Antagonist is evil because... he's evil

op.... makes same thread.. because hes gay

He's not, though. He's the ultimate fallen idealist who desires to shape and control the world because of his hybris, completely forgetting what it was that he wanted to control everything for, caught up in the eternal struggle for power.

He's what lurks for everyone aiming for greatness.

What did Melkor's contribution to Eru's song sound like?

why he didn't make an indestructible armor instead of a ring? this book makes no sense

>the greatest warrior in Middle Earth
Source?

ring can hold more enchantment than armor
>I know this because that;s how it works in Morrowind

youtube.com/watch?v=HaJUWRziDQc

The world is so fucked up, outright evil would be a welcome addition

I mean the ring also had power to enlarge itself. Can't he just wear it around its chest? At least then it would be harder to severe

>antagonist is evil because he desires Galadriels feet.

Melkor was the OG sneed poster

The Silmarillion, filmfag.

It was like a long diarrhoea fart.

>I was there when the strength of men failed
>literally did nothing
FUCK ELROND, FUCK RIVENDELL AND FUCK ELVES

youtube.com/watch?v=gAs9HZC9c7Y

This says alot about our society

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>ring that enlarges itself
I shall make no salacious comment there

What was his tax policy?

Because of the connection between power/greatness and art/beauty that's a motif throughout Tolkien's work. Things of beauty are both the ultimate result and ultimate source of power from the Silmarils all the way to the Ring.

Creating true beauty is the ultimate proof of superiority, and this proof in turn is the source of ultimate power.

Who gives a shit, the elves would have solo’d Sauron if he whipped the humies.

Mythology isn’t supposed to make sense

Is it, though? I don't remember him being described a particularly outstanding fighter. One of the great heroes, sure, but not special among them.

>intentionally create a weakness for yourself
>put it on your finger so it that can be easily severed
>flail your arms around like a faggot around your enemies
bravo tolkien

But the whole point of Elven existence is that intervention as likely as not will result in even worse consequences. The First Age was proof enough to them that, ultimately, whatever they do or don't do will only succeed if the Gods will it.

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is this a prequel meme?

More like bravo Jackson.
In the books, he's just outright defeated by the Last Alliance and the Ring is only taken from him after he's beaten.

youtube.com/watch?v=YdXQJS3Yv0Y
One whip for every slave.

I love LotR movies but when you look at them closer you can find these little things that they got wrong.

>little things
more like plot devices and half the plot not making sense

How does half of the plot not make sense?

>hit the pipe a bit too much
>put character to an inescapable situation
>"Eagles it is!"
what a hack

you can pretty much question every decision that was taken in the book

Like what?

>Be Faenor
>Mom dies
>Father remarries
>Hates stepmom and her children
>Be so autistic that you can create jewels that capture the Light of the Trees
>Doesn't share jewelcrafting secrets
>Thinks stepbrother is trying to usurp your right to the throne
>Tells him to fuck off publicly with weapon drawn
>Wife leaves you
>Gets exiled with dad
>Eventually gets called back for a party with the Valar
>Stepbrother tries to be nice to you
>Be uncaring and autistic
>Melkor destroys the Trees and Light is kill
>Jewels get stolen by Melkor while partying away
>Dad gets killed
>REE so much that you singlehandedly change your enemy's name
>Valar tells you to claim the jewels back to restore the Light
>Imnotdoingitforyou.jpeg
>Accuse Valar of being shills in public with weapons drawn AGAIN
>Swear oath with seven sons to never rest until you get muh Silmarils back
>Stepbro reluctantly travels with you on your quest because no matter what, you're still his bro
>Travels to meet Telerifags and demand ships for your cause
>no.jpeg
>Slaughters them all and steals ship anyway
>Tells stepbro that they started it
>okibelieveyou.jpeg
>No space for stepbro to tag along
>"You wait here, I'll send the ships back"
>Abandons stepbro and his army upon reaching the other continent and burns ships
>Stepbro nevertheless walks over with his army through the dreadful northern snow passage
>holocaust.jpeg
>Meanwhile you lead the charge against Melkor
>Fight with Morgoth's (formerly Melkor) army and btfo Orcs
>Be so filled with rage that you chase the retreating Orcs into their territory
>Gets sniped by Balrogs
>Looks upon Morgoth's fortress while dying
>SHIEEET.jpeg
>Body turns to ash from sheer anger alone
Is he the most based retard in the entire of Middle Earth's history?

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How was it inescapable anyway? Wasn’t gandalf a wizard?

why didnt they just casted ring in an iron block or attached more rings to it to make wearing it impossible?

I have met people who are evil. They never bothered to give me their backstory as to why they were.

he didnt learn teleportation until he leveled up after killing balrog and job change to white wizard

no Blacksmith could work with the Ring without wanting to keep it.

Most autistic but also based.

This, not to mention that you could still melt that iron off. It's like when they debate about casting it into the ocean, somebody would eventually find it and Sauron would still not be destroyed. That be said, I never liked explanation as to why they didn't send ring West.

pouting melted iron over it or sliding it to a hot soft metal rod and bending the rod/sealing it would take like a min or two

*hits pipe*

yea but it still would prevent "accidentally" wearing it or being corrupted in your weak moments and wear it

>all villains need a justification for their evilness

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It would not really solve anything, Sauron would just get it out one way or another. Assuming he even needs to get it out.

>Elrond had been to Mount Doom before with the Ring.
>knew exactly where he was going and what he was up against.
>He didnt even go with the Fellowship.
BRAVO TOLKIEN

>Greatest warrior
Lmao, he was only successful because Gil Galad and Elendil had previously kicked the shit out of him.

According to OP's retard logic, pic related is a bad character

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are you talking about feanor?

>dude just turn off your brain

He is

it would totally solve the problem of frodo wearing/getting tempted to wear it in critical times. there is zero reason to not put it in a sealed container or put stuff on it to make wearing impossible

why didnt they the eagles

>have skill to make rings that are magic as fuck
>not walk around like pimps with 20 rings on your fingers
Was he dumb?

>has armor everywhere except his hand
bravo

Nazgul, and I would assume archers, ballistas. If you want a perhaps bigger plot hole you better ask why Sauron didn't leave guards near Mount Doom. I mean, some say it's hubris and he never believed that somebody would resist temptation and decide to destroy the ring but that's kind of meh for me. Even if it's kind of true and that Frodo also succumbed at the end and they needed Eru's finger to push Gollum in.

>Gil Galad and Elendil were great warriors
>didnt even make the movie
sure buddy

Sauron rightfully assumed nobody would or could voluntarily ever destroy the ring, so why would he guard some lava

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Because unforeseen consequences aka what actually happened. I'm sure his tax policy was good enough to hire some orc shits to guard.

Based and Noldorpilled. Fuck Valar and fuck Teleri fucking shits.

oh nononono

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>is a cheeky twat just because

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I'm going to say it...

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We live in middle earth.

Based Jacksonfag.

>kino nazgul horror chase in the Shire and then into the woods pass the Buckland
>this singing fuck has to interrupt this

The Devil is a shitty character too.

He made like a shit ton of other rings that also had great power. He couldn't afford a few more for him self?

porchmonkey?

Who is "we?"

The Old Forest and the Fog on Barrow Downs are pure kino chpaters, you should off yourself.

>the greatest warrior in Middle Earth
top kek

I played through Shadow of War recently, which explains Sauron's motives much better than the movies did. It delves into his past when he was an elf-like being (and also boning Shelob when she was also an elf-like being and not a spider - long story.) He began to see life as being imperfect and flawed, and wanted to destroy it all and start again. Raising an army to destroy Middle-Earth was just phase one of his plan. Eventually he would have killed all of his Orcs, or have them kill each other through some manufactured civil war, and it would have just been him and a huge pile of ash to start again from.

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NOLDOR

It's one ring to rule them all. You can't even imagine what would be required to forge a new poem.

Old Forest was kino, but before singing bum. Barrow Downs are ok, but I like Bree part more.

why didnt he send some orcs to guard rock #13576

that is even worse than "lul he was evil"

No, the rock#1 that was tied to his faith.

>have a watcher network that can cover between cities
>don't put a watcher next to Mordor, where evil things are
why tho

"Fan"fiction.

the lava in the mountain was just as irrelevant as any random rock

His glove is obviously modern fabric.

Not canon.

it is magic fabric

>a way to destroy the ring and finish off Sauron
>irrelevant

Do zoomers even read books? At least read the wiki for fucks sake. Once Christopher Tolkien dies it's going to be an utter shitfest.

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he never had teleportation in his Istari form

the ring got destroyed because god wanted it. Why didn't sauron build a roof across mordor in the chance Eru decided to let heaven crash on the earth?

how did he magic himself out of that bottomless pit to an unrelated forest then? that was clearly tp

youtube.com/watch?v=AguPH0XBxdw

It’s Saroman, not Sauronman

The Lord of the Rings is the most overrated literature franchise and film franchise in existence.
It gets credit for inventing the fantasy genre despite the fact that literally everything in the book is heavily derivative from folk tales or religion.
And the films are just clusterfucks where people gloss over the faults because "dude the scale!". Anyone who unironically holds them in high esteem is a certified pleb.

ahahahahahhhaahah

Power is the most corrupting drug there is. I know from experience. Tom Bombadil didn't give a shit about power though

>the ring got destroyed because god wanted it.
Yeah, but that's the weak part of the books. All I'm saying is that they made Sauron too shortsighted.

Braps. It's ma´am! Pop music. I'm 5 foot!

but sauron was right, nobody could ever destroy the ring not even in Mt. Doom

>how did he magic himself out of that bottomless pit
He climbed stairs that dorfs made long ago and for the most part forgot. He fallowed after Balrog.

>when he was an elf-like being (and also boning Shelob when she was also an elf-like being
please off yourself and never post on internet again

So what. Ring still got destroyed. Never hurts to be extra careful.

If he had killed Isildur then there would be a war between the elves and men and would likely destroy the balance of power in Middle Earth and let other dark forces take power.

He died and was resurrected

but both entrance and exit was collapsed. how many entrance there are to secret dwarf mountain?

>of that bottomless pit
of what fucking pit? he got ressurected/upgraded on a fucking mountain you nigger

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That was after he slain Balrog at the top of the mountain. After that he was picked up by an eagle.

if he is able to resurrect & grow stronger after death why he is not going hero all the time?

like the tower he was prisoned. why didn't he just jumped off?

yeah so why didnt he defend that random rock what if Eru yeeted it on frodo's ugly face and then made the ring dissapear from existence? just admit your argument is trash and sauron wasn't to blame for the admin rigging his game

Of course it is an eagle

It's not the point that he didn't prepare against Eru, my point is that he should just have been flat out extra careful.

It's not his power to return and get stronger after every death. It was literally a divine intervention. God randomly decided to ress him and up his status as the new white wizard since Saruman betrayed.

LOTR is some of the cringiest shit I've ever watched

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Lord of the Rings Cinematic Universe when?

To add, a qoute from Gandalf - “For even the very wise cannot see all ends.”
Even if you think that plan is foolproof, be extra careful because there might be unknown variables.

First Age
>Acted as a spy for Morgoth in Valinor
>Allied and joined his forces in Middle-Earth
>Commanded the forces of Angband
>Conquered Tol Sirion in the war against the elves
>Captured Finrod
>When defeated, refused to face judgment in the west and fled further in Middle-Earth

Second Age
>Took control of the land of Mordor
>Corrupted wild men by promising them power and wealth through conquest
>Seeking to corrupt elves as well, he became Annatar, "Lord of Gifts", and befriended great elven smiths
>Taught them to create the rings of power
>Forged the one ring in secret to control the others
>When he put the one ring on, the elves knew of his plan and hid their rings of power
>He got pissed and waged open war on them and demanded to have the rings back
>Corrupted the human ringbearers who became nazguls
>Wanted to rule over everything, so much so that numénoreans had to intervene
>They captured him and brought him to numenor
>Eventually he corrupted them too by taking a fair form and flattering the king, seeding the ideas in numenor that they too should have immortality (like elves)
>Converted many Numenorean to the worship of Morgoth, lying to them and telling them Morgoth could free them from their mortality
>Convinced them to attack Valinor
>Eru intervened, destroying Numenor
>Went back to Middle-Earth to wreck shit again
>Was defeated by the Last Alliance of Men and Elves
>Lost the ring

Third Age
>Corrupted Greenwood by settling in Dol Guldur
>Made war efforts to rule over everything again, and retrieve the ring
>Was destroyed at the end of the Third age

tl;dr, he's a big control freak who wanted everything to go his own way and managed to piss almost everyone in doing so

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Why is she disintegrating? Is Thanos canon in that universe?

that sounds like the priest spell resurrection to me. he should be able to resurrect himself as long as he has diamonds

>Eru intervened, destroying Numenor
Eru is a fucking asshole
how come he intervenes when mortals want to attack the ainur, but when morgoth and sauron go fuck up middle earth he doesn't move a figner?

It's Tolkien's faith showing, I suppose. I dislike these Deus Ex parts.

You seem nice.

>*Deus Ex machina
that is

So we all agree that Shadows of Mordor/War are the best thing to come out of this franchise right?

Because the Valar are pussies who shit themselves and cried for daddy when Ar-Chadazon threatened to push their shit in.

>And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.

No.

>It’s Saroman, not Sauronman
It's Sherman, did you even watch the movies?

Kill yourself.

Story wise they are fucking AIDS. Gameplay wise the first is literally an Assassins Creed clone with stole assets and the second one has kinda fun mechanic.

>Create Earth
>It's flat
Bravo Tolkien

muh god works in mysterious ways
fuck off

Storywise, they are masterpieces, much better than the films

There are no good things if there are no bad things to contrast them to.

>everything in the book is heavily derivative from folk tales or religion.

everything is derivative of something dumbass. better to borrow from the heavy hitters. even religions themselves are derivative. this is unironically not an argument

NAZGUL

NOGROD

>Mfw awaken on the shores of Cuivienen as the Firstborn
>See pretty Elf qt
>Ask her if she wants to be my gf
>"Have sex, incel"
Literally how do I even win

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Isildur would get memed on by Galadriel

IIIIINSPECTIOOOOOOOOOON

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you mean bravo peter hackson
Isildur isn't the greatest warrior of Middle-Earth even in his time
actual greatest warriors of Middle-Eearth 2v1 suicide themselves into Sauron and he just cuts the ring off his unconscious body

penis inspection?

NINIEL

What exactly do they inspect for? Typically a military inspection is to see compliance with grooming and uniform standards. Mordor didn't seem to enforce either. Some orcs were bald, some had long frizzy hair, some had beards. And their gear never appeared to be standardized, some used fucking pitchforks. All of their armor and weapons were untidy.

NARGOTHROND

>OP is gay because... he sucks dicks

Retard

Friendly reminder that noldor did LITERALLY NOTHING WRONG.
Following your vows and promises no matter how hard it can be, is the most honorable and brave thing to do.
Also telericucks are faggots.

How damaged they are, the more damaged a unit is the more savage they are so it's good to take that into consideration.

NAUGLAMIR

NAUGRIM

or NOGOTHRIM
stunted people, kek

We interpret him as evil because we don’t understand his motives and project evil on to him. He is trying to sway the cosmic chorus to play his melody ....

Can't believe we missed NUMENOR

>Varda rejects Melkor
>Melkor hates her and the Light
Daiky reminder that Varda was the one who doomed Arda all along

>Nazis are evil because... they are evil

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Digits confirm it. Roastie demi goddess fucked it all by not putting out. And fuck Eru too, for fucking up Melkors life.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=roJgXRcQWBU

>7 female Valar
>8 male Valar
What did Eru mean by this?

Except Nazis aren't evil, Dingus.

But some people are literally born evil

This is well known already, every psychopath was literally born with no morality or ability to care for others like normal people do.

Thinking that's bad writing is like thinking realism is bad

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I mean, really, throughout history how much more complicated does it get than greed for wealth and power?

Did Genghis Khan have some complicated history with Russia that made him want to stomp their shit? Did the Mehmed II take Constantinople because he was bullied a child, or did Julius Caesar conquer Gaul because he really wanted to help them but there was just a misunderstanding? Did Vikings go on raids because Arabs were racist to them and they didn't know how to deal with their feelings? Nope. Other people had shit they wanted, so they went and took it.

Sauron had desires like any other being, and Morgoth offered him a faster route to achieving them. He didn't start out planning on grinding all life on Middle Earth beneath his armoured boot heel, but once he'd sided with Morgoth that was pretty much it for him.

>muh evil

Evil is real. Look no further than the white house.

That's the major fault with humanist philosophy. Despite typically being an extremely empathetic mode of thought, they are often unable to conceive the notion of things alien from themselves.

It's fucking Sourman get it right reeeeeeeeeee

when the military was planning retaliatory attacks on Iran over the shit going on in the Persian Gulf, Trump asked how many people the drone strikes would kill and the generals told him 'about 150'. So Trump decided not to do it.

That's more than Obama ever did. Drone strikes that Obama was ultimately responsible for authorizing killed thousands. Children, American citizens, children who were American citizens, obviously a whole bunch of Middle Easterners who just happened to be standing in the wrong place at the wrong time.

It really pisses me off to see people who were Obama's cheerleaders throughout his whole presidency calling Trump "evil" because he said something rude on Twitter. At worst, he's put a lot of people in immigration detention facilities, but it's not like he made them cross the border, and again, Obama did exactly the same thing and that didn't get him branded the second coming of Satan.

Are there really no psychopaths that actually live a good productive life?
Surely there has to be some psychopaths that aren't mass murderers

Priests can't resurrect themselves, someone else needs to cast it on them.

Incels are a part of His divine plan

Someone with common sense fucking finally

Most psychopaths aren't murderers, if you live in a populated area you probably see some every day. They are just amoral individuals who manipulate and use people without any regards or remorse as to whether those people get hurt.

Evil is subjective. Look no further than politics

Sociopaths do. Psychopaths inherently engage in destructive behaviors and have an anti-social mentality that makes them incapable of fully integrating into society

But if he is productive how bad is he really? Not saying that to sound like a robot but a society with productive people are happier.

Well that dog was the hunter gods pet, so it’s definitely powerful.

Psychopaths are rare. It's impossible to see them every day

You're mistaking them and sociopaths

>muh headcanon difference between psychopaths and sociopaths
Cringe

>Sociopathy, on the other hand, is more likely the product of childhood trauma and physical or emotional abuse. Because sociopathy appears to be learned rather than innate, sociopaths are capable of empathy in certain circumstances, and with certain individuals, but not others.

No one could destroy the ring. Ever. Period. It was Eru (god) who pushed Golum into the lava. The movies don’t reflect this.

no such thing as evil and good it's all like... grey man.... you know... different shades

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>Ultimately, psychopathy is rarer than sociopathy and is considered to be the most dangerous of antisocial personality disorders. Not surprisingly, many serial killers, including Ted Bundy, Dennis Rader (BTK), and John Wayne Gacy, have been unremorseful psychopaths. Indeed, it is estimated that nearly 50 percent of all serial killers are psychopaths.

>random claims with no source
Yep, sounds like a neckbeard argument

>pretending to be this retarded

Every single source makes these distinctions including the dictionary.

You simply don't know the difference and now you're shitposting for some dumb reason.

see

>No one could destroy the ring.
They speculated that ancient dragon fire could. And technically Tom Bombadil could pull it off, if he wanted to. So yeah, better be save than sorry. Still, you can't prepare against deus ex machina, that it is true, but it's meh storytelling.

psychologytoday.com/us/blog/wicked-deeds/201801/the-differences-between-psychopaths-and-sociopaths

finally, a good answer

webmd.com/mental-health/features/sociopath-psychopath-difference

britannica.com/story/whats-the-difference-between-a-psychopath-and-a-sociopath-and-how-do-both-differ-from-narcissists

Entirely this

Sauron wasn't the antagonist dipshit.
He was a looming threat.

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She's singing.
Elf music is basically like conjuration because the creation myth of middle earth is literally music.

Perhaps the real antagonist was the friends we made along the way.

Fuck off to /pol/ you fucking niggers stop ruining the comfy LOTR discussion

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy (all sourced btw)
>Hervey M. Cleckley, an American psychiatrist, influenced the initial diagnostic criteria for antisocial personality reaction/disturbance in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), as did American psychologist George E. Partridge.[4] The DSM and International Classification of Diseases (ICD) subsequently introduced the diagnoses of antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) and dissocial personality disorder (DPD) respectively, stating that these diagnoses have been referred to (or include what is referred to) as psychopathy or sociopath
>Both manuals have stated that their diagnoses have been referred to, or include what is referred to, as psychopathy or sociopathy, although neither diagnostic manual has ever included a disorder officially titled as such.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder
>Both have also stated that their diagnoses have been referred to, or include what is referred to, as psychopathy or sociopathy, but distinctions have been made between the conceptualizations of antisocial personality disorder and psychopathy, with many researchers arguing that psychopathy is a disorder that overlaps with, but is distinguishable from, ASPD.
> The category was described as more specific and limited than the existing concepts of "constitutional psychopathic state" or "psychopathic personality" which had had a very broad meaning; the narrower definition was in line with criteria advanced by Hervey M. Cleckley from 1941, while the term sociopathic had been advanced by George Partridge in 1928 when studying the early environmental influence on psychopaths. Partridge discovered the correlation between antisocial psychopathic disorder and parental rejection experienced in early childhood.

psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/insight-is-2020/201812/difference-between-the-psychopath-and-so-called-sociopath

>journalists

>They speculated that ancient dragon fire could.
No they didn't. Gandalf explicity says that he doesn't think even Ancalagon the fuckhueg's fire could burn hot enough to melt the one ring.
All but two of the dwarven rings were EATEN by dragons. They were also forged in Eregion along with the 9 and the 3, and not Mt. Doom where the one ring was forged.

>think
And that's the problem. Nobody really knew for sure. Always prepare for unknown variables as best as you can.

So you're confirming you didn't know the difference

And adding more things that confirm the difference, and then attacking journalism for some odd reason despite the sources in those wiki articles being the same sources the journalist use

Based illiterate retard

shit bait
good bait

think about it logically

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Why didn’t he just put tax on the ring?

youtube.com/watch?v=6dv8zJiggBs

I couldn't find a video of Ben Shapiro confirming the difference because he's more trustworthy in your eyes, so I had to settle on a Indian with a PHD

Study oratorian cosmology, maybe then your brain will be big enough to understand Tolken

holy kek dude

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So you still think psychopaths aren't born evil and are capable of adapting to society despite their anti social immoral behavior?

This isn't what psychopathy is, it's sociopathy which is confirmed in every source posted.

Then you went out of your way to dismiss articles with sources because "journalism is bad."

Wtf? I love revisionism now!

I'm almost positive thinking is your problem.
>Dude they speculated...
And objectively one of the wisest being in the entire series of books says "Lol no"
>B-but they didn't know for sure!
Shut the fuck up retard.

You're doing it so I guess you loved it before, not just now.

Damn, sounds pretty based tbqh.

>no u
Holy shit you're smart

Opening bars to this
youtube.com/watch?v=QwquipMpsiQ

You're both fucking idiots and should stop posting immediately.

All three of you are embarrassing and terrible. Please stop shitting the thread up

I'm waiting for you to admit you didn't know the difference and got mad, so you started using troll tactics deflect, but only made it worse by posting meaningless quotes from a wiki page that showed the differences I had stated.
Then you willingly ignored them to shit on journalism for some reason.

I'm wondering how embarrassed you were, that you had to go to wikipedia as the most reliable source, but couldn't even be bothered to read it yourself.

>posting meaningless quotes from a wiki page that showed the differences I had stated
This literally never happened.
>Then you willingly ignored them to shit on journalism for some reason.
You posted an opinion piece by a journalist so I ignored the rest.

Stay buttmad

youtube.com/watch?v=Cc6yzxcv0Ps

for me, its fingolfin

Look at the IP's. I'm pretty sure it's one retard arguing with himself to ruin threads because his off topic spam gets deleted.

So you didn't read anything after asking for a source for a subject that's easy ti educate yourself on with a simple google search and reading your own wiki article post????

He couldn't. He poured his own essence into that one, so that, when used by him, he would be a lot more powerful. He weakened himself to strengthen himself, provided he had the ring.

Arrogance was Sauron's downfall.

What the fuck was her problem?

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This is incorrect

>Elrond kills that fag Isildur
>Elves go back to that land they were fucking off to in lotr

Boom, problem solved.
Elrond called humans weak yet he was worse than most of them.

She was just a little hungry, bro.
Don't fatshame her.

>And objectively one of the wisest being in the entire series of books says "Lol no"
>Gandalf - “For even the very wise cannot see all ends.”

How about you shut up, retard. I bet you would have advised Sauron to leave Mount Doom unguarded.

Ungoliant is a primordial being like Tom, normal rules do not apply. Even Eru cannot control or foresee events surrounding them.

listen fag, i know what you're getting at best laid plans of mice and men and all that, but it's pedantic at best

Chad psychopath vs virgin sociopath

youre such a fucking faggot loser holy shit, why can't you accept that you arent 300IQ smarter than tolkien sauron and gandalf combined?? that's all this is, your fucking superiority complex bleeding through so profusely that you look down on your clear superiors for 'making stupid mistakes'. all you need to believe is there is a reason above your retard mortal mind why they did the things they did

AAAAAAAAA HELP ME BALROGS

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No more (You)'s, retard.

Don't reply to him. He's literally arguing that fictional characters are real at this point.
He's just going to deflect and move goal posts in a sad cry for attention.

That wasn't my point. You would think that 3000IQ Sauron would guard the place better, considering that it's the place were you can kill him. Ending is deus ex machina bullshit anyway.

>the map included in the Silmarillion is actually fucking useless
Wtf Tolkien, explain this shit

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your point is that you're a very smart young man. we're all very proud of you for uncovering tolkien's glaring plothole sweaty

>your point is that you're a very smart young man.
I never said or implied that, but ok.

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sperg of all spergs, anyone who's ever interacted with you knows what a raging self aggrandizing prick you are. you practically weep conceit out your fucking pores

people are evil

Based trips of truth.

Right winger detected.

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>>REE so much that you singlehandedly change your enemy's name

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tom bombadil was father nature, he cared not for the happenings of meer men, elves, etc.

Just like real life.

>protagonist is good because... he's good LMAO

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The virgin reposter
The chad imbecile

>not evil for extra credit
that’s cringe there frendo

i keep on remembering the moment it turns into ps2 graphics

but he heelturns at the last second
you should have posted true goodboi

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nobody could drop the ring by his own will while standing at the crack of doom

>That be said, I never liked explanation as to why they didn't send ring West.
>Sauron would still not be destroyed
thats the explanation. even without the ring he would still get stronger so they had to kill him now

He was evil because he was so obsessed with creating an orderly and efficient world that he forgot he was initially doing it for the benefit of the people living in the world and started to consider them obstacles

>be under a mountain in a deep dwarf cave city on bridge over a bottomless pit
>fall into bottomless pit
>*scene missing*
>die fighting balrog on top of a mountain

he made gollum trip into the lava

The endless stairs.
Carved from the mountain from its roots, to the highest peak.
When they ask Gandalf what happened down there he gets a thousand yard stare and says he doesn't want to talk about it.
In middle earth the deep places hide things that were hiding in the shadows since before creation. Even the valar don't know where they came from, some cosmic horror bullshit that made even the balrog want to gtfo.

this. sam almost didn't even give it back to frodo

>some cosmic horror bullshit that made even the balrog want to gtfo.

Nah, he was hiding down there for thousands of years, they didn't bother it that much

THE ULTIMATE AND FINAL CÚCK

PARRY, R2, PARRY, R2

this is the definition of ear cancer

Somehow I knew it was going to be some terror core hose shit even before I opened it.

KEK

Test

congrats, have this oldfag gif on the house

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>literal God that created the entirety of existence including these beings cannot control or forsee events related to them

Does anyone else think that lord of the rings just isn’t that good? Compared to stuff today it’s lame af.

>I never liked explanation as to why they didn't send ring West.
I would have thought that the ring's inherently corrupting influence would have eventually destroyed the Elven society, so it had to be destroyed, rather than relocated.

holy shit you type like a schizo
get help

> Taking backstory from a fucking computer game and not reading the Silmarillion like a chad.

Fucking kill yourself.

>the might of combined Valar, gods that created the physical realm, couldn't destroy some fucking ring some Maia made

>This is the faggot recommending films

Because the ring was their last hope. Human civilization was gasping for breath with the sudden disappearance of the Dwarves and the exodus of the elves, not to mention the slow burn of orcish raiding on Gondor taking its toll over the course of decades and the general fracturing of Rohan and Gondor. Any army they could muster wouldn't rival the seemingly endless forces of evil that Mordor could, that's why even when the Uruk-Hai are crushed and Isengard falls there's still a threat. Not to mention shit like the Nazgul. Unless they destroyed the ring, they were going to lose the war.

>Orc slaughters the bearer and finds the ring
>So overwhelmed with power and the evil radiating off it, he immediately starts to wield it and subjugate his fellow orcs
>Starts an orc civil war that lets the world of Men raise a counter-attack and eventually drive them back into Mordor and reclaim the ring, now at the enemy's gates having shattered their resolve

Good plan.

youtu.be/TnDC0JAcYp0
Something that probably would have been played at the Warped Tour.

Sam is good for a reason though. He's the only lowborn in the group.

Gimli is the son of a Dwarf-Lord of Moria. Legolas is an elvish prince. Aragon and Boromir are Gondorian royalty. Merry, Pippin and Frodo are wealthy Shire aristocrats. Gandalf is a fucking wizard. Samwise Gamgee is a gardener for rich folk who came along on the journey because Frodo is his best friend in the world, and he still can't bear to not address him as Mister.

Sam likely couldn't read or write before the fellowship, he was nervous around women, and he was just an unskilled laborer raised by generations of unskilled laborers and told to not aspire. He was the very bottom of the Hobbit social ladder, content to live and die after a lifetime of pulling weeds for people better than he is, and then one day his best friend sets out on a journey and he goes along for the ride. He finds out that the world is bigger than he can imagine and more dangerous than he can fathom but his one friend needs him, and he doesn't want to let him down. Frodo becomes his stability in a dangerous world, the one spot of Shire innocence and warmth that he lost in the world of Men, and at all costs he preserves it and keeps his friend safe, from the dangers of the world and from himself. Not once does he covet the power of the Ring, because he was raised without any desire for it. He's just there to make sure his friend Frodo does what he needs to and gets home safe, even if it costs him his life.

>"this song sucks"
>makes his own tune
>daddy kicks him out of the melody and demonizes him for all eternity

Morgoth wasn't born evil, he was just ostracized by his own kind because he didn't conform like everyone else. Who's the REAL evil here, hm?

why didn't he just summon the knights of the round or cast supernova or some shit? ring seems pretty fucking weak for the power it grants

Because he's Evil Jesus and doesn't really care because Middle Earth has a Ragnarok and he'll be back to split heads in the blink of an eye (for jesus folk)

I mean, the ring makes you functionally immortal as long as you bear it. That's how Frodo survived the Shelob venom and shit. So that's pretty good.

Morgoth is Tolkien's answer to "if god is all powerful, why did he make satan". Morgoth is supposed to be an ass, and people are supposed to struggle against him.

>dad is killed
>your lifes work, your greatest accomplishment is stolen from you
>ask gods to help you find justice, since their shithead brother that they let loose on you caused all your suffering
>"dude lmao just like let bygones be bygones lmao"

Feanor did absolutely nothing wrong. Fuck the gods and fuck the Teleri.

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It wasn't about conformity but harmony. Morgoth was the one asshole who listened to rap music while everyone else is humming to Taylor Swift songs.

If he was so good at making things he could could have made his own boats and not robbed and murdered other people like a nigger.

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MIGHT IS RIGHT

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What's the point of those long pointy helmets? Warhammer Elves use them too. They don't offer any additional protection and just give the enemy an easier time to knock it off your head.

are the books worth reading if i have seen the movies?

Maybe if the Teleri weren't valar bootlickers they wouldnt have got got. Just help your cousins out.

Downward cuts slide off rather than concuss. Same with arrows.

Well I guess Melkor was right to take your stupid gems then

Yes, and horizontal swings will knock them off, or give you a concussion if it's strapped on.

Inventing an entire mythology and even a dozen languages what a hack!

Most cuts in combat aren't great arcs, they're stabs. That makes the conical helmet exceptionally good at deflection.

>The skull could be raised from a single sheet of iron
>although the nasal helm lost popularity amongst the higher classes of knights and men-at-arms, they were still used by archers to whom a wide field of vision was crucial.
>No doubt some knights preferred the better vision and hearing afforded by this more open helmet.
So they're some of the earliest helmets, and they're easy to make, while also providing exceptionally hearing and sight advantages over other helmets.

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didn't read the books, what's going on here?

>bro I need to borrow your boats to kill the person who betrayed me, stole my treasure and murdered my dad.
>N-no the gods say we shouldnt help you fight their brother, even though he killed your dad and destroyed/stole the greatest treasures of elfkind

And it ended about as well as you could expect.