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What was this supposed to be anyway?
Audrey's drug-induced memories of her lame ass husband. She was at a mental hospital after suffering a breakdown.
THE SHITPOST IT CAME OUT OF MY ASS
>fucks audrey in your path
nice fanclub losers
yikes
i'm gonna come in here and say judy, then you say we're not gonna talk about judy, then someone talks about judy and we post a picture of bowie screaming. well memed my friends, carry on
we're not gonna talk about Judy
Audrey is in a story and that guy is the author
>she's wearing a red hood like little red riding hood "little girl who lived down the lane"
>that guy is incredibly descriptive in everything he says, always describes everything physically, ("right here by the threshold,") like a writer would
>"do you want me to write you out of the story?"
Who were the woodsmen supposed to be?
I think the Woodsmen are a drone-like lower order of spirit created and/or programmed by BOB. They only repeat set phrases, don't have individually distinct appearances or personalities, and don't demonstrate any ability to act or think independently.
WILSONN HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I TOLD YOUUUU
THIS IS WHAT WE DO IN THE FBI
Sheryl Lee is wonderful and CUTE!!
These Audrey scenes were probably some of the more tense ones for some reasons. The struggle of just leaving ONE ROOM had me on edge. It felt like a far darker version of the opening parts of S2.
But how are they so powerful if they are lower in hierarchy? They can hypnotize, resurrect people, make you fall asleep, crush your head with ease, dissapear and appear at will and they are able to do all of this without possessing anyone. Don't get me wrong, they look like henchmen to me too, but it's a strange case of underlings being more powerful than the evil spirits that control them.
But Bob was himself created in that nuclear explosion wasn't he? They showed one of the big bubbles with his face.
BOB is the evil men do
A nuke is one of the biggest evils made by man in the past 60 years so it did not create him but it did attract and/or summon him
charlie is cute
they have all those powers but it seems like they don't have free will -- maybe it was taken from them by BOB or someone
>you're in prison and he sucks on your favorite domino
you are:3
best scene in all of twin peaks
THERE THEY ARE, ALBERT. GREAT HEADS OF STONE.
FACES OF STONE
shit I've been misquoting this line all along. still my favourite Twin Peaks moment though
It's okay, friend
HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
DOpgheu get comfy
wish we would've had some more Ray Wise
I am wrapping up s2 and will be streaming the return some nights over the next few weeks with a 20-30 count chat of Yea Forums fags. come say hi if you like
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>Twin Peaks
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so, white-hair Diane was an tulpa/evil copy of red-hair Diane, but was red-hair Diane dreamed into existence by Cooper?
What time?
Same. I miss him.
Jade give 2 rides
I BET SHE DID
*angry naommy noises*
the site's pretty fast a loose with scheduling since I'm only one of ~4 streamers and it's first come first serve for who wants to stream. In general though it would be NA nights ~9est or later.
We've got a steam group though and make announcements whenever something comes on so you don't miss, if you pick even pseudonym so we remember you we can try and accommodate some people day to day.
Is it a meta commentary of Lynch portraying how fucking irritating it was to work with an overdramatic mentally unstable cunt like Sherilyn Fenn?
Why is james such a fucking loser?
My theory is that he's her doctor in some psychiatric ward.
The way he behaves to her doesn't really sound like the way a husband acts, same with the questions and the way he agrees to take her to the bar almost like some kind of therapy thing.
She was just projecting him as her husband because she's nuts yo.
Cuz everyone treats him like a cool dude just because he has a motorcycle. If he were really cool he would sell drugs and shoot a guy like noted turbo-chad Bobby Briggs.
t. uncool loser
I've been rewatching the whole series and Bobby is one of the most loveable characters. I wish they had put him with Audrey since the Cooper-Audrey was banned by bitch Donna, I liked their chemistry.
Bobby is unironically one my favourites too. He's one of the few instances I've seen of the "he's troubled, but a good kid deep down" thing being done well.
I like how Cooper ended things with Audrey. He doesn't even deny that he's attracted to her, because he's too honest to do that, and spares her feelings and helps her see straight by pointing out "what you need now, more than anything else, is a friend who will listen" like an immaculate gentleman.
I think Coop was at fault for being to good. That made his doopleganger version even worse and just plain evil. Normal Coop should had balanced better both extremes and maybe he wouldn't had been lost in the black lodge.
I'm not sure that a person's goodness has any effect on how evil their doppelganger is, or if Black Lodge doppelgangers are all equally evil anyway. I think he was lost in the Lodge because even he was incapable of facing it "with perfect courage" like Hawk mentioned.
I havent even watched this show because the acting seemed like cringe larping. Is it worth it?
it's only the greatest thing ever produced in the medium of tv
Judging by your post, no. Go watch some war documentaries instead
The sort-of stilted soap opera-adjacent acting is part of the aesthetic. It grows on you and adds to the feeling of a fake world with something hidden behind it. It can be a little hard to get used to, but in 1.5 episodes or so you should be in the groove of it.
The Audrey we see in the room is a tulpa
Mr. C. was clearly Cooper but with his desires and violence unleashed. I think Lynch generally likes to contrast the controlled and stoic part of the main characters against the wild and uncontrolled part of themselves (the latter at appearing at times as manifestations like other characters)
Something Coop says to Audrey is a good illustration of the divide between Cooper and Mr. C:
"What I want and what I need are two different things"
as opposed to Mr. C's "I don't need anything. I want"
Both sides of the same coin.
This is what I thought. Bad coop made a tulpa of diane and audrey after banging them.
>the divide between Cooper and Mr. C
Mr. C is an aspect of Cooper. The divide is between Mr. C and Dougie Jones (who is Cooper's needs personified)
His coolness is canon now. I bet you feel like a loser.
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If by larping you mean "knife-edge parody of soap opera schlock", then you'd be correct. Up until that point there hadn't really been a show which toyed between serious police procedural and soap opera in that way that TP did. Couple that with Lynch's whacky dream/cinematic logic and you have a stone cold classic
Yeah Mr. C is definitely an inversion of Cooper, like they both work in organizations rather than alone and they both have a good deal of self-control. To me it seems like the person's qualities determine what kind of evil the doppelganger does, rather than a "quantity" of evil.
But there aren't really any other detailed examples of doppelgangers like Mr. C to compare if an extremely good person has a correspondingly extremely evil doppelganger, while a moderately good person's doppelganger would be only moderately evil.
Indeed
I see what you mean, but I think it's more complex than that. DougieCoop (not the original Dougie Jones tulpa) is like Good Coop distilled, broken down to his core essence.
>Mr. C is an aspect of Cooper.
Right, but who IS Cooper?
I think it's Richard. I'm leaning more and more towards the Good Coop having been his dream, idealized self all along.
James has always been cool
>post yfw Audrey’s Dance starts playing in the Roadhouse
Audry was in a coma after the season 2 ending explosion right? Could she have woken up?
what's the distinction between DougieCoop and "the original Dougie Jones tulpa"? was there ever a separate, organic Dougie Jones?
Dougie Jones and Cooper are ultimately the same person– Dougie is not Cooper's needs personified, its Cooper in his most enlightened form, a Cooper who finds success simply as a leaf, allowing himself to be carried by the stream of creation. Mr C. is what happens when you take the worst elements of Cooper's nature, albeit with all his unnecessary desires unloaded onto the tulpa Douglas Jones (presumably Mr C no longer rapes women because Douglas Jones has all his lustful or gluttonous qualities). You could make the same case for the Diane tulpa too.
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The guy in the yellow coat who got dissolved in the Lodge wasn't Coop in any meaningful sense.
"Dougie Coop" is not Dougie Jones, he's just a "sleeping" Cooper dropped into Dougie's life. Not his body, mind you.
Calling him Dougie Jones after the tulpa he replaced just muddles the waters
Mr. C seems to pretty clearly have desires too if "I don't need. I want" is anything to go by. But it seems like Mr. C is driven by a desire for control and dominance, while Dougie is a creature of need, including sexual needs, but he has no desires and so he is basically helpless. Mr. C can still be a rapist out of his desire for power even if he has no sexual needs.
was Dougie Jones an ordinary person to begin with? did he "look almost exactly like" Dale Cooper ("doesn't she look almost exactly like Laura Palmer?") in a supernatural or symbolically meaningful way? or are all versions and iterations of Dougie Jones "manufactured" in some way?
I think the books covered that she woke up after three weeks and then Mr C raped her.
No, I don't think there was ever a "real", distinct person named Dougie Jones, that's just the name of the tulpa Mr. C created as a part of his plan to avoid getting sucked back into the Lodge. But ultimately, I dunno. All of that is just vague and weird enough to not have a concrete answer, like many things in this show.
yeah I'm still trying to get my head around how the plot of Season 3 revolved around the villain trying to circumvent the rules of something that barely has comprehensible rules to begin with
For me it's Annie
how is she btw? I heard that might be important.
An obvious point about the plot in S3, which many seem to miss for some reason(being used to more conventional writing is probably that reason), is that characters usually have a lot more information than the viewer, and how they came by this information often isn't even touched upon, and yet it makes perfect sense in an abstract way. Cooper spent a quarter of a century in the Lodge. We don't know anything about anything, which is why it gets to me how many assumptions about everything people like to make. And then I've seen questions like "How did Cooper know that 430 meant 430 miles" or whatever and that's just absolutely dense. Those people should probably be watching something else.
Also, Mr. C was never the true villain. Ultimately, he turned out to be lost and in over his head too.
And then Lynch took what had seemed to be the plot, and stepped completely outside and beyond it in Part 17 and 18. We live inside a dream.
Not so well from what I've heard.
yeah the "extra information" thing is always present. I really liked how this was shown with the scene of Carl and Mick talking. Mick never shows up besides this one scene but everything he says (about his wife, dealing with Veterans Affairs, needing a new wheelchair etc) is so detailed and specific that it seems like he's being built up to be a major character later, but he never shows up. Mick and Carl just know each other already, and this conversation isn't happening for the audience.
It's hard to explain though how appreciating the deeply intuitive, though irrational, "dream logic" of Twin Peaks is different from just uncritically liking everything about it.
What’s his problem?
does he have a problem, or does THE WORLD have a problem??
>It's hard to explain though how appreciating the deeply intuitive, though irrational, "dream logic" of Twin Peaks is different from just uncritically liking everything about it.
I agree. There are a lot of things I wish were different, but at the same time I love the whole of it so much I might as well like it uncritically. At the end of the day, nothing is perfect, but this sure is something very, very special.
Kek I now remember this meme
makes sense, but how does that fit the meta plot though?
Good times on Yea Forums. Dougie kino
Who the hell knows
I’m confused as to why he is acting so odd.
because he's basically a homunculus
Are Black Lodge spirits space aliens?
How did he become that way?
he's a weird artificial being. he was never a normal person.
So he’s an entirely different person from Agent Cooper?
sort of? it's not really clear what his exact relationship with Cooper is. he was "manufactured", possibly using some portion or portions of Cooper's being
>S1>Everything else
They were shown to exist before BOB was created.
Judy gave birth / created him after the explosion, it's in the episode
Ah that makes sense. Why does the fork in the outlet makes him act like agent Cooper again. Is it Cooper traveling through the electricity?
What the fuck are you talking about?
The image at the start of the reply chain is Cooper. Not the tulpa
Ignore the user you're talking to, he's confused.
He's asleep, in some spiritual sense. MIKE even tells him to "wake up". And when he does wake up, "you're awake. Finally."
The Return > S2 Finale > FWWM > S1 > S2
OK, so maybe BOB didn't "manufacture" the Woodsmen, but it's possible that he enslaved them with trickery or magic, or they came to worship him. Maybe they're older and more powerful beings than BOB, but less intelligent or wilful than him
the "birthing" view is definitely valid, but really, we see a small ball with BOB's face on it, kind of like the one with Laura's face in (presumably) the White Lodge. so maybe he hasn't been "birthed" or "created", but maybe "released" from some other state or dimension
the image "is Cooper" in what sense? is it Cooper's original body? Cooper's "soul" (or most of it?) is trapped in the Purple Sea dimension at this point iirc
He spent 25 years trapped in a place without the logic of the real world.
My opinion is that he, intentionally or instinctively, put his conscious mind to sleep as a defense mechanism.
No it doesn't make sense, because that user is talking out of his ass.
The fork in the outlet woke him up, but it was Cooper who came out from the purple place through the outlet into Vegas in Part 3. He took the place of the tulpa Dougie Jones, and sleepwalked his way through most of the season until he regained his consciousness in the hospital bed in Part 16.
Guys, I've been rewatching the whole series and... I'm sorry, I'm not sure how to tell you this but after s2ep09 the series has become peak comfy for me. I just wish there was more time and episodes for the retarded but comfy storylines..
david lunch lol
that's fine user
so the one who put the fork in the outlet was the tulpa Dougie Jones, allowing Cooper's soul to pass through into Dougie's body. but is the siginificance of of it being Jones in particular related to Dougie maybe being partially made from Cooper's essence or something? I'm still hung up on why Dougie looks like Cooper
S3 = FWWM > S2 Lynch episodes = S1 Lynch episodes > S1 other episodes > S2 other episodes
For me the woodsmen are the dugpas (sorcerers mentiones by windom earle) or just damned souls serving the lodge in general. BOB and co. aren't as connected to our world as the souls of these dead people, so they can't do all the sick shenanigans that woodsmen can and have to possess people/houses to work in our world and so they bless the damned souls with some of their power and make them do their bidding when it's needed.
Oh my God, user. Have you seen the show or are you only pretending?
But Laura too was created as some sort of counter to BOB's evil being released.
The Fireman make her soul with his own essence.
You either didn't read the post you're replying or you're trolling him.
Secret History has a sections where 8 woodsmen die in early Twin Peaks history due to a random fire. Could they be the same ones? I count 8 at the convenience store. Could be their malevolent spirits.
Probably related, yeah. BOB is a fire spirit right?
Reading these comments I know realize that I’m was so wrong In my interpretations.
Interpretations are supposed to vary from autism to autism. I'm sure yours are interesting though not as fundametalistically retarded as more serious Twin Peak fans.
it was a while ago so my memory is kind of jumbled
how did the fork incident "wake him up" (him = Cooper), but also cause Cooper to "come through" the outlet? was the "awakened" being Cooper's soul in the purple dimension, or was it a bit of Cooper in the forked body (which is Dougie's body, so that Cooper can replace him) that woke up?
or is "waking up" simply the same thing as passing through the dimensional barrier and taking Dougie's place?
to be clear I'm not trying to imply that you're wrong, I just want to know your thought process (maybe it'll help jog my own memory since I really need that)
BOB's bubble scene seems like it's involuntary, natural or inevitable in some way, unlike Laura's, so the processes might not be parallel. but "is it future? or is it past?" etc, so maybe there's not really an order to the two events
horrible timing 0/10
Most "theories" and interpretations that you will find on the internet are pants on head retarded anyway. This show isn't a large puzzle to be solved, although there are certainly elements of that. It is a mystery, but it's not the kind of mystery that has an answer you will find that will unlock everything. It's a mystery in the purest sense, in that it isn't "resolved", it can't be. The mystery itself is the focus.
We live inside a dream.
You need to give the show a rewatch.
yeah, evidently. I didn't realize how much stuff I forgot
Best part of s02
Okay, lemme give you a quick recap, picture also related.
We see Cooper in the purple place, it's 2:53, time to leave. Then we see the Doppelganger in the car. He's supposed to get pulled back into the Lodge, and Cooper is supposed to come out. But it turns out the Doppelganger has created a tulpa(who's named Dougie Jones) who's fucking some black chick in Vegas. He(it? what even is a tulpa? don't ask me) gets pulled into the Lodge instead of the Doppelganger. Cooper then goes into the electrical device in the purple place and comes out the eletrical socket in Vegas in an almost catatonic state and assumes Dougie's place, and just sort of drifts along in Dougie's life, sleepwalking. The fork in the electrical socket way later wakes him up and he's finally fully conscious in his body. Before Lynch flips the whole plot on its head, enter the finale.
But seriously, you should watch it again. I want to do the whole 18 hour thing in one go sometime this summer.
Have you seen that penguin?
It was nice to see in S3 that he actually becomes a good man.
It's a shame Audrey was shit in that season.
The Fireman make her soul with his own essence
are we all in agreement that the fireman and that lady are supposed to representation of lakshmi and vishnu right? the light house in the middle of the ocean, vishnu rests on a multi headed serpent in the middle of the ocean
>/tpg/ is up
>too sleepy to post
oh well
At least you got to post a CUTE pic
>are we all in agreement that the fireman and that lady are supposed to representation of lakshmi and vishnu right?
no
and it's not a light house
How do you get a Janey-E wife, anons?
sweet dreams, user
What did Jacoby incentivize the southern behaviour?
Woah
thanks! that sounds right. a bunch of stuff is coming back to me now, like how there were no records of Dougie before the 90s, and how Dougie seemed to behave like a normal person.
I think my memory was distorted because of the lack of concern or interest shown when sleepwalking Cooper takes his place, which gave an impression that Dougie was weird and spaced out anyway and blended them together in my mind
Janey-E mentions Doug was in a car accident and since then, he acts oddly for short periods of time every now and then.
Everyone who knew him probably thought it was just that.
Do women really like pee that much?
idk, had to be at least one scene of Jacoby being competent as a psychiatrist, instead of his usual "DID YOU CRY, BOBBY??" bullshit
oh yeah, the car crash. I still thought it was really weird how there was so little attention paid to his psychological and neurological health. Even if he had these erratic episodes, it would seem that they were clearly getting worse and more common. that's probably the only thing I'd really change about the Return: maybe have him go to a therapist or something every once in a while
you're taking it too seriously, the absurdist humor was a large part of it, the whole world adjusting and conforming to his behavior rather than the other way around
/r/ing Sheryl lying on floor with boots up in the air
She does make an appointment with the doctor after he's been acting weird for several days.
yeah I get the absurd humour aspect, but it seemed really jarring with a lot of the more serious real-world stuff. the idea of this dude who's basically a lobotomy patient getting taken seriously would be a good idea for a short film or something but it's really discordant as part of a sprawling TV show, especially as a central element. and besides, going to a therapist has plenty of comedic potential. it's not like this ruined the show or anything, it was just kind of annoying
yeah, though if I remember right (and I probably don't) the doctor stuff is really brief
The reason it seems like cringe larping is because they all live inside a dream
> JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP SENPAI
Here's your Donna, bro.
HELL GOD BABY DAMN YES WHAT AN ABSOLUTE CUTIE
reminder that Carl Rodd was a psychic, but more importantly, he was a total bro
God youre fucking retarded. Just watch the show, if you need it explained, there's no hope for you
*giggles at you*
It was explained in the show retard. He hoped Ben's mind would fix itself if they played along, which it did
Judy is fire
the woodsmen are smoke
bob walks with fire
the fireman puts it out
What about Mike?
if Judy is fire, how does that relate to the fires seen above the slot machines, or when the kid gets run over in the trailer park? Maybe it's a sign of danger/excitement?
>the fireman puts it out
you could say he Preserves order
hmmm who do we know that preserves OH YES Vishnu the Fireman is Vishnu CHECK MATE
He too was touched by the devilish one (judy)
but once he saw the face of God (the fireman) he tore off the arm which sported the 'fire walk with me' tatoo
plot twist: the entire FBI is Vishnu
What's the deal with Twin Peaks angels Yea Forums? Where do they come from? What do they do? What are they?
Is Laura a literal angel?
>no Vedderfags
>no Frenloposter
>no CUTEposter
>no bobeposter
>no schizo theoryfags
This is not the real /tpg/
bobe.. u killd mike xD
Sheryl Lee is CUTE!
there, is that better?
what are vedderfags supposed to do? there's no place for a vedderfag in current year
>This is not the real /tpg/
problem? of course you do.
Cerebral
Bump
He's dead, Jim.
jade give two rides
james sings like a BITCH
This
TWO RIDES!!!???