Gandalf the Grey beats a Balrog of Morgoth (minor god)

This post is fucking gay even ironically

just banter la. merry's dagger was some special spooky barrow wight blade that did the witch king in and eowyn just finished the job.

Balrogs are Maiar corrupted by Morgoth, the same as the Wizards (Gandalf, Saruman, etc) and Sauron.

Explain all of this then.

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>Expecting a piece of art to work like a RPG
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This. There's a reason they're deleted. Same shit with Aragorn sperging out and beheading an ambassador, which is not something a diplomatic and honourable King like Aragorn would do.

Balrogs are Maia therefore a member of the lesser race of gods, with a small g, even though officially they are more like "angels".

That Balrog had a wife and kids, ya know. Now what will they do.

He was not being literal. He was extraordinarily overconfident. The hubris of believing he was unbeatable by any man, let alone a women and a hobbit, ironically lead to his downfall. It's poetic justice.

I see the problem here you see thats a sword with a hilt and Kylo in the Star Wars movies has a lightsaber that is modeled after a sword with a hilt so thats the confusion friend

He wasn't killed. Just a temporary body his wraith walked around in was killed, and even then by an elven magical sword used by Merry, not one ordinarily fashioned by men.

If enough time had passed after the battle, Sauron would have just made him another body. The Nazgul were all already "killed" once by Arwen with her magic waterfall, and had bodies made for them and came back to life again. They are wraiths, as long as their rings, or the Master ring, exist, they cannot be permanently killed.

>If enough time...

Going to stop you there, buddy. "If" doesn't matter. His final defeat was by a women and Hobbit, shortly before the destruction of the one ring. This ensured that he would never be able to take any sort of physical form ever again.

The prophecy was not that he would be killed.

But why is the sword red?
Why is the person wielding the "sword" wearing a helmet that looks a lot like Kylie Ren?
Why is he on Daenarys's dragon?
Force choke yourself

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he is going out of his way not to reveal his power level and has taken on a particularly weak and unassuming form. the point of his mission is to guide men and let them solve this problem on their own.

so yes, he almost had his ass handed to him by an insidiously corrupt fallen numenorean ubermensch with epic-level gear who was being empowered by another minor god.

In the book Gandalf placed a locking spell on the door as they flee the dwarf tomb,and was almost destroyed by the balrogs counterspell. Something like that anyway, proof of being more than just simple monsters I think.

>not one ordinarily fashioned by men

It was made by men. By the men of Arnor, which was destroyed by Angmar, and was therefore enchanted as such to counter Angmar's magics.

I swear nine out of every ten of you "lorefags" are nothing more than pefestrian wiki scholars.

That's exactly what happened. Don't let these wikifags try to tell you otherwise, fellow Yea Forumsfag.

>Merry
>Elven sword
He got it from the barrow-wight’s tomb you daft cunt

Sauron was empowering him you dumb brainlet

In the book the Witch King never harmed Gandalf, he just ran away from him.

>whoo a scarey ghost with sword upraised to strike!

scared?
u scared

Because Rohan came, it's deliberately left ambiguous with who would have won

>why is the sword red?

I seem to recall the thing actually bursting into flame as he waved it about in the old books. Mind you (and somewhat astonishingly for someone so anal) the professor never really took much of an interest in enumerating weapon stats and specs.

> it's deliberately left ambiguous with who would have won

Bull fucking shit it was. Gandalf had already took on most of the ringwraiths at Weathertop and won before Aragorn did the same. The Witch King alone was no threat to Gandalf 1v1 even before his power up.

Yeah, the witch king's sword burst into flame and he threw back his cloak, revealing his glowing eyes and crown sitting on his invisible head.

He was bluffing. Glorfindel, who made the prophecy about his demise, was being literal.

Rankin/Bass did this scene right, although the Witch King us riding a Pegasus and not a normal horse like ge should be. I have no idea why, the fell beasts are pterosaurs and are correctly portrayed as such in the rest of the film.

Anyway, the scene: youtube.com/watch?v=IX-ybJUz-rk

It's just a Macbeth reference.

>Dude gets prophecy that no man can kill him.
>Misinterprets it as meaning that's he's immortal, rather than it just meaning that the one who kills him won't be a man.

The Macbeth version is even more bullshit though, since the prophecy in that is that no man born of a woman can kill him, and it turns out the dude who ends up killing him was born from a c-section. Seemed like a hell of a stretch for a "GOTCHA" twist. Apply yourself, Shakespeare.

>Gandalf the Grey beats a Balrog of Morgoth (minor god)
And dies... Did you actually watch the movies?

Yeah, but he died after he destroyed the Balrog's physical form. And in return for fighting the good fight and for actually doing the job he was sent to do, he got to use his extra life token and get another play.

It was you retard, WK was BUFFED during Siege of Gondor how is that so hard to understand you Gandalf headcanon fags are the fucking worst

the voice is absolute garbage

Yeah prove it with an in book citation not shit from your fucking video games you subliterate faggot.

The only disadvantage that Gandalf had was that he was forced to restrain himself when dealing with things that directly affected the War of the Ring. He was forbidden to use his innate powers to help or hinder, and he stuck to that rule.

Sauron and the Witch King, on the other hand, were not bound by anyone's rule. Sauron could use all of his authority and ability as he wished and he could pour his will into the Witch King, who had spent the past few thousand years learning every bit of dark magic that he could from his master while also worshiping him.

Gandalf could have easily outmatched the WK, if the gloves were permitted to come off, but to contend with WK, the other riders, as well as the will of Sauron (who was still one of the most powerful Maiar), at one time, would have been a bit much.

Gandalf and Saruman are Istari, similar to the Maiar, but not quite the same.

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The Istari weren't holding themselves back you retard the Valar made them weaker. If they could have gone full power at any time Saruman would have done so. Now go and read the fucking book if you want to talk like you know shit.

how about you prove it from a book you stupid cunt, it is NEVER said or implied that Gandalf would stomp on the Witch King in that encounter

No, no and no. Do you fucking retards just get your information from the same morons parroting this shit in Yea Forums threads

So much this. Fuck the extended editions. Cinematic cut is where it's at.

The Istari were just five specific Maiar who'd had their powerlevels capped to make sure they'd keep to their work as emissaries.

I'm not going to lie, the Skeletor voice has grown on me.

>how about you prove it from a book you stupid cunt

As I thought, you have nothing.

>it is NEVER said or implied that Gandalf would stomp on the Witch King in that encounter

Except for the two seperate occasions when Gandalf defeated mutiple ringwraiths at the same time. Durr. Reading is hard!

Sit down and read the fucking book, wiki scholar. Or rather, you're probably getting all this from video games, not even the wikis.

Commit non-alive, fucker.

Cite the passage in the book that mentions the Valar. All of that shit came out in the Silmarillion and in the Histories of Middle Earth. None of it was mentioned in the Lord of the Rings. I've read the books at least a dozen times. Go ahead and show me the word "Valar" in LotR.

>All of that shit came out in the Silmarillion and in the Histories of Middle Earth.

So?

>Go ahead and show me the word "Valar" in LotR.

They're referred to as "the powers" only, as I recall. As with Faramir's prayer.

Why the fuck does it matter if it's in the Silmarillion? Do you know what the Silmarillion is?

Frankly, if Star Wars looked more like this, it would be a lot better. The OT was heavily inspired by sword'n'sorcery and desert barbarian genres, mixed with the obvious Kurosawa influences. The PT tried to polish everything up and make it look like sleeker space adventures, which had the unfortunate opposite effect of making most environs bland and tepid. The NT pretty much discarded any creativity whatsoever and focused more on the sociopolitical than on any adventure motifs. The only credit I'll give it is the pirate bar environment, but even that was poorly utilized in the story.

>Do you know what the Silmarillion is?

As opposed to all of the other things called Silmarillion? Quit deflecting and start quoting. Either contribute or go fuck yourself.

I'm not him and he doesn't even need to quote shit. You already admitted that the Valar are mentioned in the Silmarillion. You need to explain why the Silmarillion isn't a valid source.

His point is, what the fuck does it matter if this information comes from one book Tolkien wrote rather than another?

>and even then by an elven magical sword used by Merry, not one ordinarily fashioned by men
this was mentioned not even once in the films

jesus christ, have sex with each otheryou fucking nerds

Most of those people you responded to don't have a fucking clue what they're talking about, they're posers who pretend to have read the legendarium but can't because their ADHD-addled zoomer brains won't allow it.

>is Peter Jackson retarded?

the original ending was aragorn fighting sauron at the black gates and defeating him in single combat right before the ring was destroyed. they shot all of it, and only viggo protested that it didn't work for the story or the character. he did interviews about it on the special edition dvd release. probably on youtube. they later CGI'd it into that troll that knocks him down.

here's part of it:

youtube.com/watch?v=C97qFHl0jVw