Starship Troopers (1997)

This, was weird. Instead of becoming Captain America, he chose Army Dog.

Can you elaborate? Did not see the movie.

I think he was too "generic" if that makes sense. He fit exactly the role he played in Starship Troopers. For other movies he would be a bit too "perfect" because of his looks mostly. His acting wasn't bad though.

But I agree with . Captain America is just as generic as him.

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Buenos Aires was an inside job

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sort of but it actually has three layers or three eras. childhood is seeing the action and laughing at the corny dialogue. adolescence is realising that it's a satire and it's parodying an attitude and it's meant to be like that, it's 'knowing'. Adulthood is casting aside the author's limited 'knowing' intention and seeing that they accidentally depicted a vision of a perfect society that should be cherished and shared as a point of reference.
Like some message that came from god through inspiration in spite of the fallible author

>what's the source of the conflict? why do the arachnids even attack humans via diversion of asteroids?
Klendathu was on the other side of the galaxy. Even given the fastest recorded speed of an asteroid it would take several billion years to reach Earth, meaning it needed to be set in motion when only basic plant life existed. In other words,

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And the best part is that most of that shit was real.
That's why it aged so well. Most scenes had real props and the cgi was blended in very elegantly.
If they remade it today, it'd look like a PS3 game with Idris Elba as Rico and that 5 foot niggress from MiB as Carmen/Dizzy (she'd play both parts, fuck off nazis)

thanks, did not think about that. From humanity's ability to warp-travel I subconsciously assumed similar abilities for the arachnids. You're right though, even assuming the arachnids used an asteroid at the outer-edge of the arachnid quarantine zone, and even assuming that covers half of the galaxy (which it doesn't), it would still take millions if not more years.

agree, the shots aged very well. I always assumed there must be many props involved as CGI was only really seen when they showed hordes of arachnids. Close-up they always looked good.

>Adulthood is casting aside the author's limited 'knowing' intention and seeing that they accidentally depicted a vision of a perfect society

You're a fucking idiot.

mom please get off this site

I like the romance arc in the movie. First, from a purely romantic perspective I was rooting for Johnny and Carmen. Later, I must say the scene in pic related was incredibly satisfying after Carmen become an entitled/spoiled girl that doesn't seem to know what she want.

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the other big give away was that Ibanez' ships had been given an unoptimal route so they wouldn't be on the path of the asteroid tbw

very interesting, thanks.

lawnmower man is better

starship troopers is unironically in my top 5 favorite films

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You're forgetting that the bugs attacked first.
They slaughtered a bunch of Mormon colonist, and don't say the bugs were just defending their land, cuz Mormons don't do violence and the bugs are intelligent, there's no reason why they couldn't reason with the Mormons.

bugs were there first and nobody like mormons anyway so they actually had to manufacture a casus belli in order to justify the war and wipe out the bugs from the galaxy.

YOU KILL ANYTHING THAT HAS MORE THAN TWO LEGS. YOU GET ME?

I'M FROM BUENOS AIRES AND I SAY KILL EM ALL!

It's a straightforwardly simple storyline with a classic "hero's journey", and isn't afraid to appeal to emotions the people behind hollywood don't want people to associate with nationalistic war, only randomly super-powered spy agency types massacring faceless enemies of the IRL governments.

About the only element that works as "satire" is the idea that the asteroid hitting Buenos Aires is an inside job, and even then, it's not funny ha-ha satire, it's disquieting and it's easy to miss on first viewing, particularly since the film came out before 9/11.

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Kind of this. It is a coming of age/teen romance story with added satire and sci fi militaryand war.
I was 13 or 14 when it came out and it was the top movie around everyone liked it.
It also has amazing effect.

- Verhoeven, Neumeier, Vacano, Poledouris, extremely talented guys giving it their all
- Technically groundbreaking at the time, still holds up amazingly well
- Dripping with pitch-black satire and gallows humour in every scene
- Not afraid to show the pros and cons of a fascist America and leaves it up to the viewer to draw their own conclusions
- Deftly juggles levity and gravity, never takes itself seriously despite being able to make some very serious points (and making fun of them)
- Original fusion of airhead teen soap opera and heady, gory war movie which works on several levels

It's fucking brilliant, a classic

>what's the source of the conflict? why do the arachnids even attack humans via diversion of asteroids?

They smartly never give the viewer that moral compass. We're never told who started the war or why, so we can judge the movie's political leanings on their own merits, or lack of them

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agree partly. Yet, it also holds up very well when seeing it as an adult. there is not hero bullshit among the insane amount of casualties. Sure, every now and then there is a small hero moment like the rodeo ride on the acid spewing bug. But for every such moment, there are hundreds who die almost instantly.

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This

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>Surprised that Casper Van Dien never had much of a career after this, despite being a Giga-Chad.
He's short.

He can't act.

>tfw we can ill afford another Klendathu

>starship troopers is a satire of fascism

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> They smartly never give the viewer that moral compass. We're never told who started the war or why, so we can judge the movie's political leanings on their own merits, or lack of them

man it sucks most people never think that deeply about this movie.

"Where in this for the species. It's simple numbers. They have more. Every day I have to make decisions that send hundreds of people to their deaths."

Jesus, how many years had passed between Starship Troopers and Breaking Bad? It's like he doesn't look young in Starship Troopers but hasn't aged since then.

what are you talking about - the "satire" is they they're all happy and fulfilled and vivacious because they're so dumb they don't know they live in a turrible fascist society that makes a fake war for them to fight in so they can have martial spirit.
It fails as a satire because many people who watch recognise this is actually a better life than being a rootless Individual spinning your wheels endlessly, Free to become immensely fat

No. You think it fails as a satire because its subject is your own worldview. It upsets you and by this fact alone, we can say that it actually succeeded.

This. It's just a liberal democracy where you have to serve if you want the right to vote.

>upsets me
i fucking love the movie. i'm just referring to verhoeven's comment that he wanted to make it criticise fascism and how you have to make it look a bit nice so people don't feel like you're insulting their intelligence. it does mean you can watch it either way as you suggest. I only say it fails because i fucking guarantee more people who have watched it have come away with an unconscious longing planted for a martial society than have had something like that quashed

are you talking about the book or the movie though. that's the book

he's right in one point though: people's desire for meaning in life is enormous. Of course authoritative governments thrive on providing that. But it is also true that much of modern society fails to provide meaning for people, despite them having almost infinite freedom to pursue the route they think they desire. It is exactly this part of Jordan Peterson which is appealing to young people (both men and women) - a parental figure, a compass for life in today's chaotic society.

THE ONLY GOOD BUG IS A DEAD BUG!

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>Plant like life
>Billions of years ago

It's in both. In the movie Johnny Rico comes from a wealthy family where it is considered an embarrassment to serve. This implies that his family is wealthy due to a market economy, and not ties to the government or military. It also implies that this nationalist and militarist fervour isn't really all that widespread.

it’s basically a snapshot of the type of pop culture a victorious nazi germany would be producing if it was still around

props to verhoeven for playing it straight and not stuffing it with silly winks

>”it’s a satire of facism”
>everyone is free
>coed showers
>philosophy lessons that try to dissuade you from joining service
>they don’t use corporal punishment on Rico when he fails in basic training when they easily could have
>actively encourages the population to quit if they want
>enemy is a hive mind without any unique individuality, they all serve the mind bug (allegory for communism)

People who still peddle the meme that it’s a facist satire missed the point same as the director did. It’s a libertarian fantasy at its most extreme

did u even watch the movie my dude

>It fails as a satire because many people
Retarded people, usually neets and incels.

did you even understand the movie my dude

>What made this movie so great?
ITS AFRAID... OF AIIIIIIIIIDS

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Try watching it again sometime and pay attention with those facts in mind.

it is a propaganda movie. what’s important is not that alternatives are presented, but that the hero makes the right choices. narrative 101

and yeah the nazis had such great respect for all the fine individuals that made up the soviet union lmao

I believe that you believe that you're making a point.

Why is it that less and less movies display realistic causalities? why is it that things are "sanitized" and usually just implied?

> all Marvel / superhero movies have almost zero deaths, if civilians die like in man of steel, it's never really shown in a form that impacts people's emotions but just assumed, it's "sanitized", even in Avenger's where half of the planet vanish it raises absolutely zero emotions.

> all deaths in modern Star Wars movies raise absolutely zero emotions. Of course no main characters every die, which is a problem in itself. How are people supposed to take a threat seriously if it causes no impact?

> the only movies left that capture realistic brutality of battle are war movies - and even they become less and less accurate. The last realistic invasion movie that captures causalities was "Saving Private Ryan".

It's sad but I think at this point it's too late. If anyone would "realistically" depict victims of battle, it would instantly be criticized as too violent - people have lost connection to reality through year's of sugar-coding in movies.

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youre not as clever as you think either

The alternatives are presented.

>go to Uni
>live your own life
>still be free
>don’t need citizenship to have a full life

You missed the entire context of rasczak’s lesson. The movie is shot as propaganda, but the point and quotes lifted directly from the book go over everyone’s head.

That's how you're going to defend your incoherent garbled mess?

the book is straight up fascist
the movie is fascist satire

maybe because it depicted a utopian society
I would have loved to join the interstellar marine corps and kill bugs, it will make me that old guy with no legs boasting about glory
youtu.be/b07887ZzKiw

thanks for the restating the dumbass basic bitch that is already taken as the premise that all posts so far are refuting or elaborating on

The book portrayed a market capitalist global civilization collapsing, and disciplined military men taking over from the corruption and instilling honesty, order and the means for both to self propagate.

Manlet

>Adulthood is casting aside the author's limited 'knowing' intention and seeing that they accidentally depicted a vision of a perfect society that should be cherished and shared as a point of reference.

Interesting statement and superficially it might ring true... but I think only in that setting where the enemy aren't humans but are of an alien threat. Would a similar movement arise in the US and/or the west with no one to fight against but its own species on the same planet, then I think a real shitshow would occur.
The reason that Troopers society works so well is because there is no grey area, even when it's likely that the destruction of BA was a false flag; it gave everyone a clear sense of purpose. There are no good bugs and they can be danced around with as long as necessary.

Seriously, how the fuck did they manage those scenes with hundreds of arachnids shown at once? This film came out 2 years before Phantom Menace, and we even act like Helms Deep was the first time we ever got to see gigantic battle shots.

Pretty much the only thing shit in this movie were the standard-issued assault rifles. They felt like toy guns with no impact - needing 2 magazines for 1 bug. But I guess they were imitating "Aliens" where they had similar weapons.

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Recently watched it for the first time since my childhood. It was such a good feeling constantly having that sence of deja vu from all the images my brain still had memories of, even if i never understood what was going on before and now making sense of it all.

True, considering they state how democracy failed. But everyone has the chance to serve and vote how they please. Not to mention the sky Marshall takes responsibility for failure and steps down when they’re incompetent. Far from fascist.

>So you're saying it's successful live action anime?
There actually was an anime adaptation of Starship Troopers years before the film was made. It's a more faithful adaptation of the source material and I found it very enjoyable. Also the bug design looks genuinely alien instead of just being those arachnid-like things. Like something you might expect to find in the bottom of the ocean.

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It was a comfy movie user
>Chad main character and Stacy gf and goofy sidekick best friend
>Comfy opening where you see how life in on earth and get the fun high school scene and learn that democracy is shit
>You get an event that changes everything for our main characters along with a sweet basic training scene
>Cool space battles and lots of interesting side characters

It's basically the perfect popcorn flick

based

>, there's no reason why they couldn't reason with the Mormons
Have you ever tried reasoning with a Mormon?

>for me, it's dizzy

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>Would a similar movement arise in the US and/or the west with no one to fight against but its own species on the same planet, then I think a real shitshow would occur.
dude it was called world war 2

>Surprised that Casper Van Dien never had much of a career after this
Pardon me?

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Have you read the book?

We have already had societies where the citizens were a minority and also the military class.

They didnt last.

The book isn't fascist. The people in charge never do anything wrong. So it's not realistic since no one abuses their power.

he's only 6 years older than Van Dien, pretty crazy

>hitting a planet halfway across the galaxy with an asteroid
>believable

You haven't read the book (and, ironically, neither did the director), so how would you know?

Maybe they purposely made them less efficient so more soldiers would die. Reminds me of deep rising, high capacity 1000 round mag but little knock down power. Old weapons from an old war, just like how they're using old training facilities(human dummies instead of arachnid). This movie is a fucking masterpiece though.

Holy shit he was only 33 in Starship Troopers. Thats me in 7 years. He looks old enough to be my dad

fuck off basedboy

The war on bugs is just an excuse to trim down an over populated planet.
Why would they send settlers and soldier on a barren planet while they have the ability to warp around the galaxy to find an earth like planet.
It's just a big trim

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You ever meet a mormon? They're a bunch of goofy bastards who do whatever der gawd(pastor) tells them to do which is why I always die laughing whenever I hear "too late".

The bug war is to reduce the numbers of would be citizens that arnt deemed fit. It's the infantry doing all the dying.

This

And yet Buenos Aires was destroyed killing millions. No one who has money wants to be a citizen anyways.

But it's also shown that to have children you need to serve in the military. So either the parents served or it's like our world where the wealthy find loopholes. Or maybe it's a one-child policy.

Probably deemed to be full of sub humans.

In China you can pay to have more children but it costs money. Same as here. They are semi communist remember?

>Are you doing your part?

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I sense a few people here have read the book. Is it worth buying?

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Anyone have a better version?

It's kind of shit. It's meant for boys. You will find it very juvenile if you are old enough to be aware that people in authority can abuse power.

Idk man... pretty much everyone at that school was attractive. You really think a place that produces Johnny Rico's and carmen Ibanez's on the regular like that would be deemed sub human?

I see, fun fact according to the Amazon review section, some point out that it was on the USAF academy reading list.

or the bugs travelled to the solar system covertly, and moved one of our rocks

Probably not producing enough psychics compared to Asia or Europe so they were deemed inferior. I bet the bugs got Africa too.

Pretty sure verhoeven only read 2 chapters and put it down forever. He hated it.

In the book there were non-military occupations that a civilian could serve in to earn citizenship.

>thrust authority
>being in the military is fucking awesome dude
>civilians should kiss your feet.
Not surprised it's on their reading list. If you have an IQ above 90 you might thinks its dumb.

Trust

>allowing christians on your territory

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no in the movie the lady said she joined the military so that she could have childen sooner. implying that civilians can have children they just have to cross more government red tape in order to do so.

>- what's the source of the conflict? why do the arachnids even attack humans via diversion of asteroids?
mormon settlers violated the bug quarantine area.

>why do films glorify nationalism, war, heroism, and violence while purging the realistic death and horror inherent to it in an era where the military-industrial-corporate complex has near-total control of the government
Gee whiz I wonder

Every troopers fan should see the 4k. It's like seeing it for the first time but make sure you have a 65"+.

Pretty sure this is glossed over in the movie too.

The book is very clearly pro-fascism. They added satire to the movie

Not even a guarantee either. She just says it's a lot easier to get a license if you serve.

Well fuck, time to re-watch

Dr Pavel? Im UCF

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>Mormons don't do violence.

Hoo boy. Read some history and remember the phrase "MORMONS! DO YOUR DUTY!"

people forget the book was the YA of its day, to be serialised in teen boy magazines. Compared to YA literature of now though, it's a masterpiece.

Wrong

non combat*

does the props and CGI still hold up or does it look ridiculous?

Bugs dont have ftl. They would have had to have started their journey before humans invented fire.

fuck off Verhoeven

is that ever stated in the movie or book?

Only if you have a disability. Scientists carrying out dangerous experiments on people could not earn citizenship. The people being experimented on could earn their citizenship that way.

oh yeah that's right.

In the book the bugs have ftl. They are technologically advanced. They are also allied with the skinnies.
In the movie they do not have ftl. They are limited by being an entirely organic hive. In the animated series they have ftl despite being entirely organic.

>They are also allied with the skinnies.
who or what are they skinnies?

Another alien species from the book.

Yes and no. It's 1997 cgi but it's on Jurassic park level so it's still ok. Props, sets, models are all 10/10. The level of detail revealed on the disc is amazing, true native 4k also no upscale.

Dizzy was best girl, smol natural tiddies are always better than big but plastic ones

very interesting. thanks for pointing out, did not know that version existed.

Dizzy is wife but carmen is the one that makes the guy cheat. Especially prime 90s pre sheen Denise. Just go watch wild things unrated.

Np man. I bought it day 1 and gave my old but still awesome blu ray to a friend. I've bought the movie 4 times now... definitely did my part lol.

How sis Carmen survive her spaceship being blown up in space?

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So why was the second movie so extremely shit?

And let's not even talk about the other garbage fires that followed...

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The Federation and bugs utilize wormholes for travel.

This is explained in other movies.

by using the escape pod. though I agree the bouncing off of hard stone and literal crash landing in a mountain were a bit stretched to believe.

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Budget, straight to DVD. The first one is a big budget film that came out at the wrong time that flopped. What did you expect? I mean the girl from nip tucks titties were nice.

The anime CGI movies and CGI Roughnecks are all pretty good. Roughnecks especially based.

Don't bring that up - it took me years to cleanse them from my memory.

The was a wormhole on the skirts of Klendathu and the "bug zone" that IIRC exited somewhere around Mars.

It has been forever since I've seen it but I don't remember the escape pod stuff. I just remember her ding devoured by flames.

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>So why was the second movie so extremely shit?
The original was directed by Paul Verhoeven and had a huge budget for the time. We're just lucky that the first one was as good as it was, because you won't be getting anything like it ever again.

Did you even finish the movie? The part you're referring to is at the end of the battle of klendathu when the Rodger young is hit by plasma.

That was the first hit they took that only slightly damaged the ship. The second time they get hit the ship breaks in half and they have to rush to the escape pod. Also the captain woman gets cut in half by a blast door.

>What made this movie so great?
The script was not polluted with things that didn't belong in it

Personally was big into Starcraft as a kid when I first watched it and it blew my mind how it was basically a realistic depiction of Terran vs Zerg. Still love it to this day for that reason

>amazing effect.
Shoot the Bugs look fucking great even to this day. What the fuck happened to Cinema

>what's the source of the conflict? why do the arachnids even attack humans via diversion of asteroids?
It's a false flag to get humanity into a war with the bugs. It's a parallel to the Reichstag fire. Everything is pretty much a satire of fascism.

Still not sure why there hasn't been a live action starcraft movie. The franchise is basically designed to spit out fun action adventure films.

they were first allied to the bugs, then after a human raid, to the humans, and shared important intel to both, during their alliance.

they are very tall, skinny and "more collectivist than humans, but less than bugs", and apparently do not have a particularly strong military

It's cheaper to do CGI.

Obviously nobody bothers with animatronics anymore, but even just rewatch the Klendathu scenes again and try think of a single modern blockbuster that has a physical set that large or that many real extras in one shot.

The scene where the bugs attack the outpost just reminds me of another movie trope-in this one, the military are the "cowboys" & the bugs are the "indians". This movie was pretty much average with mostly terrible acting, but the bugs were pretty good. Try "Cowboys & Aliens" for a better movie.

At least try with your bait, fag.

false

>*pisses on this stupid post*

Lol holy shit go fucking hang yourself.

so jews are psychotic bugs?

this has to be the worst take I've ever heard

>doesn't know what convergent evolution is
>only body shape that has achieved technological civilization is humanoid, humanoid bodyplan is what let humans develop so intelligent in the first place being bi pedal, complex hands and upright
>retards think an intelligent alien species wouldn't be humanoid but rather some impossible bug thing because that is totally more realistic jut cause they aliens okay
I hate pseuds who bitch about humanoid aliens, no the alien should be some insect/mollusk, unknown form thing!
>okay we had those one earth for hundreds of millions of years and not one has evolved intelligence all we know is humanoid bipeds
>NO OBVIOUSLY ALIENS SHOULD BE SQUIDS AND BUGS AAAAAAAA
>primates in sopace >booooooo
>arthropods in space >YAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Recently found out that Starship Troopers is the favorite movie of Takashi Miike, and more surprisingly, Tom Hanks.

Good post

Mr. Krabs

big think

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The bugs were CGI though weren't they? Still look great, sorta like an Iron Man 1 vs the modern stuff kind of thing

I recommended anyone who enjoyed the film (and even those who didn't) to read the far more interesting book. It's an awesome boys own adventure with dudes in robotic suits obliterating aliens with nuclear missile launchers and flame throwers.
It's a shame that we will likely never get a film of that instead of a weak satire that I imagine went over the heads of most people who saw it anyway.

It’s very different than the movie. A lot more about the making of a soldier than the war itself. Heinlein was a navy man during korea. The respect he had for Marines and the fighting force of the Chinese and Best Korea is evident in his writings, despite what some poltard will tell you. His other novels have themes of communism too. He seems similar to Orwell IMO in that I don’t think Heinlein was pro communism, but it seemed like he recognized some of its strengths.

>porn gifs

There are hero moments in real wars, you know?

>mfw I didn't realize Casper Van Dien is as short as I am until I saw this pic and looked it up

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>IM DOING MY PART!

Small-minded people say it's fascist, because they can't handle the idea of a new form of government, so they try to pidgeonhole it into something they already know. In other words, it's not fascism- Heinlein was describing a NEW form of government, and it is translated that way into the film.
The film is a total mockery of the novel, and I feel offended on behalf of dead Heinlein, a great writer. At first, I liked the film, but the more I observe other people's take on it, the more I hate it. The novel is mostly a sober, coming-of-age story, with very little about actual battle.
It's great. It discusses personal responsibility, what makes and breaks the society, what creates value. It answers why we need soldier when we have nukes, and what it means to be a soldier.
You are objectively wrong.

>realistic conflict
>throwing thousands of lives away on ground assaults
>not primarily using superior air power
it's only realistic if you assume that the Federation deliberately killed off grunts for population control and fueled the war to give purpose to its existence.

How ignorant do you have to be to believe that development of sentience requires bipedal locomotion and hands?

All the close in shots were animatronics.

youtube.com/watch?v=2cylNnCaUI0

What does it matter. You don't look like Casper van dien. When you look like that it's ok to be shorter.

I also love how mixed races are never an issue. All aspire to be better and serve the federation.

>manlet cope

>youtube.com/watch?v=2cylNnCaUI0
Dang that's fucking cool. RIP Cinema

I never knew this existed. Thanks user

this

>facelet lanklet

user, every citizen must serve.

>seething intensifies

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I'm 6'1. I'm just saying it's ok to be short if your face is as aesthetic as rico.

(cont.) If you're not going to read the novel, at least read the wikiquote.
en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers
In both the film and in the novel, there's a scene where a trainee asks why they're learning to throw knives when they can just drop nukes at the press of a button. The film makes this into a funny, but stupid joke by having the trainer throw a knife into the guy's hand. In the novel, the response is an eloquent paragraph about the purpose of soldiers and war- to produce controlled violence. "...War is not violence and killing, pure and simple..." It's an example of how the film drained the source material of everything intelligent and interesting.

>it's ok to be short
>I'm totally 6'1 tho

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Okay, I think I do remember that part.

how else would people get a good look at him

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>6'1
>tall
looks like the manlets are at it again

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Because it would be rewritten-sjw friendly garbage lore/universe like warcraft turned out to be.

Only if you look like rico. Are you brain damaged user? It doesn't matter what your height is if you're ugly as fuck.

Wrong. From all we know the absolute majority of bugs live in underground tunnels and are therefore inaccessible to large scale surface bombardment. Furthermore, the thousands of lives lost is exactly what one would expect from a challenging ground invasion, think D-Day, 1944.

I honestly can't think of a single shot that didn't age well.

This isn't canon, in the film Carmen literally says the bugs haven't developed interstellar travel and the humans have, this conclusively proves it was an inside job

>Small-minded people say it's fascist, because they can't handle the idea of a new form of government, so they try to pidgeonhole it into something they already know. In other words, it's not fascism-
A "new form of government" that basically coincides which every basic principle of the National Socialism ideology on a global like scale? I think liberal retards or conservative cucks (such as yourself) are too afraid to admit that they like NS because they've been brainwashed to believe that NS is evil and as such the government in ST can't be NS because it's not evil and evidently works.

If the government in ST is not NS, then what is it? And please do not say lolbertarian

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6'1 is the perfect height. Taller than pretty much every girl but not a freak. Anything above 6'2 is a freaklet. Marfan syndrome looking ass.

That's what going bald will do to ya. Look 50 at 30 but you look 50 for 30 years.

>against
Kek. Faggots like you really are clueless.

Planet p is in a different system, so she was wrong

What stupid shit are you trying to imply? Are you not aware of the directors history?

>6'1 is the perfect height
not even my girlfriend is that short

I just googled it and Planet P is in the Klendathu system, so the only time we ever see bugs is in the same system

stratocracy. There's nothing national socialist or fascist about it

Yeah? How is his transition going so far?

>he thinks what the director intended matters

>If the government in ST is not NS, then what is it? And please do not say lolbertarian
I JUST SAID it's new in that post! It doesn't have a name.
The government is not totalitarian.
There is no fuehrer.
People are only allowed to participate in society if they have demonstrated a concern for the society. It is also everybody's right, no matter the race, to be given an opportunity to serve the society.
Nobody cares if you're Jewish, Gypsy, homosexual, Muslim, or whatever. Your rights won't be taken away.
You're allowed to believe whatever you want.

>I think liberal retards or conservative cucks (such as yourself) are too afraid to admit that they like NS because they've been brainwashed to believe that NS is evil and as such the government in ST can't be NS because it's not evil and evidently works.
Strawman. Grow up.

>stratocracy.
Confirmed for not actually reading the book.

Your stupidity knows no bounds I see.

>stratocracy
You have zero grounds to come ro that conclusion. Except that it was founded by disgruntled veterans, much in the same way NS Germany came to be. Military service isn't even required to be elected on the Federal xounxil or as a Chancellor. And if we go back in time, the formation of the Terran Federation is errily similoar to how NatSoc Getmany came to be. AND to top it all of, we have the Marxists in that one, too. As for the similiarities, I can think of quite a few

The most hardcore book I've ever read.

please elaborate

You also missed the part where currently serving military members can't vote or hold office. It breaks the fundamental condition for stratocracy, which is that the government is the the military.
Dude is a retard.

>black guy whips rico
What did they mean by this?

1. Define "totalitarian" without using wiki, please
2. So? There is a leader all the same.
3. So did NS Germany
4. Bugs? The principle is on a human scale rather than ethnic, but it's all the same
5. Yes, because it's on a human scale, not a German one.
6. Same as NS

It has a subtext that’s shallow enough for film geeks to understand it, and that makes them feel smart.

Brilliant assessment. You're so smart!

Denise Richards is so hot holy shit

For sure. It was a good time to be alive in 1998.

they cut this scene, probably because she looked a bit uncomfortable.

youtube.com/watch?v=vO_BfYP6Iv8

>"Stop telling me what to do dad!"
lol

You lack a basic understanding of NS and fascist political philosphy, buddy.
The core tenant of NS and fascism is that the individual only has value when he is part of the collective and works for the greater good for the collective. Inversely, anyone who goes against the good of the collective or who is outside of the collective is an adversary. SST's society embodies this tenant by denying rights and power to people who do not contribute to the collective through service and would not die for the collective.
The second tenant is that society can only progress and better itself though adversity and conflict. This theme is touched on many times throughout the book, however the most explicit instance is where Rico observes a planet whose life forms are primarily pond scum and muses over the fact that because the planet's sun was not strong enough damage the DNA and cause mutations of the life forms, they stagnated and failed to evolve. Classic NS philosophy right there.

Plot twist. Because of that scene the fight between zander and rico was real.

But he did have sex with her in the end though right? Because at the ball she says to him that her dad isn't home. Which ironically makes more sense if they hadn't cut this scene where she references her dad.

>Starship Troopers
>perfect society
lmao no

>You seen the cards, you play em

>But it's also shown that to have children you need to serve in the military.
Wrong, it's said that Federal Service (which isn't exclusive to the military) makes getting a license easier.

Wrong

>1. Define "totalitarian" without using wiki, please
Stop being coy and cut to the discussion. You look it up in the wiki, and tell me how it applies to the federation described in the novel.
>2. So? There is a leader all the same.
There's no cult of personality. Fuehrerprinzip. They don't swear an oath to the leader. They don't say Heil Hitler in their military communications. They don't read some autobio written by him. They don't listen to his grand speeches. They don't have grand rallies and stand at attention for him.
>3. So did NS Germany
You could join the Nazi party without having served the society.
>4. Bugs? The principle is on a human scale rather than ethnic, but it's all the same
>5. Yes, because it's on a human scale, not a German one.
>6. Same as NS
Try being socialist, communist, homosexual, physically or mentally disabled.
Try being a woman.
Try criticizing Hitler, the leadership.

>Only if you have a disability
wrong

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wow, the meteor did minimal damage

>You have zero grounds to come ro that conclusion

t. brainlet

>a representative democracy that requires state service is fascism

fucking brainlets

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THEY'RE MINERALS

In cultural terms, citizen grunts would be taught to love Picasso more than the civilized da Vinci.

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What's WW1 for 600 Steve.

the reason you still see buildings standing is because they didnt use thermite to drop the buildings at free fall speeds.

meteors cannot melt steel beams.

>The core tenant of NS and fascism is that the individual only has value when he is part of the collective and works for the greater good for the collective. Inversely, anyone who goes against the good of the collective or who is outside of the collective is an adversary.
Exactly. This is not the society described in the novel.
>SST's society embodies this tenant
No. The power of franchise granted in ST is not a reward for service. It's not about determining who's the good guy and the bad guy in the society. It's a responsibility given to those who have demonstrated concern for the society.
In the novel, they actively discourage people from joining the military service. Why? Because they are filtering for people who really care about the society.
It's recognizing and embracing the fact that some people do not care beyond themselves. They just don't participate in the government, but they have all other rights. They're not "adversaries."

I'm making a joke in that Buenos Aires always look like that...

You suck at making jokes user.
Please reconsider your life.

ah, well in the movie it said 60 million dead. sorry the joke went over my head heh

There is no leader principle for one. Then there's the fact that there is no "people" whether in the ethno or civnat sense that the state acts in the name of.

tfw you will never live like there is no tomorrow and shower and have sex with squad mates. On the other hand, I heard there is enough shagging when you sign up for US military.

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Yeah it's heavily implied. They fucked. Watch the deleted scenes and it shows carmen and zander getting all cleaned up after more implied sex. She fucked both of them. I just meant it as in real life... because I'm pretty sure the zander actor and denise richards were married.

>why are there no gory deaths in childrens movies?

>The core tenant of NS and fascism is that the individual only has value when he is part of the collective and works for the greater good for the collective. Inversely, anyone who goes against the good of the collective or who is outside of the collective is an adversary. SST's society embodies this tenant by denying rights and power to people who do not contribute to the collective through service and would not die for the collective.
Arguing over semantics which are not entirely true even. First, the goal of Hitler was to establish said community. Going against the interests of yhat community doesn't create "adversaries" simply because you were not allowed to do so. If you were a corrupt capitalist profiting off the backs of your workforce, of course you will not be allowed to do so. But that doesn't mean you'll have no rights. I fail to see how this differs, at all. There is not nearly enough details given about the intricacies of the ST political system adide from the basics.
>The second tenant is that society can only progress and better itself though adversity and conflict. This theme is touched on many times throughout the book, however the most explicit instance is where Rico observes a planet whose life forms are primarily pond scum and muses over the fact that because the planet's sun was not strong enough damage the DNA and cause mutations of the life forms, they stagnated and failed to evolve. Classic NS philosophy right
"The Lord has not helped a lazy man. He does not help a coward. He does not help a people that cannot help itself"
"Socialism is the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one's fellow man's sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against paratism and especially against easy and unearned income.
Arguing with you is pointless. It's obvious your knowlesge on these matters extends as far as what some liberal student has written on wiki

Yeah you're right it's the children why these movies make billions. What a genius.

Sure, but the leader principle is not required in NS at all. As for your second point - the government and society are quite obviously human centric

the fit bitches and relentless violence

>but the leader principle is not required in NS at all
Fucking hell

fatty

How hard is it to imagine a western democracy today but only people who did public service can vote and hold political office?

Ran out of arguments?

Don't quit your day job.

Earth also isn't on the rim of the Milkyway

>I heard there is enough shagging when you sign up for US military.
yeah you and 60 dudes in a tent. plenty of shagging going on.
get the fuck out of here you army recruiter piece of shit

oh and half the guys are mexicans joining the army to gain us citizenship.
the other half of the guys are people who committed some shit crime and were given the choice "army or jail".
so its you, a bunch of mexicans and a bunch of criminal white trash

waifus

The first hour does show things of the war. From the characters you get their sense of glorification yet as a viewer you are constantly shown bits and pieces that prepare you for the brutality that this war apparently is. I do agree that the scale of brutality is a lot higher than anticipated.

the one to two "token" women who joined the army because they are part of an "army family" or some bs are all just wanting to get gangbanged by all of the black army dudes. soon they get tatted up, roided up, and either turn into men or have mental breakdowns.
nytimes.com/2019/05/02/us/military-sexual-assault.html
yeah , you think a false rape allegation in civilian court is bad. not going to be nicer in a court martial. with some bitch prosecutor. then you'll be in some military prison. not like regular jail at all. where you could get parolled or pardoned or the bitch tells her friend she made it all up and they let you out. no, she has to stick with it otherwise they will kick her out of the army.

Heinlein might not like that his Starship Trooper society is seen as Nazi, since he's described them in another novel as "political thugs."
People should read his other novel, Stranger in a Strange Land, which he paused working on while he wrote Starship Troopers, which is all about the main character that grew up among aliens on Mars coming to earth and spreading hippyism.
>the government and society are quite obviously human centric
I assumed earth didn't have aliens in it as a matter of geometry. They're also shown to not know much about the aliens, so they probably didn't have time to mingle. I don't think the novel mentions humans living with aliens in offworld colonies, but I don't remember the society having "human centric" ideology either. They're shown to value alien lives- they intentionally do not attack non-combatant aliens, even though barely distinguishable soldiers might be hidden among them. And the entire point of Starship Troopers is that they exist as the alternative to nukes, which cause too much collateral damage.
I seriously doubt Heinlein's vision of the Starship Troopers society includes alien citizens (or civilians) being put in concentration camps for no reason other than that they're alien.

>Arguing with you is pointless. It's obvious your knowlesge on these matters extends as far as what some liberal student has written on wiki
Cool story, bro.

>Mormons don't do violence

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There actually really is, lost my virginity within three hours at my duty station.
You have no idea what you are talking about.

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the director is an idiot lmao

>wanted to try and show people how bad facism is
>instead shows us how amazing it can be
>humans win in the end
>bugs thoroughly removed
>I guess we were supposed to be all sad that a bunch of humans died in order to accomplish this

Anal virginity counts too so you're kind of right.

>Dina Meyer as Dominatrix.jpg
>desire to know more intensifies.

thats the only real benefit to having women in the military yea, everyone fucks them eventually.

That was amazing to you? Does your mom tell you when to pee? And that's amazing too I'm sure.

whatever you, do DO NOT watch the '20th anniversery edition' of this movie. All they've done is increase the bloom and sharpness effect, it looks like shit compared to the original blu ray release.

Original blu ray release is best!

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With women you twit, let go of stereotypes and baseless ASSumptions, that have no basis in reality. I had more sex in the military than I did in college.

If you never did, it is clear that you don't know.

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That man is my father

"jerk store" levels of bants right here

does that mean the 4k version is shit?

dina meyer's bewbs

What are you talking about user....

b a s e d

Idk what that user is talking about. Maybe he hasn't learned his TV has settings yet. The 4K is godlike.

>humanity uniting to fend off an invasive species of cannibal bugs
>men and women rising to the occasion and becoming the best they could possibly be
yea it was pretty amazing

yes its dog shit. All they've done is increase the sharpness bloom, its not true 4k.

There was a '20th anniversery edition' of starship troopers that was released back in 2017. There wa excessive bloom and sharpening effect used, and it looks like shit compared to the original blu ray release.

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It is definitely true 4K and you have no idea what you're talking about. I seriously believe you have no idea how to use your TV settings.

never noticed this

tongue in cheek satirical quality with the newsreels as OP said
over the top action and gore
good CGI (for its time)
and most important
ridiculously attractive young people and nudity

going to the British National museum and seeing the renaissance art followed by the 18th century shit is truly eye opening. The lack of talent and acceptance of mediocrity started even back then. Picasso and Van Gogh are fucking hacks.

>Surprised that Casper Van Dien never had much of a career after this, despite being a Giga-Chad.

>5'10 - 177cm
>giga chad

>It doesn't matter what your height is
>TOP manlet cope

Are you implying you get more pussy than Casper Van Dien because you're taller than him? It doesn't matter what size you are with a face like yours.