Googled "muad'dib" after watching dune

So many to choose from
"The willow submits to the wind and prospers until one day it is many willows - a wall against the wind."

>God created Arrakis to train the faithful.
>The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it.

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>The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future.

Re-reading it right now. The chapter with Harrah and Jessica talking about the Fremens revulsion towards Alia is depressing as fuck. Makes me think about how sad my mother is that I'm a pathetic POS and there's nothing she can do about it.

I googled “muad’dib” and it turns out he wasn’t real. Thanks for wasting my time you nigger faggot fuck.

>“What do you despise? By this are you truly known.”
>“Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.”

B8

Dune had a better ending.

Dune would be 100% more interesting if the Harkonnens won. Also, Herbert didn't understand shit about warfare and strategy and boy does it show.

you don't need military strategy when you have a god as your leader who is calculating every outcome simultaneously

>takes one vyvanse and drinks alcohol
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion
It is by the juice of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion

What is the best Dune novel and why is it Messiah

>Dune would be 100% more interesting if the Harkonnens won.
Edgy and wrong
>Herbert didn't understand shit about warfare and strategy and boy does it show.
lol who gives a shit? It's a work of literature not some masturbatory war fanfic.

I have to say I liked the original best. God emperor was also great, but the less said about anything after it the better.

>Dune would be 100% more interesting if the Harkonnens won
They did tho. Muad'dib was literally the grandson of the Harkonnen Baron.

You do when you are a writer. Artillery against people in caves? Suicide attacks when your population lives in a desert with limited resources? nobody ever figures out to use lasers against the Fremen? Not to mention logistics which makes the whole idea of an advanced Fremen society unbelievable.

>shut up, I want half of my book to be a masturbation about how cool my desert warriors are

kek

Dune would have been improved immensely if Frank Herbert learned enough about martial arts to write about hand-to-hand combat in an interesting way

> I read Dune for the action scenes

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*Better soundtrack

Where is that flying fat man? The Baron?

Nobody ever said this

What if it was called Dung and was about poop haha

>I like my series without logic

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Good thing battles and duels only make up 5% of the story and the MC can literally shout at people to cause their lungs to explode or some shit. Also it's not like there are established rules to fighting with fucking futuristic tech shields and nuke guns.

well, listen, Dune is about poop

Well, worm poop to be precise

space fertilizer

Only in Brian's shitty fanfic.

>battles are only the major plot points, no need for them to make sense

space Cocaine fertilizer

Nobody cares /k/

>battles are the only major plot points in dune
This is the mind of your average /k/ommando. Powerful stuff.

None of the battles really matter. The jihad is something that happens in the background, none of the characters even do anything in it. The first book has some gay duel at the end but besides that I think they just use the giant worms to wreck shit.

>whole plot about fighting the Harkonnens and the Emperor
>major changes in character arcs are due to the battles
Meanwhile the pseuds on Yea Forums:
>lol dude it was actually about how Keynes wanted to grow plants and muh predestination and supercool desert tribes
>gets Paul in with the Fremen
>leads to the death of Paul's son
>changes the dynamic of the whole known universe

After Dune, you might try Harry Potter

star wars copied dune as well. but star wars copied a whole bunch of stuff.

Like I said, that shit happens in the background. When you're actually reading the book 80% of the text is character monologue about muh prescience or political dialogue. The actual amount of text dedicated to describing battles is very small. How they impact the story is a different topic.

>dune is actually about the battles literally nothing else

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game of thrones copied the turnet diaries

>80% of the text is character monologue
Newsflash, most of ALL books is filler. And the whole book is about a fucking war between the Atreides, Fremen and Harkonnens.

>who cares if the major plot points don't make sense, just look at muh themes

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>And the whole book is about a fucking war
You could say that about everything. The entire bible is about a fucking war between god and satan. The entire history of humanity is a war between the jew and the goy. Fuck you.

>the battle that destroyed arakis in like the 5th or 6th book
>becomes detailed galactic and planetary battles
>fuckin superhuman evolved warriors and clones dukin it out
>dudes going super saiyan and destroying everything
>space witches and exiled space amazons fighting no holds bar

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Holy shit! You're actually retarded. The war is just the background. It's the fucking setting. It's an afterthought.

>the war is an afterthought
>that's why the climax of the book is a fight between Paul Atreides and Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen and Paul becomes an Emperor
You can scream
>OMG it wasn't about the war, look at all this philospohical mumbo jumbo Herbert put in, it's like so enlightening man
all you want. The war plays a major part in the book. And the war parts don't make sense.

and dune copied Mohammed this shows that all western culture was in fact created by Allah and Yea Forums is a muslim board

>Suicide attacks when your population lives in a desert with limited resources
?????????

it's all just muslim references
they literally call their war a jihad

based

>Muad-Dib
more like Muad-DAB
youtube.com/watch?v=Fj3hulte6a8

A Fremen suicide rams a thopter

Lady Jessica best girl

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Massive revelation, dude.

>Lady Jessica will never order you into her chambers, gaze through you, then order you to remove your clothing and lay on the bed
>Lady Jessica will never use the voice on you and tell you to hold still as she sits on your face
>Lady Jessica will never soothe you with her voice as she smothers your face until she climaxes

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>less said about anything after it the better
this is a fucking meme opinon, Teg is the best character in the entire series, and mother superior is the best bene gesserit by far, jessica done right

lasers attract worms you dumb fuck, not to mention what happens if the enemy has a shield, also any advanced tech quickly gets fucked up on arrakis, you have to keep shit simple or the sand will fuck all your shit

He's questioning you rhetorically. Try and think about any real life parallels to what you're questioning

The fear is the mind-killer one
I always try to think of this one IRL

>advanced Fremen
please read the book at least the first one, ok
>they arrived advanced and adapted to the planet, being enhanced by spice the while time
>other groups with advancements always were coming for the spice
>the bene gesserit were sending "missonaries" to them, they mostly went native and would've shared all they knew that was useful and with pre-memory that is a fuckload
>thousands of years of this
>kynes
hurr durr why do the fremen have tech

The shields attract worms you dumb fuck, lasers do jack shit. The Fremen don't have shields because they would piss off the worms. And lastly, if you've got a whole spice mining operation setup, with thopters and everything, you might as well spend some time keeping the lasers in order.

>what is resources
>what is mining resources in the fucking desert
If Fremen are so advanced, why the fuck are they still living in the desert? Have you ever seen a succesful civilization rise out of a desert?
>muh spice, it does everything
Shitty writing 101

My name is a killing word.
That moment in the book encompasses all of its themes. Muad'dib no longer being a man but now a dangerous idea which will spiral out of control despite his intentions. The danger of believing in heroes.

yes SPICE does everything

And that's why it's a retarded plot device

they trade spice with smugglers they also work for legit operations, remember the fremen who left when leto saved the miners?

no it isn't its responsible for everything the entire galaxy is focused on one thing the greatest resource in the universe and it all makes sense why

Islam rose from the desert.

Muad'dab

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that's so fucking funny

also they live in the desert because god made arrakis to train the faithful ,they've indoctrinated for millennia literal millennia by the bene combined with their own belief system based on both things they brought and the planet itself, so fremen are a weird combination of at least 3 different 'religions' and belive the planet is holy, but they've been set up as an army ready to take for the KH it just wasn't the one the bene anticipated

which parts of european history? interested in learning more

war of the roses mostly

Bullshit, Islam rose from the cities. Most importantly, it rose from Muhammad plaguarizing christianity and judaism which were not born from the desert
Which in itself is retarded. Harsh environments make good soldiers. But shit armies. Have a look at the real world, desert warriors are a joke.
Which they harvest how exactly? In amounts needed to pay the Guild AND the smugglers. Also, what about transportation? The whole thing collapses once you start to think beyond the level of
>Fremen live in desert
>worms live in the desert
>worm makes spice
>therefore Fremen have a lot of spice

>desert warriors are a joke
and they were until paul trained them, they could go 1v1 against almost anyone but they sucked at tactics until paul, also spice motherfucker spice I ain't gotta explain shit

Is it just me or is the second half of Dune not nearly as good as the first? After the time skip it feels like a different author is writing it.

read the fucking book they explain every single thing you are asking about, chapters are dedicated to them harvesting spice

>Artillery against people in caves?
It's hilarious that you think you know more about military strategy, but somehow think natural caves are equivalent to bunkers.

fremen exclusvily eat spice, they weave baskets out if it, they make bread out of it, everything EVERYTHING is either spice or soaked in spice, yes they have access to unlimited amounts of the stuff and their are millions maybe billions of them

the political manuverings are where it shines, which is why I like the last 2 so much, everyone wants philosophical musings or cool weird sci-fi action, but I just always liked Franks medici type stuff, i'll take a scene with a tleilax master and a bene gesserit over any knife fight

>they could go 1v1 against almost anyone
>a malnourished desert rat can go against somebody who has a proper diet
>spice I ain't gotta explain shit
Yes this is exactly the problem

>harvesting spice
You mean the ones about harvesting spice WITH a harvester and a carry-all? I've read the book. That's why I know it's overrated garbage.

Maybe not equivalent but certainly good enough to bring things OTHER than artillery. Like flamethrowers.

Little Mo copied Christianity and Judaism though...

That's in the original, you donut

>malnourished
no they were well nourished they ate spice, this is a fucking sci-fi in this universe their is a substance that makes peple live longer makes them smarter faster everything but you are completely addicted, in fact none of the fremen could live long off dune since they simply couldn't get enough spice and they'd withdraw and die, I notice your not complaining about the navagators or the bene gesserit, only the navegators get more saturated with spice then the fremen and they get it off the fremen. Couple that with thousands of years of collecting the exact tech that will work on dune, knowing the entire planet, riding worms having deals with everyone useful, being lead by rogue bene gesserit, then being lead by the foremost archeologist and then his son, both who lived a few hundred years, remember the Spice also extends life, imagine how old some of those fremen are, their is no way to make a 1:1 comparision to anything current, you need to look at the whole, and on the whole fremen were a fucking superarmy waiting fora leader and a purpose, kynes gave them a dream his son showed them how to implement it, and Paul finally gave them a leader and showed them how to fight a war

>archeologist
*planetologist

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Mohammed(PBUH) was given those instructions by God you fucking retard

War of the roses for the main story of ASOIAF, but for the setting it's a mix of european history/middle east from ancient rome to the 16th century (minus gunpowder). GRRM is good at mixing shit, I'll give him that.

Jesus christ how can you people remember quotes?
My memory is totally fucked.

>on caladan we ruled with sea and air power, here we need something different, we need desert power
now lets see if I got it right
>On Caladan, we ruled with sea and air power," the Duke said. "Here, we must scrabble for desert power. This is your inheritance, Paul.
ah well kinda close

>substance that makes peple live longer makes them smarter faster everything

>Arrakis. Dune. Desert Planet.
Love this shit.

ok, so might as well complain about ftl cause thats because of spice too, or well everything about this universe, if your butthurt about The Spice then best move along, nothing you say matters its central to the entire story

Yes, the spice being used as the universal explanation is why the story is juvenille and akin to Harry Potter

So do I read the novels or not? A simple 'yes' or 'no'. will suffice.

Yes

No

Maybe

ok

A simple 'yes' or 'no'.

I Don't Know

"FATHER!! THE SLEEPER HAS AWAKENED!!"

as far as I know HP doesn't explain shit logically and changes canon between books, dune remains consistent withen the world he created, thats the difference between trash and not, but you just want to try and argue this like its current year on earth, which is retarded their are rules in Dune and plenty of plot holes you could point out, but you don't even know what they are because your still stuck on the basic premise

Can You Repeat the Question?

USUL, WE HAVE WORMSIGN THE LIKES OF WHICH GOD HAS NEVER SEEN

BASED

>imperial conditioning is totally unbreakable
>unless you threaten their loved ones
ok

What I'm stuck on are the Fremen. They are by far the worst part of the book. The court intrigue, Harkonnen and Corrino plotting and Atreides counterplotting was fun. But the whole second part of the book is just wanking Fremen who are somehow the underdogs yet best at everything and I hate that shit with burning passion. And when you criticize the Fremen, saying they can't be all that good at everything, sooner or somebody is going to go THE SPICE DID IT. Which A. ends the debate B. is downright retarded. The universe is alright but Fremen are fanfic tier.

Can't outthink a mentat though...

I have gone through alot of their history its more complicated then just "The Spice Did It" they where being trained not by god but by the bene gesserit, the mission kinda got lost along the way during thousands of years but its not inconcevible in the least, the reason they are such an overwhelming force is clearly laid out, I don't understand why its so difficult to understand, they are fanatics with heaps of experiance now training and enhacned, the story of how they killed og leto II shows it, it just doens't gve you a chaper where it breaks it down going, a fremen is x2 as strong as a normal human they have 2.3% higher metabolism etc etc, its shown, its established throughout the book that Spice enhances physical as well as mental attributes, nobles might sniff a bit or have some spice tea every day, the average peasant on kaitain might get a pinch once a month but everyone discounts the fremen until paul and jess make the realization that these people are soaked in it, the average fremen gets more then Shaddam, sardukar were freaked the fuck out when 1/2 their troops got slaughtered by what they saw as old men and women

i need to reddit space or tldr that shit, I wrote it and it looks like a wall of text to me

>The shields attract worms you dumb fuck, lasers do jack shit.

i take it you never pointed a lasgun at a shield?

bump

>being that guy who shits on storytellers for not having deep knowledge of tactical warfare
Because everyone who doesn’t know at least as much as you is a moron, right?

the nose causes the tail

cringe

chapterhouse is great

Am I the only person in the world who liked the 3 hour fan cut?

no one else in the universe had ever thought to try it

the fremen like the arabs they are based on are the master race

For me, its yes. Decent sci fi books with solid rules and logic to the world. It stays grounded within its own reality. The later books basically become anime with an army of clones though

Who else hype as fuck for Villeneuves dune?

>arabs
>conquered by Mongols
>conquered by Turks
>conquered by colonial powers
>conquered by Americans
>conquered by Israelis
I wish Dune reflected this

Yeah, it explodes (which is dumb as fuck as well but whatever, it was the 60s)

It's not that I don't understand it. it's that I consider it retarded. What you have to ask is: Was spice made the way it is to enable Fremen to be stupidly OP or were the Fremen made OP because the way the spice was written? I highly doubt it was the second one.

>I'm retarded and think someone from Yeddah and someone from Marrakech ethnically the same

It doesn't matter since arabs got cucked by everyone, no matter which corner of Africa and Mid-East they come from

Goddam. A full house wasted on that shit opinion. You probably liked all of Brian's and Kevin J Anderson's rapings too.