His helmet was stifling. It narrowed his vision and he must see far

>outnumbered 1000 to 1
>refuse help

it was retarded. he could have at least helped with the camp and menial tasks. an army isn't all soldiers; it needs a porters, camp attendants, cooks, gathers, and other help

It's actually vaguely true to history, the Spartans were masters of bait. They would open the front of the phalanx and get a few picks to drawn in the enemy, then run back to the phalanx, reform and cut down the idiots who ran onto the shieldwall.

They open and reform several times in the film.

The people that became the Spartans were the first/only ones to truly go all in on the concept that the phalanx was made stronger by the men being absolutely confident in the courage and skills of the man shielding them, and that they were shielding. They literally changed their whole society to educate and train all men in this concept of strict, fair, brotherhood so that their army would be the best. The penalties for breaking the Spartan way were basically being forced to GTFO, and if you could not mentally or physically fit into this ideal - including being able to fight in the phalance - you were not wanted and in fact scorned.
Leonidas was being ridiculously nice to that crippled freak in all honesty, Spartans killed malformed children by throwing them off a cliff.

B. she hit me

I never considered that, that would make a lot of sense. We know from the opening that Spartans hated and killed all misformed people
To be fair, the dude had hyped himself up all his life to be a worthy successor to his father's armor and arms, I don't think he would have been happy doing camp attendant tasks either

Shut the fuck up

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Interesting military history

One thing I always wonder about the phalanx though was

Isnt there just an insane demand and pressure on the people in front? And do the people behind the very first line even do anything?

kek spot the ugly manlet

That's what Leonidas suggests, but it's not good enough.

>t.crippled retard freak

Not that user, but it wasn't a defensive formation. The phalanx was a moving wall of "little teeth", as a Roman called it, and they steadily gained ground over their enemies. As you can see in the pic here the men in the back rows also had their spears braced. It wasn't a constant shoving match, typically their enemies had to dance to get through the spears, and there would be pauses and skirmishes which let people swap places or catch their breath.

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>when the Snyder kino hits

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OH NO NO NO

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Nevertheless, he persisted.

>Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

The thing with phalanxes is that they had giant fucking spears so either you'd go up against another phalanx which means anyone in the first 5 rows could get stabbed or you'd go up against light infantry or cavalry who can't even reach you

Did you forget the part about them killing weak babies

>t. malformed mongrel

zack sneeder is too kino for u

Depends on when in history, the early phalanx, kind of yes, they were used as battering rams and literally shoved through the enemy lines. The advent of longer weapons and lighter shields changed that and in fact the phalanx of later commmanders like Alexander were known for how quick they could redeploy compared to opponents still using the old heavy phalanx.

The fighting in the phalanx is done by spear work mostly so several rows can stab over the shoulders, the first row are really bracing everyone together, the second row better be stabbing.

Typically the phalanx rolls up locked and fights locked, but the Spartans were famous for being able to open the front rank and send some guys out to get kills with javelins or even swords, then run back to the phalanx, these guys would not usually be front-rankers.
A phalanx can open as quickly as everyone can turn to one side, rear ranks can move forward and take over if the front ranks are tired or ded.

I did a course on ancient Sparta with prof. Donald Kagan and he said the movie was actually very realistic in its depiction of the spartiate class. Not so in ignoring the helot factor.

Remember that time Napoleon innovated the entire field of infantry warfare by having his guys march in a column and charge enemy lines?

Which is the manlier movie, this or pic related?

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Interesting, I feel like often in movies phalanxes are portrayed as moving blobs rammning through things as apposed to the tactical swapping positions, baiting, and over the shoulder spear stuff you guys mentioned. This stuff is pretty interesting so it would be nice to see more movies portray ancient combat in a more tactical and methodical way

Yeah and then remember when the bongs figured out that if you spread your dudes out into a shoulder to shoulder line of just two ranks deep the amount of gunfire would slaughter a napoleonic column where it was marching?

Would feel like shit being the first 30 guys tho lol

You're just like "okay guess i have to die for this fucking manlet right now"

This movie gave me my femdom fetish

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This is a cute little video that shows how a phalanx could be defeated youtu.be/Icdm7-df64k

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This is loads manlier wym

Both of you are literal meme history retards

Volley fire with Napoleonic era muskets wasn't nearly as accurate as you are imagining
IIRC it was something like 1 casualty for every 300 rounds fired or something ridiculous like that
Looks cool

>If you want to help, gather water and tend to the wounded
>goblin spergs out

Even 1:500 or less in some battles

i know the roman formations were designed to shuffle the front row after a minute or two so the next (fresh) row of men is in front and so on and so on. did the phalanx have a similar system? would suck to be in the front row and have to fight until you win or die

it takes tens of thousands of rounds fired to kill 1 person now

I loved Master and Commander but the premise was stupid. A single French ship in the Pacific isn't going to do that much damage to British shipping and definitely not enough to suddenly make Napoleon win the war

Interesting sidenote on that: People generally think the American Civil War was so deadly because of improved firearms technology paired with old tactics, but actually the amount of shots per casualty stayed pretty steady until the invention of smokeless gunpowder. People simply could not make use of their improved accuracy after the skirmishers ahead filled the entire battlefield with smoke
That's because of suppression fire and because of American warfare doctrines though, surely

>as fast or faster than British ships
>more guns than British ships of the same speed
>thicker hull than any British ship of the same speed
Also, watch this youtube.com/watch?v=_Iwea41ua0Y

you're so pathetic, i love you user never change

In Vetnam or modern times yes but we are talking about line battle at 100 meters max.
In a prolonged fight batalion of 500 men would fire 1000 rounds per minute on avarge. That could give you 2 hits per minute and taking shirnking numbers on both sides many 100 kills out of 500 per hour.

Sneed

Yeah with all that smoke you can't rally see what you are shooting at anyway. Artillery improved pretty drasticly with bursting shells and shrapnel too. But was it really that deadly compared to some Napoleonic battles like Borodino? I don't think so.

muskets had an effective range of about 300 meters they were not standing that close to eachother

I watched Gettysburg and I was amazed at how low energy the combat seemed
I'm used to sword & spear battles where thousands of dudes charge across a field and the ground shakes
Pickett's charge or the charges against Little Round Top were like some unmotivated dudes walking across a field

Brainwashed scum sailors fighting to fill Rotschilds pockets lol
Yes Goiym fight for honor lol

Jesus i didnt know it was that rediculous

Are there records of early musket forces getting btfo by a battallions of archers?

Engagements were usually at 50 yards or so.
"Effective range" means "technically if you hit someone at this range he will still be hurt", that doesn't mean you can actually fucking hit him

>t.

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This is some autistic shooting range data that has 0 in common with battlefield conditions.

fpsp

50 yards was pretty close, that was a range where you expected to break enemy within 15 minutes if fire max.
On avarge it was about 80-100 yards.

I fucking hated the green screen shit in this movie, haven't seen the whole thing
Is it worth watching all the way? I'm bored as fuck right now

There is no proof of Spartans, or any Greeks, chucking babies off of cliffs. What they did do is leave a very minor amount of babies exposed to the elements, which is much different than cliff-chucking. t. Historian

battles did happen that close but it was rare

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He's TALKING ABOUT THE SPARTANS IN THE MOVIE DUDE

Macedonian chads>Athenians>>spartcucks

What if you waited until you could see the whites of their eyes?

you would be torn apart by a volly

???

did he mean to miss? i mean Xerxes wasn't even moving

AND YOU, EPHIALTES, MAY YOU LIVE FOREVER