Is it me or does Quentin Tarantino despise 2011’s Drive with a passion? In his top 2011 the movie was nowhere to be seen even though shit like X-Men: First Class made the list. Instead, Tarantino gave it a petty “Nice Try Award” despite there being almost a consensus that it was one best best movies from 2011. And it wouldn’t be an exaggeration to considered it a cultural milestone since it pretty much popularized the so-called neon-lit aesthetics you can see everywhere now, even video games. But I think it goes deeper. I think Tarantino hates it not because he thinks it’s bad but quite the contrary because it was so good it out-Tarantino’d Tarantino. The guy with a massive ego who thinks Orson Welles and Stanley Kubrick are his “rival siblings” felt surpassed for the first time in his career. Someone was playing in his league. Winding Refn just happens to be a classier version of Tarantino.
I remember an interview where Tarantino was asked about his influences and he mentioned a review by Pauline Kael for a Jean-Luc Godard film that went sort of like “It’s as if they’ve taken a banal American crime novel and made a movie based not on the novel but on the poetry that they read between the lines.” And I can’t see this principle shining any brighter in a modern movie than in Drive. Based on an American crime novel so banal that it doesn’t have its own Wikipedia entry. It elevated that pulp fiction novel into pure cinematic art like no other movie has done in recent years.
Make no mistake, Quentin Tarantino hates Drive because of how good it is. He felt endangered. He wishes he made it himself.
Refn will never be accepted as a mainstream Hollywood director, and that's perfectly fine for someone in his position. Drive was just to show all of the Hollywood hacks how much better he is than all of them.
Tarantino doesn't have a good taste in films. His films also aren't very good and Drive is not some kind of masterpiece. Drive doesn't have enough masturbatory dialogue to be made by Tarantino.
Daniel Gonzalez
Ew.. Never noticed all those swastikas before... I’m thinking that’s a yikes...
Ayden Fisher
>has deluded himself he's friends with Lynch, regularly brings up "David" in conversation although people have no idea what he's talking about
BASED
Elijah Turner
tarantino unironically thinks the psycho remake is better than the original and the only good thing about the remake is the poster
I guess that’s fair, plus the awkward character interactions. The Tarantino comparison feels more apt though, considering how heavily Drive draws from older neo-noir like Le Samouraï. They both cherry pick their favorite bits of obscure cinema and remix it into something fresh, while adding their own personal style. Refn’s personal style just happens to be more appealing than Tarantino’s imo.
Hudson Torres
yikes. shit taste, indeed.
Joseph Taylor
I think he was jealous. Tarantino has weird taste. You can tell from the start he was influenced by Jarmusch, Lynch, Coens, and Alex Cox, but never mentioned them. In fact, he dissed on Lynch a few times. He seems to pretend the Coens don't exist. Mystery Train has a very similar structure to Pulp Fiction.
Easton Hughes
How? They’re totally different movies
Noah Cox
Taranbino knows deep inside that he is not a true auteur like them. He avoids mentioning them out of shame.
Jordan Cox
Reminder that OGF and Neon Demon are better and the true pleb filters.
Mason Edwards
slow with occasional surrealism and strange characters
violence isn't glorified and pulpy like in tarantino's movies but instead hyperrealistic and gritty
It's surprising that he doesn't like it, but you have to remember that Tarantino has weird, idiosyncratic taste. He prefers the Breathless remake with Richard Gere to the one by Godard. He hates Hitchcock, despite being a huge Brian De Palma fan, and prefers both the Psycho sequels and the shot-by-shot Gus Van Sant remake to the original. It's possible that Drive just didn't click with him for some reason. Or maybe he finds it too derivative of The Driver and Michael Mann and John Carpenter. Who knows?
Jordan Myers
He ripped off Lynch's Wild at Heart for Natural Born Killers and to a lesser degree True Romance.
Michael Barnes
Tarantino is a hack savant and Refn is a real autist.
Luke Stewart
Fuckin this, nobody ever mentions that.
Robert Adams
>since it pretty much popularized the so-called neon-lit aesthetics you can see everywhere now No it didn't.
Cameron Fisher
OGF is better, Neon Demon is worse.
Ayden Rogers
I don't see it. They're all Bonnie Clyde stories, but Lynch didn't invent Bonnie & Clyde. If Tarantino was inspired by any film in this sub-genre, I would think it would be Arthur Penn's Bonnie and Clyde or maybe Badlands. Or maybe something like Gun Crazy.
Luke Price
Both are dishonest filmmakers
Christopher Lewis
I remember that he said he hates Lynch after watching Fire Walk With Me
David Morales
Tarantino and Refn are hacks.
Thomas Hughes
Not in concept but in aesthetics. A kitschy white trash American criminal couple living in an Americana-fueled fucked-up fantasy. Mallory Knox in NBK even looks way too similar to Laura Dern's character in Wild at Heart, same vibe same clothes in one scene, like it's not even funny.
Camden Garcia
>I remember that he said he hates Lynch after watching Fire Walk With Me what a faggot, FWWM is Lynch's best work
Colton Morris
it kinda did. look at the neon-lit movies before and after it. the difference is day and night.
Jackson Rivera
Refn is incel incarnate and only intellectualy bankrupt people praise his shitty movies. If you only watch movies to make yourself seem like an interesting person at work / social functions by parroting reddit/Yea Forums/Twitter opinions you are a bona-fide retard and should be excluded from all and any discussion about film.
Camden Torres
......they both wear jackets?
Ryder Jackson
I watch his movies because I unironically enjoy them. I don't seriously talk about movies with anyone IRL.
Charles Ramirez
I'm joking but drive stole the whole match/toothpick in the mouth from cobra
Jaxson Sullivan
Resovoir dogs is better than Too old to die young and Inland empire. That's about all I'll give Tino.
Carson Sullivan
Drive is a perfect film from start to finish.
Jace Brown
thats literally present in every western ever
Tyler Carter
waiting for the first to be baited
Sebastian Sullivan
I was coming on too strong, sorry. But I detest so many of my friends who pretend to absolute film nerds, spew only msm sanctioned and very popular opinions about current movies and get super angry when you challenge them or ask to elaborate. It's the literal npc meme. I enjoy some refn Kino as well but I feel some of his themes, like his deep seated fear of women are overdone to an extreme
Leo Parker
>It’s as if they’ve taken a banal American crime novel and made a movie based not on the novel but on the poetry that they read between the lines kinos for this feel?
Adrian Howard
The final script wasn't Tarantino's (there are 3 writers listed and he's not one of them), so I'm sure a lot of things were changed and it was directed by Oliver Stone, so the aesthetics were his.
Alexander Long
I'd never want to compare him to tarantino but I'll have to admit the last episode of TOTDY felt straight up Tarantino.
Ryder Robinson
>Mallory Knox in NBK even looks way too similar to Laura Dern's character in Wild at Heart, same vibe same clothes in one scene Now you are stretching, considering Tarantino didn't even direct that movie
Anthony Sanchez
>the last episode of TOTDY felt straight up Tarantino. written by a woman
Gavin Rodriguez
everyone in this thread should watch thief (1981). It's almost the exact same story as Drive but with better characters (I like autistic Ryan Gosling, but he's more of a meme than a character)
He's nothing like QT though. QT takes heavy inspirations from Leone and Kurosawa and it shows in his characters, QT makes character and dialogue driven movies where everything around them is like over the top silliness or violence. Refn leans more toward extremes and surrealism while being mainstream friendly like Lynch.
Xavier Roberts
The Pusher trilogy was his best work. Just harsh realism based on the criminal underworld. His later work feels a bit too forced artistically, like he is smashing your over the head with his style. Pusher (especially Pusher 2) had it, but it felt natural. Maybe it's just because I grew up with them before he moved to Hollywood
Nathan Murphy
Just watched the trailer for this. Looks amazing. Why didn't Cobra match the popularity of Rambo or Rocky as stallonekino?
Jeremiah Gray
I just saw some terrible bait. Maybe the worst ever
Noah Jenkins
Refn has always been more of a fetish director even when you take Tarantino's love of feet into account
Tarantino makes stuff for edgy teens who think they are artsy if they like tarantino and his 'different but same' method filmmaking. I have seen only neon demon and drive from Refn but I liked both more than any tarantino movie but resevoir dogs.
