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Uncle, what did I tell you?

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why is the tumblr got fanbase so fucking weird?

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his pitch was garbage

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>Tyrion
Let's appeal to Cersei's humanity.
>also Tyrion
Kill your aunt, bro. It's the only way.

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Better than Bran's

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>Swore to protect "the stark children"

>Sansa is a Bolton whore
>Arya doesnt have a name and is no-one
>Bran isnt Bran but the Three Eyed Raven

Brienne got out of that Oath without having to do jack shit
She also is a 0.5/10 and scores a 10/10 chad
How does she do it?

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She also got the most honorable job a knight could ever have like a month after becoming one

sorry not everyone can have a good story george you fat hack

A daring homage.

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It's so funny how they latch on to Dansa, one of the most boring characters there is.

maario naharis

Is Bran's great story just supposed to be common knowledge by that point?

How would someone like Unnamed Martell even know what Tyrion was rambling about?

this

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Why is it always Sansa?

Even the people who do know that Bran is a tree wizard, shouldn't want him as king.

It's funny how the show wants Jon to know that he is the rightful heir, but drops the plot entirely once Dany dies.

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Because Sansa is the female self insert

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But just for sex stuff right? Like I bet when it comes down to it; most normie women probably think that if circumstances were different they could be beautiful and just like Dany or “badass” like Arya

>tries to get Jon killed by lying about the Knights of the Vale
>tries to get Jon killed by starting a second Dance With Dragons
>deserves to be queen

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It’s bizarre, we don’t even get a “Jon can’t be King because he murdered Dany” or Jon himself refusing the crown because he killed her. It’s just totally dropped.

revenge bad
unless stark do revenge
backstabbing bad
unless stark do backstabbing
feudalism bad
unless stark do feudalism
iron throne bad
unless stark do iron throne
balkanisation bad
unless stark do balkanisation
foreign ruler bad
unless stark is foreign ruler

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When Sansa marries, she’ll lose her power to her husband right? That’s why Lysa had so many suitors.

And if she doesn't marry, she won’t have an heir.

It’s so fucking retarded. I guess the Northern throne would pass to any children Arya might have?

Yes, Gendry is pregnant with Arya's son so the Norf will end up becoming Stormlands vassals

King Gendry would unironically be better.
If Bran were King in the North; Sansa could have married anyone she wanted and produced a Stark for the throne who would take over when Bran died.
Since Bran would rule it wouldn’t matter who she chose since they wouldn’t have to worry about him being the real power in the North.
Also since Sansa has been passed around like a brood sow; the twitter crowd would have loved the implication that she’d finally get to choose her own husband.

>crucifying slavers bad
>chopping up a man's children, baking them and feeding them to him good

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Think of the children they could have had

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Don't. It will only make it worse.

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well he already murdered the unborn one in her

they'd barely break 5 feet tall

>tfw drogon let jon live so she could have the honor of killing him herself

>Jon and Dany marry
>Dany gets pregnant with Jon's child
>She dies in childbirth

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>implying she will kill Jon
>implying she won't forgive him

This actually might happen since like all fiction writers, George thinks the pre-1950 mortality rate for mothers in childbirth was like 67%

>Jon, you accidentally stabbed me
>don't worry, a red priestess brought me back
>you didn't kill your queen and kin on purpose, did you?

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Never forget that Arya butchered and cooked people.

>don't you dare do that shit again, Jon.

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Lord Janny...giving me a 3-day ban for posting /ecg/? We had a good thing going here: we would come home from our jobs, get on Yea Forums and post Emilia with our friends. You'll never have a job or friends. You'll always do it for free.

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What did you guys think of Preston's first part of his Season 8 fix? What do you think he'll have Yara do in Volantis with Theon?

He wasn't consciously giving bad advice, his residual love for Cersei and Jaime affected him on a subconscious level

>Bran rules the Six Kingdoms
>Sansa rules the North
>Jon Lord Commander of the Night's Watch
>Arya going to go conquer Wherever the fuck
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>Bran rules the Six Kingdoms
>Sansa rules the North
>Arya going to go conquer Wherever the fuck
>Jon forced to fuck off out of Westeros
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Cat was such a bitch, Robb too, laughed my ass off when both of them got got

I liked it, especially the shade of the evening bit.

Was there a worse decision made, plotwise?

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>SmilingEddard.jpg
>implying Ned would like to see Jon becoming a queenslayer AND a kinslayer
>implying Ned would like to see Sansa becoming a dense retarded Cersei 2.0
>implying Ned would like to see Arya becoming a psychopath killer
>implying Ned would like to see Bran becoming a rape addicted tree god

Both Stark kingdoms will result in a huge succession crisis. Along with their dipshit brother who got himself killed for a girl with a big ass; they’re gonna go down in history with one of those monikers they attach to the shitty Targaryen’s like “___ the Unworthy”

>>Jon forced to fuck off out of Westeros
Implying it's not a (((Sansa))) plot and an excuse for Jon to scout out settlements for the North's eventual annexation of the lands beyond the wall

Robb tried his hardest to be a good boy. He was just a bit thick and had dumb advisors.

When did Bran rape?

For nude scenes that featured no-name actors did they have to do their audition naked to ensure that they actually looked good?

Why wasn't Cersei based off Olga?
>After King Igor’s death at the hands of the Drevlians, Queen Olga assumed the throne because her three-year-old son Svyatoslav was too young to rule. The Drevlians, emboldened by their success in ambushing and killing the king, sent a messenger to Olga proposing that she marry his murderer, Prince Mal.
>When the Drevlians returned the next day, they waited outside Olga’s court to receive the honor she had promised. The people brought them into the court where they were dropped into the trench Olga had ordered dug the day before and buried alive. It is written that Olga bent down to watch them as they were buried and “inquired whether they found the honor to their taste.”
>Olga then sent a message to the Drevlians that they should send “their distinguished men to her in Kiev, so that she might go to their Prince with due honor.” The Drevlians, unaware of the fate of the first diplomatic party, gathered another party of men to send “the best men who governed the land of Dereva.” When they arrived, Olga commanded her people to draw them a bath and invited the men to appear before her after they had bathed. When the Drevlians entered the bathhouse, Olga had it set on fire from the doors, so that all the Drevlians within burned to death.
>Olga sent another message to the Drevlians, this time ordering them to “prepare great quantities of mead in the city where you killed my husband, that I may weep over his grave and hold a funeral feast for him.” When Olga and a small group of attendants arrived at Igor’s tomb, she did indeed weep and hold a funeral feast. The Drevlians sat down to join them and began to drink heavily. When the Drevlians were drunk, she ordered her followers to kill them, “and went about herself egging on her retinue to the massacre of the Drevlians.” According to the Primary Chronicle, five thousand Drevlians were killed on this night, but Olga returned to Kiev to prepare an army to finish off the survivors.

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So long gay jannies

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It was very heavily implied in the books that Bran warged into Hodor and violently raped Meera.

Breaking his promise to Frey was like the least goodboy thing he could have done, he needlessly endangered his cause and all his men just because he wanted foreign pussy (not to mention everybody told him what a terrible idea it was). Something Ned never would have done. Also his self righteousness in executing Karstark was absurd too, especially in the context of a war that was costing countless lives. All his men went to their graves wishing that they'd never followed him.

YUNKAI WHORE was a great casting

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Ned would be rolling in his grave if he saw what Jon became.

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In the books he married Jeyne Westerling because he was tricked into sleeping with her and refused to have a bastard after seeing how Cat treated Jon. And Karstark was killed because honor demanded it. He wasn't bad, he was just dumb enough to make Ned look like Littlefinger.

>cat was really the reason everything went to shit
FUCK T*LLYS

It’s done better in the books. But in the show he just wanted to score some big ass

>j-jon, I dreamt that you killed me

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WEAK MEN WILL NEVER RULE DORNE AGAIN

Cat also
>traded all of House Stark marriage capital to a minor lord so they could fight a strategically meaningless battle
>bullied Edmure for treating the smallfolk like people
>showed no remorse for driving LF insane
>made no attempt at rallying the men of the Vale because Lysa is a meanie
>plotted to give the kingdom to the Vale rather than a man of the North because Ned fucking Stark wasn't a good enough husband to her
>sent Brienne to her inevitable death to find a girl who everybody thinks is dead
>thought "muh bread" was going to save her and Robb despite the fact that they were oathbreakers and were losing the war
Cat is even dumber than Cersei

I like how the new prince of Dorne at the end of the series is completely nameless and a literal who. It's so disrespectful to the source material.

Why didn’t you help her bros

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I'm not into it, try as Preston might, nothing will convince me of that shit ending. Fuck Bran, fuck elective monarchy, fuck none of the other kingdoms breaking off

>Robb sacrificed 2000 men to capture Jaime lannister
>Cat frees Jaime lannister

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Thats why for me, it's Ashara

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I'm confused. Preston was not happy about the ending, he's just a rewrite of the season with the same ending. Bran could've actually shown how he can use his powers to lead for one thing. The limited splitting of the kingdoms was dumb though

What's the Watch gonna do when the Wall melts and collapses? Seasons are becoming normal and shirter, area around the Wall and beyond should return to how we saw them in the flashback of the Children making the Night King

>Bran could've actually shown how he can use his powers to lead for one thing.
There are too many problems with that i've gone over in previous threads to believe Bran being king can ever make sense on any level

The Night's Watch will slowly but surely transform into the Westrosi secret police.

>Jon
>Daenerys
>fAegon
>Edric Storm
>Gendry
>random Baratheon bastards
>Stannis
>Shireen
All have better claim to the throne than Bran. What the fuck is George thinking?

Down with monarchy and hereditary succession, except for the Starks and the North, or any of the other Houses who'll continue with hereditary succession and used to be kings before dragons came, also ignire that they might as well be kings now because the actual crown us weak and beholden to them.

So except for those, fuck monarchy and hereditary succession

What about Jon and dany ruling with bran as Hand like bloodraven was and then they leave the kingdoms to him

Stacy can be a real bitch when you kill her chosen Chad

That's based, cersei's just dumb

>He thinks all of these characters will be alive by the end

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ASOIAF has always been more about subverting expectations about common fantasy tropes than about the tax policy meme

>le george kill all characters reddit meme

As in they physically leave, or they stay but Bran is really the one making all the decisions?

If Jon and Dany leave, unless they come back every year or so to reinforce that they're alive and that Bran has their backing, Bran is getting assassinated.

If Bran makes all the decisions it might work but I don't see people and lords not finding out and conspiring, or Jon and Dany not having their own opinions on what to do instead of deferring to Bran

Jon will be alive, and he has far more claim to the throne than Bran does.

Reminder that if people had just supported Aerion's son Maegor's right to the throne, which indeed was his BY RIGHT, none of this shit would've happened and there could've been several branches of Targaryens alive right now

>fAegon survives to the end
>Stannis survives to the end
>Shireen survives to the end
Yeah no.

>Jon survives to the end
>invalidates King Bran ending
>Baratheon bastards also exist

They might have their own goals that they want to achieve like empowering the smallfolk, stronger central monarchy, aiding the north and the wildlings, while bran handles most of the work and advises them, then once things are stable they can leave, dany can bring the dothraki and freedman and unsullied back to essos, that ties up that loose end. Bran would have proved himself by then and his omniscient powers can put a stop to any conspiracies before they start

Nobility>bastards
Bran has more claim.

>jon
>bastard

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>Book Jon
>Not a bastard

A Targaryen bastard has more claim than a legitimate Stark. Using your own retarded logic, every highborn lord or lady in the Seven Kingdoms has just as much claim to the throne as Bran.

I mean, yeah. Nobles>Bastards, that's just feudalism 101.

>”King,” croaked the raven. The bird flapped across the solar to land on Mormont’s shoulder. “King,” it said again, strutting back and forth.

>“He likes that word,” Jon said, smiling.

>“An easy word to say. An easy word to like.”

>“King,” the bird said again.“

>“He rose and dressed in darkness, as Mormont’s raven muttered across the room. “Corn,” the bird said, and, “King,” and, “Snow, Jon Snow, Jon Snow.” That was queer. The bird had never said his full name before, as best Jon could recall.“

where's the tumblr briennefag today?

dilating

Targaryens United the Seven Kingdoms. Jon is a Targaryen. Bran is not a Targaryen. There is no reason to elect a non-Targaryen as King while an actual Targaryen exists.

Jon is not a Targaryen, he is a snow.

That would take years and years to implement and solidify, especially an absolute monarchy and smallfolk rights, and problems would arise if Dany has kids and what the Dothraki would do now in Essos if Dany sets them free and whether they wouldn't do better to be integrated to become a standing army.

Proving oneself doesn't mean much to schemers. Cersei had conspired for years despite relative peace in the kingdoms under Bobby, and Renly was already scheming and ready to rebel.

And Bran isn't really omniscient, he has to know what, where, who and when to look for. And anything quickly planned instead of ridiculously elaborate can kill him, say a riot by peasants or some catspaw hired that day, or conspiracy of only a few people. People can also denounce him as soon as there's no dragon backing him up because he's a warg and from the wrong god. Some peasant like the one who started the storming if the dragonpit could fuck his shit up

His name is Aegon Targaryen

You do realise i'm talking about book Jon, right?

>he still believes Jon won't be a targ in the books
Only change is that he's gonna be called Jaehaerys

>Jon is not a Targaryen
Yes he is, moron. And he has more claim to the throne than Bran, who has ZERO claim.

How do targs have any claim when they lost the throne via conquest? No matter how many times Dany screams usurper it doesn't change the fact that they lost the throne in a war. This isn't Incest babies taking the throne when they aren't related Robert, this was an official change of ownership.

>Dany
>Beautiful
Pick one and just one unless for some inane reason you're talking books. Even Brienne is more bangable than Dany's actress.

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>How do targs have any claim when they lost the throne via conquest?
Because Robert justified taking the throne due to his TARGARYEN ancestry.

>Yes he is, moron
No, he's a bastard. Read a fucking book about medieval society, jesus. Or even better, read the ASOIAF novels where it states that bastards can't inherit shit unless legitimized.

Source: your headcanon.

>No, he's a bastard.
No, he isn't. And that is immaterial, because Jon has more claim to the throne than Bran, regardless of whether he is legitimate or not.

>Jon, Dany, AND Tyrion all lost their mothers in childbirth

Come on GRRM

You actually have a increased chance of dating her, since you're a fucking faggot

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Didn't george say Bran would be 17 by the end? That'd be the perfect place for a timeskip, it's not really the same as Aragorn being a good king and ruling wisely since jon and dany have actually established leadership arcs even though they obviously fuck up a lot, and if bran has more chapters where you see his powers too it would work. The essosi army has to be tied off somehow, some way that doesn't involve Dany dying while they're still around, maybe they mostly all die in the long night or something, or they form their own city and integrate. Yeah schemers will exist but like they said about bloodraven "How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have? A thousand eyes, and one". If George is going for a bittersweet ending, there'll probably be a lot of social change at the end and wargs and northern gods will be more accepted after the long night

Why would i want to date hobbit with brain damage tho?
Yikes

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>bastids
>any claim

>saying people are brain damage
>is a briefag

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I do want it

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He is a bastard. He has no claim. Stop being stupid, user.

Cat's mom also died in childbirth

Jon is not a bastard

Yes he is.

No, he isn’t

Yes he is.

He has more claim than Bran, who has zero claim

Jon is a Targaryen. Bran has no Targaryen blood. It doesn't matter that Bran is legitimate. There is no reason at all for Dorne, the Westerlands, the Stormlands, the Iron Islands, etc., to vote him as king. NONE.

Ok then, where is your source to back this claim up? In all of the books, i have never read anything about Jon being legitimized as a targ.
>Jon is a Targaryen
Nope, he is a snow.

No, he isn’t

Does Jon have Targaryen blood? Yes or no?

She actually got it years before even becoming a knight when she was in renly's kingsguard

The Martells also have targ blood, does this make them targs themselves?
Retard logic, user.

>Didn't george say Bran would be 17 by the end
There will be no timeskip, i've gone over this and cited it. Look up "if a twelve-year-old has to conquer the world, so be it".

A complete societal change accepting wargs and foreign gods? No. Not even Wildlings like or trust wargs and they have more of them and have had thousands of years to get used to them and worship old gods already

Bloodraven had eyes and the backing of the crown and their legitimacy, he wasn't king by himself, nor a foreigner in the eyes of the South or a random element worshipping other gods. And George would be aneven worse writer than I thought if all the people Dany bring over just so happen to die or die in such a number that they don't matter anymore

You can infer that his release by Gray Worm is contingent on him not becoming king, and Jon's honortism is way too strong for him to break that even if others wanted him to

>You can infer that his release by Gray Worm is contingent on him not becoming king
Stop trying to defend Dabid's shit writing
>Jon's honortism is way too strong for him to break that even if others wanted him to
>abandons Night's Watch anyways

>The Martells also have targ blood, does this make them targs themselves?
1.) You didn't answer the question, faggot.
2 ) Jon is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen. Stop downplaying his blood relation.
3.) None of that matters, because Bran still has ZERO reason to be King. He is nowhere in the line of succession. A bastard Targaryen has more claim to the throne than Bran, who has zero claim.

We can keep doing this over and over again, but you still have no argument. Targaryens united the realm. Jon is a Targaryen, legitimate or not. He has more of a claim to the throne than Bran. PERIOD.

>Jon's honortism is way too strong for him to break
> kills the Queen he was sworn to and the woman he loved
He should be dead, no reason for grey worm to trust him, his word or the word of the people in charge of all the lands South or North if the Wall to enforce anything

It never shows him abandoning the Night's Watch either. It's assumed that they and the wildlings coexist now. You're just going out of your way to miss obvious things

>It never shows him abandoning the Night's Watch
>the only crow between the wildlings going into the forest

>"if a twelve-year-old has to conquer the world, so be it".
Yeah that's retarded then if he refuses to do that

George has autism and doesn't care. Arya will be a child assassin of great skill, Drogon and his brothers will be able to raze cities, Sansa a Littlefinger level genius, and Bran a greenseer on par or excelling bloodraven, all at the age they are now or a year or so

That part didn't really make sense. I think we're meant to assume that Jon wasn't killed because that would start another war, which Gray Worm wanted to avoid, but I don't really see why

what could have been...

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If the series had a happy ending wouldn't get half the shit it's suffering right now

How can it be a kingsguard when there was no king there?

Why did he make them all such young kids in the first place? I know originally he meant for the trilogy to span more time and wasn't able to pull it off with everything he added, but the ages he picked are really unnecessarily young and serve to make everything creepy

In george's defense the king's landing burning thing is almost certainly gonna be the wildfire

The series had a "happy" ending. Too bad that ending was retarded.

>but I don't really see why
Plot armor and bad writing via working their way backwards from what they needed to have happen

He's a pedophile, it's obvious

I'm sad about the loss of fap material

Drogon is mirin'

Of all happy endings possible, they picked the worst one.

Bastards don't get anything.
Nobility>Bastards.

How mentally retarded do you have to be to not get this?

>same shitty ending we got but she's pregnant and hormonal
>jorah goes with jon beyond the wall after he murders her

>are really unnecessarily young and serve to make everything creepy
Partly his fetish, see Dany's sex scenes and people commenting on Sansa's beauty and tits, and partly wanting a coming of age where if they're too old and established he can't take them where he wants them to go

They're still ridiculously small, expected to Fire and Blood the Free Cities too and to be a threat on the level of millennia old ice demons who've been plotting since before Dany was born

>I mislike it
>near enough as makes no matter
>like as not
>after a fashion
how come they don't talk like this in the show?

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But it had a happy ending??
Not sure what you're on about all the irredeemably evil retarded ugly characters etc except for maybe Arya died righteously and my boy Jon got to fuck off and be king in the true north and bang wildling chicks until he died of old age.

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>How mentally retarded do you have to be to not get this?
How mentally retarded do you have to be to realize that Bran is nowhere in the line of succession. A bastard Targaryen has more claim than a legitimate Stark.

You want to keep doing this? I can keep replying, too. We can talk in circles over and over again if you want to.

Happy ending for me would be Jon killing Night King in a 1v1

Dabid knew it would get memed

>A bastard Targaryen has more claim than a legitimate Stark
Objectively wrong. They are NEVER crowning a bastard, user. They would have to legitimize him first. How do you not get this, you dumbass? Bran>Jon, as long as Jon is not legitimized. And who the fuck would ever legitimize Jon as a targ?

You can give me (You)'s all you want, that doesn't make you any less wrong, you SEETHING Jon fag.

>They are NEVER crowning a bastard, user.
Why would they crown a Stark, you fucking idot? You said it yourself that Martells had more Targaryen blood than most. Please, justify a Stark king ending.

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Jon was better off dying in episode 3, but he kills the NK. Or hell, instead of Missandei, Cersei executes Jon like a callback to Ned which then Dany burns the entire place down. I dunno, if you want her to die, she can be injured and walking to the throne room and dies there. Nobody bought into Jon’s side of that romance because Kit sucks the script is garbage, so it undermined the entire Valonqar’esque scene in the throne room between two lovers.

>Why would they crown a Stark, you fucking idot?
No fucking idea. Can't really see how a king Bran ending makes any sense, but maybe the fat man will make it convincing.
>You said it yourself that Martells had more Targaryen blood than most
Yep. And Doran wants his children on the throne, too. They are def contesting Bran's rule, or atleast declaring independence.
>Please, justify a Stark king ending
Why? All i said was that Bran has more claim to rule by virtue of being a trueborn noble, and not a bastard. Not saying his claim is good, just better than Jon's according to the laws of medieval society.

>Nobody bought into Jon’s side of that romance because Kit sucks the script is garbage
In all fairness, Kit never even got a chance to act in his scenes with Dany. He has no dialogue.
>All i said was that Bran has more claim to rule by virtue of being a trueborn noble,
No he doesn't, retard. Trueborn Starks did not unite the realm. Jon has more claim than Bran, dummy.

>No he doesn't, retard. Trueborn Starks did not unite the realm. Jon has more claim than Bran, dummy.
Bastards have no rights to anything.
>Trueborn Starks did not unite the realm
Yeah, and neither did a snow.

>Bastards have no rights to anything.
They have more right than a random lord.
>Yeah, and neither did a snow.
Jon is a Targaryen, legitimate or not. We can keep doing this if you want to, but Jon has more claim to the throne than Bran, who has zero claim.

Post the same shit again and you will get the same response. Let's go to bump limit.

>Jon, let's get married. I would've asked you earlier but the script wouldn't allow me

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>autism

Shh calm your saggy tits Emilio Clark, it's just a tv show get over it.

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>117764630
>They have more right than a random lord.
No. In what world do bastards have more rights than a noble?
>Jon is a Targaryen
Nope. His name is Jon SNOW, you autist.

I think it was a pretty happy ending for everyone but Dany. They try to play it like she’s the mad queen who had some kind of MacBeth-type arc where she loses sight of morality and is always convinced the ends justify her crazy means. But instead everybody just feels bad for her.
Emiliachadding aside, seeing her little 5’2” body going limp in Jons arms doesn’t really give you the vibe something good just happened.

The only character who might’ve had an unhappy ending was Jon. Personally I never empathized with his decision to be a celibate slave on the wall, or to live in the frozen dump beyond the wall, but just because I wouldn’t do it doesn’t mean Jon didn’t want it.

Same thing with Jaime. He and Cersei wanted to be together even if it meant death. It’s bad characterization and shitty writing, but it’s what their Jaime wanted. They didn’t “fuck jaime” they just threw away his character progression.
Even Arya, who by rights should be portrayed as an emotionally disturbed, violent psycho ended up happy. She’s standing there grinning like a fool sailing away. Terrible characterizing, but not unhappy.

He has Targaryen blood. You are being retarded.

Let's go to bump limit. It's obvious that you want to go down with your shitty opinion.

>seeing her little 5’2” body going limp in Jons arms doesn’t really give you the vibe something good just happened.
Bittersweet ending
Fuck D&D and fuck GURM

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>He has Targaryen blood
And? So does Aurane, so does Edric, so does Mya fucking Stone. Irrelevant, since they are all bastards.
>shitty opinion
It's a fact in ASOIAF lore that lords have more rights than bastards, you are the seething Jon fag who just can't accept that.

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>Emiliachadding aside
Sorry but stopped reading right there, you guys have LEGIT mental issues and it's pointless to interact with you.

>And? So does Aurane, so does Edric, so does Mya fucking Stone. Irrelevant, since they are all bastards.
They all have more claim to the throne than Bran, who has none. Thankyou for supporting my opinion.
>It's a fact in ASOIAF lore that lords have more rights than bastards, you are the seething Jon fag who just can't accept that.
Bran has literally zero Targaryen blood and there is zero reason why Lords should take up arms in support of him over Jon.

I have nothing to do today. We can keep having this circular argument if you want.

Okay

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>you guys have LEGIT mental issues
>he write this while being on Yea Forums

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>there is zero reason why Lords should take up arms in support of him over Jon
Did you forget the part where Bran is the rightful lord of Winterfell, and has family ties to the Riverlands and the Vale? Another dumb point by a dumb Jon fag.
>Thank you for supporting my opinion
How? How did i "support" your argument? By mentioning a few names? Notice how NONE of those people were ever seriously considered for the iron throne in the books.

>I will spend my entire day autistically screeching to some random online why bastards totally have more rights than nobles in medieval society
Now that is some strong autism, user. Well atleast you have dedication. Too bad you are wrong.

I feel like the bastard thing won’t matter in the end because as a society they’re not consistent all in the upholding of these norms and taboos and shit.
Oathbreaking, Kinslaying, Kingslaying, violating guestright are all supposed to be odious crimes and the nobility does it all on a whim.
Nobody is consistently loyal to the crown, most the lords aren’t consistently loyal to their leigelord. Fucking Kingslayer struts around as Commander of the Kingsguard, literally anything Jon does will require him to break his oath to the Watch. Renly flaunts his violation of the laws of succession and people cheer him for it.
It’s crazy to think anyone in book or show would quibble with Jon being a bastard if the powerful lords want him on the throne. If nothing else they could just convene a counsel and legitimize him the way the crown could.

>he thinks that if he doesn't quote he wins the argument
cringe

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>Oathbreaking, Kinslaying, Kingslaying, violating guestright are all supposed to be odious crimes and the nobility does it all on a whim.
People are still SEETHING over the red wedding, which was a breach of guest right. People still mention how the Freys breaking guest right was going too far.
But in the end, it is might that makes right, not law and tradition.
Nice input, nigger.

>Did you forget the part where Bran is the rightful lord of Winterfell
Irrelevant.
>and has family ties to the Riverlands and the Vale? Another dumb point by a dumb Jon fag.
And Jon has ties to the Seven Kingdoms through the virtue of being the son of Rhaegar Targaryen. Dumb Branfag thinks he will be elected King just because.
>Notice how NONE of those people were ever seriously considered for the iron throne in the books.
It doesn't matter, retard. George's ending doesn't make sense. You are bringing up people who have a better claim to the throne as an argument for why the Bran the Broken ending will happen. You invalidate your own argument.
>Now that is some strong autism, user. Well atleast you have dedication. Too bad you are wrong.
At least I didn't stop quoting because I didn't want to be proven wrong, coward.

He learned how to quote again.

Coward faggot!

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Here's my input to you, nigger. Jon is legit and Bran being king is fucking retarded. You can go back sucking George's fat small old cock now, funny whore

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>Irrelevant.
You said that no one would follow Bran, i countered your argument by saying that he is the lord of Winterfell, thereby proving you wrong, and then you say that it is Irrelevant? Yeah, i stopped reading after that, fuck off.
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Autist, seeth more.
Ok that was actually pretty based, ngl.

>i countered your argument by saying that he is the lord of Winterfell, thereby proving you wrong
What? How does Bran being Lord of Winterfell give him priority in the line of succession over an ACTUAL Targaryen? You are legitimately retarded. A bastard Targaryen has more claim than a trueborn Stark. Period.

You asked why anyone would follow Bran. You didn't ask if he had more claim than Jon (he does).
Try again.
>there is zero reason why Lords should take up arms in support of him

Therefore, a civil war. The lords of the Reach, Westerlands, Storm's End, Dorne, etc., have no reason to support Bran.

They might have no reason to support Bran, but why in the fuck would they support Jon?

>seeing her little 5’2” body going limp in Jons arms doesn’t really give you the vibe something good just happened.
Who's POV will we get this moment from if the books ever come out? Jon or Dany?

>but why in the fuck would they support Jon?
Because he's the true heir to the iron throne, a legit Targaryen AND a dragonrider

Because they he has Targaryen blood. There is zero reason, IN THE LAST 300 FUCKING YEARS, to support some fucking preteen Stark.

BASED
absolute cringe, kys

>Because he's the true heir to the iron throne
Why would the westerlands, Stormlands, iron islands, etc. care about any of that when they were fine with overthrowing the targs a decade and a half earlier?
So do the Martells, and they are actually not bastards, and even have a base of power in Dorne. Why not support them over Jon?
>based cringe kys
Trying too hard.

Jons, since the only time a character has "died" from his own POV was Jon gettin Caesar'd.

that's a yikes from me dawg

>So do the Martells, and they are actually not bastards, and even have a base of power in Dorne. Why not support them over Jon?
One more reason why Jon will be King over Bran. Again, thankyou for defeating your own argument.

>"Martells have more claim to the iron throne than Jon by Targaryen succesion"
>"HURR THANKS FOR PROVING THAT JON WILL WIN THE IRON THRONE!"

I really do hope you are just shitposting me.

That wasn't my argument and it wasn't your argument, retard. Jon has more claime to the throne. Martells have more claim to the throne. Bran has ZERO claim to the throne.

>Jon has more claime to the throne
Nope, still a bastard.

A bastard Targ has more claim than a trueborn Stark. Let's go to bumplimit.

>still a bastard.
But Jon isn't a bastard

He literally is.

Don't fall for his tricks. He thought that he could pat himself on the back and claim that Jon never had a claim to the throne. He is too stupid to realize that a bastard Targaryen has far more claim to the throne than a legitimate Stark.

He literally isn't, Rhaegar married Lyanna

>People are still SEETHING over the red wedding
Literally who? The Manderlys?

>implying you can just get a divorce in westeros

I'm talking about book Jon, you dumb nigger. Read up on the convo before barging in next time.
Show Jon has more vlaim than Bran, though.
For example. Wyman literally cooked 3 Freys into a pie for what they did. And remember that many northern nobles other than Robb were killed in the red wedding too.

You know the fat hack will come up with something to make Jon legit

Sure, but i fail to see what the point of that would be if Bran is gonna end up on the throne anyways.

Tyrion fucked her over book wise before meeting her by sending Griff and his Golden Company away from her.

Yeah, the point is that only norfniggers care about RW and no one else has done shit about this 'taboo'

Subvert expectations, obviously.

That's not how it works. In targ dynasties sure, but in other places such as Dorne, women have the power positions like men. Now the one who made the north a kingdom again while a men bent to the knee is a woman. It'll be likely similar to Dorne.

She makes the Rules. She'll take Prince Consort rather than a King. So she might marry some young bendable noble of the north houses.

I'm sure the riverlords aren't too happy aswell. Even Jamie "fuck muh sista and kill the kang" Lannister calls the spicers traitor cunts for what they did.

Gendry would never be King because his storyarc to rise as the legimate heir isn't even Gendry's book wise, but Edric Storm. The show combined characters and shit. Gendry is just a regular bastard of Robbert who befriended Arya but all the drama about being THE Robert clone and the whole legimate stuff and Melissandre creeping on him was Edric's who is currently secure.

>crucifying slavers bad
Dany is a slaver and supported a Slaver (Jorah).

Anyway, the shit with Arya was retarded because the one who is killing the Freyrs is Lady Stoneheart and is cast as a bad thing since she's a revenge filled being. Arya is just a fucking traumatize kid who is trying to cope using 'revenge' but she's in the path to confront this to return to be Arya. The show fucked her up by removing Stoneheart and giving her those actions.

>Djawadi [continued]: Originally [he was] with the Night's Watch, and you're not allowed to have a wife and children and all that, but this is him going out there with the wildlings, and you can interpret it like he's starting a new life. He's a changed man, and he's leaving the past behind, and so it's definitely supposed to be something positive. There are many possibilities now — that's how we can look at it.

Jon is one of the freefolks now, they don't have rulers but he's looked up for guidance for sure in their journey to the "true north". And Arya became "Nymeria" she sailed west and will likely become a warrior queen of the land she reaches on.

Sure user, the ones who pulled their shit together and the one who obtained INDEPENDENCE they fought so hard to gain would gain the moniker "unworthy."

That's referred for Dany, the Unworthy or Mad Tyrant of Essos. You do remember the guy who writes history hates Dany and loves the Starks, right?

It still can be, no books, no canon.

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Cat is still "alive" in the book though. Arya kind of stole her storyarc in the show.

Arya's just gonna die at sea like every other sailor who went West of Westeros.

>What is character development

>Freyfucker
>Abandoned his Ancestral home to save his mutt child infested with Frey genes
>Let the Basedfish die through his cowardice
>Will never be respected due to keeping his wife who literally fucking knew about the Red Wedding (Cried during the bedding) and let it happen
>Heir will never be respected since he's half Frey

Ed is a pathetic beta willing to keep fucking a woman who knew her family would brutally kill his sister and his Stark liege

I hope Book Edmure gets his child burned alive with Roslin by Lady Stoneheart.

In the books, he was tricked to marry Westerling who was one of the fucking bannerhouses of the west (it was PLANNED, but Jeyne was tricked by her parents and was truly in love with Robb). She never died or anything, since she was a pawn. It was compromising honor because she was a noblewoman.

In the show they made Robb fall for literal who bitch.

In the end weren't her parents slipping Moontea in her drinks so Jenye would be infertile or miscarry any of Robb's kids?

Ashara was a whore. She had a baby out of wedlock but was stillborn, and no, it was not Ned's. It was likely Brandon's or Rhaegar's.

Jon can't own shit, he's got oaths to the wall, and he will be a ghoul anyway. You know like Aemon, he would remove himself out the game.

He is a bastard, idiot. You need to contact families and the king's and queen's approval to have marriages annulled. Rhaegar was married to Elia. And targs without dragons can't marry twice. LITERALLY the issue with the Blackfyre rebellion.

''''secret weddings'''' don't count as true ones. The show went full retard like the stupid shit with Talysa OC.

A ghoul Jon, who die, has more claim to the throne than Bran, who has ZERO claim to the throne.

Jorah is a pedo in the books with Dany too and she doesn't want him. Without counting the pedo brigade trailing on Sansa. Even Tyrion molested her a bit, but her virginity has plot armor.

>He is a bastard, idiot.
Bastards have more claim than trueborn Starks, idiot.

Let's go in circles over and over again.

>"Come with me and destroy this elective monarchy"

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t. Cat

Martells will crash and burn with Aegon. Wouldn't surprise me Daynes take over Dorne.

Tyrells will crash and burn with Tommen and Cersei.

Jon is a wright of the Nightwatch (and could easily name Bran his heir, Jon is one of Bran's three relative mentors, including Robb and his father Ned in the beginning). He'll also probably end up realizing he is uncomfortable south and belongs among the freefolk (that's his ending show wise; realizing that is his home and choose to go with them it's kind of confirmed by now).

The rock only has Tyrion, and the Stormlands are fucked up.

Meanwhile Starks will have the Vale, the North and the Riverlands in their pockets and get a height of power. I'm 100% sure LF wanted to climb himself to the king position through Sansa.

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Cringe.... like no (you)'s for you lvls of cringe
Based

Yes, and Jeyne's devastated. She was used by them. She's really a good girl, just her family was shitty and tricked them to do stupid shit that got Robb killed.

>"Sometimes, when I try to understand an user's motives, I play a little game"
>"I assume the worst"
>"What's the worst reason they could possibly have for liking what they like, or posting what they post?"
>"Then I ask myself, how well does that explain why my writing went to shit in Season 7?"

>Martells will crash and burn with Aegon
Nope. Doran has a cousin, Manfrey, who's a knight and married.

>Tyrells will crash and burn with Tommen and Cersei.
There are way too many Tyrells for that to happen plus a Redwyne and a Fossoway are married to Mace's sisters.

>The rock only has Tyrion
Got plenty of Lannisters at Lannisport

>Stormlands are fucked up.
And would sooner support Edric, who Penrose tried to defend against Stannis.

>Daynes take over Dorne
Where the fuck is Edric/Dawn even at?

The only legitimised bastards were the Blackfyres, even if they didn't have the direct line of the throne over their also inbreed cousins (Maegor wanted two relatives wives). Hell, even Bloodraven was AFAIK, and Bloodraven chose Bran as heir.

Jon is not legitimised. Even if assuming Griff is a Blackfyre, HE has more claim on the throne than Jon.

Essosi be like
>It's free real estate

It was confirmed by a knight she gave birth to a stillborn bastard. She was a whore.

nepotism is a powerful drug. sam's job was the biggest joke.
it depended on renly wining.

He did not have faith in jon's sex skills. he did not know about things jon did with his mouth

>Jon is not legitimised. Even if assuming Griff is a Blackfyre, HE has more claim on the throne than Jon.
And both of them have more claim that Bran.

The twins were important but with all the teleporting in later years, you just wonder why they did not walk around it or just order the guy to obey. you are right, marrying margery or someone like her would make more sense.

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>implying she won't chain him in dungeon as a sex toy.

You're forgetting Martells still have no position of power or negotiation EVEN if their house isn't fucked up, Darkstar fucked them up with their plan of Myrcella, they lost Quentyn to bid for Dany and will fuck up with Aegon. They are on the losing side of the game of thrones, they can pretty much play as usual and hope somewhere they can get someone elected from Dorne if they play this way, but as the series will end ("A time for Wolves"), the North will have all the stronger cards. If Bran cannot sire children, and it becomes an electoral monarchy, they can actually agree to this BECAUSE they know they can obtain power after the transition. Support in exchange of a seat in the small council makes sense, specially if they lost so many heirs already. Tyrell would have the same position, they would lose Olenna and Willas seems like a moderate man.

Unless of course, there's no North Independent Kingdom ending (which I doubt), and Starks become a ruling dynasty and without heirs, it means the next in line Sansa (I'm sure Rickon will die) becomes his heir, making open season to whoever marries her to start the new dynasty. Like Elizabeth of York whom GRRM compared her with before. And thus is in the interest of all the great houses because most have avaliable men (not so much daughters). Trystane Martell, SweetRobin or Harry, Willas' second brother I forgot his name, etc.

Why? The whole point of GRRM's philosophy is that feudalism and right to rule by blood is retarded

Jon has no claim. He's a BASTARD without possibilities of being legitimized unless a king does it as happened with Maegor and Ayns.

>society they’re not consistent all
they can still use it whenever they need it
> if the powerful lords want him on the throne.
they don't

>dead zombie bastard black brother has claims

Why don't we just release Aemon, a REAL TARG, from his vows, he's legit al and he's alive. Make him the king.

of the old king who was overthrown. Bran has better claim since his father was friends with the fat king and all of fat kings family seems dead.

Yeah, Arryn, Stark and Baratheon were the rebels who won. So technically you're right by right of conquest and the only living Arryn is Sansa's fawning sweetrobin.

>they can get someone elected from Dorne if they play this way
No one outside of Dorne likes or cares about the Dornish. The Reach outright hates them and Stormlands are still angry about border disputes. They have no reason to even fake fealty to anyone if Targs are out of play and they can't marry into it by backing one with their blood or who's willing to marry one of their own. Martells still hold sway and power in their kingdom, they can be independent and no one will think to invade with little to gain and the impossible task of holding anything.

Elizabeth of York only works if there;s a Henry with a victorious army who needs her only for legitimacy cause no one is fucking with him anyway. And elective monarchy doesn't work since Sansa indeed would not be his heir.

>100 year old man marries a 16 year old girl
Hot.

anything for trips

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Yes, yes it is.

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Sansa is Queen sovereign of independence she won, after she ran Winterfell for months or a year and assured all north bannermen loyalty. And she wouldn't pick someone who would try to control her, when her arc is about gaining back her agency. When a Queen is the sovereign, her husband is Prince Consort rather than King, so he's the submissive party.

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Lysa was the wife of the house of arryn lord paramount, it's completely different because she was the consort of the Lord of the Vale while Sansa is the Lady of Winterfell and the Stark heir sitting on North as the ruler. Whoever she marries will get her name and be her aid and companion at best rather than her lord. That said Sansa will be very cautious in who she will marry, she's pretty paranoid (rightfully) and has had horrible experiences. I like to think she'll marry someone she can at least love in time and will be very protective of him and their children.

Both the North and Dorne are basically unconquerable without dragons. Dorne might not even be conquerable with dragons.
Everything outside these two Kingdoms and the retard islands might as well just be one kingdom, Stormlands, Reach, Riverrun, are all basically the same place.
It’s weird that Mr. Tax Policy wouldn’t just toss in a token justification for it actually being advantageous to remain one united Westeros. Something like bargain basement tariffs from Essos if they negotiate with everyone as one kingdom.

>When a Queen is the sovereign, her husband is Prince Consort rather than King,
Not him but tell that to Joffrey Lannister nee Lydden. King of the Rock. Sansa can get usurped, he'll take the name, put babies into that and be the ruler and she the broodmare.

AAGGGGGGGGGGH

Euron had a vision of the gods like Sevens, the drowned gods, and all other except the trees gods dying, and the world ending to be reborn. So yes, the other faiths are getting fucked in the ass.

AGGGGGGGgggggggGGGGGGGggggggGgGgGgGgģģģģĞĞĞĞĞh

>I like to think she'll marry someone she can at least love in time and will be very protective of him and their children.
>I like to think
You smell of sansafag

The north and Dorne being reliant on crops from the reach and riverlands might've been an interesting reason for them to stay, but so far GRRM really hasn't made a big deal out of it.

It's been like two months why do you niggas even talk.about this shit anymore?

I wonder if sansa will marry him in the book in hopes of getting the throne

*13 years old
Sansa isn't that old.

Lysa thought she might, and sweetrobin despite being 8 has already put moves on her which is fucked up. For a sickly brat he already kissed her.

>he's alive
user, Im sorry to tell you this but

>Debating the ending of a series of books that will never be finished

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Considering she's been poisoning him and is disgusted by him, not likely

>Elizabeth of York only works if there;s a Henry with a victorious army who needs her only for legitimacy cause no one is fucking with him anyway.

Aegon if he's a Blackfyre, and survives, because Blackfyre = Tudor.

maybe he just wants him to be a weak puppet

Fuck I forgot he died. Let's unroot bloodraven tree and move it to the Red Keep then.

Aegon dies to Dany m8. He's not making it to the end

>Both the North and Dorne are basically unconquerable without dragons.
Vale too, you know. But that's what Sansa's gonna do, she's basically the key for the North for a reason.

>Littlefinger was so stupid in the show he fucking gave Sansa to the Boltons

I mean he deserved to die in such humilating manner. I'm sure book LF would have done the deed himself. What the fuck was that?

Sansa can want him as a weak puppet all she wants, no one's gonna take it nicely that she's been poisoning and trying to kill Robert and marry his heir.

And she's been rejecting him too.

There’s honestly no malice is Sansa giving that shit to Robin. May LF is intentionally trying to overdose him; but Sansa sees it as necessary since theres no other options to prevent his tard tantrums in front of his lords or even when going down the mountain.

>Vale too, you know
Nope. Andals took that shit by sailing right into the place. Only the bloody gate is a problem. She's the "key" because she's the eldest stark daughter when everyone thinks the males are dead. Arya would be the key if Sansa died too. Too bad for Sansa she's still legally married to Tyrion.

It's not she's poisoning him, he's really annoying and gets those fits so she allows the maester who treats him with sweetmilk do it. She's more careless than outright malicious and plotting his death. LF is encouraging him to basically guilttrip her when he dies for sure though.

youtu.be/489a-bzKhgc

Look how they massacred my boy

Maester fucking tells her it can kill Sweetrobin and she doesn't care and has literally been told about when Robin dies Harry is heir and been given the task of seducing Harry, she knows exactly what she's doing

She has no malice toward the kid, just some exasperation which is understandable. Stop projecting your bitterness over show Sansa to the book one. She thinks is the only way to control his fits, and there's a maester in charge of this shit.

LF is basically manipulating her to try to speed the kid's death but she seems oblivious to that because she has some Stockholm Syndrome and identity crisis about him. I think she'll snap out before sweetrobin croaks and save his life. The kid is taken with her which is unrequited of course, he's fucking eight and has a huge puppy crush.

See . Stop making excuses for her.

She's not thinking "I can't wait he dies" she simply doesn't think there's any other way to control his fits during the lords meeting and Petyr INSTRUCTED her to do this. She's being blind and naive with LF but she's not particularly malicious or trying to consciously murder him.

>blind and naive
>says her and father have larger concerns or something to that effect when commanding the Maester give sweetmilk that the Maester says they shouldn't or it'll kill him
>knows precisely why she needs to marry Harry and that it needs Robin to die
>doesn't object to this, just says she's already married to Tyrion
Stop making excuses for her

Littlefinger is actually a character who wields the "feminine" power and controls the game because of it: he's helpful, friendly, courteous and doesn't wield any hard position of power just someone you can trust. That's why he's the perfect mentor for Sansa, even if she won't be a rotten as him, he's pretty much exercising the power the ladies should.

She doesn't object aloud, but she doesn't want to do anything. She doesn't want to marry anyone anymore.

Sure she doesn't. Fucking sansafags, I swear

Point 1: the sweetmilk is only administrated to calm him on fits during lords meeting which otherwise won't be manageable.
You'll have a point if she was overdosing him on purpose and thought about it outside it, but she's not.

Point 2: She doesn't want to marry anyone, but she can't really fucking say so. She has no agency and completely depends on LF who could easily sold her to the Crown for a crime she didn't commit.

Point 3: You're completely undermining her storyarc about her identity as LF daughter vs Sansa Stark which makes sense as a terrified and traumatized teenager who has begun her association process and LF is manipulating her to scrub the Ned Stark out her and make her his daughter for real. Her chapter name changed to Alyne as Arya changed to No one because both are completely struggling with this.

It's going to be a struggle for her to find herself back and to do so, she'll have to defeat LF. I doubt it'll end with LF finger with his brainwashed childbride.

>I will tell my aunt that I don't want to marry Robert. Not even the High Septon himself could declare a woman married if she refused to say the vows. She wasn't a beggar, no matter what her aunt said. She was thirteen, a woman flowered and wed, the heir to Winterfell. Sansa felt sorry for her little cousin sometimes, but she could not imagine ever wanting to be his wife. I would sooner be married to Tyrion again.

(Sansa VII)

If she married Sweetrobin as Lysa pointed, she would be the next Lady of the Vale automatically, but literally she doesn't want to. That is as Sansa before her aunt's death and she's been even more manipulated to depend only on LF.

>"A marriage . . ." Her throat tightened. She did not want to wed again, not now, perhaps not ever. "I do not . . . I cannot marry. Father, I . . ." Alayne looked to the door, to make certain it was closed. "I am married," she whispered. "You know."

( Alayne II)

She brings up Tyrion as an excuse because she doesn't want to marry but the Sansa vs Alyne shit makes her obey her father now. That's LF.

Based

Did he tongue punch Sansa before he died in the Long Night? He earned it.

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>You'll have a point if she was overdosing him on purpose
Except she is because the maester fucking says they shouldn't and she makes him do it anyway

>LF who could easily sold her to the Crown for a crime she didn't commit.
Not without implicating himself he won't

>both are completely struggling with this
And both are still responsible for their actions no matter what.

to the first quote. she is married to Tyrion still. But see, she objects to the condition of her husband, not the concept of marriage itself. If it was fucking Garlan or Loras she wouldn't be objecting like this.

>Sansa vs Alyne shit makes her obey her father now. That's LF
Still responsible for her choices like poisoning her cousin and trying to marry his heir with the prospect of Robert's death on the line. and not like she's disgusted by the prospect of Harry, she definitely still has romance on the brain judging by her continued thoughts on hound

everyone knows the kid is a genetic dumpster fire and they were fine with his mom killing his dad so whatever.

Bran literally used him as a human shield.

she has pov chapters, why does not she object there?

Something wrong with your thread boy? Can you archive? I've got to bump you?

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How tall is she with those shoes bros. 5'6?

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Same size as Kit

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her shoes are always shit.
even here. massive heels with little sex appeal.

why is she so perfect bros

>/got/ needs /ecg/ to survive
ayyy

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Wearing heels too often can be pretty bad for your feet, hips, and back in the long run.

Is there going to be another thread? What do you guys think the edition will be?

probably could have made it yourself by now.

>/got/ last thread will have a naziDany op
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new thread before I piss me self

Son I may have made more threads than anyone on /got/ over the years. I just want to ride the end out.

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I never make the new thread because I can never decide on the OP or if I do someone else always makes their own right before me.