Was I just punked?

was I just punked?
everyone keeps telling me this was amazing, but I just finished it and here's what I gathered:
>~20 episodes of villain of the week garbage filler with virtually nothing advancing the story
>4 episodes of character development and story advancement
>1.5 episodes of wtf why are we in his head
>.5 episodes of eh, fuck it we're not gonna end anything and just say accept yourself

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sneedvangelion

Did you watch end of evangelion?

hey looks like you might be retarded
you should get help with that

so was it all a dream?

still better than 99% of anime, which is saying a lot

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Is everything ok, OP?

From what he wrote it looks like he didn't see EoE. So no, it wasn't all a dream. There was an actual ending. He just didn't watch it.

Watch the movie nigger it will all work out

Imagine the smell

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watch EoE you stupid faggot

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did you watch the movie?

>the story doesn't make sense unless you watch an alternative version of the ending, duh
okay bud thanks for that

It's not good, you're correct. For the wrong reasons, but stopped clock and all.

The only way it would have worked out is if Anno had killed himself at the end of it.

>which is saying a lot
not really, considering most anime is hot garbage

What a dumb fuck you are dawg

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THEY WERE OUT OF FUNDS

>alternative version of the ending
you mean the actual ending. EoE is what 25/26 were supposed to be before gainax's budget went to shit.

Spot on Op. my feeling exactly. I suppose we just aren’t into pedo shit and basic bitch philosophy

>gee, I wonder why all the negative posts about NGE use the first image result from a google search
you're not as smart as you think you are

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Consider the following: Eva is the worst Gainax series.

She? looks like a boy

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not an excuse
not what anyone at all said before I started
everyone just says "the show has one ending from one perspective and the movie is the same ending from another perspective"
go fuck yourself

give me another (you) baka

Oldfag/old school anime fan here. It’s not just you. I’ve always hated Evangelion too - I mean, literally from the first time I ever saw it back in 1995. It’s pretentious and derivative, with unlikeable characters and dumb-looking mech designs. Literally everything in it has been done better by other shows, many of which remain mostly forgotten while people still fawn over this piece of shit show that Gainax keeps remaking over and over again as a cheap cash-in instead of doing something original. It’s not even a very good metaphor for clinical depression - Girls Last Tour did that way, WAY better.

Why this shit show has the following it does, i have no idea. I guess a lot of people like pretentious and unoriginal.

and?

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Oldfag/old school Messi fan here. It’s not just you. I’ve always hated Ronaldo too - I mean, literally from the first time I ever saw him back in 2007. He’s pretentious and derivative, with unlikeable goals and dumb-looking assists. Literally everything has been done better by other players, many of whom remain mostly forgotten while people still fawn over this piece of shit player that Juventus keeps playing over and over again as a cheap cash-in instead of buying someone original. He’s not even a very good metaphor for clinical depression - Torres did that way, WAY better.

Why this shit show has the following it does, i have no idea. I guess a lot of people like pretentious and unoriginal.

why does it matter what they told you before you started it? i'm telling you what happened and why the endings are the way they are. EoE is the proper ending. watch it, you fucking retard.

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>pretentious
possibly the most pretentious thing I've seen in the last decade
>derivative
I wouldn't know since I'm not actually an anime fan
>unlikeable characters
fuck yes. literally the only character I thought showed any promise was that classmate with the glasses who was just completely abandoned for no reason after villain of the week shit stopped... like why even have the classmates or a school at all if that's what you're gonna do? why 26 episodes if you can't fund them? why 20 useless episodes of filler when the only interesting bit comes when you don't have money left?
it was a fucking mess.

cool
no, the series was shit, and I'd rather not waste my time
the giant middle finger they gave me in the final 2 episodes made me lose any and all interest in finding out "what happens" in the main story that may or may not even be real

myth

it was time constraints, by the time they actually finished 26 it was due that day.

>It’s not even a very good metaphor for clinical depression
You have to be pretty fucking dumb to think this is the show's principal theme.

not him, but I still don't get what the principal theme is supposed to be
lots of kabbalah imagery, but that whole thing is completely abandoned by episode 25

It doesn't fucking matter. The movie is not necessary to understand the series. The series is a complete work, the movie just adds to it.

>The series is a complete work
yeah, a complete work of shit

I just finished rewatching NGE and EoE since all my normie friends started watching it. It’s as kino as I remembered.

It's not just monster of the week, every episode is driving the characters to where they are at the end of the story and fleshing them out progressively for you the viewer. Even shit episodes like Magma Diver.
>just say accept yourself

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nah it's trash

There isn't one theme, there are several.
>The hedgehog's dilemma i.e. the psychology behind closing yourself off from forming close relationships with people
>the relationship between parents and their children and how significantly those relationships impact people's lives and development
>the importance of voluntarily taking responsibility for the ways in which you can be helpful to others and how that simultaneously makes you and the world as a whole better
>the psychology of grappling with the human condition, i.e. unavoidable suffering, and exploring the question of whether or not it's even worth living at all
Those are just a few of the major themes, but there are lots more.

Isnt*

It’s about overcoming pessimism by using an ontological approach. There’s a reason it’s full of references to philosophers and writers.

>shinji wearing an off the shoulder crop top with a sports bra underneath and spandex shorts
I get the symbolism of them dressing the same but did anybody else find this....strange?

No show or movie can give you taste. You have to bring that with you

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>every episode is driving the characters to where they are at the end of the story
what end of the story?
you could have flat out DELETED 80% of the first 20 episodes and it wouldn't have made ANY difference in the character development which - I repeat myself - went NOWHERE
24 episodes of world building only to conclude in... Shinji talking in his head? With the animation being a bunch of squiggly lines and fucking TITLE CARDS?
>This is extremely antithetical to the actual message of the show.
those words are almost said word for word

You guys are honestly worse than the retarded OP

>overcoming pessimism
give me one example of this from the series

hey c'mon man... it was a different time

>netflix created a whole new generation of weebs and filtered plebs ensuring eva threads will never change for the next 30 years
how does anno do it?

which is why I was willing to forgive it for the filler crap
shitting on some slides and flipping off the viewers wasn't even acceptable in the 90s
I am baffled a movie was made considering I can't imagine anyone having any interest in watching a movie after that garbage heap of a series

oh fuck
weeb intellect

>Japanese media can't possibly contain legitimate philosophical and psychological themes
It's sad when people are so retarded they don't even realize how retarded they are.

>homosexual moron makes thread just to talk about how much he hated a show
>people comment in thread for some reason, engaging the homosexual moron despite him saying nothing substantial
Just another day on Yea Forums

Boomer, here. I remember this shit back in the day and couldn't get past episode 4 because Shinji is such a bitch.

doesn't ep 25/26 happen in the middle of EoE when they're all in the tang reviewing each others minds and shinji emerges out of the ocean after the "congratulations" scene

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>couldn't get past episode 4 because I missed the whole fucking point
That's too bad, bud.

>something exists as a tertiary plot point until the "fuck you" ending
>this is a theme, one of many
yeah, naw
oh sorry, am I not supposed to talk about disliking something that was widely recommended? I'm not supposed to warn others not to waste 13 hours of their time?
I do like how you dissed yourself though.

Not him but yeah, I believe that's the implication. I remember seeing short clips in 25 I think of Ritsuko and Misato laying dead after being shot and expecting that to be foreshadowing, then being confused when it never happened, but once I saw the movie it made sense that those episodes took place at the end of EoE

Usually these OPs are Eva fans pretending to be contrary just because they want to discuss their cartoons

no, I'm just pissed I wasted my time

Clearly those episodes couldn't have been deleted since you missed the point of the ending so egregiously.
I actually didn't think it was possible to be so smooth brained you watch something like Rei dying and conclude it mattered not at all to the other characters in narrative.

The director literally said that’s what the theme of Evangelion was.

>oh sorry, am I not supposed to talk about disliking something that was widely recommended? I'm not supposed to warn others not to waste 13 hours of their time?
So you acknowledge the fact that you're in the minority in your feelings towards the show, because the majority of people think it's good. Yet you believe spreading your opinion will help people not to waste their time. But it isn't a waste of time to most people if most people like it.
So basically what I'm saying is you're a fucking idiot.

>blaming others for your own failings
Man you really didn't understand the show

The only acceptable anime comes from Miyazaki/Studio Ghibli and I even doubt to call that anime.

I don't believe you. You are lying.

>Rei dying
that's episode 23, which is during the period I designated "character development and story advancement"
despite thinking you're a super intellectual, you failed to even read the short OP before making a fool of yourself

>coping this hard

>So you acknowledge the fact that you're in the minority in your feelings towards the show, because the majority of people think it's good.
The majority of people think that Big Bang Theory is hip, sophisticated, and a realistic look at what smart people are like.

The majority of people have shit taste.

you’re completely ignoring the B plot, like gendo working with seele but scheming behind their backs, kaji giving him Adam’s embryo, how Gendo and Fuyutski got wrapped up in all this because of Yui, Kaji getting killed, Seele plotting with Kaworu to take down NERV... that stuff might not seem like a big deal until you watch the movie. so just watch it you fag, you already wasted 15 hours watching the fucking series what’s another 2?

Why are people still engaging this trolling sperg?
Sage

I actually went there to see if there were any threads on it so I could shit on this garbage show

I picked something that was the conclusion of a thread that ran from the first episode through to the twenty-third precisely because you'd come back with this moronic response.
Her death and the characters reactions to it do not exist in the vacuum of that single episode. You don't understand a thing.

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no I'm not, since all those things happen after episode 20
yeah, and like I said: 80% of those episodes could have been flat out deleted
preserve the tiny bit of important information in like 2 episodes and you could have had a solid 10 episode miniseries where they had time/money/whatever people's excuse is to actually FINISH it

That's irrelevant. You claimed that your intent with this autistic thread was to save people time, but if most people like the show than it isn't wasting their time. So either you're an idiot or a liar or both. My money's on both.

he didn't make the thread
I did.
and I contend most normal people would not enjoy this series

Shut up fag nobody's talking to you.

Sounds like you are just pissed that people enjoy something that you don't.
stop being a whinny bitch and get a life looser.

virtually everyone in this thread is talking to me

>I'm right and everybody else is wrong
You must be 18 to post here, sport

I felt this way too and it really irritated me. I enjoyed the characters but I felt the plot was never engaging enough until episode 20 but it seemed like there was tons of information the show wanted me to already know that I did not get before that point to really enjoy the plot advancements.

Never fully understood what happened in the second impact, what lilith and lillin were and what the differences were, what the tree of life was or why people popped into goo in the movie. I also couldn't really fathom the third impact because I could not tell what I was seeing was really happening or more abstract concepts. Like were Shinji and the dumb read head girl the only two people left "alive? Was the rest of humanity the goo/blood that was inside the giant Rei? What would happen after and what were the actual effects?

I totally understand and accept the idea that I just never got it because clearly that's what happened, but it severely hurt my enjoyment of the show

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I think the "filler" episodes do a lot more for the show than you'd think at first. Each episode develops the characters and builds on the show's themes. I can't think of a bad or pointless episode really.

Virtually all you ever think about is sucking cock

Just read the fan wikipedia pages. It explains everything.

sorry you didn't get it

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It's too bad you didn't enjoy it that much. Is there anything you liked about it? I'd still say watch EoE because it's interesting.

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Cringe

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>Never fully understood what happened in the second impact
You never are supposed to, at least I don't think you are.
All the show tells you is that something was discovered underground and when they dug it up the second impact happened, unless I'm forgetting something which is possible. But even what they tell you, you aren't even sure if you can believe it because there's so much deception and misinformation with Seele and Nerv (like Lilith being Adam)

I didn't get it either the first time round. But upon re-seeing it, all the puzzle pieces fell into place. The second time seeing it was as enjoyable if not more than the first time when everything was mysterious and inexplicable.

Evangelian is gay as fuck and retarded. Actually its not that bad but people beat their meat to this series even tho the creator actively mocks hardcore evafags for being weebs. It's fucking hilarious and he keeps profiting off their insane and unhealthy obsession.

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Trying to capture and replicate adam caused the second impact which is totally understandable. It's a pretty blatant metaphor for scientific knowledge that resulted in the atom bomb, which Japan in particular is all too familiar with the consequences of.

I mean it's the theme behind Godzilla, and why Anno was tapped to direct Shin Godzilla.

You may not be intelligent enough to understand the show, but you're wise enough not to blame others, which makes you pretty based in my book.

do you think Pen Pen has any relation to the experiments in Antarctica?

Ultimately, technology is double edged sword (this is a cliche, but it's so important that its aesthetics don't matter). Japan is more aware of this than any other society on Earth, having been the only ones to bear the brunt of it.

Never thought about that, but it's an interesting connection considering Misato's backstory.

I just couldn't remember if that info was in the original series, I was thinking you didn't learn that until the rebuild movies but maybe I'm remembering wrong.

This is why I log onto into this webs sighte once and a while.

definitely memed
always REMEMBER: do the opposite of what Yea Forums says.

Yeah you're remembering wrong. Just watch it again on Netflix. There is a whole sequence of "UN footage from the Antarctic" right in the middle of the original series.

earth was seeded by an alien race

the 2 species on earth shouldn't be there at the same time

scientists dig up the other species that deactivated its self to experiment on it, It reactivates

this is the 2nd impact, It happens in Antarctica

nerve is based where they found the seed responsible for the human race, the angels attack nerv becuase they have adam the seed from antartica

the first is when the 2 seeds hit earth

seele is a cult that have some dead sea scrolls and want to cause the 3rd impact on purpose

2nd impacts is just basically the angels waking up

But.. Yea Forums is overrun with Eva right now. Yea Forums is also overrun with capeshit, and everyone watches that.

My understanding of Lilith/Lilin was: Lilith was the 2nd angel who caused the 2nd impact, and Lilin is the angel word for human

I liked the "cinematography" in episode 1 a lot

Well if that's the case, I'm more interested in re watching it now. More than anything, I felt like I made a mistake understanding certain things at certain point. Like halfway through the episode the Jesus kid shows up near the end I felt like I missed a couple big things.

You teenagers are embarrassing.

lillin is just life as you know it

>watch EoE to see the real conclusion of those arcs, bro
>NO I WANT TO STAY MAD
repeat ad nauseum.

That would have been nice to know sometime during the series

no adam caused the 2nd impact

why do people not understand even the basic plot of this show

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so you just watch godard films then?
that guy is dead, you know

I'm 30

the last 2 episodes, Kaworu’s final dialogue

It's so obvious though. The whole series and all Godzilla films are permeated with it. No less the Godzilla film that Anno himself directed. Japan is obsessed with this theme and has been since WWII

tranny's need to burn and those (like you) who like them.

Had the series ended with a cliffhanger that leads to a film I'd accept it. The series ended with an hour of line drawings and title cards with a bunch of psycho babble out of NOWHERE that has zero connection to the main plot. Put yourself in the mindset of someone who just finished this in the mid 90s. Now why on Earth would you go see a movie based on this series?

That's part of why it was why confusing. I'm used to anime attributing religious/myhtological names to just their own OCs rather than the name itself being something to invoke a meaning to audience. Like in anime you're more likely to see Lilin/Lilith as an actual character rather than something more abstract

You're going to have to be more specific for those of us who don't have the entire script memorized

I mean the plot point of reactivating Adam, not the techno=bad theme, which is pretty clear most of the way through

This. I turned a few teenagers I know onto Evangelion and so far they like it.

They are one and the same.

what do you think they congratulate shinji for at the end of episode 26?

It’s peak “if you didn’t watch it when you were 15 don’t bother”

By the way, I don't believe LCL or the merging of all consciousnesses is a metaphor for anything. Anno is predicting the future here. It sounds like new age technobabble today, but in a couple of decades everyone will consider this idea to have been prescient. Consciousness can be merged between individuals. This is not science fiction, it's science fact. You read it here first.

please stop lewding asuka

Friendly reminder, these are the people claiming Evangelion is "deep," and if you didn't like the meaningless filler "you just didn't get it"

>for liking me for me

kinda sad that when we watched it at 14 we got it but normies are struggling with even the most basic plot points at 30

they start going weird like this guy trying to understand it

No one said there's no "filler". The character development is where it's at. And even if it's just a handful of episodes, that's still a full-length movie.

it’s as deep as one makes it

Honestly due to the unreliable narrator I'm not even sure they were real at that point

No, people here are literally saying every moment of episodes 5-20 was meaningful and necessary

It's not trying to understand it, it's just a coincidence. You should read up more on current research on consciousness. But of course, you never will because you're too busy masturbating or whatever it is that you do.

It's all about the feeling. Everything in life that feels deep is just a feeling. There are no exceptions to this rule. You can call it deception if you like. But "you can't not manipulate". This is just the nature of being human. It's why intelligence agencies are so central to everything that happens on the global stage. Intelligence has inherent in it the OUTSMARTING of others.

you sound like one of those people who didn't get good grades but feels like he is smarter than everyone else

you are heading for a nervous break down

I mean I also watched it pretty recently and didn’t enjoy it very much, but I can appreciate a 15 yo that’s struggling with self acceptance and pessimism would be very satisfied to find some unexpected empathy in his mecha anime. Plus, it has some religious imaginary used in apocalyptic undertones, that would’ve been interesting to see for the first time I guess. But if your way past those basic adolescent struggles it won’t give you much more enjoyment than any other action anime, and will find all the praise and talks of it being deep to be completely overblown.

to watch the ending
stay mad tho

The bottom line is that if you can't relate to the thought processes being dealt with in those last two episodes, you won't have gotten anything out of the show up to that point, and you won't get anything out of the ending.
For me, watching it for the first time at 31 years old, it was still very powerful because I've been struggling with the same psychological and philosophical issues the show deals with.
The people who don't relate to it are either too young to have experienced these things yet, too dense to realize what's actually going on, or has never put much thought into these issues. There are plenty of people who are simply not "deep thinkers" and only care about the surface level of life. These people won't get anything out of NGE, just like how people who are deeper thinkers don't get anything out of the shallow surface level shows like Big Bang Theory.

You just described everyone who posts on this websight. So perceptive, you are.

lmao

I’m grown now and as I rewatched it recently I got a lot of references (Schopenhauer, Shakespeare, etc) that I didn’t get when younger, so I feel like this time the show had a lot more weight than what I thought. I now think it’s even more profound and I really appreciate the courage Anno and artists in general have to expose themselves in something like this.

in a few more years you will be ranting on /x/ about how you can astral project or what your bad feels are not real lmao

>taking weebs seriously
you punked yourself

Get back to me after you've spent years trying to dig yourself out of hell after losing the person you were closest to in a tragic fatal accident and falling into a deep depression.

So anime is really that worthless, huh

eva is not super 'deep' at all, it's mostly straightforward except for the FAR lore and the specifics on instrumentality. that it is super deep is a literal meme and the famous image has even been posted in this thread twice. it does do a better job of characterizing the cliched roles in mecha anime but it's not the first to try and 'deconstruct' mecha. but you are trivializing the other themes explored in the show, especially annos own struggles with depression and ties to other people - when he was experiencing it he was way past adolescence.

this is how i fell into this show

first i saw an anime music video of it on kazaa set to offspring's pretty fly for a white guy

it just made it seem like a fun mecha show which my 11 year old self would have been interested in

then i downloaded the show, and as i went on it became more and more engrossing

this is still in the context of an 11 or 12 year old boy

but as i tried to watch it again today as an adult it felt just as engrossing

maybe that's just nostalgia

but i've tried to do the same with other shows i watched as a preteen and none of them held up

this is the only one

and it doesn't have to make sense so to say

it just has to hold its atmosphere

which it does

what the fuck is wrong with your enter key

I don't care about anime. Eva is a good show irregardless

I think the problem is that most people use the term "deep" to mean "significant", but then certain people interpret it to mean "enigmatic" or difficult to understand.
The themes in Eva aren't difficult to understand, they're presented quite clearly, but they are still deeply significant.

for niggas that finished this i'd suggest serial experiments lain as a follow up since it's the only other anime i've found to achieve any semblance of a similar feeling to nge
jej

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It's next on my list

Get the fuck off my board, idiot

That was due to behind the scenes drama:

1. Midway through production, Anno had a nervous breakdown, basically realizing that he had wasted so much of his life being a nerd and started hating himself and nerds. This most likely was based upon how Rei (his deconstruction of emotionless, bland, utterly submissive women in Anime/Japanese pop culture) was embraced unironically by Japanese nerds and even fetishized.

His response was to make the show more gorey and violent and nhillistic

2. There was a major terrorist attack in Japan in 1994, when production on the last third of Evangelion happened that forced them to drop an entire subplot; rumors circulate, this is why SEELE never got it's main goals stated on screen. They were supposed to be outed as a doomsday cult and that they would turn on NERV way earlier than expected, killing nearly the entire NERV staff with nerv gas and forcing everyone to flee to another location with the EVAs, for the final couple of episodes as they seek to protect both Rei and EVA-1 from SEELE and lead to the final episodes taking place in the location where the aliens who seeded life on Earth lived (the "First Ancestral Race"; a plot point cut from the series when the last third got rewrote).

3. Even with the nerv gas/doomsday cult plotline cut, the replacement arcs were super dark and caused sponsors to bail out and the show moved to a late night time slot. In particular, Toji's fate and the episoe where EVA-1 kills/eats an Angel alive and the gorey reveal that the Angels are actually human beings encased in all-concealing armor, scared sponsors and local censors shitless and they bailed/cost the show huge in it's production budget.

good luck

4. The final straw was the episode that ended with (due to slashed budgets) Misota and Kaji in bed after having sex. Though the scene was mostly the voice actors talking off-camera while a static background image is seen, it was considered the final straw with censors. So EVERY episode from that point on, had to be submitted to TV censors in script form before being animated.

5. Finally, they ran dangerously close to running out of money. Hence why the last batch of episodes had long scenes of nothing happening/no movement from characters (like Rei/Asuka in the elevator and the super fucking 2-3 minute shot of EVA-1 standing perfectly still while Kawora was in it's hands. It's also why the mindrape episode was pretty much reanimated from scratch for home video release.

And why was this? Because Gainex executives had been embezzling and were caught flat footed when Evangelian was a hit. Even the pulling out of the sponsors and the TV censor problems didn't hurt them; hell, even the move to the late night time slot DOUBLED their audience/viewership numbers. Worse, the cutting of the budget put them in a tight spot so they fucked Anno over to hide the embezzlement as they realized they were fucked and would eventually go to jail when they couldn't hide the embezzling, when they got caught moving around merch money to cover up their theft.

don't be a fag watch the dubs

>nerv gas
too much of a coincidence
nice troll though

6. The script for Kawaro's death was left vague in the original script. Censors thought he would be crushed to death but the TV version has his head pop off the body when squeezed to death and it landing in the water below (granted, it's not outright shown, only heard via sound effect). This made the censors wanting Anno's head for "lying to them" and made it IMPOSSIBLE for them to run episodes #25 and #26 as originally envisioned.

7. This led to Anno hastily creating the concept of having the last two episoes take place in Shinji's head after Instrumentality takes place off-camera. First to allow them to deal with the now slashed to the bone production budget to use cheap "experimental" animation for the two episodes. But also because, by this point, Anno's breakdown led to him deciding to use the final two episodes to rant about how Otakus needed to get out of the basement and expericence actual real life and this would let hm do so.

The story was just a therapy session. Any lore you can find in the game Evangelion 2 which was barely touched because Anno was making up as he went.

source on 2 or bullshit. pretty sure nothing BTS or otherwise ever mentioned FAR.

Actually poster is telling the truth.

There was an actual nerve gas terror attack by a doomsday cult in Japan at the time the show was being made:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack

It had a huge impact on a lot of stuff going into production at the time; besides NGE, Toei had to retool OhRangers from a super dark, super violent invasion from outer space show and make it more generic and less scary. Which damn near killed Super Sentai, as the rewrites resulted in a schizophrenic mess of a series and fans didn't watch it period

>Girls Last Tour
thanks for the rec man. amen to the rest of the post.

I cry everytime

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nobody saved the non annoying music clips of Kaworu one shooting Ramiel and Zeruel?

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You 30 year old teenagers are embarrasing

i died
thanks

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Just the ad clip, sadly. Which is shorter.

kek

OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
DON'T DO THIS
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>this is the kind of person Eva speaks to
>this is the kind of person it doesn't speak to
And yet somehow, naive 20-somethings still claim it's for children.
If you think the themes in Eva are only relatable to a teenager, you didn't understand the themes in Eva. Ironically, the "too deep for you?" meme is actually spot on in most cases. Not in the sense that it's a "deep" series, but in the sense that the people who dislike it are by and large too dense and shallow to have comprehended the themes despite them being so straightforward.

EoE still makes me cry a little.

Evangelion sucks ass

>Trying to capture and replicate adam caused the second impact which is totally understandable
What caused the Second Impact was the "contact experiment." They shoved lilim DNA to the slumbering Adam's core and removed the Spear of Longinus this made Adam's body overheat and grow and literally EXPLODE. It was an act of rape and childbirth, as all impacts are, this caused a new terraformation of the planet too which led to the erasure of seasons. Seele was looking to:
A) weaken Adam and separate the body and soul for their own purposes (they basically have Kaworu do their whims until he meets Shinji and chooses him over them).
B) They needed to birth the angels to use as sacrificial lambs for their rituals.
Misato in EoE finally gts this info (off screen) and realizes belatedly the enemy was human all along. She misplaced her hatred and revenge against angels who were basically victims, and children.

Adam and Lilith are seeds of life, they are members and leaders of an ancient species that we know as "First Ancestral Race". Basically, their planet was like Krypton. We don't know if it's there's life outside them. The inhabitants of the planet tanged themselves (lost their at fields, and become souls) and got carried in the "Arks" to seek a planet assigned to them to manifest their souls. There are seven seeds of life in total.
Impacts are like childbirth. Violent Terraformation of a planet, and the materialization of the souls the seeds carry. The seeds are neither male or female but are identified as "mothers."
Each seeds have two fruits, the knowledge fruit which allows development and individuality, and the life fruit which gives power and might/healing (almost immortality).

Earth was originally a planet assigned to Adam, but when Adam was slowly making the terraforming it, Lilith accidentally crashed on it. This is called the First Impact. It's believed the pre-history lifeforms were from Adam. For some reason, unknown but hinted wasn't natural, Lilith and Adam lost or have excess of a fruit, life on Adam's case, and knowledge of Lilith, so they made each other incompatible. Anyway, from this first impact, Lilith accidentally gives birth to the lilin lifeforms, including mankind which she never meant to make and wants to undo to start over. Because of the lack of fruit of life, she remains unable to regenerate on the craker she crashed while Adam enters in slumber to avoid the fruits clashing by the failsafe called Longinus.

The Katsuragi expedition sent Misato's father manipulated by Seele to insert human DNA in Adam's core while she's slumbering and remove the Longinus spear - the Second Impact 'caused' by Adam was really a rape by the hands of the human scientists who wanted to control her and Lilith. Lilith and Adam were butchered, have their souls removed and pulled into Kaworu and Rei, to be manipulated by Seele and Nerv.

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That was additional footage. It was not in the original release. The VHS did not have this scene, not the DVDs until the re-release extra scenes DVD of the last two volumes.

There are some cooler scenes with Asuka being angry at the bath and walking though shadows as part of her depression etc as well as some additional Kaworu scenes with Seele you might have not seen if you never saw the last two DVDs with the additional footage.

I choose mommy.

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Are those scenes in the Netflix version?

>There was a major terrorist attack in Japan in 1994
Years later, even bedore 9-11, I was anxious about terrorist attacks on subway travel when I went to college.

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Maybe because it's cryptic and convoluted and a lot of it is unexplained and at best implied? Maybe because the information isn't delivered at a slow and steady pace but rather all at once in a couple of episodes towards the end?

They are. As well as the “secret” UN footage that explains a little bit more about second impact. That is in “birth of nerv” episode.

You sound like a faggot

based

>me, a true intellectual, appreciates complex philosophical works like anime with fighting robots and cute girls

they're fucking retarded and so are you, evangelion has 3 part ending
Original ending is part 2 of human instrumentality and is told from inside the head of shinzi and EoE are 1st and 3rd part of instrumentality, it's the same ending, just expanded. Also they were out of funds.

God all those thin 14 year old kids are so fucking sexy. I want to fuck all those thin 14 year old kids, male and female alike.

Shinji's soul is female. This is made perfectly clear.

Wow. How did I forget they actually used the American 04 Eva that blew up in the original series. They even have the shield. Somewhere I think I have that old figure from the Kaiyodo line even though it never showed on the show.

I guess it has been a long time since I watched the Rebuilds.

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No duh.
So is his body.

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So given that Rei's soul is millions of years old... even though her body is that of a 14 year old... thst.. that makes it legal... r-right? Nothing creepy at all.

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You see.. a secret globalist cabal of occultists have used the UN for their nefarious goals. They secretly worship demons and plan on bringing about a new world order in order to ascend from humanity. They believe themselves to be transhumanists. They use genetic engineering, biological tamering, cybernetic enchancement, and AI programs to bring about a new era of human consciousness. Yet they have no moral core. Their value of human life is next to nothing. These monsterous world elite feel they are above the law. They are bringing ruination to America and the world. They have this demon worshiping ideology that they feel supercedes Christianity and American moral fiber. They are fine with abusing children as sacrifices to their crazy cult of power. That is a basic gestalt on why you should not have voted for Hillary Clinton.

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Congratulations.

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Bravo, Del Toro.

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That sounds complicated.

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Dance like you want to win!

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It’s cool. It was set in 2015 when she was 14. So she’s 19 now.

I thought we were all turned to Tang in 2016

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Now watch LOGH. It's another overrated anime crap weebs masturbate to. Your typical weeb watches mostly anime, so he considers violent kitsch like Evangelion a piece of art.

Yes, like how fucking Kaworu is technically straight because Adam is the mother of angels.

What if I get NGE but it's still trash.

Imagine being this much of a brainlet

Shinji decides to restore the world, so the hybrid of Lilith and Adam let lilim return from the tang. Seasons are being restored too. In a special cut snow starts to fall for the first time in 14 years after EoE.

Humans (either angels or lilim) were originally tanged, their souls materialized differently depending of the present vessels. Adam likes the lilim vessel better (so she also took one) and chose them.

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Oh no, that’s awful! Imagine being attracted to girls(male) haha

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It appears animated with cool action scenes courtesy of Kaworu pandering before he gets the Mark 06 and now it switches to Mark 06 instead.

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I've always loved NGE but I just can't stand LoGH. You have to watch like 150 things of basically War & Peace in space and I'm sure it's full of homoerotic filler and dumb dialogue.
The first episode has the shittiest warfare tactic I've ever seen in any medium which is just unacceptable in what's supposed to be a smart show.

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I literally don't remember any of this crap. The world was in ruins at the end of EOE.

>war and peace
Don't insult actual literature. Logh is nothing like WA and peace

what's wrong? Was it... TOO DEEP FOR YOU?!

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What is the anime equivalent of the wire

>I'm sure it's full of homoerotic filler and dumb dialogue.

Just admit you didn't watch more than 10 episodes dude, there's no shame in admitting you just don't have the attention span for it.

You haven't read War&Peace either, stop pretending.

imagine being a homosexual pedophile

More like too boring. OP complains about monster of the week formula, which is a legitimate complain. The show could be easily finished in 10 episodes. The only reason why there were so many angels was to fit it into 24/26 episodes like other anime.

Show would have been stomachable if it was cut down to a third of the length.

>Never fully understood what happened in the second impact, what lilith and lillin were and what the differences were.
Most of those questions here: >Like were Shinji and the dumb read head girl the only two people left "alive?
No: People will return from the tang, originally EVERYONE WAS TANGED, angels and lilin (which are animal, plants and humans) have the same origin: the first ancient race. They came to be accidentally rather than a controlled materialization. Lilith crashed on earth and spilled around, so the lilin was born without her consent (and why she wants it all back to her womb to start over if you check her major conflict in her Eva 2 game scenario handed by Anno) while Adam had her core violated which blasted her into an impact which birthed the angels to sacrifice for Seele ritual (they are basically rape babies). However, Lilith and Adam are conflicted mostly because Rei II (who has half of Lilith soul) has attachments and because Kaworu (who has Adam's soul) likes lilin and favors them despite how lilin want to see their own demise (he's just following orders and seele's whims until Shinji) in a twist of irony. Once Shinji decides the world is worth it, the Hybrid of Adam and Lilith allow people to rise from the tang, Asuka and Shinji are the first we see but not the last. Seasons return again. We don't know how lilin will be in the future, because the hybrid no longer had decifience of fruit of life. This was why Lilith regenerated after merging with Adam.

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The world is in ruins but is recovering. Yui's speech say so, and the backstory of Eva puts it on a new light. EOE is still a 'bad end' in the game Anno made a few years later not the worst end, but it basically was Shinji not able to confront his issues and needing the world to end for it, but he has 3 Deus ex machina to pat his ass and fix it: Adam, Lilith and his mom.

The snow falling is on the credits of the latest EoE version to make it clear, the impact reseted the enviroment. That picture of Asuka, and Shinji with Kaworu and Rei holding the world with Kaworu holding the blue earth restored came with that version.

>sacrifice
Why? I don't remember anything about any sacrifice. The angels tried to get to Lillith or Adam for some purpose and that's it. Like every episode is about this.

If animals and plants also got tanged then good luck survivivg.

I should've said a bad copy of War & Peace.
It's not a matter of attention span. And yes, I couldn't watch more than 10 episodes.
>stop pretending
At least 5 of the old fiction charts from Yea Forums were put together by me. I've lurked Yea Forums since before TTGL.
At any rate, no Nip could could ever pen something better than the Prince's charge in W&P.

You need to rewatch and read the lore. The angels are basically children, they were born 15-14 years ago (like the pilots, get it? That's why when they try to contact and reach out they take their forms - because they are children). Yes, some want to merge with their mother (like the children are piloting their moms, see?) because they are afraid, angry or confused. Some are destructive because they are scared and confused. Others are just wandering without knowing what to do.
SEELE purposefully caused the Second Impact to control Adam and create the angels who are sacrifices for the ritual to start the Third Impact and seat themselves as gods. They wanted to either control Kaworu to do this for them (and destroy humanity) which backfired because Kaworu fell for Shinji and went out their control, or sacrifice all the angels and pilots to control the ritual via the MPVEvas and Eva 01 who is a Lilith clone, so their backup plan was to plant suicidal thoughts on Kaworu. A lot of this is expanded if Eva 2 videogame which includes the worst end where Shinji never met Kaworu and Kaworu starts an impact that turns Seele into a new hive god in Eva 01 (replacing Yui) while Kaworu laments about the end of the lilin.

All will return. Remember they came from the LCL in the first place when Lilith crashed and spilled on earth. Plus if you notice the cross of Misato rusted and Shinji still remained the same physically, it's a hint that they have fruit of life now I think.

What a convoluted mess. Is this stuff even in the show or hinted at in this new edition? I watched it like ten years ago, read a lot about Eva on Eva forum and I don't remember any of that.
Angels were from Adam and wanted to merge with Lilith to start the end of the world, while seele wanted the humans to merge with lilith to start their own end of the world. This is the interpretation I remember.

I wish I could rape all EVA fans, faggot manchildren.

A bit in interviews, booklet stuff in EoE newest edition, and most lore background stuff was detailed in a game Anno got involved with the lore-details and shit called Evangelion II on 2003 (he named it 2 because he thought he would never do a 'sequel' animated, it was not until years later Rebuild happened). It featured serious and comical 'what if' where you can pick ANY character of the show and make them the MC over Shinji and delivered a different Evangelion which in some cases are pretty good. On the course of this, you find out secrets you couldn't have on Shinji's POV scenario (like Kaji's for example, unmask a lot of SEELE shit Misato found out off-screen and why she said "the enemy was always human" aka SEELE was behind everything). Shinji's serious scenario was basically the show, with several endings and outcomes, EoE was one of the bad endings but not the worst endings (which is either Kaworu never meets him, and like random angel reaching dogma), the good ending averts the Impact and for that you need to have Shinji persuade Kaworu not to be suicidal and to get Rei III choose her identity as Rei so it cockblocks both SEELE and Gendo plans before they hatch. Sure Lilith and Adam cockblock them by choosing to give the control of everything to Shinji but at this point Shinji is mindfucked and emotionally unstable and is like EVERYONE DIES, and so all tumbles down until he collects himself in EoE.

Anno explained he sees EoE as a multiverse, so the game kind of brought out the multiple scenarios thing. You peel the secrets small or big and discover the truth behind it.

>ywn sniff asuka's dirty socks

why even live?

>EoE as a multiverse
I mean Eva. He thinks of Eva in more game logic than a lineal story with different routes (not talking about romantic stuff, I mean in the way the story can happen).

>Angels were from Adam and wanted to merge with Lilith to start the end of the world, while seele wanted the humans to merge with lilith to start their own end of the world. This is the interpretation I remember.
Some angels want that, some just want to find ADAM (like the fish angel was going for Adam) or confuse Lilith by Adam, because like, it's their mom, they just want to be with her. Some are just 'wandering around aimlessly' or want to contact the lilin (those angels who 'mentally rape' the pilots were just honestly trying to talk to them and understand them but they didn't know better). Angels are literal children, they were born in the impact, their shape regardless, you need to remember their souls are the same origin as humans. This was all kept classified naturally.

Lain is next on my list too.

Angels' goals aren't the same. Some are scared and looking to survive, others want to be reunited with Adam, others are "wandering around in confusion." But like that user said, the Second Impact was artificially forced to birth them to act as a sacrifice for the Project. They need their deaths in order to proceed with the Impact. They also need the pilots dead, and that's why they sent people to kill them after the angels are slain.

>He thinks there was only 4 episodes of character development
Oh NONONONO
Nice bait though

>confusing plot
>YOURE NOT SUPPOSED TO UNDERSTAND IT
>unlikable characters
>THEYRE JUST DEPRESSED
>bad ending
>DOESNT MATTER, ITS STILL THE BEST ANIME EVER, YOU ARE A NORMIE IF YOU DISAGREE

Probably smells like blood from all the L.C.L.

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You're just a bit thick user.

>Watching a Sherlock Holmes show
>Sherlock is walking around
>40 min later, drunk in a pub
>"You're the murderer!"
>No evidence has been shown on screen
>The End

What? You didn't find the culprit? It was obvious

Ep 25/26 are the exact same thing as EoE if it wasn't obvious enough with episode 25 having scenes present in the movie later. EoE is for brainlets who didn't get the original ending like you.

Then fuck off

Ultimate brainlet post. Go back to episode 1 and try again

She was also grotesquely fat.

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I only started to fw Evangelion a few weeks ago but the animation in the fights are hella good compared to other 90's shit I've seen, story is retarded

I hate to give netflix credit for anything but I probably wouldnt have rewatched the og series at 30 if they didn't release this version which iirc is the previously jp only remaster. 15 years makes the experience both surreal and nostalgic. A lot of frustrating or incomprehensible moments from the series are now crystal clear with the time difference. Also eoe is kino

Right, but the point is you *already* liked it

Watch EoE

>philosophical issues the show deals with
But the show doesn't actually deal with any psychological issues. It tells a stagnant story of an insecure loser and then cops out with a fake deep ending that offers no satisfaction.

As someone who has been struggling with diagnosed depression for the last two years, I can tell you: this children's cartoon did nothing for me at all

no, I just think the themes are shallow as fuck
>look this character is depressed and has no character development
>that means we've tackled depression, right?

Who are you referring to?

when is literally any of that explained?

>you're retarded for taking a bunch of weebs at their word
fair point

That guy is throwing some headcanon in but the two eggs is explained by misato in EoE, you see the black egg of lilith raising at the end when rei becomes god

You think those references are used in a way that makes the story better, or is ‘getting the reference’ enough to be enjoyable for you? Genuinely curious

100%
I wouldn't even be embarrassed to tell people I've seen it then

I’m sorry for your loss and I’m glad you found some comfort on this particular series.
Still, you comment only reinforces the argument you’re responding to.

>the story doesnt make sense unless you watch the end of the story

i love asuka so much bros

>Angels' goals aren't the same. Some are scared and looking to survive, others want to be reunited with Adam, others are "wandering around in confusion."
says who?

Most of the lore stuff is in a game Anno got involved to answer the nerd outrage about explain the lore over focus on the depression therapy. NGE 2.

Most is covered on Kaji's, Rei's and Kaworu's scenarios, and some of Gendo's and Misato's.

give me one tidbit of character development that occurred somewhere between episodes 5 and 20

see, this is the shit that gets people to think it's actually good before they watch it so they waste 13 hours of their lives

all of them.

>Some of them were trying to access Lilith and reset all life, some of them had nothing in mind, and some were trying to recover their progenitor, Adam.

About Angels: Classified Information. This is the blurb, and gets expanded as you find out stuff via Kaji, including how some angels simply wanted to understand humans - like the one who mindraped Asuka. It wasn't on purpose, he was trying to understand and communicate with her, but she's so fucked up she can't accept anyone getting close.

based

None of them really get over their depression bar maybe asuka in EoE but it could be pure surivial instinct kicking in. Rei gets more depressed as time goes on and it's never really solved for her since she become reigod then dies while shinji causes third impact but then only realizes the importance of human interactions but he's still depressed at the end

>"the show has one ending from one perspective and the movie is the same ending from another perspective"

Even this is a meme that everyone repeats. There's nothing to say they aren't just completely different endings.

Exactly

At this point I need a true fan weeb to admit it's a completely different ending for me to justify watching the movie

Holy shit it's fucking ridiculous how many fans of this show completely take episodes 25/26 at face value and legitimately believe they are just presenting all the other characters in 'tang land' just honestly expressing gratitude towards Shinji despite how on its face retarded that is.

The psychology of depression is the one thing the show is really about in any sense. Saying it's about 'overcoming pessimism simply because of a few scenes near the end causing you to reinterpret the whole show in their light is a bizarre point of view to me.

Anta baka?!

Honestly I feel like I missed the entire point of those episodes. When did the third impact happen? When Shinji killed aworu?

>because the majority of people think it's good

I'm not even sure this is true. The people who like it are just far more tenacious about it, while those who don't aren't going to spend hours going over it and looking up wikis on it just so they can argue against the kind of people who will go "What, you think this? Well clearly you just don't understand X and so your opinion doesn't matter." since they will never convince them of anything do to the shear amount of convoluted bullshit the series contains.

Sounds like the most likely scenario

Episodes 25 and 26 are not MEANT to match the movie 1:1. It's an AU ending according to one of the booklets that came in Japan.

Because Gendo is never tanged, he's rejected and dies. His soul is never part of the process. The TV ending is described as more controlled by Gendo than Shinji afaik, so he reunites with Yui instead of being rejected and slain by her.

>true fan weeb to admit

This won't happen. Eva is basically a cult series where all the core fans have hashed out a kind of mutually agreed upon general interpretation that's only sort of supported by the actual series, but which they've pushed into a kind of default accepted view that sort of acts as its own canon which they act like is just obvious and which anyone should come to independently. Anyone who comes into it fresh either (a) ignores this and is rightfully confused by practically everything (b) gets sucked into the existing cult and comes to adopt their views, which blinds them to how much beyond an extremely high level overview of the show is actually clear and not part of something with several layers of ambiguity

Yeah, that's kind of what I've been saying, absolutely EVERYONE in the fandom not only claims otherwise, but is just sure that they're supposed to be the same series of events, even though they can't show how they're supposed to match up.

Well some events happen: Misato is gunned down, Instrumentality happens, but the TV series ending was called "Gendo's happy ending" and is a lot more ambiguous if Shinji got out that because it's not controlled by him while the movie is controlled by Shinji.

25/26 are companions to EoE brainlet.

Shinji even says "goodbye father" in 26. Why is he the only person Shinji says goodbye to? Because he dies. Shinji is experiencing him in instrumentality because you see what you want.

>but the TV series ending was called "Gendo's happy ending"

Salsa

The mental gymnastics here are something to behold.

Found it:

>Platinum Collection booklets:

>Thus, the story of Eva would branch into two stories with the diverging point being the end of Episode Twenty-Four "The Final Messenger." The two stories each unfold differently and arrive at their own climaxes.
>It is not that one is the complete version and the other is incomplete. Just like the multiple endings of a game, two different endings were prepared for one story.
>Gendo uses Rei to execute the Human Instrumentality Project and the complementation of man begins.
>Gendo says, “All souls will become one and find eternal peace”. His Instrumentality Project must have been for all human souls to be combined as one and to compensate each other for what they have been deprived of. In the story that follows from Episode 25 “Air” to Episode 26 “A Pure Heart For You”, he was not able to execute the scenario he had drawn up. It may be that it was in Episode Twenty-Five and Episode Twenty-Six that his wish actually came true.
>The moment that Shinji gains conviction that it is okay for him to be there, the background changes, and the blue Earth spreads beneath his feet.
>However, there are no continents on this Earth, and it is covered by a gigantic coral reef. It seems this is the Earth that has been transfigured by the Instrumentality Project.
>It is left for the audience to decide whether this ending is the Best Ending or the Bad Ending.

>From the Red Cross Book:
>Thus, the story of Evangelion branches into two after the last scene of episode 24. There is one ending as shown in TV episodes 25 and 26, while episodes 25' and 26' as shown in "THE END OF EVANGELION" are another ending.

They are still trapped in Instrumentality in the TV series, if wasn't obvious by the background and how they are connected.

>Hayashibara: So there will be two episode 25s.

>Anno: Right, it will be a multi-ending.

>Hayashibara: So, a dual... ah, a multi-ending. After episode 24 the endings will diverge.

>Anno: Right.

>Hayashibara: There will be two of them.

>Anno: There will be two of them.

>Hayashibara: Ah, two endings.

>Anno: Yes.

>Hayashibara: In terms of gaming - is it called a simulation game? What do you call it? The ending for that [particular] self changes as you go on [through the game].

>Anno: Right, a multi-ending [game].

Episodes 25&26: Gendo wins, controls Rei (who NEVER REBELS), proceeeds to do Instrumentality. Ends with people blissfully still in Instrumentality and "COMPLETE".

Episodes 25' and 26': Gendo loses, Rei rebels, along with the other mothers, Shinji rejects Instrumentality, people will start to return and the world is going to restore itself.

Two endings. Some events do match, but the endings are different.

And why pray-tell does the fandom just ignore this?

Because the fandom loves their stupid headcanon and can't understand that even if some events line up like Misato and Ritsuka going down, the endings are meant to be different.

So they are just all basically as retarded as I thought then. Thank you.

You did get punked. You were tricked into watching a cartoon that was nothing more than therapy for some nip pedophile with depression

sauce

I gave the sources.
Anno always stated Eva is more like a game in world building btw.

He already posted the endings differences from the Platinium collection. One has Instrumentality triumphing and the other its rejection.

>virtually nothing advancing the story
Imagine being this dumb lmao

The DVD booklet? Doesn't sound very reliable

>same ending from another perspective
Yes, so it is literally not an alternative ending you fucking retard. Same events occur in both endings

It is the translation of the official nip statement.

Because those quotes can be interpreted in a variety of ways. user you see scenes from EoE in 25 and 26, don't be retarded.

They dont. SOME events match but not all.

lol imbecile

You are dumb. It is flat out STATED Gendo does NOT start the Instrumentality in air and pure heart to you aka EOE UNLIKE the tv series ending. You know because Rei ripped Adam from him and told him to fuck off.

EoE scenes are LITERALLY in episode 25 and 26, I mean literally, this is a frame from episode 25. Stop being retarded. We've been over this two decades ago.

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>UNLIKE the tv series ending
This literally is a frame from the tv ending. This doesn't happen in the tv version, is that what you're saying? Great, fuck off now

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>~20 episodes of villain of the week garbage filler with virtually nothing advancing the story

There are no villains in evangelion in case you didn't notice.

>4 episodes of character development and story advancement

Every single episode delves deeply into character development, so much so that by the end of the series there is more humanity written into these cartoon anime people than can be found in the pages of any book or scene of any movie.

>1.5 episodes of wtf why are we in his head
Thats the human instrumentality project, you are in everyones head and vice versa.

>.5 episodes of eh, fuck it we're not gonna end anything and just say accept yourself

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neither did zoloft

It's a mututally assured deconstruction.

How did you get past the captcha with that low iq?

Try watching it in the 90s on a CRT TV while you're in your mid teens.

I know what you are trying to imply but the show doesn’t just do a shallow namedropping of something, they actually explore the themes they are referencing, for example, the return to the womb, and the hedgehog dilemma are themes that are developed throughout the series.

This guy is like the nip John K.

thats because your depression is caused by being a retard

you're are intelligent enough to know you are failure

may past regrets haunt you

Nothing. The manga equivalent is unironically HxH

>Literally everything in it has been done better by other shows, many of which remain mostly forgotten while people still fawn over this piece of shit show

gimme some tips man.

I hope we can all reach the high level of deep thought and consciousness of you, anime fans. World would be a better, and less populated place.

Figured

Imagine thinking a diamond drilling a hole and then getting beaten does anything for the story at all