Where is the hype? Is Star Wars finally dead?

Sadly this

They'll probably have him have sex with Nien Nunb

Ice Cream Maker Man: A Twisted Tale

The Disney movies were a mistake (sequels of any kind were a mistake) but tossing out the EU was a sensible decision given their new mission statement of a singular Star Wars canon, which had never existed prior. The EU was not properly canon in the way the new stuff is. In terms of story appreciation canonicity only matters insofar as continuity matters, but for Disney retaining the EU would have meant picking and choosing since they had a multimedia vision from the outset. Lucas never cared about anything outside of his vision, and that consisted of the movies and TCW. Nothing else. That's why the EU operated on a kind of tier list. With Disney there are no tiers -- just tears.

I think the fact they called the movie, “Rise of the Skywalker” when the Skywalkers are all dead or irrelevant tells a lot about how hard they’re trying to bank on nostalgia for this one.

>the Skywalkers are all dead or irrelevant
Kylo is neither dead nor irrelevant. I don't have high hopes for how the movie handles the character, though.

Kathleen Kennedy literally stated that the title is meant to get us interested in the movie and might not have all that much to do with the content of the film.

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All of his friends are dead, what's the point? it'll just be depressing

"The Rise of Skywalker..it doesn't answer anything."
and
"We didn't wanna have a title that felt like it was telling the story." -Kathleen Kennedy.

Cool Star Wars is fucking dead. Women ruin everything.

>Skywalkers are what Rey calls the new Jedi

yay

In no way was that sensible. All they had to do was ignore it and just retcon the super incompatible stuff (Mara Jade and such).

The only thing I'm excited for with regards to this film is seeing the remaining TLJ defenders have to come to terms with the fact that their flick did indeed kill the franchise.

And J.J. AbrahamJewnotChristiansmith says that he's doing away with "the dark side" because it's racist against black people.

>tfw saw Billy Dee att a comic con
>strict "no alcohol" rules for the autographs
>but what about my Colt 45?
>Does it not work every time?
>It certainly does
>Bill Dee signs it
Also, he was stoned as hell doing the autographs. And a good friend.

>tfw you work in marketing and this kind of fucking amateur hour just really pisses you off

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>All they had to do was ignore it
The whole point was that they didn't want to ignore comics and novels, but rather wanted a multimedia grip where everything was on the same level and carefully curated. Picking and choosing what to ignore and what to continue would not only be a headache but also limit what they could do with the movies. The only loss in this is that, naturally, the Legends material is dead because the canon stuff is the priority.

Dude's a Solo, not a Skywalker

Say you had to pitch the movie to me. Make me cum, ad-user!

Last names are arbitrary. He has as much of Leia's bloodline in him as he does Han's.

looks like disneys profit expectations... were subverted.

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Same, I felt empty after watching it in theaters.
I can still watch the OT (and even the PT to an extent) just fine but I don't feel any excitement for film franchises anymore. Maybe it's for the best since I've gotten more excited in exploring 70's New Hollywood films instead but I never thought I'd feel this.

>Last names are arbitrary
t. non-patriarchally surnamed user

Dude, I don't think you understand..you can BUILD YOUR OWN LIGHTSABER. And you can eat "Kaduu ribs" (pork) in a kind of not really but sort of MOS EISLEY CANTINA

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Star wars cant truly died, disney gona milk it until there is nothing and play with the carcass in hope there is still something .

Padme-Hershlag is Jewish, she has a daughter, Leia-Hershlag. By jew law you're Jewish if your mother is. Therefore Kylo is a jew. And a Skywalker.

This, why didn't those dumb fucks realize we just wanted the old gang on screen together again instead of giving us weird patricide scenes that meant nothing in the end and killing them all off horribly?

>tfw didn't get to see Han greet Lando and actually get backup right off the bat from the start

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I still love 1-6. Only George Lucas can produce that style and atmosphere.

Anakin did not have a father and took on his mother's last name, you realize?

This. So much this.

Yes, it's a Jewish construct, I get it, but it still leaves my point as valid too.

That’ll be so fucking gay if true.

It's got to be true. Do you remember the ending of TLJ, where the little kids are playing Star Wars (I like that part, fight me) , well that's an obvious bit of foreshadowing because Luke was the focus and those kids believe in HIM not the force. Interesting message Disney is imparting to the kids.

Further proof Star wars fans are brain damaged. TFA was enough to tell you that ST was dead. The same things I told people about TFA were repeated by the angry nerds after TLJ. But whatever, you assholes scared off George so he was right to sell it to the mouse.

Same.
TFA felt like an alternate timeline thing that didn't bother me that much. It could've happily co-existed with the OT, and I would've kept buying merch of the Real X-Wing (T-65) for example.
TLJ was a slap in the face, a kick in the balls and a watery diarrhea dump on the chest all at once.
Didn't go see Solo. It was the first Star Wars movie in my life I didn't see in theaters. It was the first Star Wars movie in living memory not to turn a profit. And bloggers with galaxy brains and neon hair says it's because it had a white male lead and people are tired of that. It's almost too tragic to laugh at.
Have fun with your new fanbase Kathleen Kennedy, hope it was worth it.

I really want to see this shit because I need to see how they try to save this dumpster fire but I wouldn't because I guess this movie IS.NOT.FOR.ME
fuck disney
fuck marvel
fuck the mouse
fuck star wars
and more especially, fuck me ever watching the past two episodes

Star Wars is just about braintailed sluts for me now.

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>Star wars cant truly died
Its dead Jim the same day they trashed the EU

Not really. The point is the Skywalker line is significant because of Anakin. Kylo has as much of Anakin's blood in him as a hypothetical child of Luke would. I actually imagine the title (if it has any significance) is about Luke's lasting influence, but Kylo still represents the Skywalkers in the ways that matter.

>And Leia isn't going to die.
There's a bit of a problem with that.

>implying Lucas and Disney don't go way back.
Everything degrades, friends. What was once awesome, will become shit.

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I hate this conversation as much as I hate the Middle East.

Remember to pretend to NOT know what star wars is.
If someone ask you if you watched the last star wars, answer them "What is that? a movie?"
hurt the mouse. make their franchise worth a penny

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He looks weird as fuck without his shitty beard

>Kill the Past
>New movie is literally about Luke's name

Not when he was thin, but the 1980s were hard on him. Divorce sucks, man. But yeah.

4>5>6>3>1>2>7>solo>RO>CoC>8

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Do you hate genetics too?

Only when they harbor inherently angry personalities.

Yes. Stop posting this garbage every day.

I'm the same.
TLJ hurt far more than it would have because TFA and Rogue one made it seem like Disney actually cared.
I went into TFA fully expecting it to be how TLJ was.

I've seen this trailer maybe twice at the cinema for different movies.
I think both times, someone groaned out "just fucking shoot her" at some point during the first 30-50 seconds.

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They knew exactly what you wanted. What you fail to understand is that they despise you.

>TFA and Rogue one made it seem like Disney actually cared.

>I went into TFA fully expecting it to be how TLJ was.
Based libtarded time-traveling user

IT'S JUST A JOB TO THEM!!

and this is coming from a guy who made it pass the prequels.

Funny, cuz he didn't make 5.

Here you go again. Dumb boomers ruined star wars. We didn't want the old gang again. We wanted new characters, vehicles, planets, stories. Instead, thanks to the boomers, we get a remake of ep. 4. Then we get old ass han and Luke who do nothing but destroy their original characters (both are bum losers). And now we are stuck with a return of the jedi remake with the same xwings, star destroyers.
The prequels which boomers hate were much more original and at least expanded the star wars universe.

the EU was what kept people interested in the years between ROTJ and TPM and all of the great Prequel media we got during and afterwards. You can't just throw out what kept people interested when there were no films between 83-99 and then 03-14 (or whenever the disney buyout was, i can't remember)

When you get rid of the people who kept the franchise alive when there was nothing going why should they stick aorund?

exactly this, i guess the conditioning is just too strong for most people to recognize this very obvious fact
C A M R I P

that's what's up

This. You can have a fun little cameo but not make them main characters again.

TFA and Han Solo or Luke in TLJ felt like Star Trek Generations where it was supposed to bridge the gap between TOS and TNG but it just ended with Kirk unceremoniously dying on a hillside trying to stop an old guy launching a rocket into the sun. I didn't really feel as disgusted with the sequel trilogy character kill-offs because Generations had the same effect for me in 25 years ago.

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Sneed Wars

I felt exactly the same way.

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still better than nemisis.

not saying much. All the TNG movies miss the mark. I wish we got DS9 movies instead.

>When you get rid of the people who kept the franchise alive when there was nothing going why should they stick aorund?
Everyone knows discontinuing the EU resulted in widespread asshurt. I'm not arguing otherwise. The mistake Disney made is not introducing much good stuff in the EU's place to retain interest and probably overestimated how much more casual fans give a fuck about the comics and books to begin with. But given how even stories across different time periods can reflect on each other and how much of the EU takes place after RotJ, a fresh slate is an obvious choice even if they didn't want to emphasize other media as much as they clearly did and still do.

First Contact was dope for both the premise, Borg Queen and Zefram Cochrane

Well... not knowing much about the movie it's kinda hard to do a marketing pitch for it. I can't sell you a product I myself don't know about. Realistically the best I could do without also assuming control over product design is tell you where the existing marketing has gone wrong and how it should be corrected.

First off, I wouldn't come out and say the movie's title doesn't have much to do with the contents. That's like trying to sell a strawberry cake and putting on the front of the package like 'contains 10% re-hydrated strawberry solids by volume'

Second, the marketing should show Rey in tribulation. One of the greatest sore points among the fanbase has been Rey's Mary Sue status, of how she doesn't really undergo struggle or growth but just has things handed to her. The YAS QUEEN SLAY CUT THAT TIE FIGHTER OMG SHE'S SO AWESOME thing they've done with the trailer is no good because it just emphasizes how Rey is ultra-powerful and doesn't really struggle with anything, which is going to exacerbate the sore spot. If the footage exists, I would show a clip of her undergoing some kind of tribulation. Real tribulation would be best, like her being severely injured or being completely helpless, something like a Luke-on-Hoth scenario. If the footage doesn't exist you'd have to manipulate cuts or music to suggest it. This kind of depiction would soothe the Mary Sue sore spot and build anticipation for seeing a proper ol' Hero's Journey, which is something that the fanbase very vocally insists it wants to see.

Hearing The Senate was good, that should be kept.

why do you faggots discount all the vidya, tv shows, etc as not being in the EU. the entirety of the clone wars is in expanded universe shows, video games, and books, the expanded universe isnt just books about post endor, its kotor, the clone wars, kyle katarn, bounty hunter. no one but the apex autists care about a shitty book about luuuuke, eu fans care about all the good shit.

the vong were good though

>UWAAA TLJ was the last straw.
The prequels were actual dogshit. This board's got shit tastes. The original trilogy was fine, this new one's boring, but the prequels are offensively shitty.

MUH CHILDHOOOB CAN'T BUY MORE TOOOOOOYS

Dude, you posted a Bruh moment.
Disney paraded out everything old and then killed/sullied it so people would stop buying the OT merch that Disney has to pay royalties on, and instead buy merch they own 100% of the rights to. Plotwise the movies are straight remakes because the corporate husks at Disney are creatively bankrupt and don't dare stray from what they believe to be a winning formula.
You can blame boomers for the stagnation of starwars if you want but it's like blaming Trotskyites for the Stalinist purges

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time travel ones are always good. They just blew their load too soon combining Kahn with Voyage Home.

Sweetie nobody even talks about game of thrones or avengers endgame shit because they were both forgettable

The actual trailer hasn't come out yet. Wait until october and things will get insanely hyped. And probably a month before that start to

The fact that people are agreeing to this post and don't think it's satire or the post isn't satire is proof that Rian Johnson literally filtered plebs that enjoyed bing bing tier flicks by elevating the movies to be something different than that.

The last jedi was fucking great.

prove it

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nice job making a shit tier copy of the bvs memes

user im sorry you're so braindead you're cucked to the range of memes that includes capeshit when discussing cinema.

The last jedi is quite literally what we refer to as a pleb filter.
The star wars bandwagoners and otfags who also hated the prequels combine to be a menacing population of plebs.
They can't identify kino because they actually like flicks.
They geeks and gamers of youtube wanted it to be more like marvel because they think those are all epic
they will likely eat up JJ's IX slop

i'm pretty sure this is bait but TLJ was littered with marvel tier jokes from the very first lines. it's not my fault you used this biblical imagery to try to insinuate TLJ is something artistic, which is exactly what the bvs dudes did but with much more AUTHENTIC ACADEMIC editorial reasoning, which made it a superior meme to whatever you are attempting. just try a little harder and write us an essay on why TLJ is secretly kino pleb filter and not un flic, please educate the unwashed masses

the eu had just one canon you fool, it was all conected and it all made sense
you don't know shit, stop talking like you do

>TLJ was littered with marvel tier jokes from the very first lines.
"Ooooo icky icky pooo!" - the phantom menace

please stop

D E F L E C T I O N
also that wasn't the line, it was "icky sticky goo" and you'd never see that shit in a marvel movie because it's literally too tonally advanced, so checkmate

Disney tried to Marvelify Star Wars with releases every year but didn’t bother making the world seem worthy of so many movies, now they aren’t special and even normies are realizing that they’re out of ideas with shit like Sheev returning

>it's literally too tonally advanced
That's the last jedi and it's meta your momma joke that literally made people seethe because it made them self aware that they were watching a space bing bing movie and always thought it was serious, like poking cheekily to filter the unwanted

they couldve just created a new continuity set before or after the yuzang vong and it wouldve been fine for a.lot of people although they couldve easily fit the stories i' the eu canon
however they didn't just do that, they destroyed the whole eu timeline, from tales of the jedi to jedi outcast
I felt betrayed honestly, since disney took over I haven't bought anything star wars related
The message was that I didn't matter and I understood that perfectly

>The EU had one canon you fool
Not exactly. There was the EU canon and the film canon, but story details from the EU were also further categorized because the EU had inconsistencies. That was the whole point of the Holocron database.

>same movie that attempts to make commentary about evil slaveowners and weapons suppliers
>NO IT WAS ALWAYS A DUMB SPACE WIZARD MOVIE TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF BRO

you're deflecting by focusing on jar-jar's humor which comprised maybe less than 5% of the complete film, and actually made for some interesting tonal juxtapositions, for example when he's eating with anakin and his mother, or really any interaction with the straitlaced jedi. TLJ lacks all of this tonal complexity for jokes that wouldn't be out of line in a disney show like suite life, complete with canned studio laughter.
how about you actually try defending TLJ mr desperation?

>turn your brain off
No it was telling a shitposting tier joke to start the movie and people actually got offended, lighten up

You just said a whole lot of nothing as far as film arguments go, you just were that offended by green titty milk?
Lol the film is a tonal masterpiece as far as star wars goes

no, there was never a film canon and an eu canon, it was just in canon cause the eu respected the films way more than Disney did
And they didn't have inconsistencies I dont know wtf you are talking about
You bought the mouse propaganda, fool
Lucas was always consulted on the big decisions and the writers asked each other constantly

you're definitely baiting but jesus christ that's sad. how about you talk about how TLJ's humor fits in with the overall tone in a short sentence or two, which is exactly what i did. let's start there.

Fuck man how can you not see the writing on the wall? Rey isn't going to become Jedi she's going to make a new group and call them the Skywalkers who are better than the Jedi ever were. It's going to be terrible

The jokes and anything you might find cringe is no more cringe than shit you find in rotj and the prequels

Rian made a film that exemplified both the ot and the prequels in terms of visuals and tone
and he had more serious directing in certain ways than the series had gone in yet. You can't handle a couple jokes? Drama and comedy are hand in hand.

rian showed yu de wei

>no, there was never a film canon and an eu canon
Incorrect. Again, this was the whole point of the Holocron Database that was overseen by Leland Chee. This database (to my knowledge) still exists, but the difference is that with Disney's acquisition of the IP there was an open commitment to a uniform canon. The comics and novels are now just as canon as the movies, this was not the case before. Lucas was never beholden to EU material; the new movies are. Of course they tried to keep it consistent (what good was the EU if it constantly contradicts the movies?) but that's not the same as Disney's commitment to an all-encompassing canon. Lucas quotes are easily found with a quick search:

>Interviewer: Do you think you'd have other people continue the Star Wars saga past Episode VI or turn some of the other material into films?

>Lucas: But there's no story past Episode VI, there's just no story. It's a certain story about Anakin Skywalker and once Anakin Skywalker dies, that's kind of the end of the story. There is no story about Luke Skywalker, I mean apart from the books. But there's three worlds: There's my world that I made up, there's the licensing world that's the books, the comics, all that kind of stuff, the games, which is their world, and then there's the fans' world, which is also very rich in imagination, but they don't always mesh. All I'm in charge of is my world. I can't be in charge of those other people's world, because I can't keep up with it.

>when the Skywalkers are all dead or irrelevant tells

1) Rey is a Skywalker, not related to Leia or Luke but actually a relative of Shmi Skywalker and her family.
2) The Rise of Skywalker has Luke Skywalker resurrecting like Jesus
3) Kylo Ren is turned, he is the only Skywalker heir apparent we know of unless Rey is his sister or Rey is a more older Skywalker
4) Rey was actually created by the force a la Anakin via Palpatine and Kylo is turned but Luke is just a force ghost, Kylo and Rey make new Skywalker babies at the end

>First off, I wouldn't come out and say the movie's title doesn't have much to do with the contents. That's like trying to sell a strawberry cake and putting on the front of the package like 'contains 10% re-hydrated strawberry solids by volume'
:) Nice.

>Second, the marketing should show Rey in tribulation.

That would have gotten more of my attention, but after TFA and TLJ, it's not enough and I would have seen it as another bait and switch, but it got my attention.

I bet you're pretty good at your job.

you mean poe farting on weddings is as canon as the endor battle?

I don't think Disney can win this one. The trailer would have to be a masterpiece in itself to mobilize disgruntled fans and normies. All they have left is their woke twitter crowd and tabloids.

how about you actually defend this film you love so much instead of treating it like a dick measuring contest then? again, more deflection. i never said anything about "cringe" in anything, so that nullifies your entire first sentence i guess. make some comparisons between OT, prequel, and ST "cringe" if you want me to know what the fuck you're saying.
>Rian made a film that exemplified both the ot and the prequels in terms of visuals and tone
this means nothing without substantiation.
the rest is i guess is about contesting my tenacity in appreciating star wars drama in lieu of humor? yes, i can handle some jokes. that's why i literally just defended fucking jarjar, because it worked in-universe. jar-jar is a stupid retard exile from a species of hardassed people who hate him. helping him is something a jedi would do, even though they would indulge in his obnoxious behavior. it totally works tonally.
>drama and comedy are hand in hand
awkward phrasing, but yes, i agree. again i ask for like the fifth time now, how about you actually try defending the film instead of spewing this desperate argumentative shit?

TFA ruined the franchise. JJ put some heart into Jakku but the rest of the film is a paint-by-numbers shitfest. The characters are bad, Harrison Ford and Fisher are burnt out, and Starkiller Base is a cringefest.

I have no idea what you're referring to, but if it's in official material then yes.

Here's a (you) for the effort. Now please fuck off.

>even though they would indulge in his obnoxious behavior
would never indulge******

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How about you actually accuse the film of something bad first you faggot instead of whining like a redditor

Just let it die

Disney Wars died for me with JJ's complete rehash.

Didn't even bother watching TLJ, and by the looks of it all, it's good that I didn't.

t.massive Star Wars geek that read the Zhan novels when they first came out and saw that as a great example of a sequel trilogy

this, the prequels embarrass me far more than the new trilogy. the sequels are just more awkward on their face because (imo) they LOOK just like the old star wars movies, but with more completely shit dialogue

bad bait friend, you suck at this

wow dude, nice job typing this all out and epicly trolling everyone. fucking retard. the actually funny thing is you'd be the epitome of blue checkmark bugman if you went about espousing the praises of the EIGHTH fucking star wars film. fucking joke.

Star Wars OT : Mission Impossible - a cool new authentic thing
Star Wars PT : Mission Impossible II - a lot of heart and a lot of honest effort but to heavy handed with the 'cool shit' ends up corny and bizarre due to forgetting a good story
Star Wars ST : Mission Impossible III - JJ Abrams: Oookay guys we need to get this ship righted so, really by-the-numbers, tight formulaic, all the story beats workshopped and everything optimally calculated to appeal to the original fans, it's competent, high quality corporate entertainment product. btw now it's got a modern 'ensemble' vibe and the films after are going to be full blown slapstick capers for some reason

>you're deflecting by focusing on jar-jar's humor which comprised maybe less than 5% of the complete film
That's what you said but you have only said less than 1% of the film as far as your issues with it and only been the yo momma joke and titty milk joke

aka prequel tier pleb filtered hate, im more advanced than you.

The only thing rian elevated was the veil of nostalgia. Also, imagine trying to find some deeper meaning in a corporate shlock film and then going on a chinese paper folding forum to act superior about that.

>he says this on a marvel capeshit board with 20+ entries
Sorry Rian raped your childhood by making kinography

I bet you think Prometheus and Alien Covenant weren't pure kino either you dumb niglet

>tfw I just know my normie friends will want to watch this movie in the cinema
I mean hanging out with them is fun but if they plan to see this I'm going to get drunk beforehand. I won't watch any other Disney Star Wars movie sober after TLJ

REY
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WILL
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DO
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ANYTHING
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SHE
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WANTS
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>corporate shlock film
>stands out so much from the series it makes all those purists corporate shlock consuming plebs fuck off because it was an actual film

The point is that this board has shit taste in movies even popular movies, the average taste in blockbusters here is absymally bad, yes the last jedi is better than tons of shit liked here, you're all from /r/movies and like and post about weak shit mostly and pleb television

nice, if true

I understand you, but honestly I remember feeling the same watching Episode II back in 2002. I was ten, a big fan of star wars. I liked Episode I because I was literally a child in love with jedi and starships but Attack gave me the chills. I didn't know why back then, but Yoda fighting and the whole love plot and everything about clones felt wrong and not star wars. I still loved the original trilogy but TFA and TLJ were so different, again, from the previous movies it felt like another world. Being the fan of a big franchise is to suffer.

>his board has shit taste in movies
and here you are proving your point

Just say you saw Endgame twice, pleb mutt

Look at all you basedboy victim faggots in hiding
>noo they broke the only thing I cared about!!
>I was the BIGGEST star wars fan and then after 20 years of pure shit DISNEY RUINED IT!!
>wow I wish we could go back to when star wars was gooooooooooood!

Star Wars was never good
Stop crying when Disney did the most based thing they could have ever done which is destroy every manchilds hopes and dreams and forced them to grow up

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you or whoever the fuck i was talking to (probably you) brought those things up, not me.
here's me, and here is what i am still waiting for.
>just try a little harder and write us an essay on why TLJ is secretly kino pleb filter and not un flic, please educate the unwashed masses
well?

But I'm the contrarian with acquired rangeful taste, thus I am actually the patrician here. You are all hivemind niggers like the rest of the internet filth, it's not a special club.

It had good intentions and even good ideas; what it lacked was unironically soul, in the writing sense. Everything felt so forced and lifeless! Even the two suns scene, which should have been the most important moment of the movie, fell somehow flat.

>explain why this film is bad on a film with soundless webms
Watch it until you learn because clearly you cannot comprehend anything besides death stars

disney is an ozymandias style villain obliterating all movies ever in the name forcing legitimate artists to seek other avenues

not even good bait friend, try to be at least a little clever/funny

The problem with Poe's opening jokes in both TFA and TLJ is that they undercut all the tension in their scenes. Jar-jar's antics never occur on-screen with Maul, but both of the major First Order villains have been made into jokes by Poe. It's really hard to take Hux seriously as a villain when every scene he's in has him being shat on by Kylo or getting verbally dunked on by Poe.

Sounds like someone needs to have sex.

>everyone is dumb but I'm special
seriously neck youself, you don't even deserve to have sex

because most of what came before it was fucking retarded

projecting virgins I had sex before you were in hs

hes a more modern type of villain i guess, like a mark zuckerberg. a dweeb that sweats and has a panic attack but in 'control' of a fucking unthinkably powerful sort of machine

Was that last week? You write like a fourteen year old.

mark zukerberg is at least developed, hux is just there because the script wants him to be

Can't wait to see Jumanji instead of Star Wars

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>Jar-jar's antics never occur on-screen with Maul,
His jokes are literally inter cut with obi wan and qui gon jins fight with maul, they cut away from the awesome fight to have jar jar getting hit on the balls by a tank gun

prove me wrong

Reminder that anything special about Anakin would have been in his Y-chromosome since he couldn't possibly have gotten it from his mother. Thus Kylo is just some fucking loser.

Pure pleb jumanji flicks are even worse than JJshit

Truthfully, star wars has been shit for 40 years, but if you didn't drop the new shit the instant boyegas glistening mug popped into the trailer you're a fucking idiot

Same. If TLJ objective was to kill the love I had for Star Wars, then it was very sucessful.

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no one:

literally no one:

not a single soul:

not no one on this earth:

last jedi kinotogredditors:

those are separate barely related plot threads though. it is a bit of tonal whiplash, but at least it's contained within distinctly separate scenes.
also i don't think jarjar gets hit in the nuts, he does ride the tank barrel thing though, but i don't think it hurts his nuts

>Star Wars was never good
t. NPC

>people defend Disney's Marvel's TLJ, not as a goofy shit flick, but as some next level experimental film

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Clone wars (at least the cgi one) is still canon in the disneyverse.

We never actually see Hux "in control" of everything. Every time he's in command, he either gets dabbed on by Poe or casually belittled by Kylo.

Different scenes in different locations with wholly different casts. Yeah, it's a bit jarring bouncing between them, but they never undercut how menacing Maul is.

Maul should be menacing, Rian wanted Hux to be more comedic in this episode

>Lando
>CGI Leia

>hes a more modern type of villain i guess, like a mark zuckerberg. a dweeb that sweats and has a panic attack but in 'control' of a fucking unthinkably powerful sort of machine
so completely at odds with how he's portrayed in TFA... imagine writing a yo momma joke about grand moff tarkin. lmao. just fuckin lmao.

But that's why they're worse. The prequels are bad, but at least they tried something new. Like it or not Lucas changed everyone's perspective on what star wars could be. Some of it was IMO for the worse (like making it so that every single jedi and sith use a lightsaber) but it was still revolutionary and ended up leading to some of the best EU material. The sequels, like all recent nostalgia jerking cash grabs, just try to be pozzed versions of the original and fail miserably.

This, even the Prequels didn't break me this bad

i just looked up this scene and i just can't believe these movies were fucking made

yeah i agree with your sentiment i kinda wrote that post backwards i think

At the very least prequels were loved by kids. Maul was an icon for young boys.

Their faggotry is matched only by your own.

Based Rian turning manbabies into men with his kino.

>no, there was never a film canon
yeah there was, lookup the holocron database

no one:
literally no one:
not a single soul:
not no one on this earth:

you: I'M FUCKING GAAAAAAAAAY PLEASE THINK I'M FUNNY

SOLO and R1 were okay films. TFA was shit but not offensively bad as 2/3 of the Prequels.

TLJ and especially the Disney PR campaign after it calling fans racists, sexists, internet Nazis and Russian trolls is what killed Star Wars.

But if Mandalorian is great a lot of fans will come back.

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>getting worked by a twitterpost
lol

TAKE YOU TWITTER FORMAT STUPID JOKE BACK TO TWITTER YOU FLAMING FAGGOT KIKE NIGGER

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Me too, man.

I have no choice but to stan this post

nice user
the mouse should have hired you instead
if you apply now and happen to be jewish, black, disabled, or transsexual i am sure that your application would go through though

Media historians will have a good time explaining how Star Wars was killed in less than half a decade after being bought by the biggest media conglomerate.

I fuckin hope rise of skywalker flops

based retarded monkey
go watch john wich or jumanji ya plebshit

due to personal reasons, I'm going to give you a (You)

What do you think the mouse will do if this flops? Not underperforms, but actually flops. I know there's a near 0% chance of that happening, but how would they react? Would they completely change their approach or would they stubbornly keep insisting that the world is wrong and they are right?

>he doesn't even know how to based retard someone
perhaps the website...

REDDIT DOT COM

would be more your speed.

It would be beautiful, but we shouldn't be so hopeful.

The Last Jedi basically sold me that the sequel trilogy had nothing to offer of interest.

I think the PT were trash, but at least you can argue that they ADDED to the universe.
Sequel Trilogy achieves nothing of value.

they might just ride out with the IP, stop releasing films, and try TV.

they've clearly realized that blowing their wad with all the movies was not the correct decision

Rian Johnson is getting his trilogy

0% chance of that happening

Yeah anakin was a bastard it only fair for him to take his mother surname. Kylo solo wast and he knew his father too.

it's been announced for 2022.
cope harder, manbabies

You sound like boomers talking about The Phantom Menace.

user it's already happening. Bergman who has produced all of Rian's films is getting him the money.

Disney has so little ideas they are bringing on D&D to do a second trilogy and Rian is actually helping them since they are impotent.

So Rian is gonna be involved in two trilogies but he's directing his own.

Trashing the EU wasn't the problem. Even EU lovers admit it's mostly trash. The problem was rebooting the OT with women by incompetent writers and directors and calling it a sequel to the episode VI. This was an instant kill.

Exactly it's like fucking pottery. Except TLJ is kino, prequels didn't deserve all the shit but they got better. III was the best

Yep, left the theater with the same feeling.

i highly doubt it's actually going to happen. TLJ was more divisive than the prequels, and KK has already swapped out directors mid fucking production on solo, plus firing whathisname for JJ on IX, not to metion extensive reshoots on ever nuwars film thus far. they are not going to waste the budgets of 3 feature tentpole films, probably over a billion dollars, on figuring out if rian is or is not poison for SW. he'll be lucky to get one more movie.

>You fucking manbabies wanted Luke fan service killing every mook with lightsaber flips
>OMG DID YOU SEE HOW REY JUMPED OVER THAT SHIP SO FUCKING BADASS HYYYYYYYYPE

>TLJ was more divisive than the prequels
Yeah the most artistic entries tend to be the divisive ones in the franchises

Rian can take the heat and wants and knows his movies will be hated on by half the plebshit audiences. Lucas sold the franchise because he couldn't take the heat.

Rian is going to make star wars fans suffer and bring true kino justice for George. A trilogy to smite them like the prequels only more.

Rian stands at 5'6'' so does Lucas, and they went to the same film school. He is getting this fucking trilogy.

1/10 made me reply

and what do they care if a film is "divise"
both saga films made a shitload of money and, while solo arguably flopped, disney is big enough to take a loss, change strategy, and keep going
star wars is going strong. it being "dead" is a meme by butthurt TLJ whiners and youtubers making bank on forced outrage

You didn't disprove me on any points. You'll see.

prove that you can't only speak in facetious platitudes and memes
right now it's only speculation. solo flopped, and galaxy's edge is not doing well. the future of disney wars is not looking good. they care if a film is divisive because then it won't make as much money. you've heard of focus-group testing, right? you know how much disney loves that? divisive films don't focus group well. and you aren't talking about "a film", you're talking about an entire tentpole trilogy.

>prove that you can't only speak in facetious platitudes and memes
The Last Jedi was refreshing

>Is Star Wars finally dead?
Why is 4chin so stupid, is this tvpol?

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Kill yourself

>Rey is a Skywalker
She's literally no one due to TLJ

Fuck off retard

god i want this shit to flop so hard
unfortunately it won't happen

star wars could never exist without george lucas. what has rian done besides make relatively derivative genre pictures no one will remember in 20 years and ride on george's coattails?

Based Disney forcing manchildren to grow the fuck up.

Shut up incel

You’re pretty much me, wow.

>EU
Yeah, you tell them Luuuke!

retard

It'll probably make Hobbit 3 numbers at best.

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starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Coca-Cola
you really wanna go there?

>there exist people on this board who aren't fans of Rogue One
it's the best nu-wars movie desu

>god i want this shit to flop
Why?

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luuuke is a literal joke, but you probably know that
meanwhile coca-cola is now officially nu-wars canon, along with fart weddings, lightsaber helicopters, and a bunch of other retarded shit.
why defend this? were you a fan of the old EU and think the new shit is just as good? if so wtf is wrong with your brain?

>what has rian done besides make relatively derivative genre pictures no one will remember in 20 years and ride on george's coattails?
christ you're cringe
Brick Looper and TLJ are all very nice movies

If I could turn on god mode, I'd want JK3: Jedi Academy to be ignored and a new Katarn based game to be what we're seeing from an E3 event in the absence of EA.

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>I haven't seen Brick. So forgive me please.
>I have seen Looper. It's a terrible time travel movie, although at times it had a couple highlights. By the ending, it's shit all over itself worse than the usual retard.
>TLJ fucking murdered Star Wars for me.

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Same for me.

>not 1313
nigga what
youtube.com/watch?v=J_1_Nvn7DPM

they're fine, nothing really special though. brick and looper will have no lasting impression, guaranteed. they're fine movies, they exist. you can waste some time with them. that's it. TLJ will only be remembered as a primer on how not to make tentpoles. feel free to tell me why i'm wrong.

>I have seen Looper. It's a terrible time travel movie, although at times it had a couple highlights. By the ending, it's shit all over itself worse than the usual retard.
You talk like a bitch and YOUR shits all retarded. Try watching Brick, if it's not for you just pop in Endgame.

Brick is a cult classic
and Looper is a semi scifi cult film/ well liked normie blockbuster

and? you got more than some half-assed appeal to popularity? an original opinion, maybe?

Yeah, it was a movie for kids. Most definitely. Just a completely desexualized cash grab for babies. Real abhorrent shit for all the people that claim to care about the franchise, since it stands on the shoulders of one of its most prominent characters. All so Lucas can sell more fucking toys and plastic swords. Fuck him and fuck the prequels.

We've seen it before when it was called A new hope.

They could've just taken what the KOTOR did and branched off that. The narrative is still similar and people would respect the story even if it wasn't 1 for 1 match.

I don't know why they needed to make everything difficult

Not that guy but maybe you're just an easily led-by-the-nose pleb with reddit-tier opinions.

They both showcase original and influential directing and editing styles

It's impossible for garbage movies to flop anymore thanks to china. Itll make 400 million there alone and we'll be on to the next 40 shit wars flicks

>Time travel movie.
>Ends with main character killing himself to stop the future version of himself from doing bad shit.
>Movie suggest that doing so will destroy the future evil version of self.

This is my problem. Both present and future versions of Bruce Willis simply disappear in that moment but everyone else is still aware of what happened.

I feel like even Butterfly Effect with Ashton Kutcher was a better time travel movie and everyone shits on that one in comparison.

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>Time travel movie.
>Ends with main character killing himself to stop the future version of himself from doing bad shit.
>dude butterfly effect
So you don't even into time travel or scifi really, ever even hear of La Jette aka what 12 Monkey is ripping off. Looper is stylistically using that ending in a different setting and way with an entire original movie attached to it beforehand, it's what we call a love letter to cinema.

Same as Brick same as The Last kino

>rian johnson general
gonna be a big yikes from me

try giving examples of their influence and originality. link a scene on youtube or something. i have a really hard time believing either, but i'm open. i remember both having fine direction, i can see why rian was scooped up by a studio like so many other noname indies, but "influence" feels like a far far reach. what, did they inspire a student film?
you know what's up

Finale blow will be when Kylo dies like a bitch

Fuck this bullshit.

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>garbage
You can dislike a movie, but that does not make it garbage.

dies + vague redemption

I bet you love TFA too, bugman.

Anyone that unironically defends a Star Wars movie that opens with a fucking “yo momma” joke has no right calling anyone else a pleb.

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have sex

>try giving examples of their influence and originality
I'm not going to explain in book format for writing 10 minutes of analysis for one minute of audiovisual film stock.
This is the problem of this board inherently soundless webms

Inherently Rian's true style is atypical, that's why TLJ was so divisive.
He did an entire episode about a fly in breaking bad and normies loved it
his kinos are all way better than that

Brick is just fucking nice, Looper nothing amazing but shows off a director who can just create a pretty good drama with some unexpected things and some emotional moments

Alec shouldn't you be dead?

Anyone who unironically posts on here with a fucking marvel gif has no business calling anyone a pleb you stupid zoomershitpleb
Never talk to me about cinema again
You've been filtered.

I saw TFA when it was released. I thought to myself "hey, it can't be worse than the prequels". I was right, it was certainly better than the prequels, but I still left the theater thinking "man, I don't think I had that much fun watching that, not like when I was a kid."
It was then I realized, Star Wars is, and has always been, just a fun little thing I really loved as a kid, and neither Star Wars, nor my own self, would ever be the same again. Star Wars is dead and has been for a while. But it's ok, because there are better things to look forward to. Nostalgia is overrated and I'm frankly sick of reboots, remakes, and sequels of old shit in general.

i asked for a youtube clip, not a webm.
so rian is atypical (with zero comparison to any other directors, contemporary or not, let alone all the other questions this raises), brick is "fucking nice", looper isn't amazing but has some good parts... have you ever checked out any serious film criticism? you realize how childlike that assessment is? why are you defending him so hard again?

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>i asked for a youtube clip,
And i said fuck your jewtube zoomer shit for every film discussion

well, he is a bitch, so what's the problem?

nah, you didn't.
>This is the problem of this board inherently soundless webms
it's fine if you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about champ, i'm not gonna decry you.

100% this. Thank you, Rian

Star Wars was always shit you fucking nerd.

If EP9 fails Rian for sure isn't getting his trilogy. It will be clear to anyone at that point that his failure with 8 has done near irreparable damage to the brand.

>implying
Attack of the Clones and Empire Strikes Back all grossed the least in their trilogy. That's how star wars is. The first and third are the pleb friendly flicks and the middle entry is harder to digest.

The first episode has always grossed the most: Star Wars, The Phantom Menace

The last has always grossed the second most: Revenge of the Sith, Return of the Jedi

This the rise of skywalker will do between the amount of money TLJ and TFA did

>This the rise of skywalker will do between the amount of money TLJ and TFA did

Which goes completely against the "logic" you expressed earlier? It should do better than TFA and TLJ.

Star Wars isn't worth nearly as much as it was post TFA, that will be very clear after 9.

>Which goes completely against the "logic" you expressed earlier? It should do better than TFA and TLJ.
No third entry in a star wars trilogy has ever outgrossed the original: ie Star Wars, The Phantom Menace

Rise wont outgross Force Awakens, but will out gross The Last Jedi

The key here is that Empire Strikes Back even though it was the trilogies least grossing entry was the number 1 film in it's year. Do you know what was the next middle entry to do so? The Last Jedi, it will be the least grossing after Rise of Skywalker surpasses it but it still was the number 1 film in it's year of release.

> I need to see
Just don't see it in cinema
nor
buy it on streaming
nor
DVD
nor
Bluray
nor
buy any merch

and you're good in my book

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>TLJ was more divisive than the prequels
No shit. Virtually everyone agrees the prequels were terrible. There's no division there at all.

The argument of "movie made x much in box office" doesn't really matter.
We all know that a bunch of shite movies have made gangbusters in the box office despite being absolute rubbish.

We're not even saying "critically successful" because we all know that movie critics of today are mostly pathetic and generally bought out. Or that they desire political relevance over any other criteria.

Personally, I think TLJ was a 4/10 and that Star Wars ep 9 can not possibly be better than a 6/10 on a scale against every movie that has ever existed.

Where do YOU think that the Star Wars movies on their own rate at?
Against themselves. NOT against all movies of all time.

So your most favourite Star Wars movie should be a 8/8. Not including Solo or Rouge One.

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Rian is Kathleens little doughboy pet. Her pick, her visionary, her felcher. She won't let him go even when all reality is screaming at her that he's the wrong choice. She will 100% flush a 4 billion dollar franchise down the toilet rather than put aside her ego and admit she made a mistake, that he's a visionless hack, and that the fans were right.

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Rian is a fucking artist

you know when it was that star wars "died" for me? when they brought out the ewoks...

at that point I thought this has become a joke, as if it wasn't when they blew up a planet on a whim and also rebuilt the planet blower again because why not

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grow up manchild. anyone who buys merch over the age of 10 needs to seriously look at themselves in the mirror

I'll assume you're not actually old enough to have watched ROTJ at cinemas when it came out.

I was only about 9 when TPM came out. I loved it at the time.I painted PVC pipes to get the Darth Maul experience with my mates.

But I don't have the nostalgia value of it that I do for The Fifth Element or the OT that I would watch on VHS all the time. So I'm biased.

I think the PT are all horrible. They do some decent universe building, but I can't bear to watch the films from beginning to end.

TFA is "easier" to watch than the PT.

But TLJ is a spectacular piece of shit that has amazed me in how bad and insulting a sequel film can possibly be.
I would love to hear an argument about that piece of shit on the positive side. I've had enough to drink that I'm open to a bullshit internet argument.

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I can't get the time spent reading your post back.

You're on Yea Forums. How can you ever get that time back when you're not just wanking off?

I agree. Ordinary man can't kill franchise in one movie. TLJ is terrible movie. And skipped whole space casino part.

TLJ is incredibly bad.
I have no supporting argument.
It's been at least a year since I've seen it and I'm still butthurt about it.

>I have never felt so fucked about any other shit movie since Indiana Jones and Crystal Bullshit Skull Cave.

>I was only about 9 when TPM came out. I loved it at the time

I was 15 when it came out and hated it. My younger brother hated it. Almost all of my friends hated it.

Yes, most people loved Maul's design and the lightsaber battle but most people could still see that 3/4 of the movie was trash.

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Given that in that eventuality there’s be no more brand value to protect, they’d have no issue with public executions and trying again, or flat out burying the IP and obliterating LucasFilm

>I know there's a near 0% chance of that happening

People were saying the same about SOLO and Galaxy's Edge.

Only thing that could save IX is Mandalorian being really good and bringing some of the core fanbase back.

Well I think that was the whole intention from Disney

>most people could still see that 3/4 of the movie was trash.
Fair enough, man. Like I said...I loved it at the time. It wasn't for a couple more years that I realised that the PT had fuck all replayability in comparison to the OT that I had spent the last few years watching.

I didn't have the forums or anything. And I came from a small country town and a highschool of literally 200 people from grade 8 through to 12. I was the autistic wanker who had opinions on movies more than anyone else, seemingly.

I'm 29 now. I couldn't even make myself and my fiancee watch the PT before TFA came out. I fell asleep during TPM within 40 minutes.

They're really bad. At least we both agree that the OT are mostly good. Otherwise, christ I'd break up quickly. I'm forced already too much to watch fucking Disney princess movies almost every night to let her go to sleep. She's fucking 24. FML. But thank christ she doesn't like TLJ.

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>and TLJ fucking broke me
Rian is miles above TFA

Their literal sole audience that likes it for what it is, as opposed to being bribed or pretending to for political social media, is the shipping retards.
That move will trigger them like no other.

True. But it have best SW vilian and cool fight in the end. So it get pass. But it is realy bad movie.

No. It was worse.
If you have ever in your life enjoyed Star Wars, I think you'll enjoy TLJ less than TFA.

TFA sets a low bar, of course. But that's besides the point.

Why? TFA destroyed Star Wars for ever meanwhile TLJ just destroyed Nu Wars, any Star Wars fan will prefer TLJ over TFA every day

Correct
Pleb

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Can you say "BLACKED"?

Solo was a spinoff that no one asked for and people were still burned out after TLJ. And if anyone expected Galaxy's Edge to succeed they were delusional. But Disney made a very smart decision in leaving a gap year between TLJ and IX. A lot of normies will have cooled off and manchildren can praise JJ as the saviour of the franchise again. As much as I wish it would there's almost no chance of it flopping. It will almost certanly underperform but it won't be a financial failure.

You know what? That isn't a horrible argument.
TFA did indeed forever fuck Star Wars by setting the new status quo.

Still though....
TLJ was a slap in the face of everyone, was it not? It single-handedly fucked absolutely everything about Star Wars. Gaping holes and all.

What book is this?

Not bad, user.

TFA was too bland to kill anything. It was just an anemic retread that didn’t commit to anything, focused solely on “at least we aren’t the prequels” for marketing and could be discarded easily.
A sequel that just ignored the implicit reset button and dialled back MaRey Sue could have rerailed the train. I doubt it would have been good, but with the hype train TFA built up it wouldn’t need to be.

SUNSET FOUND HER SQUATTING IN THE GRASS GROANING

This, structurally and thematically speaking (so basically in terms of cinematography) TLJ was dope af

It's a "deconstruction" of the franchise. It was their plan all along. They hate happy people.
Look at what JJ did to Han and Leia (one of the most iconic couples in pop culture), he didn't want them to be together. Then in TLJ we learned that Leia and Holdo were a thing. Han has gone from being a badass hero to the guy who got cucked to death.

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Learn to greentext, faggot.

Fuck you, I'm drunk and am in the mood to argue.

Love you, babe.

I hope cinemas tell Disney to fuck off when they demand 80% of the takings and all screens for 4 weeks.

>It's a "deconstruction" of the franchise.
Kotor 2 was a far better deconstruction of the franchise than this.

They won't because Disney will threaten to take away everything else they have. Remember they're not just bargaining with SW, they can threaten to take away Marvel and Pixar movies as well.

Yeah but Disney just wants to destroy it, not to do a fresh take on the SW franchise.

>TFA was too bland to kill anything
what are you talking? it basically make the OT pointless and killed all his characters to make them parodies from Big Bang Theory, TFA killed Star Wars, it killed the entire setting, it made the OT pointless and yet you retards still claim to say that it didn't, then Rian come and just did exactly the same thing J.J did but having some fun with it

I wasn't even an SW fan and went to TLJ because I wanted to give it a chance. Instantly knew how bad it's going to be during the 'general hugs' scene.

This 100%

>in TLJ we learned that Leia and Holdo were a thing
The actual fuck are you on about? Nowhere in the script or the direction was this even suggested. You're talking out your ass.

youtube.com/watch?v=EneC23krrrM

I hate the new Star Wars movies. But at no point was Leia and Holdo ever implied to be a thing.

Holdo remembered some dumb as fuck anecdote that Leia once said about Hope being like the sun or some shit. That's all.

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SnEeD

My love died with TFA. I don't understand how people kept going after it

The only thing it confirmed dead was Han and Leia’s relationship, which I’ll admit was shit.
Nothing else was really undone, because JJ was too much of a fucking hack to do anything but throw out mystery boxes. Luke left, but we don’t really know why or why he stayed away.
We know nothing of the first order or snoke, so he’s no real successor to the empire’s status pre RoTJ, and absolutely nothing about how impactful the who cares system’s destruction was, because the movie doesn’t tell us outside of people say it’s bad, to which the natural response is “no shit, but why?”.

I prefer loot boxes from Overwatch, thank you.

And Luke being a coward? the New Republic? Han character regression? nothing in TFA makes any sense

>animefag

Kino af

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>muh deconstruction
L2 Campbell sweeties

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>coward
Again, we know literally nothing except the implication it was space columbine guy who spurred it
>the new republic
What about it? The destruction of five planets in a galaxy of thousands means absolutely jack shit without context
>han’s regression
This one is shit and I’ll freely admit it

>Not the prequels
>Not the holiday special
>Not TFA

Slowpoke

I can't tell you how many billions of times better a movie Endgame is than Looper; The Spy Next Door is a thousand times the movie Looper is