possibilities. They can get any actor, any writer of director. Disney just is a giant pussy to make a good movie. They're not incompetent, but restricted by ther own rules.
Sebastian Cox
Because her son became a success despite his shitty upbringing.
daily reminder that shmi theory=shill theory and in reality maz kanata is a 1000 year old rey
Kevin Walker
that's even worse, idiot
Luis Thomas
Unironically this. I remember reading SO MANY theories not related to time-travel about what Endgame's story was about before Endgame was released and ALL of those theories were kino, but then Disney decided to just go with a time-travel story. Disney is very risk-averse.
Lucas Davis
are you retarded? they're all 40
Luke Williams
>Chad Anakin vs Virgin Vader
Asher Bennett
Disney is fucked either way, if they do time travel everyone will just shit on them as one note because of End Game.
Caleb Flores
Do the screenwriters know the scripts of other in production movies just because they are both owned by Disney?
It'd be a bad theory for Disney shills to push because it means Rey, a character that the Clickbait Media has been pushing as a feminist icon, is sent back in time to get enslaved and years later tortured and killed by Tusken Raiders. The audience that Disney desperately wants would avoid the movie in response.
Unless you mean shills as in RLM shills then okay.
Chase Young
what does some shitty nu-wars fanart have to do with kino
Hunter Hernandez
She would have to lose her conection to the force too to end up a slave and die raped by sandpeople.
Ethan Ward
*possessive
protective
Easton Robinson
Utter non-sense. Have you not seen the amount of times MUH power of the darkside was mentioned and how its implicitly mentioned to be the main tool to "conquer and rule the entire galaxy" and such. On the other hand the jedi were in practice only shown to be good at being conartists, using telekinesis, defending against inter-personal blaster fire, and can probably escape danger via precognition. That's it. But that's far from "maintaining the peace of the galaxy". It also doesn't match as being the nemesis of "those fallen to the dark side", though to be fair only being able to force choke and use force lightning doesn't exactly sound comparable in power with something that lets you conquer a whole galaxy. Really, the OT had been setting up "the force" as something extremely world-changing and the only single instance that came true was the first movie where it was shown that the force can basically ignore the concept of probability and lead events to a certain outcome, and to an lesser extent, "the force bringing you to me" about Luke's and Vader's meeting in TESB. But that's it. It never felt like these truly strong aspects of the force were ever shown. Instead we got the Emperor being comically thrown into a conveniently placed pit while suddenly behaving like a retard that just shots his lightning randomly into the air. Every time I watch that scene I can only think "what the fuck did just happen". But because nostalgia glasses and MUH tech-limitations! All those issues are just handwaved. But on the other hand, Jar Jar Binks said something? OH MY GOD! GET OUT THE PITCHFORKS!
Josiah Cox
>it's called the Rise of Skywalker because Rei has sex with Kylo and goes back in time to give birth to Anakin
Levi Sullivan
jesus christ
Asher Kelly
Because in the OT the force was a poorly defined mysticism with subtle effects, you egg. Telekinesis was wild shit when Yoda did it and Force Lightning was even crazier. But these were still people, just ones tapping into an ill-defined concept. Either your view is tainted by stuff from the expanded universe or you unironically expected some naruto shit
Dominic Fisher
>goes to RLM thread >repeats what RLM says He smart
Andrew Reyes
>how its implicitly mentioned to be the main tool to "conquer and rule the entire galaxy" Except for when the Empire needs a Death Star to do this? Also you can be an order maintaining peace even without using the Force at all. All the Jedi (and Sith) were were just slightly stronger guys, not fucking supermen.
Josiah Wilson
>state the obvious >blame shills ???
Mason Morris
Rey isn't Shmi time-travelling, she's a clone of Shmi. When Shmi died, Anakin took some of her genetic material to Kamino to get the Kaminoans to make a clone of her with an accelerated aging process. Then Anakin impregnates Clone Shmi so that Clone Shmi gives birth to Rey.
There was a very old rumor around the time of the 1997 special editions when magazines were talking about Lucas planning episode 1 and a prequel trilogy, i remember lots of fun sites and forums speculating. Anyhow, one of the cooler rumors that i think was actually a story point at some point but abandoned a long time ago was about a character from eps 1-3 being frozen in carbonite and coming back for eps 7-9. Since we know they mind old Lucas ideas for inspiration and they're dead set on putting star wars back on track since no one liked ep8, who do you think they could change it up to be? Not necessarily literally frozen but either way brought back.
I always imagined it as Lucas' version of a duncan idaho type character.
Kayden Gomez
I want Mace Windu to come back, but sadly Disney distance themselves from the prequels as much as they possibly can without outright retconning them.
Cooper King
JJ Abrams and his beloved mystery box shit is why there is no answer or follow up to anything. He a lazy bitch who thinks it’s clever writing to not write anything.
Connor Jenkins
He had the answers though. I remember reading an article that said that Rian dismissed JJs notes or takes on how the story should continue and decided to do his own shit, ie destroying everything just to spite him.
Nathaniel Sullivan
they'll bring him back for the next trilogy
Jacob Ramirez
by that time SLJ is gonna be dead
Hunter Adams
>by that time SLJ is gonna be dead Shit. You're right. Goddamnit.
Isaac Gonzalez
>Rian is from the future and knows the damage star wars does by turning people into manchildren >he's destroying it from the inside for our own good He's the hero we need.
Hunter Ward
you think something like death is a problem for the mouse?
Star Wars Rebels season 3 feat. Palpatine time shenanigans. Here's your time travel, bros. Disney's been testing the waters after the TLJ debacle youtu.be/ICDpyiZ3-V4
Colton Gomez
CG Cushing looked like shit though. I wonder when Hollywood starts using deepfakes.
