Why does the 3rd season suck? I really enjoyed the first two seasons...

I get this is probably bait but Ratner's Red Dragon is a complete disservice to the original novel. It's just Diet Silence of the Lambs.

I honestly enjoyed the vast majority of the season as well, and just prefer the latter half. I loved the dialogue, and, as you said, seeing Hannibal in that light. The lesbian scenes were full strength retardation.

Have to agree to a degree, but Fiennes did some great work in it, and I wasn't bored throughout it. Why was Manhunter so boring?

Not enough slow-motion footage of snails accompanied by avant garde drumming.

The season 2 finale was a huge, stupid disappointment.

I only got through about 10 episodes. Does it start gaining a plot or does it continue to be a csi show with a new killer every week?

thought this show deserved a forth season

The big problem with Red Dragon to me- is that he isn't an escalation from the killer-of-the-week throwaway characters.

More emphasis is placed on the narrative arc in season two.

Season three is split into two halves - Hannibal's' adventures in Europe, which is good but moves at the speed of treacle, and the Red Dragon material.

Because the Red Dragon story is arguably the most important story of the series and they decided to cram it into half a season since Fuller knew it was getting canceled. when you don't give enough room to a story it decays.

they miscast Dolarhyde and his love interest Reba as well.
>making Red Dragon an oil driller
JUST

if Manhunter had actually cast Dolarhyde correctly and if it didn't have such utterly horrific pacing (Dolarhyde scenes are blink and miss it, everything is crammed together) then it would probably be the best cop/thriller/serial killer kino of all time.

Why does EVERY iteration of Dolarhyde completely not cast him as he should be? Every version of him is dogshit, even Fiennes in R.D. does not have this physicality or right eye/hair color.

how tf are fans not offended at Alana's plot arc? she literally turns into woman-damaged-by-man-becomes-dyke. how is that empowering or not offensive?

Seaon 3 is too artsy fartsy. Brian Fuller got too FULL of himself kek!

it was too gay for you anons wasn't it

I don't get it. It's the origin of the whole series. When you read Red Dragon, Harris obviously put a lot of love and thought into Dolarhyde and probably though fans/readers would really be drawn to him - but because he was poorly depicted in Manhunter no one gave a fuck.

It's only after Hannibal got portrayed by Hopkins visually that his series even got anywhere.

the red dragon arc part is good, but it's rushed and it doesn't add much to how the story was already told in the previous red dragon films

the real problem is the first half, it has no point, it falls into women's soap-opera writing where they start playing up the issues with his sister, with the japanese maid, and then they don't do anything with it and just handwave it away as if it was pointless instead of taking the issue to its real consequences

also pretty pointless mason stuff

the season 2 finale was great, they just decided to resurrect the wrong characters on season 3 and kind of ruined it

hannibal is about gay fanfic, nobody cares about the girls, it's like supernatural, they can't keep any girl being relevant for too long or the fans feel threatened by them

basically this

I've tried to watch season 3 three times. I can never make it past 3 episodes. It's such a frustrating bore.

needs more snails

so the fans are OK with blatant, in your face plot that clearly demonstrate Alana was merely traumatized by a man so then she took refuge in licking puss BECAUSE it got that character away from beloved cannibal?

it's hilarious because it's obvious Fuller looks down on dykes/doesn't care about them but the fans don't register this or don't actually care either even though they're overwhelmingly SJW types.

well, being thrown from a window and paralyzed will do that to you

also the characters are shown to be cosmopolitan and sophisticated people, which means they transcend gender and don't pay attention to genital shape

I love when ivory tower types think genitals have nothing to do with sex or attraction, it's always such a lawl.

Nice bait

first season only complaints:
>concept of ravenstag, just shitty design choice, just make it a stag
>really shitty cgi of ravenstag
>indecision whether Will is an autist or not
>annoying sound when the location shows up in the corner of the screen
other than that it's pretty gr8

>Noonan is tall, yes, but wholly unattractive
nigga the whole point of Francis Dolarhyde is that he's ugly as fuck

to be honest Manhunter portrayed Dolarhyde better than Silence of the Lambs portrayed Buffalo Bill

no that's not the point. have you read the book? here's a pdf if you want.
>embracethemadnessfans.weebly DOT c0m/ uploads/2/7/5/8/27583023/red_dragon.pdf
he's utterly convinced he's hideous but by the time he's an adult he's pretty average/decent looking.

here's a quote:
>"Did they tell you how I look?"
>The question was spoken lightly, very well done, but Reba knew that nobody is
ever kidding. She met it head-on.
>"I didn't ask them. But, yes, they told me how they think you look. Want to hear it?
Verbatim? Don't ask if you don't." She was sure he would ask.
>No reply.
>Suddenly Reba felt that she was alone in the room, that the place where he had
stood was emptier than empty, a black hole swallowing everything and emanating
nothing. She knew he could not have left without her hearing him.
>"I think I'll tell you," she said. "You have a kind of hard clean neatness that they
like. They said you have a remarkable body." >Clearly she couldn't leave it at that.
>"They say you're very sensitive about your face and that you shouldn't be. Okay,
here's the dippy one with the Dentine, is it Eileen?"
>"Eileen."
>Ah, a return signal. She felt like a radio astronomer.
>Reba was an excellent mimic. She could have reproduced Eileen's speech with
startling fidelity, but she was too wise to mimic anyone's speech for Dolarhyde. She
quoted Eileen as though she read from a transcript.
>"'He's not a bad-looking guy. Honest to God I've gone out with lots of guys didn't
look that good. I went out with a hockey player one time - played for the Blues? - had
a little dip in his lip where his gum shrank back from his bridge? They all have that,
hockey players. It's kind of, you know, macho, I think. Mr. D.'s got the nicest skin,
and what I wouldn't give for his hair.' Satisfied? Oh, and she asked me if you're as
strong as you look."
>"And?"
>"I said I didn't know."

sorry, poor formatting.

>"Did they tell you how I look?"
>The question was spoken lightly, very well done, but Reba knew that nobody is ever kidding. She met it head-on.
>"I didn't ask them. But, yes, they told me how they think you look. Want to hear it? Verbatim? Don't ask if you don't." She was sure he would ask.
>No reply.
>Suddenly Reba felt that she was alone in the room, that the place where he had stood was emptier than empty, a black hole swallowing everything and emanating nothing. She knew he could not have left without her hearing him.
>"I think I'll tell you," she said. "You have a kind of hard clean neatness that they like. They said you have a remarkable body." Clearly she couldn't leave it at that.
>"They say you're very sensitive about your face and that you shouldn't be. Okay, here's the dippy one with the Dentine, is it Eileen?"
>"Eileen."
>Ah, a return signal. She felt like a radio astronomer.
>Reba was an excellent mimic. She could have reproduced Eileen's speech with startling fidelity, but she was too wise to mimic anyone's speech for Dolarhyde. She quoted Eileen as though she read from a transcript.
>"'He's not a bad-looking guy. Honest to God I've gone out with lots of guys didn't look that good. I went out with a hockey player one time - played for the Blues? - had a little dip in his lip where his gum shrank back from his bridge? They all have that,
hockey players. It's kind of, you know, macho, I think. Mr. D.'s got the nicest skin, and what I wouldn't give for his hair.' Satisfied? Oh, and she asked me if you're as strong as you look."
>"And?"
>"I said I didn't know."

Silence made Harris' work take off but I'm secretly convinced Red Dragon is what Harris wanted to be thought of when people think of his writing.

>Oh, and she asked me if you're as
>strong as you look."
>>"And?"
>>"I said I didn't know."
based /fit/cel

I let you know me. See me. I gave you a rare gift. But you didn't want it.

youtu.be/vn3ABpCNJrs

This was utter kino.

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yeah.

>She followed the edge of a dividing strip across the parking lot toward the bus stop, her raincoat over her shoulders, tapping the edge with her cane and feeling for the slight resistance of the puddles when the cane swished through them.
>Dolarhyde watched her from his van. His feelings made him uneasy; they were dangerous in daylight. For a moment under the lowering sun, windshields, puddles, high steel wires splintered the sunlight into the glint of scissors.
>Her white cane comforted him. It swept the light of scissors, swept scissors away, and the memory of her harinlessness eased him. He was starting the engine.
>Reba McClane heard the van behind her. It was beside her now.
>“Thank you for inviting me.”
>She nodded, smiled, tapped along.
>“Ride with me.”
>“Thanks, but I take the bus all the time.”
>“Dandridge is a fool. Ride with me . . . “ – what would someone say? – “for my pleasure.”
>She stopped. She heard him get out of the van.
>People usually grasped her upper arm, not knowing what else to do. Blind people do not like to have their balance disturbed by a firm hold on their triceps. It is as unpleasant for them as standing on wiggly scales to weigh. Like anyone else, they don’t like to be propelled.
>He didn’t touch her. In a moment she said, “It’s better if I take your arm.”
>She had wide experience of forearms, but his surprised her fingers. It was as hard as an oak banister.
>She could not know the amount of nerve he summoned to let her touch him.

it really was, the show had its fucking moments.
>tear that slips out of Hannibal's eye after he guts Will

They fug really shortly after that lmao

Yeah dude, that's wrong. In the books Dolarhyde has a hairlip but supposedly without it he'd be Brad Pit.

we are all gonna make it, brah

he's pretty decent looking in the book, has a rockin' bod, his nose looks normal in adulthood after the surgeries he's gotten. the only things that remain are his harelip scars (which he covers by growing his mustache) and that he's had to have his teeth pulled early in his life so he has dentures.

the real scar is his mind.

manhunter is a really hit or miss movie. it has some really good elements, like brian cox as hannibal and will's "process", especially when he figures it out in front of the tv and of course the trademark mann blue, but dolarhyde is total trash, the painting/alternate persona are barely mentioned (which is an absolute travesty, that being the character's motivation). The confrontation with the slowmo and repeated footage of will bursting through the glass to iron butterfly was goofy as hell. And those are just the things i CAN remember. Overall, really hit or miss

Will, his girl Molly and Hannibal along with Jack are absolutely kino in Manhunter.

Then the ball gets completely dropped with Dolarhyde, his motivation, Reba and the confrontation at the end. Just.... it could've been amazing. I thought Peterson was pretty good as Will, that burnt out, half dead attitude is exactly how Will is in the book.
check out this ending scene from the director's cut. it shows clearly how Will got into Dolarhyde's mind, something that Hannibal the NBC tv series is really bad at portraying since it lacks all subtlety. Will goes to see the family that was next on Dolarhyde's list:
youtube.com/watch?v=7hDMebB2ryM
>"I just stopped by... to see you."
Dolarhyde's primary sense is sight, like Hannibal's is either taste or smell. Will knew the Red Dragon based everything on sight, on being seen, on appearance, hence the mirrors.

>YWN get an accurate portrayal of Dolarhyde
>tfw all versions are barely bulked up and either are a hairlet or brunette

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Is this a dolarhyde husbando thread now?

yeah.

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>gay monogamy

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>Click. Freddy Lounds, a copy of a Tattler photograph. “Do you see?”
>“Oh God.”
>“Do you see?”
>“Oh my God.” The words drawn out, as a child speaks crying.
>“Do you see?”
>“Please no.”
>“No what?”
>“Not me.”
>“No what? You’re a man, Mr. Lounds. Are you a man?”
>“Yes.”
>“Do you imply that I’m some kind of queer?”
>“God no.”
>“Are you a queer, Mr. Lounds?”
>“No.”
“Are you going to write more lies about me, Mr. Lounds?”
>“Oh no, no.”
>“Why did you write lies, Mr. Lounds?”
>“The police told me. It was what they said.”
>“You quote Will Graham.”
>“Graham told me the lies. Graham.”
>“Will you tell the truth now? About Me. My Work. My Becoming. My Art, Mr. Lounds. Is this Art?”

I was bored to the point of deleting all the rest episodes. It was probably around the 2nd or 4th episode, can't remember.
Way too much overuse of the slowmotion gimmick.

i honestly can't remember when is there slomo in it?

>tfw you enjoyed the fuck out of Season 1, 2 and 3
feels good

I mean all that shit special effects in close-up that is also in slow motion, e.g. a bullet through someone's head that took 2 whole minutes to show.
It's like they run out of story and dialogue and it turned all into a "feel" show, total crap.
It should probably have stopped at the 1st season.

I agree. I flipped through Silence again some months ago and found it definitively inferior to Red Dragon.

really weird, the change in quality between Red Dragon and Silence is quite noticeable. all the subtlety, overarching themes, references to historical events, it's all missing from Silence. odd.

I see

the second half of season 3 is one of the greatest pleb filters of all time.

they just didn't give enough time to it. it's rushed. Red Dragon deserves an entire season.

Well that was the plan. The fourth season was supposed to be Red Dragon, but they knew it was likely to be cancelled before that so they crammed it into season 3.

poor choice, Fuller should've just had Hannibal have a blast in Italy then end it with him being put into prison.
>"You'll know where to find me Will."

Season 3 is an enormous pleb filter

Also Margot is number one waifu for ever

Holy shit I knew this show was tumblr as fuck but I didn’t think you faggots would actually come here
>muhh representation of dykes in a show about a cool cannibal doing cannibal things and AESTHETIC

you're retarded. I'm making fun of that demographic. my point is, the show pretty much thumbs its nose at them and they claim to care about good representation yet they gobble up a show that sharted on lesbians/women.

Best season by far. Scares the shit out of procedural plebs.