I still don't know if I like this movie. On one hand it felt like the plot was just a pretext for two hours of beautiful visuals of folk open air museum. Which I enjoyed, everything looked agoraphobic, the set was great with misshapen buildings, second movie set felt alive etc. But there is no sense of dread, you know that characters will end badly just like the wicker man. I liked the orgy scene, humor felt out of place little bit. The final scene felt really ambivalent. Was it just a statement that culture manipulates individual into subversion on false pretense of free choice, that you can't let go of trauma and ones loved ones will suffer from it, or I am looking too much into that? It felt long, you could really feel those 2+ hours, but leaving cinema it didn't feel like a chore finally done. Weird.
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It was shit
Any webms?
Nah, but when dvd will hit, there will be a couple
its not great but we should be optimistic about the future of the horror genre, the level of cinematic quality of Hereditary/Midsommar is debatable but once can't deny Ari Aster is trying to infuse auteur cinema into the industry's most low effort genre. horror has been absolute garbage for the past 2 decades and one can count the exceptions on both hands
I had a few reads on this film and I'm not sure which one I like more:
1. It's in the tradition of Jewish filmmakers making horror films where traditional European lifestyles and the ecstatic practice of such are portrayed as somewhat sinister
2. It's about loss and grief, and Dani finding a new family. Here the pagans are actually sympathetic characters who although their practices seem brutal, are also able to live much happier and sincere lives than the Americans
3. It's about these narcissistic Americans getting their comeuppance, either because they are simpish relativist anthropologists, over emotional women, hedonistic pleasure seekers, or just boorish
It's probably a mixture of all three. I greatly enjoyed the movie and think Ari has a great sense for aesthetics. This and hereditary had a tremendous baroque style. I do agree that the humor didn't land for me though.
Is burning triangle shaped temples supposed to be a symbol for something? Mandy had the same visual. Did Ari rip off Mandy? Did both movies rip off something else? Deeper symbolism that I'm too stupid to get?
FROM THE CREATIVE GENIUS BEHIND TINO'S DICK FARTS
i believe it was a two hour "they liked my first movie so much these retards will see whatever i shit out next" Exactly what happened with Get Out and US. Midsommar is the most boring piece of shit Ive ever seen. Nothing remotely scary ever happened. Imagine being scared of Dutch mormans.
The aesthetic doesn't appeal to me and I was unphased by everything in the film, I didn't enjoy it at all because that's all it has going for it.
>there was no oogabooga scary moments so it sucks
I thought the film was well directed with shit content
I invited my mommy to see it with me since she likes horror movies and the 10 minute sex scene with naked old people moaning around them was a bit much
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>when the deep moving sickdark cool ranch slow burn is interrupted by a cheap and nasty vacuous and hasty macaroni and cheesey jumpscare
SLOW
Hereditary was much better.
>1. It's in the tradition of Jewish filmmakers making horror films where traditional European lifestyles and the ecstatic practice of such are portrayed as somewhat sinister
Well, practices like in that movie don't exist in Europe. It's Hollywood-style neopaganism.
Illuminati pyramids? Witch House (The music style)? It seems to be the general aesthetic of these faux-80s retro horror movies of the 2010s.
Yeah, it is. It's the masochistic fantasies of a femdom-addicted Jew. people over 30 or so will simply not find it scary, it's all about memes that are scary to zoomers (Relationships, impotent men/powerful women, anti-progressivism etc.).
>trash artsy meme "horror"
Pass
>this is what nu-Yea Forums considers critiques
Nu-male horror that has the onions crowd yelling "it's so deep npc's could never understand".
It wasn't bad but not worth watching twice.
I want to join a serious Nordic pagan cult after watching this. Imagine being with a family like that? No one squabbles over material things. They seem to sincerely enjoy each other, their traditions, and their culture? They celebrate and confront emotion and death together instead of forcing the individual to hide it with shame.
In the end, its just a movie and people are shit everywhere in reality.
I mean if onions embrace extreme violence, classy directing and no overt sjw themes then call me an ogre cuz I got layers. What are conservative filmmakers besides Mel making? Literally nothing.
I don't know if you've noticed but anyone who unironically uses the word "onions" is a retard. Literally do the opposite of what they say.
>unironically
>Literally
>dutch
what
It's about relationships and perverse wish fulfillment following a breakup.
This movie isn't necessarily bad it's just not as great as some people are making it out to be. The poor acting of the American characters made this movie feel cheap. People are trying hard to make this more than a surface level summer horror movie and that's just not the case. Seeing a director like Refn do a film like this would be interesting tho.
It's about that phase in your early twenties when you "discover yourself" and become assured in your own self-worth, with the break-up of a toxic relationship used as a vehicle to explore that, with a "finding yourself" trip to Europe that results in pagan horror as the window dressing. Dani is a victim of gaslighting - being told in a stressful situation that everything is fine, that you're the one who's being unreasonable/acting crazy, and made to question and punish yourself for this behavior.
Throughout the movie Dani is made to feel as though her intuition is incorrect, that she can't trust herself. Christian tells her it's her own fault that her bi-polar sister acts out so much, and she decides to agree with him and ignore her gut feeling that something is seriously wrong. She then ignores her unnamed friend's advice that Christian is a terrible boyfriend who doesn't really care about her, again blaming herself for being too emotionally draining on him, and again takes the blame on herself when Christian doesn't know how to talk to her about his planned trip to Sweden. The truth is that she (a psychology student) is far more emotionally intelligent than he is, more self-aware, but she prioritises the feelings of others, tries to please other ahead of herself because she lacks self-confidence and people like Christian only feed that.
Also note that Christian and his friends are anthropology students - this is why they (Josh in particular) are able to detach themselves while witnessing the brutal practices of the Harga. They see behavior as an expression of cultural environment and are less tuned in to the individual emotional realm of others - each of them only interested in advancing their own needs (Josh photographing the sacred book, Mark wanting to get laid, pretty much everything about Christian, Pelle hoping to bring Dani into the commune because he has feelings for her).
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More examples of Dani's internal voice being denied include her decision to accept the offer of mushroom tea despite knowing that she may have a panic attack, her desire to leave after the Ättestupa but Christian telling her to be more open-minded about their culture, and later questioning the disappearances of Konnie, Simon, etc. Other characters also experience this a little too - Mark being told that it's 9pm even though it's still bright out, for example, although pretty much every character aside from Dani is constantly acting in their own self-interest.
In the Harga, Dani finds people who allow her emotional, cathartic release. When she has a panic attack after witnessing Christian's sex ritual, the women wail with her, help her to regulate her breathing. In a way, this is the kind of emotional support that Christian has never offered her. Finally, when they also give her the opportunity to punish Christian, she is finally able to attain a level of self-actualisation. This is why she smiles at the end.
All that said - it's a good movie, unsettling in parts, trite in others, beautifully shot, and Florence Pugh is a fucking powerhouse. Hereditary was better. Hopefully Aster's next movie will be a bit more of a leap for him - he's retreading a lot of ground from Hereditary here, and the script follows almost the exact same beats.
>Mark being told that it's 9pm even though it's still bright out, for example
Are you implying he was being lied to or something?
Freemason, Illuminati, Satanist stuff. Basically the pyramid, upwards facing triangle is a symbol of the earth, masculinity, and Satan.
It killed me seeing how unsure of herself and apologetic she was during the whole thing, even when she was behaving in a pretty rational way.
I know they were just her boyfriend's friends, but they still lacked any empathy for her and what she had gone through. "You guys are like my family" was an innocent mistake but they just brushed her off after the elder's suicides, especially Christian, who probably could have seen why that was especially traumatizing for her, but was only concerned with himself.
Christian was worse than useless. Basically just existed to make her apologize, question herself, and feel like a burden. "Do you feel held by him?"
No, although I suppose it's more of a reverse thing for him now that you mention it. Where Dani always allows her internal world to give way to outside assertion, Mark challenges the outside world and tries to make it bend to his will. He wants to deny the fact that it is 9pm, but can't, so expresses his will another way by telling everyone to lie down the same way he is.
I thought Hereditary was dog shit, I enjoyed this one for the most part despite its flaws. It depicted psychedelics pretty darn well. I don’t like that they tried to include “funny” scenes so late in the game. Real horror isn’t funny. I understand the notion of something being so absurd that it is comical, but I don’t think it’s a strong trait for a horror film. Ultimately I enjoyed the depiction of the community and did not enjoy the silly dramas of the main character and her bf
>did not enjoy the silly dramas of the main character and her bf
you're probably just like him
>Don't exist in Europe
I mean obviously the midsommar may day stuff in the film is fantasy, but it's clearly inspired by various folk practices in Europe like maypole dancing, Morris dancing etc.
The stuff in the wickerman for is the same sort of thing.
I don’t think that their plot line made the film any better. Aster could make a truly good film, but he’s too busy pandering to normies with conventional story tropes. Maybe it’s not his fault and he got told to, idk
Also, the Ättestupa is an actual folkloric thing, although whether or not it was ever actually practiced is unknown. Same with the blood-eagle thing they did to Simon.
>throwing boomers off of cliffs
nice
>le jewish subversion of european lifestyles
Making the familiar strange and menacing is a hallmark of good atmospheric horror ffs
I'm not saying it like that. I actually think it's quite reasonable that Jewish filmmakers would articulate that fear, and I think Ari is not necessarily doing it consciously but more because of the influence of other films that did.
If I'm remembering correctly this is covered somewhat in academia and there is a German word or something that means roughly fear of racial joy or something.
Again I'm not complaining that Ari is doing this, but instead trying to open a discussion about this sort of ethnic dimension to the film
There is definitely an element of exoticising a foreign culture that if it were set in Africa or India or somewhere non-white would be considered entirely offensive. As it stands though the movie was partly made by Swedes, in fact Ari Aster was originally approached by Swedes to make a Swedish slasher-movie, and this is what he eventually came up with.
It's a self indulgent piece of trash.
Huh I didn't know this. So I guess there could be a case made that this film has some oikophobic themes?
I loved it. Honestly it's my favorite movie in a long time. I really don't think it should be judged as horror, though. I know the marketing lead people to believe so, but it really wasn't trying to scare imo.
I really think that's more of an afterthought, despite what Ari has said. That concept doesn't feel very on the nose in the actual story. Both characters seemingly wanted to make things work, despite their individual flaws. She was obviously controlling and bordering loony, and he was conflicted between pursuing his own desires and sacrificing some of them to help his gf. You can see he really never wanted to cheat on her up until the last second. He was squirming in his chair and seemed completely unphased by the pube pie and love rune. Literally got roofied
Perhaps? The anthropological interest Josh shows in the Harga could be seen as xenophily and his actions are punished. It's also interesting that Pelle originally thinks Dani is studying psychiatry, but she corrects him to psychology. There may be some kind of comment in there.
I find your read on the characters really off, personally. Dani is not controlling, she's entirely open and self-effacing. Her expectation of emotional support from her boyfriend is completely ordinary, yet she blames herself for his lack of empathy because he gaslights her, constantly. He wasn't making any sacrifices for her. He stayed with her out of guilt, and made an invitation to join them on their trip for the same reasons. It is she who continuously compromises so as not to feel like a burden. And I don't think it reads that he never wanted to cheat - his interest in Maja is obvious, he's constantly looking at her, watching her, considering. The fact that he is squirming is the red flag that he wants to do it, but knows he shouldn't. That he is showing any internal conflict at all is damning.
He is simply not a good partner to Dani, and their break-up was inevitable. Consider the shot at the beginning with her wailing in Christian's lap, as he stares blankly ahead, rocking her, not knowing how to console her. Now compare it to the Harga women who wail with her during her panic attack, who offer her a form of emotional release, who are not closed and cold and self-interested. "Does he make you feel held?"
It is staring you in the face that this is a movie about a woman stranded in a toxic relationship, who finally finds the strength to stand up for herself.
Good points, but I disagree that it's about her finding her strength. If anything her weaknesses were exploited by the commune. I don't see any evidence that she really exercised any "strength" or autonomy in her actions. Perhaps I'm not remembering ever detail correctly. I really didn't read Christian as being interested in Maja prior—especially after he scoffs at the idea of fucking Maja to the elder and doesn't seem to light up when Pelle says Maja might like him. To me, he said "I think I ate her pube" in a joking way. He didn't appear any different after the love spell or pube/period meal. It was only the drugs that got him. I'm not trying to paint Christian as infallible—he's clearly quite selfish, but he understands that following his impulses would only hurt Dani. You can see that he's very careful to not aggravate her situation in any way. Does he do a good job of helping it? No, but there's clearly a conscious effort.
I agree with you in that the movie is about relationships but I don't think Dani is the good guy. I think she's at best a very flawed person. She's very clingy with her boyfriend and definitely the more dominant force in their relationship. Also consider the fact that her boyfriend cheating on her leads to her smiling after his literal destruction.
Remember when the girl offers him the laced drink, and he refuses at first, worried about a "bad trip"? He looks at Maja right before this if I recall correctly. I think the intended reading is that he knows he wants to take up the offer of mating with her, and is worried that by loosening his inhibitions, he'll actually go through with it.
Yes, he's reluctant, but it's for the same reason he stayed in this relationship despite his desire to leave - out of guilt. Now he's not as outwardly slimy as Mark, but he's still a douchebag, through and through. He's not even loyal to his friends, let alone his girlfriend - he steals Josh's thesis idea, and as soon as he and Mark go missing, along with the accusations about the sacred book, he's distancing himself, and unconcerned with their safety.
As for her being exploited by the commune, yeah, the fact that they were all lured there to be sacrificed or mated with and then have their bodies desecrated for a pagan ritual isn't a great look. And yes, they do groom her for initiation from the moment she arrives - hell, Pelle is at it before they even leave the States. But I'm talking more about the arc of the character - she arrives at a point of empowerment by the end. She is made a Queen, and she chooses to have her boyfriend executed as reward for all of his toxic behavior.
Having said that, I don't think that he or any of the others deserved the fates they received, but hey, it's a horror movie.
i agree with most of this. i know that i liked it but i feel like i need to see it again to confirm my initial impression. i like watching things twice anyway.
and the director has a real talent for absolute kino shots, which is a big plus for enjoying his work overall.
>Witch House
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Whether or not she's a good person for doing what she did at the end is not really what I was talking about. I'm just talking about how she develops as a character, which is at the heart of the film. I wouldn't call her "very clingy" either - at the opening of the film she's in a crisis and Christian isn't there for her as he should be. She's more dominant only in that she's more invested - she loves him, truly. But he doesn't feel the same, and the way that he treats her is a pretty cut-and-dried case of gaslighting, which is a theme that the film comes back to over and over again throughout. Not necessarily deliberately manipulative psycho gaslighting - more the casual, self-absorbed kind of oblivious toxic behavior that isn't all that uncommon in relationships at that age. Albeit made more dramatic by the fact that a lot of it takes place while people around them are being murdered by a pagan cult.
I watched this the other night and I had a completely different reaction to it than the normie friends I saw it with.
I struggled with clinical depression for a long time and I really empathized with Dani, seeing her find community and joy in the film starting with the dance competition brought a genuine smile to my face. I'm not saying Christian deserved to die, but if I were in her situation/mental/drugged state, I would have probably made the same choice.
it was a mix of all 3, although 1 may not be intentional or at least not maliciously so. im aware of the agenda but im hesitant to assume it of everybody in hollywood and Ari is in my good book after making Hereditary which was pure kino.
everybody knows about savages tribes all around the world in africa, in the amazon, on islands etc, im okay with a movie doing a depiction of white people in a similar light once in a while. i cant laugh at people who get offended by that sort of shit and then do it myself when it affects me.
Just to add a little more to the "clinginess" thought - she is a very vulnerable person, and relies a lot on Christian's support. But this is part of the unhealthy dynamic that they have established, with her admonishing herself for her emotional needs after he makes her feel intrusive for even expecting the baseline level of support that someone who loves you should offer. They've been together for nearly four years (which Christian forgets). If she comes off as clingy, I think Christian is partly to blame for things developing that way, just going off of the way he treats her. If she wasn't always made to question herself and was instead encouraged and positively reinforced by her partner, she would be less of an emotional wreck. This is why the climax of the movie is cathartic for her.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TELL
BUT I'M IN HELL
based salem poster
kek that mustve been uncomfortable
Maybe I need to see the movie again to really read his intentions properly.
Perhaps I'm also clouded by the fact that I've been in relationships with people who have experienced trauma or don't have the best mental health. I empathized with Christian in that it's hard to be completely selfless and comfort someone with such level of trauma. How do you console someone whose bipolar sister mainlined gas into herself and her parents? Pelle was a little slimy in asking her things like "Does he feel like home?", knowing from firsthand experience that Christian consciously chooses to be with her despite peer pressure. Guilt? Of course. How could you not feel guilty knowing you can't help a person like that, but that leaving would obviously make things worse?
Also, I really don't read the ending as empowerment. She had ZERO autonomy in anything that transpired in the commune— a person that vulnerable rarely does.What's empowering about having no autonomy leading up to the point of execution? They merely gave her a veneer of power by making her the queen and letting her play God for a moment. this isn't a self-actualized climax of empowerment in her arc—it's the peak of her arc of going insane.
thats pretty much the extent of my knowledge of witch house, any recommendations?
I haven't seen anyone mention the soundtrack. The Haxan Cloak did a great job
Ritualz - Ghetto Ass Witch
Pictureplane - Real Is A Feeling
Glass Teeth - Flesh Palace
oOoOO - Sedsumting
Arcanum - Dance Of Cernunnos
GuMMy†Be▲R - The Elders Pt. 2
Sadwrist - Dripheart
Balam Acab - Big Boy
all these are on youtube i think, some are more "witchy" than others but overall these would be what i consider the greatest hits of that time period
i remember thinking it was beautiful and there were a bunch of parts where i was actively focusing on it but i didnt know who did it. i had never heard them before but ive seen that name recently somewhere (it may have been on an ad for Midsommar now that i think about it). but anyway im gonna look for to give it a closer listen.
or i might just see it again tomorrow on cheap day. or both. but at least the first part.
im listening to Excavation by them right now. im digging the whole "dark ambient" thing.
>the greatest hits of that time period
based as fuck, thanks m8
thats exactly what i was hoping for
excavation is the only one I've heard. very cool album
I could see empathising for him on that level. A relationship like that often requires an emotionally intelligent person with a robust understanding not only of the needs of their partner but also of themselves. In Christian's case, he was not up to the task - he wanted to break up with her before the tragedy, and was put into an awful position considering that. But beyond that, he was not only too emotionally stunted to make a relationship with someone like Dani work, he was also abusive to her. Again, not deliberately - just another symptom of his lack of emotional intelligence.
The empowerment is there. It is the choice to kill Christian. In terms of her arc as it is on the page, beat by beat - that one choice, following everything that has happened to her, is the result of her overcoming her need for his support. The decision to punish him for his behavior is pure personal catharsis for her.
I would argue that her lack of real autonomy until this moment - things happening to her, as in my last paragraph - is kind of the point. She is a passive character, who compromises herself and doubts herself and goes along with things because she doesn't want to be a burden, even in a crisis. She has a fear of abandonment (the nightmare about the others driving off without her). Emotionally, the moment she chooses to kill Christian, who represents that idea most clearly, is absolutely a moment of personal empowerment. Even if it was the cult who lead her there, to the point of having her repeat the words of a ritual song as the May Queen - they made her feel a sense of value that Christian did not and could not.
Again though, he didn't deserve to die. So yes, it could easily read that she has crossed a line into insanity at that moment - but that doesn't change the arc of her emotional journey.
im enjoying, it got really good about 8 minutes in and i love when that happens in ambient type songs like something gets added or manipulated that takes it to a new level. its very satisfying.
I agree, like Hereditary it was overlong with a flat climax.
Lel
what was the main actresses name? she was hot as fuck
Florence Pugh. She was fantastic
how do you pronounce her last name?
Check out Lady Macbeth if you liked her in this.
I firmly believe she was lead down the garden path. I don't think she was left with much choice after seeing the one thing that remained a foundation for her (a terribly shaky one) cheat on her, regardless of his autonomy. Maybe there's something empowering about basically telling a bad partner "fuck off and die" in a way? How she was lead to that point doesn't come off as self actualized, though.
I suppose it's dependent on how much weight Ari Aster's statements should hold. I don't believe him that the ENTIRETY of the story is "perverse wish fulfillment" following a breakup. I think he builds on a basic concept like that from the bottom up, with many other themes making up the bulk of the story, rather than a top->down approach of making the entire film "perverse wish fulfillment" breakup fantasy. I do appreciate that some things are open to discussion/interpretation, despite how deliberate he is as a director. anyway I have to go to the gym. absolute kino movie 9/10
"pew"
pyoo. my god her thighs and eyes were beautiful.
Have a good one. Thanks for the discussion.
Yeah I don't think it's malicious, I just think it draws from that well so to speak
is ari aster really that jewish that his culture would effect his portrayal of european traditions, even implicitly? I think it's a stretch desu
thanks i will be sure to check her out.
she has really nice eyes
yes this
>actual discussion
I'm relishing this thread because every thread before was capeshitters screaming soi and /pol/tards who haven't seen it screaming that its antiwhite. I'm pretty retarded when it comes to dissecting themes so all the analysis is really appreciated.
Well he mentions it quite a bit, see the recent guardian interview of him. But I think really it's just from him being well versed in cinema, you sort of can't avoid it.
oh I also wanted to chime in, in response to the discussion above. A hot topic of debate seems to be 'why did dani kill christain?' or 'did christain actually deserve to die?'
I think that although she did literally sentence him to death, the event can be viewed allegorically, as the final 'cutting off' in the end of an unhealthy relationship.
Both of them are so fucked out of their gourd with midsommar tea and adrenaline that I think it misses the point to look at their actions at face value anyways.
I'm enjoying this film a lot as I think on it, and I start drawing lines and understanding themes. It really is a funny, freaky visual trip hinged on the context of massive trauma and the dynamics of breaking up a shitty relationship.
Oh and it's probably pretty shallow of me to say, but I really loved both the tableau opening and the entire opening sequence culminating in the title card, totally sucked me in.
youve gotta give it time for the plebs and spergs to do their thing right after the initial opening.its always a shitshow in the first few days/threads. then discussion can rise from the ashes. especially once more people hear about it in the weeks following it. i was hyped cuz i loved hereditary, but people around here will hear things from friends or randomly in other threads which may spark their interest or awareness where there was none before.
>Albeit made more dramatic by the fact that a lot of it takes place while people around them are being murdered by a pagan cult.
I pretty much see the cult as just representing Dani's subconscious that wants to kill her boyfriends friends who try to steer him away from her so she can have him all to herself and then wanting to destory her boyfriend after finding out he cheated on her.
>le people travelling to le backwoods get le killed
wow
so original
much creative
An interesting reading but I don't think the text supports it.
The director apparently described the film as perverse wish fulfillment following a breakup.
thanks, I would have went with "puff" or pough (as in "though")
Yeah, the opening is gorgeous. Overall the movie was really beautifully shot, with only one or two shots in the commune looking a little over-exposed.
There is also one shot in the scene where Christian reveals that he invited Dani to join them that is a bit strange in terms of the lighting set-up. They have a harsh "natural" light coming through the window left of frame, illuminating Josh as a foreground element, and then one other diegetic light coming from a lamp in right of frame. Other than that they're pretty much sitting in the dark, with Pelle and especially Mark very poorly lit on the sofa. At first I thought this was to draw our eye to the mirror so that we could watch Christian open the door to let Dani in, but the plane of focus was on Josh, so the mirror was slightly soft. So I'm not sure what they were going for with everything being so poorly lit. Mark even has his laptop open (which he uses as an excuse to get Christian to talk to him in the bedroom) but there is no light coming from the laptop onto his face, nor does the lighting change at all when he closes the laptop.
Which the film does quite well by having her literally sentence her boyfriend to a horrific death, without the need for an extra layer of allegorical insanity.
What happens to Connie? I don’t believe we see her die. I don’t remember, but was she placed in that house before it was lit on fire?
Yeah but wasn't Heriditary allegorical too? I don't think the point of these movies are scary demons or creepy cults. It's more about what those things represent.
You hear her scream
Her corpse in a wheelbarrow is the first one you see making it's way to the temple thing, followed by Mark sewed into a kind of jester doll.
Read the thread for my take. I'm this guy:
I only really disagree with your idea that the events in the film are positive for the main character and you should root for her. I do sympathize with her but think she's a really flawed, messed up person and actually abusive to her boyfriend maybe even more so than he is to her. If he didn't want to be with her she should have accepted it but clearly couldn't let go of him and when she couldn't have him she destroyed him.
Can you elaborate on how she is abusive?
I think she's controlling and that her boyfriend is the passive, submissive one in the relationship. He clearly felt forced into inviting her to the festival event and probably emotionally manipulated due the tragedy involving the protagonists family. He probably also felt forced into staying with her and taken advantage of. I also think that Dani was aware he wanted to leave her and manipulating him to stay with her.
It's boring.
god fucking damn it, horror flicks usually don't rub off on me in any way since they tend to be shit, but this film had a profound impact on me and now I'm sitting here by myself overwhelmed by a sense of utter dread
I think it's because it managed to turn something that's close to my heart into the grotesque and unthinkably twisted, I'm a slav whose family comes from the countryside and I always respected that aspect of rural life; close and sincere communities unified by a common culture, religion, and a kind of oneness with nature, but the way this film so masterfully and beautifully obscures these things into pure horror is just mesmerising
it's funny because the actual message behind the story is one of finding emotional fulfillment and support in a culturally unified community which is something I should cherish, but it's completely overshadowed with how artfully it depicts these things as gruesome horror
To conclude I think she was possesive and forceful with him denying his autonomy or freedom or choice.
murder is abuse imo
It's not horror, idiot.
Isn't this movie basically the same shit like that other one where some English lad comes to Irish Village or something, they shove him inside a massive wooden statue and burn him alive
Yes, except that movie is actually frightening and impactful whereas Midsommar is dull and soulless
based
you say that with such confidence
>protip: it’s more than one genre
Can you give me the name of that movie m8
pretty good take
its always interesting when the events of the movie hit closer to home
"Hur dur, good breakup movie"
Personally I think you're projecting something sinister onto her that the film never attempts to portray, whereas the instances of abuse by Christian are fully integral to the story and specifically highlighted as a vector for the theming and arc of the film. You're right that he felt backed into a corner, both in the decision to continue the relationship and try be what Dani wanted him to be, and also in his extending the invitation to Sweden. You're also right that she is a flawed person. But Dani was not manipulating him, nor was he manipulating her. It was just a toxic relationship, even before the events of the film. He was not emotionally equipped to give her what she needed, nor did he fully understand what she needed. His way of dealing with her anxiety was to subtly gaslight her, which just made things worse.
For her part, she is somewhat naive, diffident and lacks a strong sense of self-reliance. She wants to please Christian. Yes, she suspected that she was driving him away, but she did not know that he was literally searching for the right moment to dump her, and we saw that she admonished herself for being too needy (despite some sound advice from her friend) and was going to attempt to be less so - until, of course, she discovered what had happened to her family. At that point all of that went out of the window. I don't think her leaning on him in that crisis was at all manipulative or unfair all things considered. He's just too stunted to deal with her. He's terrified of emotional territory. Look at his misunderstanding of the situation with Dani's sister, or the way he tries to run away from any discussion about the trip to Sweden. He simply doesn't know what he's doing. And that's not her fault - nor does she exploit that. It's just a fucked up situation that cannot be easily resolved.
True
I think he's referring to the original version of The Wicker Man.
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Hereditary's ending sucked ass. You take a shocking death in the first act, an extremely tense and blunt family dynamic in the second act, and you shit on all of it with low rent cult possession Exorcist tropes in the third.
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Why did the ending bother you exactly? Did it feel out of left field or something? I thought it was teetering on the supernatural the entire movie and that's why it worked.
It's riffing on the Exorcist and Rosemary's Baby, both of which flirted with the main character having mental issues rather than anything supernatural. Rosemary's Baby in particular drags that idea out until the very last scene. Plus Hereditary has cult members in it from the very first scene. The entire point is that they are puppetmastering the family the whole time.
Its literally the whole plot of the movie. Holy shit you're a brainlet if you missed that.
I agree. I really like it as an allegory for a terrible relationship and a breakup, but its not horror. Horrible things happen in it, but it isn't scary.
It reminds me of LVT Dogville
Same here. I saw it with some other people, and all of us have had terrible relationships and depression in the past. We found the ending really cathartic and liberating in a sort of metaphoric way. Of course killing someone is awful but the metaphor of burning away the toxic people in your life and being embraced by a true loving family after all your pain is actually really nice.
I agree 100%. It was tonally uneven throughout. I think Midsommar had a lot more control over tone and theme and consistency.
I agree with most of what you're saying. I've been thinking about it a lot and I think I need a second viewing to solidify a lot of my feelings. As of right now, I think I liked Hereditary better.
It was good. I'm really laughing at people who got triggered by it being anti white or feminist. You niggers have brain problems.
I can't tell if they're funnier than the people who walked out of the movie in disgust. Go read Google audience reviews for a good laugh. Plenty of "I took my parents to see it!"
Wouldnt you want to fuck a young virgin redhead?
Those reviews are great. My favorites are the ones who call the first 30 minutes in the US a waste of time
For the record, I also think Hereditary was better (as stated in my second post ITT). It was a truly unpredictable film which is rare these days. I can't say the same for Midsommar, unfortunately, although it was beautifully crafted.
Looks like a Jew's patologizing of the Swedish midsummer tradition.
very original take user
Midsommar threads on Yea Forums
>I didn't watch it but I saw a clip of the trailer and I have deduced that this movie is anti-white propaganda
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>anyone have a torrent yet??
>stop shilling this movie!! there's no way any of these threads or posts about a long-anticipated movie which just came out a week ago could possibly be genuine! it must be PAID SHILLS
If you watched the movie you'd realise that the cult is actually positively portrayed
I got the exact opposite feelings from it. I come from a big city, living just on the outside in a suburb, though I grew up poor. Here there is very little sense of community and everyone is an individual against one another or cliques vs cliques. I had a sense of wonderment at rural paganism, the tradition, strict adherence to culture and being a big family, the way they share emotion and pain and death rather than lay it on the individual and shame him/her for being open about it. It was beautiful.
It was almost hilarious how they all thought so little of her. The bf especially was a huge cunt, their dialogue after the party was classic manipulative behavior.
Dude he was a lazy ass flake. He didnt do anything for her. He just wanted to not rock the boat for his own sake. Remember all that shit about LOL WELL INVITE HER BUT SHE WONT ACTUALLY COME?
People think Dani is controlling? She spent the whole film being a doormat. Did you count how many times she apologizes or caves?
>I didn't watch it but I saw a clip of the trailer and I have deduced that this movie is anti-white propaganda
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you can be unintentionally controlling by being an emotional burden. it's justified, but that doesn't change its effect on the people around you. did you know most schizos get completely disowned by their families? It's because they lose hope and can't figure out how to help them. not saying it's right, but it's what happens.
I agree with most of your points but I think its less about Dani finding strength and more about the cult taking advantage of her weakness. This movie really showed how compelling that acceptance can be for lonely or damaged people and how they get indoctrinated. They offered emotional intimacy and thats what she was aching for.
Remember how she tried to distance herself from Pele when he expressed his sympathies? It was like she didnt even know how to handle it.
How was she controlling though? I just dont see it. The one time she compells Christian to do anything she apologizes and degrades herself to do it (their talk after the party where she begs him to stay).
>It was like she didnt even know how to handle it.
I think she was just completely broken by what happened and it was still too raw to make a perfunctory exchange like that about it. Even the word "family" triggered her when she was high.
She's really not being controlling. Put yourself in her shoes about the Sweden trip - if it's true that he never told her about it except in a vague passing "It would be cool to go some day", then her being a little surprised and wanting to have a conversation about why he decided not to tell her is more than fair. She's not even accusing him of anything. In fact I would go as far to say that it seems almost like she wants to know in what way she might be to blame for it so she can atone for that.
Either way, in adult relationships, you need to communicate with each other. He isn't capable of that. He avoids difficult conversations - he couldn't even dump her when we wanted to. Also, note how he tells her that her sister is manipulating her because Dani makes herself emotionally available. He clearly has a problem with that level of emotional connection, which is why he is completely unavailable to her beyond just being physically present and the general platitudes people make to try and soothe someone's pain. He doesn't understand her.
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She isn't controlling at all. She's desperate and clingy and forgives and enables his poor behavior because she doesn't want to lose him or be alone.
In reality, she should have dumped him for being a dull jerk. He should have dumped her because she didn't make him happy. Instead, they both stayed together and were unhappy. He stayed because it was easier and he is dull, and she stayed because she didn't want to be alone and wanted someone to support her.
i went and saw it tonight. i thought it was mostly good, pretty creepy. the most prevalent criticism i saw of it on Yea Forums before actually seeing it was some people saying it was anti-white propaganda or some shit, but i didn't see any more of that in this film than i did the wicker man. i wish they used the oracle and his incest bloodline more.
Only incels and /pol/tards think she is a controlling bitch, and think the last scenes are a YAAAAS KWEEN moment. She certainly isnt perfect but shes definitely being gaslighted by a selfish pussy. Can you imagine hearing your SO of 4 years is going off to a foreign country in a passing conversation at a party? Guy was a scumbag, unintentionally mostly. I still dont think he deserved his end but its a movie and supposed to be symbolic.
>you could really feel those 2+ hours
Could not disagree more. I had no idea the film was as long as it was when I walked out, and I saw a late as fuck showing (movie STARTED at 10:30pm).
The whole thing felt like a fever dream and was timeless to me. My immediate reaction was disgust and I felt like I didn't like it, but the more I thought about the movie the more I liked it.
That movie's not scary though
>their dialogue after the party was classic manipulative behavior
Jesus, this. I think a lot of Yea Forums hasn't been in a relationship like this, but I have, and it's pure fucking torture. Constantly questioning your own decisions and actions. "Am I being a cunt?" when you're being perfectly rational. Apologizing for something you didn't do, etc. etc.
Following your gut feelings in a relationship is seriously underrated and almost looked down upon in modern America. I felt infuriated after that post-party scene but also amused at how well that sort of manipulative behavior was captured. Dani was apologizing by the end of the scene. Classic.
>not liking something means i didn’t get it
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how isn't there a camrip yet
It’s been six years since I have gone to a movie theater and this is further confirmation that I can’t stand serious movies.
The dialogue and pacing were all so slow and a middle school kid could’ve guessed what was going to happen. Honestly, you could’ve cut out everything but the last five minutes of the intro and last five minutes of the movie and gotten the gist of the thing. About the only good thing to come out of this movie is that the setting is beautiful and reminds me of my local park where I run among beautiful flowers. I think I’ll run again tomorrow.
Triangles are the hipster shape OMG SYMBOLISM. It’s low effort cliche, nothing more
>t. picks them all stupid and backwards
Good points fer sure and I p much agree too. Although Hereditary is probably, all in all, a better movie, I like Midsommar more because it felt more ambitious in in story and scope.
How can one woman be so perfect?
How would someone go about making that mask... I’m asking for a friend
A good movie, very similar to The Wicker Man. Thoughts on the ‘oracle’ and any types of possible supernatural aspects? I feel like the Dani Christian relationship has been thoroughly discussed in this thread