Who here's ready for the death of Star Wars coming this December?

What does Disney have to do with AotC being shit?

"No-one's ever really gone."
Including the Emperor, further taking away from the OT AND the PT, with Vader's prophesied destruction of the Sith being retconned.

I'm not going to engage with you if you can't even be arsed to read the post and understand it

The Prequels, if anything, drew massive interest in Star Wars. OTfags will seethe, but toys were being bought like hot cakes. There was renewed interest in the franchise. There were TV shows, video games, etc. Where's that for the Sequels? Where's the Star Wars Starfighter or the Battle for Naboo for the ST?

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boycot star wars. nap two hours on a cot instead

>OTfags will seethe

How old are you? Before 1999 Kenner was selling new OT Star Wars toys almost as fast as they could make them. Do you not realize the OT special editions were released in theaters and VHS in 1997? Shadows of the Empire was released in 1996. There were a shit load of star wars games released all through out the 90's well before the Prequels ever came out.

I dont think you remember how much SW blew up it closed in on its 20th anniversary. I have the VHS tapes from 1995, because everyone knew the new editions were being made so you'd have to have two copies of the movies. The originals and the upcoming Special editions.

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Not to mention the rerelease of this fucker in 1995

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I'm ready, but I'm still a little sad about it. Not angry, or disappointed, but just sad. You know, Star Wars used to be just another popular franchise, like Star Trek, or James Bond, or Indiana Jones. In the 90's, it was cool because two generations of children enjoyed it, and the older kids who grew up with it could relate to the younger ones who were just discovering it. There was a kind of cultural comradery about it all. Furthermore, identity politics had not existed back then, so the argument of 'I don't see myself represented in this movie therefore it's awful' didn't exist. If you were a young kid, you wouldn't 'play' Chewy because he looked like you, but because he was a fun character. Same with the rest of them.

When the prequels came out, it was just after the special editions in 1996 had come out, and there was still a lot of controversy about the additions (mainly the unnecessary special effects or the Jabba scene that still looked like shit). But the movies were cultural touchstones, beloved by many, and it was something that unified a very large portion of the population that consumed toys and other merch. When TPM was released, there was praise for the very fast lightsaber duels that we'd never seen before, the extreme special effects (the podracing scene and the armies of hundreds were eye-popping for the time), but that being said there was heavy criticism for JarJar and for the kid, which was sad because it's not like the kid had much material to work with. But everything was still in the Star Wars universe, just new places we'd never been, so it still 'felt' okay.

What saddens me today is that it's becoming more and more clear that Kathleen Kennedy is not only changing the franchise for her benefit, but changing it specifically to spite the unified love of the original trilogy. cont.

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It’s not already dead? Maybe I’m just dead inside but StarWars is almost annoying to me now

cont.

Rian jonson said it best, actually: that he's happy if his movie is loved by half the audience and hated by the other half. This seems to be the whole point of the films now; to be polarising. To make a point, to do it to spite those who don't agree, and to be aggressive about it.

When JJ did the first one, they had one simple purpose: introduce new characters, and pass the torch from the old ones. Under normal circumstances, this was going to be a tough but doable job. But this was a task that was nearly impossible, because of the simple fact that each character in the original series had completed their story arcs and were left 'perfect' by the end of ROTJ. Not only did those characters have no where else to develop, but anyone who is put next to them will appear imperfect, unlikeable, and not as awesome.

So, if any of you were directors of this debacle, you'd have faced the same problem. How in the world do you pass the torch from old 'perfect' characters to new ones that the audience doesn't know and doesn't care about? Furthermore, if old characters appear in the new films, the audience would simply want to see them more. Wouldn't it have been awesome to have seen one more adventure with Leia, Luke, Han, and Chewy in the Falcon? Sure. Wouldn't it have been awesome to see Luke a fucking master, decimating anyone in his way, bringing peace and order to the galaxy? Sure. The point is, if you had a 'pass the torch' movie, then you would have to either make the new characters as awesome as the old ones (which leads to zero character development) or you'd have to destroy the old characters and make them terrible so that the new ones SEEM better by comparison. There is no choice here.

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this sack of shit died ages ago

DEAD WARS IS DEAD

cont.
So, the first problem was installed into Rey. She was a character who was meant to be the new Luke. The first hurdle is that modern screenwriting is incapable of producing female protags with flaws they have to overcome. This isn't a fault of people who can't write, it's because of the inherent nature of women in terms of how they are valued by society. They're valued for their looks (the outward appearance of fitness to bear children), and they're NOT valued for the 'hard work' they do or the accomplishments in work that they achieve. In other words, what they are valued for is not something they work to achieve, it's something they're born with. Since you can't 'fix' attractiveness by working harder (aside from surgery, which isn't actually fixed by the person by by someone they pay), then you can't have a situation where the character is shown to fail, learn from their error, and then succeed. There's no lesson to be learned by being ugly. Thus, we have our first problem; since they made Rey a girl, they couldn't make her fail, because to do so would be to go against what girls dream or fantasize about; that a high status man will choose them 'just for who they are' (see Shades of Gray, and the character breakdown of the main woman).

This is why all of her 'talents' are innate: she can use the force without knowing why, everyone loves he even though she doesn't know why, she can fix and fly the Millenial Falcon even though she doesn't know why, etc. If you imagine the opposite situation, then you'd understand why it would fail if Rey was written properly: imagine if she damaged the Falcon and Han had to fix it or give her a lecture about how to fly...that would just be depressing because it would be too close to the real-life problem of women drivers. cont.

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Boring load of wank

I think it's another GoT thread desu

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If she could use the force but not control it, with Luke helping her to control it, then it would be too close to the modern day problem of women who don't understand the responsibility or have respect for serious power. Imagine if no one liked Rey until she proved herself...then it would be too similar to the modern-day problem of women bitching at each other just because that's what they do with other women. Even the casting had to be careful; Rey couldn't be cast as a model, because women hate women who are more beautiful than themselves. Again, see Shades of Gray. If they'd cast (just for argument sake) prime Phoebe Cates as Rey, the 'wrong' message would be sent out to the audience: that Rey is only liked by the characters because she's hot. So, you have to cast a plank of wood that isn't ugly but isn't beautiful either, someone that women can self-insert themselves into so the fantasy is maintained. Because that's how they enjoy film; they don't see movies the way men do; men want to see people doing shit, and women want to BE the people getting shit done to.

There are many examples of what is wrong with Rey, but it is important to mention the problems of the older cast too. In order to make the new characters look better, you have to make the old characters look worse, so we got Han who was a failure and obviously absent father, we got Luke who was a coward, and the only one who was 'better' was Leia, because she can use the force. While it's obvious that Leia was spared because 'women-power', there's more to it than that.

Rey should have been guided by Luke in the use of the force the way that Obiwan did it for him, assuming JJ was going to follow the old formula. But this didn't happen, because for whatever reason they decided not to have Luke in the first film. So, the only other person to guide her was Han. cont.

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Looks like we've entered the marketing push for IX which means that there will now be at least 20 Star Wars "controversies" in the catalog at all times.

But since Rey could fix and fly HIS ship, he couldn't help her. She was already perfect. Leia didn't have a function in the first film except to act as the only old character who could impart 'wisdom', and it's appropriate given the female-centric nature of this film. Of course the knowledge shouldn't come from a man. But again, there was nothing Leia could tell Rey that Rey didn't already know or be able to accomplish, so Leia's role became one of 'validating' Rey, communicating to the audience that she was truly the successor of Luke.

That's why Han's death felt so empty; this story wasn't about him, and when we met him, he was a failed old man, so it didn't matter if he lived or died. They destroyed his character, and then they killed him. Fantastic work.

In the second film, Luke should have been wise, powerful, and essentially unbeatable. Instead, they did the same thing to him. They killed his character, and then they killed his person. He was a failure who didn't learn from the mistakes of his predecessors, he was a coward who ran away from responsibility (which he had learned NOT to do after the 2nd film), and he got beat up by a novice. You know why his death felt so awful, aside from the fact that his character was destroyed like Han's? Because in the situation of him facing Kylo, Luke shouldn't have been a vision but he should have been real. He should have beat the fuck out of Kylo, offered to bring him back to the light, and let him live to learn. Instead, what do we get? Well, you saw the film.

Everything that transpired in the writing room was built on the purpose of 1) destroying the old characters to make the new ones look good and 2) prop up the main character who could not have an arc because it's against the fantasy that women need. Every single choice supports this, just by extension depending on the intensity of the politics.

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cont.

If you think of Holdo, she's a perfect example of a character that has been affected heavily by politics. She represents the 'heroic' modern female, a person who has a storied history of great military and strategic accomplishments, who is to be trusted no matter what, and who can be snarky because that's what 'powerful' people act like. In other words, act like MEN who are in power.

Throwing the 'look' of the character out the window (the pink hair wasn't an accident), what you have is the ultimate Merissa Meyer / Kathleen Kennedy / Elizabeth Holmes self-insert. The modern 'successful' woman, that modern feminists have been shaming average women into trying to be. They think that power is about having the freedom to be abusive to others without consequence, because that's what has happened to them or because that's what they perceive is happening from Men in power to women under them. A direct role reversal. What they don't realize is that when women are put into this role with the same behavioral patterns, they are perceived as being bitchy, confrontational, irrational, illogical, and stupid.

Hence the problem with Holdo; trust me Poe, trust me Poe, I have a plan, trust me Poe....and then it turns out her plan didn't exist. This is what modern women in power keep on saying to the masses...trust them. They have no fucking plan, they just wing it like everyone else. But the problem is HOW they wing it; they do so by instigating confrontation, forcing people to acknowledge trust in them without earning that trust. Because once again, women don't 'earn' anything in order to increase their status. Either they're pretty, or they're not, and you can't earn that.

Holdo, unfortunately, fails for the same reason Rey fails; she can't be seen as a failure, or as having made any mistakes. No, it's Poe who is seen to be the bad guy in the whole issue; he shouldn't question her orders or take extreme action to save everyone...

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cont.
He should sit tight, follow orders, and trust that Holdo will save them all. Women love that feeling of others trusting them; they love being 'in charge' and delegating because that's easy as hell and is a form of social power.

So, Holdo fails. The rest of the characters are failures for various reasons, but it's unnecessary to catalogue them here. In short: Phasma is one-dimensional tranny, Chewy isn't the same, Black guy is a diversity hire, and Kylo is back to where he started in the first film.

Star Wars has already failed; the death of Star Wars happened years ago when the Force Awakens came out. The last film here isn't going to be the death of it...consider it a remake of what the 2nd film should have been. What makes me sad about it all is that they did all of this on purpose. It was calculated, not an error, and it was done specifically to spite the old characters because if you didn't destroy the old characters, the new ones wouldn't be worth watching.

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Wow....that's how you know this franchise is dead. People can't even be bothered to refute me.

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The incel manifesto

You say that as if being an incel is a bad thing. Perhaps only for the women who will miss out on getting me...

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It's going to be the rebirth of it, at least commercially, even though the movie will likely be average. Disney is going to throw such a massive marketing campaign that it's going to make TPM look like a joke. Mark my words, they have everything to lose and will not hesitate to go all out.

Wouldn't be surprised if Rey died at the end making a sacrifice, and soon after that Kathleen will retire, to echo what happened in the movie and come off as a heroine.

It's already dead

There is another Star Wars movie coming out? I hadn't noticed. It's not even been on my radar since Last Jedi. And I haven't seen much hype or interest anywhere to remind me it exists.

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