What the fuck did Netflix think when they made this?

>Czar
>Not Tsar

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I suspect they don't include the scene where the disgusting communists gang rape the shit out of Meg Ryan's character from that Disney movie?

I have a useless MA in Russian history. AMA.

How come nobody cares in the West about the Russian war on terror?
How come Purishkevich was so based?

>How come nobody cares in the West about the Russian war on terror?
Because it's not a war on terror, it's a war against groups opposed to Russian interests. Just as the US war of terror was against groups opposed to US interests. Russia fights certain terror groups, but allies with others just as the US has done.
>How come Purishkevich was so based?
eh? He was a bit of a joke. He got captured by the Cheka but was so inconsequential that the Bolsheviks released him because he was harmless and universally despised. None of the white leaders had any interest in restoring the Tsar.

How involved were mongols in the actual governance of Russia during the golden horde years? Were they just collecting their paycheck or did they actually control the land?

>war of terror was
Still ongoing though. Probably will never end

Outside of China the Mongols never did much directly with the locals. They let the Russian city-states do what they pleased as long as they paid their tribute.

One of the reasons the Mongols were able to occupy their territory despite only having ~100,000 ethnic mongol soldiers at their peak was by being so indirect

>None of the white leaders had any interest in restoring the Tsar.
and this is why they lost

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How accurate is the Russian movie, Admiral (the one about the civil war and Kolchak)?

Why were the Whites so disorganised?

Not really. Once the war started the Tsar was hugely unpopular, he could have endured as a constitutional monarch after 1904-05 but bungled it. The Whites precisely distanced themselves from monarchism as a desperate measure to retain some popular support

Main reasons Whites lost:

1.) Lack of coordination and conflicting agendas/constant backstabbing of each other whereas the Bolsheviks were a much more smoothly running unified machine

2.) Accepting the aid of the Western powers/using Western troops to back them up. Russia is and always has been hugely paranoid and anti-foreign, and they sealed their fate in the popularity contest by siding with them. The Bolsheviks created a narrative of resisting foreign invasion that worked hugely

3.) Being associated with the army, which pushed heavily for Russia's involvement in WW1. The war was very unpopular in Russia as it was being waged in foreign lands for reasons the Russians didn't care about. They had taken horrific losses and the war created brutal labor regimens and mass food shortages. "Land, peace, bread" was a huge selling point for the Bolsheviks, though obviously they lied about all 3.

4.) Enforcing quasi-serfdorm in their ranks. If you were a noble or officer in the Whites you had huge privileges and could spit on your subordinates that were little more than slaves. This did not Garner themselves well to the local population while the Bolsheviks were espousing freedom (however insincere it actually was)

5.) Terrorizing local populations they came under and displaying a general lack of discipline. The Red Terror murdered more people that the White, but it targeted specific groups and was well-organized. The Whites sort of arrived as a rabble in your town and just raped and pillaged like medieval barbarians. This difference does affect how a populace responds to you. This is a tangential point though, #1-3 are the biggies

What happened at Dyatlov Pass?

Why are they such miserable alcoholics?

The Bolsheviks didn't lead the February Revolution that unseated the Czar though, right? It was a popular revolution that the Reds co-opted to do communism?

Catherine the Great was a sex hound

Like most Russian films of today, Admiral sort of makes Kolchak into much more of a man than he was. He was extremely corrupt, pompous, not that bright, and his leadership in actual naval engagements shows a large degree of military incompetence. All of these issues were endemic in the Russian Army at the time, and endured into the Soviet period as well. Really it took WW2 for the Russians to shape up and become professionalized, and even that had worn out again by the Brezhnev period.

The movie also removes the fact that Kolchak was very dependent on the Allies (UK and Japan in particular) for support which was very disingenuous. In fact the British were heavily involved in the coup that installed him as de facto White leader for a time.

>Why were the Whites so disorganized?
Because they were simply those that opposed the Bolsheviks, as opposed to having any unifying ideology or motive. You had a similar problem among the anti-communist forces in China that fell under the general KMT umbrella. You have a similar problem today for the anti-assadist factions in Syria or the Arabs fighting Israel in 1948.

The Whites were a huge mess of conflicting ideologies. Military dictators, monarchists, constitutional monarchists, anarchists, peasant liberation, the russian version of libertarians, liberals, moderate socialists, mensheviks, minority nationalists, westernized intellectuals, etc.

Probably they thought there was avalanche and it created a mass hysteria that caused them to rush outside their tents and take shelter. Animals ate the soft parts of them like eyes/tongues.

Because Russia is a miserable and unforgiving place. Somewhat geographically, but its location between East and West has always made it a sort of honeypot of misery and mayhem

Correct, the February Revolution was a spontaneous popular demonstration by all classes of Russian society fed up with the Tsar. It included urban workers, peasants, the army, ethnic minorities, intellectuals, liberals, and even the clergy and monarchists.

The Bolsheviks were not even particularly active in Russia at the time, and all of their major leaders were outside the country and caught unawares. Thanks to the aid of Germany seeking to undermine the Allies in WW1, they were able to arrive in Russia quickly though and subvert the revolution.

The actual "revolution" the Bolsheviks led was the October one, which in truth was simply Lenin chimping out when he realized the Bolsheviks would have lost an incoming election in Russia's Constituent Assembly. So to avoid becoming a minority party they seized power through force.

Mongol and Finnic genes

Why wasn't Chiang Kai-Shek able to hold his Nationals together? Why did communism manage to succeed in East Europe/China but fail to get a foothold in France/Germany?

Tsar could have been an unifying figure against the Reds, it's just Huwhites were too stupid to realise this and to stupid to have proper propaganda

>muh Whites killed people
it's a fuckign war. People die in it.

Ah, interesting. Thanks.

Fucking Eternal Kraut strikes again

Youre saying the Kaiser put the commies in to weaken Russia as a war strategy?

What's with this recent Russia boner?

I'm not that big in Chinese history, but the KMT could have endured if:

1.) The Soviets didn't fuck him over and hand over all the captured Japanese weapons they got in Manchuria to the Reds
2.) He had a real platform of land reform. The Communists had a hugely irresistible promise of giving peasants their own land (which of course was largely a lie) and it mobilized the truly massive chinese peasant population against the KMT. In 1945 the Chinese communist fielded about 1.5 million troops to roughly 3 million KMT. By 1948 it was maybe as many as 5 million Communists vs. 1-2 million KMT
3.) Lack of support from the US, who threw the KMT under the bus. The Truman administration was notorious for this in the post war period, they also let the Soviets have Poland/Czechoslovakia/etc and backed Indonesians against the Dutch and Africans against the French, Belgians & Portuguese.

Plus the US kinda fucked Britain over the whole Suez thing. Assholes.

Kaiser not so much, Willie didn't have that much influence in WW1 and whenever he did exert it it was usually just a stupid thing to make the situation harder for Germany (such as keeping their navy bottled up in harbor after Jutland).

The support for the Bolsheviks was engineered by Ludendorf mostly. They sent Lenin and many other leading Bolsheviks on an armored train from Switzerland through Germany and into German-occupied Poland, allowing them to arrive in St. Petersburg.

My guess is Willy would have been pissed if he knew about the German support for Lenin. Though this support wasn't widely known until Gorbachev's glasnost in the 1980s

They lost 1.2 million soldiers against the Japs. Reds were fighting a gorilla war and they managed the preserve their power. Also Soviets helped the Reds, while the USA for a surprise pursued a retarded foreign policy.

I see. What are you going to do with your MA? Teach?

>Tsar could have been an unifying figure against the Reds

It would have an opposite effect. The Tsar would have been a unifying figure of hatred by 1918. He was too unpopular and had alienated all levels of Russian society. Even most of the nobility disliked him, which is why you had people like Prince Lvov becoming a major figure in the February Revolution and Provisional Government.

>it's a fuckign war. People die in it.
well, tell that to the peasants whose villages the whites pillaged randomly. I'm simply speaking as to why the whites lost. In typical crafty communist fashion the Bolsheviks largely let the peasants be until after the Whites had already been defeated.

>le support
He got a free pass nothing else, hardly count as any real support.

Connect your pee hole to another.

I already teach highschoolers world history it's a sad existence

Eh, I'm a Bong and to be honest we had it coming. The Empire wasn't a good thing to try to hold onto, I'd much rather US values got spread

Not just being given the means to get to Russia, the Germans provided him with funds all the way until the collapse of Imperial Germany.

The only 2 powers to ally with the Bolsheviks during the Civil War period were both Central in origin (Imperial Germany and Ataturk's Turkey).

>gorilla war

Hell yeah, motherfucker. Also, I heard the KMT and the Reds fought the Japs side by side or is that just propaganda?

Fucking Ludendorff causes the Communists and the Nazis.

American exceptionalism?And being a history high school teacher isn't the *worst* career in the world...

That was Eisenhower but yeah basically same thing.

The US was filled with idealized "MUH DEMOCRACY" after WW2, thinking you'd have a New World Order overseen by the US, USSR, and China with UK sort of there too. They wanted self-determination for all peoples and believed the Soviets could be persuade to join them in this new utopia. It all fell apart rather quickly though as many revolutions imploded into atrocity and the Cold War paved way to realpolitik. Eisenhower largely abandoned Roosevelt's vision due to the unrest in Cuba

>It would have an opposite effect.
Implying implications. Russia's popultion was still 90% poor farmers and they were deeply religious. They would have followed the Tsar, if Nicky II wasn't a retard and played his hands right.

Again looting is part of war, idk why you americans try to make it out that only le bad guys loot and pillage. Also War Communism was hated by the people.

It's better than British Imperialism.

>watching this filth when pick related is on netlix and made by actual russians.
Chadsky>Virganov

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those 90% poor religious farmers were tired of starving and dying in a nothing war. They were still loyal to the Tsar until 1904-05 though. But everyone has a breaking point.

As for religion, even the clergy was fed up with Nicky. As well as the clergy suffering from WW1 and many average joe priests being horrified by what was befalling the common folk ,Rasputins influence convinced them he was a degenerate.

Oh, and is Death of Stalin considered 'accurate', more or less?

"More or less", but there are a lot of nitpicky issues out of it I noted"

>Molotov wasn't the Foreign Minister in 1953, it was Andrei Vyshinsky. Molotov was Deputy Premier

>Malenkov wasn't "Stalin's deputy", he was also a deputy premier. The position of 2nd secretary was vacant since Andrei Zhdanov's death. Moreover Malenkov wasn't weak about Beria as portrayed in the movie, he pressed the button without any issues

>Beria was not head of the NKVD in 1953, nor did the NKVD even exist in 1953. It was split between the MVD (headed by Sergei Kruglov, a Beria rival) and MGB (headed by Semyon Ignatyev, another Beria rival).

>Zhukov was not head of the soviet army in 1953. The defense minister was Bulganin and the chief of staff was Vasily Sokolovsky. Zhukov at the time was the chief of the minor Ural Military district because Stalin hated his popularity

>The movie condenses many months into a few days. Beria was not disposed of during Stalin's funeral, he attended and gave a speech. He was removed many months later, and the politburo used the East German Uprising (not the deaths of funeral goers) against him

>There were no mass executions of staff at Stalin's dacha of Kuntsevo in the aftermath of his death. The only state employees who died during the whole affair were Beria & his minions

>No Politburo member or even Zhukov were present at the time of Beria's executions, they were hundreds of kilometers away
>Absence of several prominent Politburo members like Andreyev and Voroshilov

>Brezhnev smirking at Khrushchev at the end was dumb, he had no aspirations for power in 1953 and even in 1964 was essentially pushed into it by the likes of Party Ideology Chief Mikhail Suslov and KGB head Vladimir Semichastny

But I appreciated Death of Stalin for more or less accurately shining light to a interesting period of political intrigue.

>The US war on terror was against groups opposed to Israel's interests

Fixed that for you.

eh, the initial war in Afghanistan didn't have much to do with Israel. Iraq tangentially did, though the Saudi's were probably a bigger factor. If it was purely about Israel I imagine US would have invaded Syria or Iran in 2003 as opposed to Iraq who was an enemy of both, didn't border Israel, and largely contained. However he did border saudi arabia and the saudi's wished to spread their influence to Iraq as a whole.

>Why did communism manage to succeed in East Europe/China but fail to get a foothold in France/Germany?
It turns out workers in developed capitalistic countries would rather choose cheap goods and products over class warfare and killing people.

An actual working class revolution looks like nazi Germany.

Western working class people are generally pretty conservative. Marx never understood these issues and had no idea communism would take place in dirt poor areas.

>Why did communism manage to succeed in East Europe/China but fail to get a foothold in France/Germany?

Because those countries were more background and agrarian, and despite Marx's intentions to have communism be the vanguard of the urban worker in industrialized nations its messages appealed most to poor illiterate peasants.

backwards*

Did Beria kill Stalin IRL?

The Nazis were supported by rich and poor classes weren't they?

Bantz

Seuz was an Israeli-British-French operation and was so flagrantly manufactured that to deny reality would have put the entire Middle east into Soviet hands. Eisenhower did nothing wrong and the fuckup drew attention away from Hungary which was being mercilessly suppressed by the Soviets. Eisenhower was pissed he was entirely left out of the loop and smiting Britain and France who thought they could shoot from the hip was the best thing they could do. Any and all action afterwards would be considered by the entire NATO bloc, not just lone wolf powers.

It's one of history's mysteries, it's very possible he did but we'll never know one way or another. It's also likely (perhaps moreso) that he simply had a stroke due to being old and an alcoholic.

bumping educational thread

It made Enoch cry

>Catherine the Great was a sex hound
She was also german though.

can i have fries with that lmao