Jesus christ almighty this movie is shit

>jesus christ almighty this movie is shit
Maybe it just went over your head.
Did you ever think you might be a dumbass?

she's basically a linguistics expert that behaves like a scientist, it's really odd.

This movie was awesome. Increase your IQ.

linguistics is science
have sex
checked though

good concept, lazy unimaginative uncreative execution. Unsurprising outcome for a Villenueve joint

>she's a professional who behaves like a professional so weird??

this is how i found out he died
damn, a user's manual was one of kid-hipster-me's favorite albums
i was even just thinking a while ago about how i hadn't heard anything new from him in a while but didn't bother to google him
rip johann

Best first contact scene in cinema history.

>linguistics is science
Next you're going to say Astrology is mathematics

2deep4u
I didn't love the ending the first time around

What are some other lingual techniques that allow me to break laws of physics? I already know latin to cast magic spells. Looking for something along the lines of ftl/teleportation

Where did she break any law of physics?

ok Katy perry

Checked. I got memed into watching it in the theater. I was in rage mode when it was over. I was lied to by critics, audience shills and even friends who must be working with half a deck upstairs. This movie is hands down the dumbest shit I have ever watched.

This is true everything sucks, never been a good movie not ever

Yeah it was pretty bad
>DUDE I LEARNED A LANGUAGE NOW I CAN TELL THE FUTURE

The worst part of it was that it had such potential

based plot point mental midget

t. moron
Yeah man, the science was so hard in this. Fucking awesome movie that really makes you think.

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She didn't just learn a language though, she physically interacted with the ayylmaos and even had sex with them in the floating weightless semen room in the ship.

>Hurrr I learned a foreign language and now it allows my brain to defy principles of time and known laws of the universe. I can see the future and the past!!
Based retard

The whole time I was watching this movie I kept repeating “this is reddit, this is memes, this is reddit, this is memes” it was so fucking awful I was writhing around on the floor in pain during the last 10 minutes.

Thanks for reminding me
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU CAN TRANSLATE A HUMAN LANGUAGE SPOKEN BY MILLIONS BUT NOT THIS COMPLETELY ALIEN LANGUAGE FROM ANOTHER SPECIES

Now imagine in the film there is a 5 second explanation of how the aliens physically rewired her brain when she was in the ship. Do you now suddenly think the film is great?

That's why you will forever stay a plot point mental midget.

Learning a language is changing your brain. There's no possible means to change your brain to sidestep our perspective in time and to see the future. It doesn't even make sense. Your brain would exist in a separate realm of space time. The entire premise is laughably absurd. This movie is as scientific as capeshit. It's star wars dressed up in monotone colors and accented with incredibly dull acting. Really quality trolling m8.

user they never streamed this movie on pornhub

Alight MOTHERFUCKER! How'd you know I just watched this? I haven't watched it until I thx'd YIFY almost 3 fucking years AGO! TELL ME!!!!!

>Hard sci-fi

>A linguist.
>Can't speak Chinese.

>Learn alien spells and gain superpowers.

This movie is shit.

>Learn alien spells and gain superpowers is hard-scifi.

The Green Lantern is harder than this one.

This movie was shit. First of all it leads us to believe she is sad and alone because her kid died. But le ebin twist, the kid was not even born yet!

These aliens language makes you see through time because it changes the way you think? What a crock of shit.

Then we find out different countries have different lessons on the alien language, meaning humans have to work together as one race to learn the language, but then they bluetooth the language into her brain so she learns the language and she calls a Chinese guy and that's it??

i fell asleep in the middle

One more thing to add, everyone always praises the music in this movie, but it just added to pretentiousness of the whole thing

Now that you put it that way, what a stupid fucking movie.

You would think an alien species 3000 years ahead of us could figure out a simple language composed of 26 characters.

>it's a really good hard sci-fi movie that goes in an unusual direction

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They were so advanced that they over thought everything. That's why they took 17 hour naps every day.

I bet they don't have Movies in their homeworld.

It's hard to choose a "top kino" list because you're tempted to choose what you WANT to be on there, versus what should actually be on there. I made my selection based on a single criteria: which have I watched a million times each. With the exception of the top 3, which are in order, there is no order. They all hold a place in my heart as the top kino.

Vanilla Sky
The Fountain
Night of the Living Dead (1990)
eXistenZ
Vampire Hunter D
Event Horizon
American Psycho
Demons
Glengary Glen Ross
Phantasm
Hook
In The Mouth of Madness
Lunopolis
The Ninth Gate
Starship Troopers
Tucker & Dale vs. Evil
The Wicker Man (1973)
Your Highness
Don't Blink

>hard sci-fi
What

BUT YOU DREAM

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>Hook
I can't get over how lame this movie is. Was it designed for 80s kids? I'm genuinely mystified by the love it gets
t. Born in 1991

This, desu. Everything was going great until THE BIG BAD MILITARY and LOVE CONQUERS TIME AND SPACE bullshit. As if the central conflict about first contact and learning to communicate with these aliens wasn't interesting enough.

>As if the central conflict about first contact and learning to communicate with these aliens wasn't interesting enough.
Heh... bro... my dude... amigo... you son of a bitch...

first half hour is based, then it turns into babys first time-space flick

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This. I think the good outweighed the bad by far. There was a compelling story and character with some plot points glossed over too quickly but the movie can't be 6 hours long. Most "sci-fi" movies treat it as a setting, Arrival felt like a great episode of Outer Limits.

>Arrival, but it's Cheech and Chong

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Why the fuck did chinko randomly decide to tell her his private access codes? No militant defender of this movie has ever been able to come up with an excuse for this shit. Every interaction with that character just screamed plot convenience. They even could have cleaned that up by establishing that after the fact Amy Adams talked to him about what happened and planned this interaction so that they could complete the loop, but no. He just fucking approaches her at the party and blurts out his private shit.

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In the director's cut, he also whips out his dick and tells her she'll need to see it for reasons she'll understand later.

>tell her his private access code
It was his phone number idiot, and it was after they had overcome the conflict and entered a new time of peace. His mind was changed during the conflict because she knew something super personal, I think it was something like the last words of his wife or some shit. Seriously, are you one of those people who get totally lost in the plots of even basic TV shows?

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>but then they bluetooth the language into her brain so she learns the language and she calls a Chinese guy and that's it
It wasn't bluetooth the fuck are you on and you completely left out the context of the call with the Chinese general

>could figure out a simple language composed of 26 characters.
They already did. They only played dumb to get humans to cooperate

>It was his phone number idiot
it was established that absolutely no one was supposed to have this number except for his direct family or something, hence it was private
>His mind was changed during the conflict because she knew something super personal, I think it was something like the last words of his wife or some shit.
even this is dumb as fuck, even if it fits the themes of the movie. I'm not "lost" but the motivations for everything around this guy are so cloudy and stupid

They should focus more about the learning process. Maybe even show the alien's frustration in teaching the simpleton human their language. Cut out most of the military crap, only 1 alien vessel, turn the rogue bombing into the climax of the movie.

That might have worked.

>it was established that absolutely no one was supposed to have this number except for his direct family or something, hence it was private
He gave it to her because she called him in the past

>show the alien's frustration in teaching the simpleton
This doesn't work because the aliens are already aware it will succeed

you really backed up from your "access code" statement rather quickly
Face it, normal day to day life is a confusing blur to you and anything above Dora The Explorer is a bit too complicated for you.

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>He gave it to her because she called him in the past
...but why? what's his motivation for giving it to her if to him it's something that happened in the past?
nigger it's basically the equivalent if no one is supposed to have it.

>but why?
yeah, you sound just like those people who can't even keep up with the plot of Saturday morning cartoons.

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I notice in these threads that the people who shit on this movie the most didn't understand it. They always explain scenes that show a complete lack of understanding of what's going on.

that's cool and all but if you're incapable of answering my question then the movie remains undefended and nonsensical

This.

What's the Farsi word for goat?

Dude, you're not my wife. I'm not going to take twenty minutes to walk you through every tiny detail of the plot when its really friggin straight forward. The movie has flaws, but its plot while not perfect makes sense and is easy to follow. Maybe read more books to help train your attentiveness? I don't know, but I'm not you exasperated significant other.

wouldn't it be much easier to use korean or something
english is often berated for being a retarded mess of a language, and I'm sure it'd almost be any linguist's last pick for communicating with a blank slate lifeform

Pleb status: filtered

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I can follow the plot of the movie just fine, I enjoyed the character drama aspect since I like movies in that vein. I explained all of my issues in my previous posts. I don't understand why you people get so defensive about it and immediately start with the ad hominem. Maybe because the explanation doesn't make very much sense?

>I completely misunderstood the point of the movie

We can tell

sorry dude, you can't flip it around
You're the one coming up with what you think are plot holes only to have people tell you you're retarded. Accept your fault and either move on or commit to correcting it.

>A science fiction movie is shit because it doesn't follow physics

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this is just sad at this point, I guess the indefensible plot holes in the movie won't really have an explanation after all

I notice in these threads that the people who defend this movie can never explain what's so good about it. Whenever illogical plot contrivances are brought up, posters are dismissed for not understanding. Fact is only simple minded people defend this simple minded story. I cannot emphasize how dull one must be to defend a plot element that is rooted in complete fantasy while propping this movie up as a good science fiction story. Like it all you want; this movie is unscientific to the bone. It's a perfect fantasy movie for dunces that like shamalanadingdong tier tweests.

guess so, you should just leave the thread then

Case in point... this retard right here:

Contact still remains unbeaten as scikino

its good you bitch contrarians.

>this movie is unscientific to the bone.
You're an idiot.
The movie is literally about the scientific method.

why? I'd like to see more of the arguments surrounding the movie, and especially if my questions are answered, though I doubt that will happen

Just popping in to this thread to remind everyone that pointing out plotholes is not real film criticism. If plot is your primary concern, you are in the wrong medium.

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It's not even contrarian. This is an objectively stupid movie. It's ok to admit that you like stupid movies. A lot of people like schlock. Nothing to be defensive about.

Holy shit you retard. The scientific method is rooted in logic. The plot hinges on a fantastical element (perception of the future because I learned a foreign language hurrrr). No wonder idiots defend this movie.

the main issue is that the resolution of the movie's main conflict at the climax rests on a few plot holes. Criticizing it for lazy writing for not resolving those plotholes is legitimate criticism.

its so shit they don't even bother to copyright strike it anymore
youtube.com/watch?v=yFGy190D8jg

>the main issue is that the resolution of the movie's main conflict at the climax rests on a few plot holes.

No it doesn't.

Just a friendly reminder that it's not film if it's recorded digitally which makes movies look like cinematic vomit.

>I notice in these threads that the people who defend this movie get exhausted going over tiny plot details that people who don't pay attention get befuddled at and think are plot holes. Whenever explained these easily confused people just double down and move goal posts. Fact is only simple minded people can't follow this simple story. I cannot emphasize how dull some one must be to not get this movie was basic science fiction movie that had a lot of potential with the core idea. Like it all you want; but some people don't want all their entertainment dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. It's a rare scifi movie that didn't treat scifi as just a set piece but actually tried to explore an idea.
I fixed that for you.

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it's so tiresome hearing you repeat the same things over and over

Go fucking die.

You don't want want to have well reasoned arguments. You want to shit post and get frustrated when people on the right of the bell curve point out your lack of understanding.

I never said anything about posting more, just reading, but ok arrivalfag

I think the idea here is that any significantly advanced technology will appear like magic to less developed people.

Okay, so here's the thing.
Amy Adams is a linguist. She learns new languages.
And Jeremy Renner mentions how, when you learn a new language, your brain changes, which alters how you perceive the world around you.
BUT
All the languages anyone can learn, right now, are human, and therefore rooted in basic human experience.
Therefore, it stands to reason that learning an *alien* language could and would alter your perception in a way that is completely alien.
The aliens don't percieve time linearly, therefore their language isn't linear, therefore anyone learning their language would also percieve time non-linearly.
This all makes sense given the rules the movie itself sets forth. This all makes internal logistical sense.

BUT THAT'S NOT EVEN WHAT THE MOVIE IS FUCKING ABOUT.
The movie is ABOUT asking the question "Is deeper understanding of the universe worth it in the long run if it negates our given understanding of the universe? Are we more or less human when rejecting our humanity brings us closer to understanding who we are?"

>tiny plot details
I didn't realize the entire point of the movie was a tiny detail. Linguist gets super powers and can see the future after she learns how to speak German in order to help unite humanity (and also have a daughter she knew would die but I don't give a damn about this).

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1. its not an issue if you paid attention
2. you really can't see the forest through all the trees

>In movie
>Learning a new language changes how you perceive the world
>Linguist learns alien language
>Learns to perceive the world in an alien way
>This is somehow a plothole

True, but its less a blitzkrieg than a slow burn that builds up.

How many times will I see this stupid explanation? Why do you justify the stupidity of the story? She leaned how to speak and think in a new language... and now (ahem I mean she always) sees the future. How fucking brain dead do you have to be to defend an absurd premise like that? Just gotta learn some Latin and I'll start thinking interdimensionally!

I dont care what you say, I fuck with this movie.

What shithole do you live in

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reminder that they changed the movie cause interstellar did it first

>I would say the only real significant change is the gift that the heptapods leave us with. In earlier versions they were leaving sort of the blueprints to an interstellar ship, like an ark of sorts. And then Chris Nolan’s Interstellar came out and all of us got together and said, ‘Well this doesn’t quite work now’ (laughs). So we focused more on what we had there in front of us, which was the power of their language.

Which is funny, because even before Interstellar Contact 1997 had alien signals that provide blueprints for a sci-fi dimension travel machine before that

math is a universal language and you could argue by learning it you can tell the future.

>tfw Abbot is death process

Hey faggot, I don't give a shit about the "important questions" the movie raises when it depends on a shitty premise. Do you think that's why it's good? Because it raised some really thought provoking questions? You're a real twat. And no amount of learning and rewiring your brain will enable you to perceive the future. What in the flying fuck is so hard to understand about that?

Wow. You are not only really stupid but you're the kind of stupid person who has one or two areas of technical competencies and thinks they have mastered the world and anything they don't get is just stupid. All I can say man is that you have some big blind spots and would do well to be humble in your day to day life.

kek wtf I didn't know they literally rewrote it because of that, that's a bit sad

Dishonest

>Do you think that's why it's good? Because it raised some really thought provoking questions?
That's literally the point of telling stories.
You're an idiot, congratulations.

>And no amount of learning and rewiring your brain will enable you to perceive the future.
She wasn't actually perceiving the future.
Wrap your mind around that, then come back.

Predictions are not perceiving the future. You can make educated guesses but that's all it can ever be. In the movie The linguist actually perceives the future and adopts a fatalistic existence.
Come on guy...

no it isn’t

Its Sapir-Whorf propaganda

>She wasn't actually perceiving the future.
>Wrap your mind around that, then come back.
This is what I've been waiting for so do my small brain a favor and lay it out nice and slow. Explain what she was actually perceiving if it wasn't the future. Was she... perceiving time without barriers because the future doesn't exist?? Because time is an illusion? I'm really looking forward to your dissertation on time user.

This thread has basically two types of posters:

Type 1:
People who "get" the film. Think it was a nice reprieve from pew pew pretend scifi but also acknowledge it is imperfect and wasted a lot of potential of an interesting idea.

Type 2:
People that don't "get" the movie and think pointing out "plot holes" which aren't plot holes if you actually followed the story, is somehow blowing it out of the water.

If you don't like the movie, just go watch Star Wars and have fun.

If you do like the movie well fuck you because Hollywood will never make a truly great scifi movie that adequately explores an interesting idea.

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>but also acknowledge it is imperfect and wasted a lot of potential of an interesting idea.
seen precisely 0 defenders of arrival come even close to admitting this

>aliens can't talk to us using our language for some reason, even though they possess nonlinear time perception
>amy adams learns chinese when she learns how to perceive time nonlinearly

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The basic idea is that language, meaning how you convey your perception of the universe, can shape how you perceive the universe.
The basic example given in the movie is the tribe in idea that has no perception of "Left" or "right", but have an innate sense of direction because they say North South East or West instead of just "To my left" or "to My right".

The aliens don't perceive time linearly, the way we do, and their language isn't read linearly like ours is.

Understanding their language meant perceiving time the way the aliens do, which is non-linearly. The important thing is, it's *possible* for all humans to do this, but it took an alien language to do it. Meaning we define and are defined by out limitations in relating our experiences with others.
She can't see into the "future", because the "Future" is an abstract concept that we invented. We percieve time as linear because of the language, and thus the conceptual lens through which we observe and relay our observations of the universe.

>le blind spot because I disagree with a fundamental aspect of the story
I don't think I've mastered the world. I'm perpetually butt blasted that this single element of "language allows you to see the future" is accepted as a valid plot device in a supposedly science based movie of fictional origins. What is acceptable about that? It's just absurd. It's fucking capeshit like Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen. And what does any of this have to do with humility bozo?

i'm legit clairvoyant. Not the guy you were replying to btw.

see:

To be fair its not clear if the aliens would ever be able to completely learn our language based on their perception of reality.

>learning an extra-terrestrial aliens language changes how you perceive time = getting bitten by a radioactive spider makes you part spider without any ill effects

People like you think that I, or other viewers who dislike this movie for the reasons outlined, misunderstand the very simple idea you laid out. There is no misunderstanding. Yes I understand the concept. It is kindergarten tier. A mentally stunted kid can easily grasp the idea that language affects perception of reality.

Say it with me. Language does not defy the laws of the universe. It fundamentally cannot. You cannot learn a language to envision the future exactly the way it happens. It is silly and belongs in capeshit as a garbage superpower.

You clearly don't get it at all.
Just throwing that out there. You fundamentally do not understand what the movie is saying.
You think you do, but stupid people don't realize they are stupid.
You are stupid.
I've spent over 4000 characters laying it out, and you remain stubbornly lost. That's on you, buddy.

this really is the main issue of the movie. It's a very silly fantastical concept under a smokescreen of science fiction because of the possibility of alien concepts we can't quantify.

Hey moron, your memories are formed by present experiences. Your brain cannot travel into the future without your body to form your memories. DO YOU FUCKING GET IT? Why do you think this ok?

And just to reiterate, your body is made of chemicals. Your existence is based on chemical reactions. You are fundamentally an existence of everything reacting. Language imprints memories but please do tell me how it allows chemical reactions that haven't happened yet to imprint memories in a brain.

They're gravity defying aliens. Seeing the future is clearly peanuts for them.

Also, again, that's not what the movie is fucking about.

>Fuck Great Power coming with great Responsibility! Nobody can stick to walls like that! That's not physically possible!

That's you. That's what you sound like.

Anyone who was disappointed in the movie should read the short story, it's way, way better (and frankly shouldn't have been adapted in visual media at all)

Whether they can see the future by itself is not the issue. The issue is that a human learning a foreign language is enough to see the future which is a silly idea because it's not based on anything remotely scientific. If the aliens had devised a machine that could warp spacetime to then allow humans to perceive the future then that would be interesting and allow better suspension of disbelief. And hell you could still have the alien language discovery in the movie too.

>that one assblasted arrivalfag that still does not understand people call out plot holes just to make him mad

>And hell you could still have the alien language discovery in the movie too.

The language was the entire goddamn point of the movie, you fucking pleb

hence why it's a retarded movie

No shit, but it's contrived and doesn't work on anything approaching science when you add that the language lets you see the future. That's why it's just a piece of shit story. It's just so fucking stupid. Just because some retarded tribes in Africa never developed abstract representations of time with their hilariously small vocabulary doesn't mean a complex language can open your mind to sidestepping the realty of how humans physically experience time.

>learning a language allows you to transcend time itself
christ on a fucking cross mate

>aliens had devised a machine that could warp spacetime to then allow humans to perceive the future then that would be interesting
But that completely breaks all known laws of physics all the same. It's just a way people have become accustomed to it fiction, and thus are more likely to accept. But the fact of the matter is that according to our understanding of time, it's impossible to reverse or interpret it non-linearly, full stop. It's just a fact.

Our understanding of how to break the time continuum via some kind of machinery is literally every bit just as unfounded as breaking it via language. They're equally bullshit from a scientific point of view.

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>But that completely breaks all known laws of physics all the same.
Does anyone even have a complete understanding of gravity? You may be right. I abide by the principle of fate. That it's all predetermined. There's no changing the future just like there's no changing the past. We do only perceive time as it happens but free will is itself an illusion. We are all reacting to everything that came before us. The only observers who can fully comprehend the universe would be any entity not bound by the universe but instead existing outside it.