Why is it so polarizing? Even 25 odd years later it still seems to be a case of love it or hate it for the vast majority of people.
Why is it so polarizing...
Other urls found in this thread:
That is the normal nature of Lynch's work. People like it or hate it.
ultimate pleb filter
art is a sham in general
this is not said to make the yokels happy, it's just a sad fact
>being this much of a tasteless contrarian
Do you even know what a pleb filter is?
Not entirely true, almost everyone likes Elephant Man and Mulholland Drive
FWWM is a special case since it offended the majority of people who watched it hoping for more Twin Peaks and got a fucking twisted nightmare of a film
>Why is it so polarizing?
It's not. It's pretty much universally loved nowadays
Also, I wish they had cut out all of the Chet and Cooper scenes and focused entirely on Laura Palmer
She was sexy af but why was she so dearly beloved by everyone when lots of people knew she was a literal truckstop cokewhore
It’s kino except for two things:
Different Donna.
Laura’s hair looks stupid.
>wanting literally anything at all to be different in Lynch's art
>thinking you know better than he does how his vision should look
>Different Donna.
Movie Donna is part of what makes it kino, you pleb
Is she wearing a wig? Her hair looks like a really cheap wig in this picture.
It is, dare I say it, the End of Evangelion of Lynch
Sheryl Lee looked better as a brunette, honestly. Season 1 Maddy is literally perfect.
Yeah, she'd cut her hair really short for some role (that Beatles biopic, maybe?) not long before she was asked to do FWWM, so it's a wig.
She acts way too differently from show Donna. She's too submissive and naive, whereas show Donna started out as an innocent girl next door type but always had a bit of a femme fatale edge.
People can't handle the absolute misery.
The film is very unsettling, it goes places that most films wouldn't go and does so with peak intensity and creativity. The scene where Laura goes home and finds BOB in her room is so much scarier and more raw than any comparable scenes from slasher movies.
lol not sure how else I could've framed that, it was as benign an opinion as you could get. The movie is ultimately about Laura, though, and I would've liked more screen time dedicated to it. Doesn't help that the Chet subplot is so much weaker than the rest of the movie
Cooper's also quite different, since initially in the show he's got some strange ideas about dreams but is otherwise fairly grounded while in FWWM he's basically already Fox Mulder who's witnessed a time-travelling David Bowie disappearing into thin air in front of him.
Also the woodsmen looked stupid.
Normies wanted a conclusion/grand finale of the entire series, wrapping up all loose ends from the season two cliffhanger.
Instead, they got a prequel that made you set through 40 minutes of new characters before you got to the meat and potatoes of the film. And even that was said prequel that was, to be charitable, just set-up for potential future films which never got made because FWWM flopped.
I was just watching it and it needed two more hours of Kiefer Sutherland biting his glasses.
Bozo, in like episode 2 or something he's like "hey everyone, did I ever tell you that in 1984 I gained the ability to practice magic through a series of dreams I had?"
The entire Chris Isaak A-Plot was due to the actor who played Cooper not wanting to do the film.
Lynch had to beg him to do his cameo, hence why they didn't bother to rationalize him seeing the supernatural already with the scene with Bowie vanishing.
kek
based bozoposter
Dumb bozoposter
Does anybody else think this dude looks exactly like Matthew Fox aka Jack from Lost?
>thanks to FWWM flopping we never actually got the original Season 3 with the redheaded Sheryl Lee and Andy rescuing Coop from the Black Lodge
F
Shut up, Bozo
Is there any more information on this original Season 3?
>thanks to FWWM flopping
No, it was thanks to the network ruining season 2
surrealism is not for everyone, kinda the point of it
I like different Donna. She doesn't act like Donna in the show, but I always felt like Donna in the show was supposed to be more like Donna in FWWM, for the most part at least, and the actress there just conveyed that better than in the show.
outside of Premonition Following an Evil Deed, I think the Chet chapter of FWWM is my favorite piece of Lynch's entire filmography
Completely agree with this. After seeing the movie, every time I've watched the show since I'm constantly thinking about how much I wish movie Donna was there instead of LFB
>Filmmaker Quentin Tarantino, who was also in attendance, said in a 1992 interview, "After I saw Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me at Cannes, David Lynch had disappeared so far up his own ass that I have no desire to see another David Lynch movie until I hear something different. And you know, I loved him. I loved him."
based quentin
Not him, but iirc there was some subplot that Mark Frost had come up with that'd introduce ANOTHER Sheryl Lee cousin, this one with orange hair. There was also something about Laura and Maddy's mothers being descended from witches, which is why they both had weird visions and premonitions. Also Truman, Major Briggs and Andy had to rescue Coop from the red room, with the honour falling to Andy since he's the only person in Twin Peaks who was purehearted enough to take it.
Dunno how much of this was to be used in that aborted comic in the late '90s, but the presence of the redheaded Laura/Maddy was definitely in consideration at some point.
>There are people who hate FWWM and claim Season 3 is amazing.
Lynch should have been CIA snuffed out years ago to keep his filmography pristine.
>There was also something about Laura and Maddy's mothers being descended from witches, which is why they both had weird visions and premonitions.
Wow that's stupid. I do love the idea of Andy rescuing Cooper though
kek what an absolute pleb
>yfw you have to punch ANOTHER ticket to Missoula, Montana.
"What are these wholly original ideas about? Why doesnt everyone just copy- I mean "pay homage" to nostalgia based media They saw as a kid? Its easy money boys."
-Onions Tarantiny
I hated it on first viewing. This was before I’d seen his other films and before season 3 was ever announced. I was pissed that the show had no conclusion. Then a year later on rewatch after I’d familiarized myself with Lynch’s work, I loved the film.
Sorry, my mistake, that aborted comic was actually from the '00s, not the late '90s. Here's what Matt Haley had to say about it.
>Twin Peaks Archive: When did you first get the idea to do a graphic novel/season 3 story?
>Matt Haley: Round about the time the first season DVD set came out, I rightly surmised they would be creating a boxed set of the entire show. I kept thinking, "Wouldn't it be cool if somebody did a '3rd season" graphic novel to coincide with the DVD set, which became "Well, why don't I do it?", so last September or so I started calling and e-mailing people I knew, asking idly if they knew what the rights situation was. I wasn't really taking it seriously, it was just kind of a fun intellectual exercise that grew out of control. I finally got in touch with the right people at CBS/Paramount, specifically Paula Block, whom it turned out I had worked with on my very first comic project, "Star Trek" for DC Comics. She found out that they did indeed have the rights to do a Twin Peaks comic, but warned me up front that there was a 'trail of broken hearts' where Twin Peaks licensed products was concerned. Once I realized there was a chance of actually doing this, I understood I couldn't do a Twin Peaks comic and just write it and put my name on it, as fans would want one written by somebody connected with the show, and Bob Engels (co-producer and executive story editor of the series) seemed a logical choice to write it, so I contacted him and he said if I could secure Lynch and Frost's blessing, he would write the graphic novel. From there, I got in touch with various people involved with the tv series, including Angelo Badalamenti and Sheryl Lee, and finally Mark Frost, and they all seemed to think it was a good idea. Mark in particular told me Lynch probably wouldn't go for it, but that he had my blessing to proceed.
>Apparently, when they sold Twin Peaks to ABC, they were given unprecedented creative control over the series, so while they do not technically own Twin Peaks, they both have veto power over any projects related to it. Then, I secured an agreement from Top Shelf to print the book, and then Paramount Home Entertainment, including Ryan Adams who is the actual DVD producer, to agree to package the book with the set. So really, everything was sort of magically falling into place, and it seemed that suddenly I had this project that was bringing itself to life.
>Twin Peaks Archive: Did you have any thoughts or wishes about where the storyline would have gone? Or, were you interested more in the visual side of things? Can you tell us anything about what may have been written by Bob or yourself or considered about the proposed season 3?
>Matt Haley: Bob and I had a number of discussions about what the story would be, I was keen to use whatever notes they had for the proposed third season, I really wanted this to be a literal '3rd season' of the show. Bob told me they really wanted to get away from the high school setting, so after the resolution of the Cooper-BOB-possession plot point, they would have cut to something like "Ten Years Later", and then shown us a Twin Peaks where Cooper had quit the FBI and had become the town pharmacist, Sheriff Truman had become a recluse, etc. He also mentioned they were going to have Sheryl Lee come back yet again, this time as a redhead, and probably have her character killed by BOB again. There were also some vague ideas about BOB and Mike being from a planet made of creamed corn, something about Truman driving Mike backwards through the portal into the Black Lodge (which I think would have been a really nice cinematic scene).
It doesn't stand alone very well for anyone unfamiliar with the rest of the series.
That said it's great.
>Twin Peaks Archive: Why did the project fall through?
>Matt Haley: Honestly, I sent the proposal and the art to Lynch's assistant Jay, and when Jay showed it to David, I was told "While David respects the artwork and the effort put into this project, he just does not want to continue the story of Twin Peaks in any way." That's it, and again, I was warned. I don't hold it against Lynch, I mean, I was playing with his toys, but I was kind of hoping that if I had all my ducks in a row he might just say "go ahead". So really, it was just Lynch deciding not to continue the story and I have to respect that, as an artist. I think he probably likes the idea of not resolving the story, and I have to admit, so do I.
>Twin Peaks Archive: Is the project completely dead? Many fans have wished for a graphic novel continuation of the Twin Peaks storyline. Based on your artwork, you seem to be the perfect choice for such a project...
>Matt Haley: That's very kind, but I don't know if there's a real point to going after it, as it made financial sense to include the book with the DVD set, we would have had at least 100,000 copies in print. To try to convince Lynch would only make him more reticent, and I'm leery of pushing it. It's his and Frost's creation, I can't just come along and horn in on their baby, you know? I would love to meet Lynch face-to-face and maybe mention it, but... it's hard to know how to proceed. If anybody has any ideas...! I'd still dearly love to do it, and Bob seems interested as well, so who knows?
lynched, filtered, plebeian, etc.
>BOB and Mike are from a planet made of creamed corn
Lynch has made public mention of this before. God, what a hack.
Ray Wise is a god.
youtube.com
GET HAPPY
I disliked it because it had no restraint. What I enjoy about Twin Peaks Season 1 is the mixture of soap opera parody and Lynch. There is a sinister force in the background and you get brief glimpses of it, but it's also contrasted against the comedy and lighthearted character moments. Whereas Fire Walk With Me with was one scene of weird stuff happening after another to the point where it all became mundane.
>soap opera parody
I wouldn't exactly call it parody. It definitely pokes fun at soap operas every now and then, Nadine and Invitation to Love being the prime examples, but at the same time unabashedly revels in them. Twin Peaks is a soap opera if soaps weren't utter dog shit from every technical standpoint.
>had disappeared so far up his own ass
This coming from the guy who was supposed to play the lead in Inglorious Basterds, meaning Quentin would have been looking down on the audience saying 'I think this might just be my masterpiece' before cutting to black and his name.
total opposite for me
I can live with movie donna but it definitely took me out of the experience a bit and somewhat ruined the immersion the first time I watched it
Fucking based Quentin calling out that fucking hack Lynch.
HOLY BASED
hack calling out hack
Well, he does have 160 IQ so he probably knows what he's talking about.
It's a film very much tied to Twin Peaks but doesn't have a lot of the elements people liked about Twin Peaks.