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dany

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Cutest

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>Gifts a dragon to a stark
Has any targeryen ever done anything like that

Ned would have probably been to dead inside to go south

DUMB WHORE WITH A FAT ASS

>Okay, if you defy me this time, Jon, I am really, really going to be mad at you! No take backs!

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muh king
muh queen

The ending that was promised

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I hated how convenient it was that it got worded that way just to give Cersei an excuse to completely hate Tyrion while being oblivious to the fact that it could refer to Jaime or to literally any other younger brother

Fat whore with a double chin*

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Imagine existing just to be a Targ cumdump house for when they don't feel like fucking other Targs.

Based, I'm with you bro

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What if Jon stays dead in the books?

he won't, user. george isn't that subversive

The night king deserved her more than jon

Sounds like a dream, desu.
You are basically guaranteed to get some royal puss.

It's amazing how much cutting Faegon/Young Griff ruins the entire storyline, he seems like a dipshit side character but without him nothing Varys or Tyrion do both season 4 makes any sense.

Also Dany's entire vision of the Mummer's Dragon is pointless. Oldtown becomes irrelevant, and with it is Euron.

A Dream of Spring will never be released, so we can all have our own happy endings.

Except for Stannisfags. He is definitely dying.

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Mel says she sees a boy, a wolf and then a man. Everyone knew she was going to bring him back way before the show did it.

wrong idiot

He’ll be set free from this pointless tale. Lucky him.

He’s either going to die without burning his daughter or he will win at Winterfell and be victorious before he kills his daughter and then dies. Either scenario is better than killing his daughter then getting btfo like the show.

He was def the unsung hero of the book series.
Based young griff keeping the story together.

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Sounds comfy

Careful user, careful

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>he actually thinks the series will wrap up in just 2 books
Lmao

Yeah, some random kid whose biggest accomplishment is getting gift wrapped an army by his sugar daddy right after the entire realm killed itself is the real hero of the story.

Book ending will be Stannis becoming king, Jon and Dany running away to the house with red door, Rickon Lord of Winterfell, Brann being a tree in bumfuck nowhere and Sansa dead

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She cute!

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Pic related.
George knows he fucked up and that his ending is shit. The series won't be wrapped up in 3000 pages.

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What does Aegon have to do with oldtown and Euron? Oldtown is relevant for the Faceless Men story and the Others. Euron is relevant to pretty much everything.

George originally wanted a trilogy and then it expanded to 5 books, there's no way he's gonna end it in 2, but he lost interest in it regardless

Sounds kino

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Why did he even make a hundred thousand prophecies if he had no idea where to take the story?

Have some respect for your king!

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Yes, better than the negative chemistry Jon and Dany had.

He plants seeds and then sees what grows. If he likes it it leads to something, if it doesn't it's a red herring

Was GRRM really just Sneed all along?

I saw the alt shift x video a couple years ago introducing it and since then I just assumed that's what would happen, but I'm actually happier it didn't. Cersei is less of a monster in the show and her and Jaime dying together lovingly is kinda touching

I miss Emilia

>COME WITH ME AND TAKE THIS aaaggghhh....

Fixed

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was darkstar in the show?

Cersei betrayed life itself and didn't deserve a "touching" ending.

She's still around

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Yes, he is the new prince of Dorne

>k-kissing Emilia totally made me gag, she's my friend I don't like her like that, don't worry rose

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Isn't two bastard kings enough?

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>One realm
>One god
>One aaaggghhh...

>Simple
>as

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Would've been too kino for the normie audience to handle

Not to mention introduced right before the fourth act. Even more obvious to have a tragic downfall than Stannis

really? may have to watch to see how it plays out

Because he has been literally foreshadowed from the beginning. He's the opposite of Robb and NEd who seemed like Main characters but in the end they amounted to nothing.

Being introduced in the first book doesn't mean people will warrant endgame. GRRM is being submersive.

AAAAGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH

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haha

See

Tree Wizard needs six dollars and forty-eight cents.

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>GRRM is being submersive.
Is he a submarine?

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I wouldn't mind cersei and Jaime just drifting apart I always hated him killing her, it was a bit too sympathetic in the show though imo. Them giving it to Jon and Dany still makes me seethe

Having an ostensible side character introduced in the fifth book affect the plot in a major way is subverting expectations. Having that character be the main hero of the entire story is just shitty writing, and obviously not what grrm is going for

WATCH IT, RENLY

Thousands.

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>Thousaaaggghhh....

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Even if he dies because Dany is a nutjob, he'll be written in history as the last Targ king people wanted and Dany will be remembered as a crazy pyro tyrant like her father.

He won't be the hero of the story. See what this user said here, and I agree: Everyone (aka Dany crazy stants) keep bashing him, but he'll end up in a better place than her. Because so far his flaws and his shortcomings aren't even that huge, just expected for a teenager and he's already foreshadowed to be loved by the people unlike Dany.

>blackfyre
Also I think fAegon will do something fucked up to subvert the whole "da perfect ruler" thing. Just a hunch though

Griff is a coward
>The broken bone was speckled with brown blood, but still he lurched forward, reaching for Young Griff. His hand was grey and stiff, but blood oozed between his knuckles as he tried to close his fingers to grasp. The boy stood staring, as still as if he too were made of stone. His hand was on his sword hilt, but he seemed to have forgotten why.

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What does that have to do with the statement that she established her own dynasty being false?

It'll be disappointing if he just does well, that's what everyone is expecting, he's a privileged rich kid raised to rule and gifted everything he has with no ruling experience, sends a shitty message especially from George who grew up poor himself. George himself says merely being a good man doesn't make you a good king

>it's a Sansa betrays her family episode

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Hey doesn't he have Blackfyre in the preview chapters? Or am I just making that up? Been forever since I've read anything

Like how Dany conveniently got dragon eggs on her lap by the same sugar daddy? Without her dragons, she'll likely be dead by now and nobody would give a fuck. She's literally useless without her dragons.

You're making that up.

It's his first kill, in fact that he reacts that way shows he's not as crazy as Dany who burned a slave alive.

I thought it was hilarious he suddenly commented on the internet being toxic after he kept trying to take credit for the ending before the season.

Fatty before the season
>can't wait for fans to talk about my series afterward

Fatty after the season
>you know what, the internet is just so toxic

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I just find it retarded that he has actually got fans, he is just a rushed version of what Viserys/Dany were supposed to be. And I lost all fucking respect for Varys as a character after his retarded speech about how he is going to save the realm by starting yet another war because some new kid no one knows about should be king because he got a good education.

As if all those incompetent Targ kings and Joff weren't educated on history, faith, swordfighting and all that other shit that's supposed to make a good ruler.

She lost her child and husband and risked dying to hatch them, they were just expensive paperweight until she took the initiative, not at all comparable to an army. Illyrio had her sold to dothraki while Aegon was sitting on a ship reading

>blackfyre
So Targs by other name and, even if he is, he'll be accounted on history as the real deal who was murdered by his crazy powerhungry aunt just as a lipservice to Dorne. He's there to subvert Dany's existence because Martin knows fans wanted her to be the chosen dragon by the people only to show it's Aegon instead.

Come now, after Red Wedding and Ned's decapitation you shouldn't expect Dany would get anything even a good place in history.

imagine how dumb someone has to be to rate the long night higher than the last 3 episodes of the season. the long night is by far the worst episode in the entire show

You don't like a preteen tree wizard as king, bro? Don't you know that the best stories are about the human heart in conflict?

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Fuck Varys

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>he's a privileged rich kid raised to rule
He worked with his hands among the small folk. Did you even read the description? He's indeed free of trauma which makes him... far more better prospect than some traumatized self entitled dragon queen who is mumbling about fire and blood and who ruined the economy of every place she set her claws on.

It shows he's a sheltered coward who froze up defending himself

>the long night is by far the worst episode in the entire show
The Long Night is one of the worst episodes of television I have ever watched. The only good things were the dragon fight (which we could barely see) and Jon leaving Sam's fatass to die (which didn't matter). It was retarded and cringy.

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Is Sansa the most treasonous character in the series?

>Betrays Arya when she lies about Micah
>Betrays Ned in the books when she tells Cersei about his plans to send them away
>Betrays Joffery by conspiring behind his back and unwittingly is part of the plan to murder him
>Betrays her husband Tyrion by escaping and leaving him alone to be tried for Joffery's murder
>Betrays her next husband Ramsay by generally conspiring behind his back
>Betrays Jon by lying to him about Rickon and Littlefinger
>Betrays Littlefinger by having him killed with no evidence
>Betrays Jon again by breaking her promise i front of the weirwood tree and making him kill his waifu
>Betrays Bran by insisting on Northern independence

The Bells was almost kino. It sucks that nothing immediately before or after it made sense and that they failed to give a real motive for Dany going sicko mode, because the episode itself was epic

>blackfyre
If he is, it literally doesn't matter because Aegon isn't storming in and expecting people of Westeros to eat his shit because he's a Targ, unlike Dany (who has a delusional vision of how she'll be greeted and praised thanks to her brother passing that delusion). He's going for the right to conquest. Meaning if he conquers King's Landing, he's on the throne, simply as that. And for what Dany foresaw: *people will want him as the ruler* All that "nobody loves me waaaah" pityfest that was badly written in the show about the north will be her reaction to Westeros rejection to her but their support to Young Griff. You can bet on it.

He gave a little girl some petrified stones no one but her really thought could become something great. Was he there walking with her across the Red Waste too? Like every character started with something to take on their journey, even poor little Jon Snow, was educated alongside nobles, hence he felt so advanced among these other plebs.

>worked with his hands among the small folk
Yeah sure thing, I totally believe trustworthy varys, I also believe he was hunted and chased while they were sheltering him on a boat with servants and teachers. He didn't actually have to do any real work just cause he might've toured the real world a few times

Of course she'd be useless but fAegon is just a knock-off rushed version of Dany's character without the only two things that make her interesting: the dragons and being a hot girl.

And? She didn't sacrifice them for her dragons consciously, unless you mean Sansa should have gotten a flying ice breathing wolf because she lost her father. She convently got her dragons and all her actions is about her dragons or hiding behind her dragons, she's absolutely worthless without them.

Also "selling her to the drothkai" was how she became their queen for a while and got troops. Just stop making excuses. She's got her experience of power thanks to Illyrio.

Walking across the Red Waste doesn't qualify her as a good ruler. Specially because she risked her people she had only for her fucking vision of conqueror.

Kevan was a good guy

Bells was shit, 3rd worst episode behind iron throne and long night

>I also believe he was hunted and chased
Nobody hunted and chased them though UNTIL they heard about her kid, those were her brother's paranoid tales. Again being unlucky doesn't qualify you as a good ruler. If being raped and having trauma makes you a good queen, Cersei who was raped and beaten by Robbert must be great huh?

I love the brutality of The Bells, but like you said, it didn't make any sense. Varys didn't make sense. Jon didn't make sense (why was he on Dragonstone?). Tyrion didn't make sense. Arya ate up screentime for no reason. Cleganebowl didn't make sense and was pointless, since both of them were going to die anyway. Qyburn's death was awesome. Euron's fight with Jaime was retarded. Cersei getting a sympathetic death was lame.

But Lannishits were killed. Did you see that guy get both of his hands chopped off? That was fucking awesome.

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theon and jorah had good deaths. the rest was total shit.
i thought the bells was great, the explanation for dany going on a rampage was flimsy, but the actual destruction of the place was great. while watching it i had this sickening sinking feeling because they did a surprisingly good job of showing a city getting sacked and destroyed and how its just an orgy of murder and rape. the show was missing that level of brutality for a very long time

>He's going for the right to conquest.
By conquering empty lands whose armies are currently busy dealing with other problems.

>some waifufag thinks someone's pet and having tits make people "interesting"
Kek.

I personally think Aegon's interesting because he's the only character of the book who isn't nursing some dark trauma. He's kind of "normal" so far.

She didn't conveniently get them she risked suicide after massive loss on blood intuition. Illyrio let her live on the streets with viserys and sold her off she succeeded in spite of him, he was trying to position her and viserys as villains for faegon to save westeros from. Of course dragons are a central part of her character, who cares

That's just now, but you know when Dany get there, he'll have it all right? She saw in her veision the crowd proclaiming cheerfully for a dragon banner. It's not hers, it's gonna be him.

It would have been an amazing episode if the context around it didn't ruin everything. It was super well-directed and well-scored and choreographed, and it did an amazing job of depicting how underestimated the power of a dragon was, and having Cersei's whole world collapse and devolve into a bloodfest. The problem is they had to massively nerf scorpions, which were OP in the last episode, and didn't give Dany any motive when they easily could have, which kinda ruined its plot points as story elements.

I know that though. And doesn't matter. Because the dragons are the threats to Westeros like the Others, Dany having them and being associated with him (with her own dehumanization monologues) would make her an antagonist for the cast over Aegon. Do you realize this right? You do realize why someone safe and educated like Aegon would be an ideal for King for the Westerossi over a rude and ignorant over traditions of everywhere she goes, savage-surrounded dragon queen?

The Bells was just as retarded as the Long Night, if not more. If you like big explosions, then it's for you, but other than that, holy hell was it stupid with laser beam dragon. When you're too busy wondering about the story, it sort of takes away from much of what's going on on-screen. The story never gave you a single reason to care about the common folk, in fact, they do the opposite by having Euron and Jaime tell you they're just a retarded bunch that like watching people get killed.

Yeah and faegon never was either, Dany actually believed she was and lived that way even though it was viserys' delusions and then later all that was confirmed for her. Just being sheltered and not having any bad experiences making you a good ruler is stupid just like trauma making you a good ruler

i think it went down like this. grrm told them that dany sacks and destroys KL with her army, so D&D knew where she had to end up. problem is they can't write for shit, so everything leading up to the rampage is very flimsy and it doesn't really make sense. they just wanted to rush it through because they were sick of the show

Goblin getting killed 10 times and surviving, comically bad writing like euron "I'm the man who killed Jaime lannister" and goblin riding off on a horse, nonsensical plot like the red keep being empty even though cersei made a point she was putting human shields in there, Cleganebowl ruined, pretentious war is hell message of peasants burning for 50 minutes straight

Having a normal childhood and education, but also an experience to mingle and work with smallfolk (aka being aware of their needs and wants) make you potentially a good ruler. His flaws are normal for someone of his age, he immediately corrects himself and takes Tyrion's advice despite his kneejerk reaction. Him cooling his head and double guessing despite the wishes and plans of the mummer (Vayrs) shows he can grow to be a good leader eventually.

Dany's experience with power is so far, well, negative. She's a pisspoor administrator, terrible when she acts as judge, and she's only good at one thing: conquering. She has zero education and all her 'accomplishments' (bar getting dragons and troops) are usually overturned. She abolished slavery! But, huh, immediately allows it again, but she has it taxed on her favor. She's coming across as a hypocrite, it's just never criticized because the POV of her actions is merely hers who is blind to realize her faults.

This doesn't mean Aegon will end up as King in the end, Bran will be. But when history is written, he'll be cast as the King who Could have Been. And Dany as the Tyrant who killed him and burned King's Landing.

I'm not even saying Dany would be a good queen but faegon won't be a good king. The dragons are tiny George making them apocalyptic threats is retarded just cause he was inspired by a Robert Frost poem years ago. And slavery isn't a respectable tradition and George himself has written about this in previous books though she obviously could've done better

i dont see whats pretentious about showing what happens when a city gets slaughtered?

>If you like big explosions, then it's for you, but other than that, holy hell was it stupid with laser beam dragon.
I was watching this episode with my mom, who barely saw the show, and even she was wondering how Drogon could be so goddamn destructive. He was Godzilla with wings and the most dangerous thing on the planet (unless he is dealing with wights, then he is retarded).

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>he's the only character of the book who isn't nursing some dark trauma. He's kind of "normal" so far.
Not having much characterization so far doesn't make for a good one.

I don't like Dany very much, hate everything involving Slaver's Bay and hate how she got her dragon eggs just as an expensive wedding gift from someone that apparently intended to marry her off to an entirely different king all along.

But fAegon being yet another Targ that gets handed stuff by Viserys/Daenerys richest sponsor and successfully invades Westeros before Dany even leaves Meereen cheapens everything about Dany's storyline. Why should we care about everything she has done to gain her armies, to learn how to rule, to learn how to use her dragons when some other Targ does it in like 4 chapters.

Aegon has literally no real ruling experience, him being a good ruler just cause he had a good childhood and is temperate and educated is retarded just like aragorn being a good king because, it's not something Martin is gonna do. Dany actually didn't do too bad in mereen, yeah she lets slaves who want to sell themselves do it and take a commission, that's called compromise, she gets peace she just gets fucked over by the shavepate and other idiots around her and it's gonna go to shit in the next book, unless it doesn't we'll see

he does the same type of stuff in the carriage train battle so i dont know why youre surprised at how destructive drogon is.

Dany is allowing slavery back but now she taxes it on her favor. That's the thing, what she thinks she is and what she does contradicts her vision of herself. Did you forget Mirri was her SLAVE? She is and has always been a Master.

Whatever Aegon would be or not be doesn't fucking matter. The guy will be loved and wanted, and he'll die before he has a chance to mess up badly. Dany meanwhile is set up by a big downfall, including the destruction of King's Landing. The books and songs will be written tragedy what ifs about Aegon, and cast Dany as a one dimensional villain. We, the readers, know Dany's entire story but do you think the average westerossi would know or care? That's a very GRRM ending for her. On the same vein of "Robb became like the wind" after his death. "Words are wind" meaning Robb had no impact by his actions.

50 minutes of city getting skaughtered isn't profound at all, it's shock value WAR BAD crap, an even battle with Cersei actually planning and putting up a fight would be better and get the same result

Not him but it's really inconsistent. Look at how few wights three dragons working together kill when they dead are packed in together in one location, or two dragons against the dead outside of Winterfell. But then one dragon can burn an entire city in 15 minutes

First, we literally have no idea if he'll be good or bad, because he's not yet ruling. You claiming he's bad without backing up with "uhh he didn't have an abusive background!" as the reason why he would be bad is absolutely stupid. He's not wrapped in his trauma, and that's GOOD. I wouldn't follow an emotionally unstable nutjob.

Aragorn didn't have any education was King, he was a ranger. He had all those hardships Dany endured, by the way. And Martin thinks that doesn't make someone a king.

Meereen's entire economy is ruined. How the fuck isn't that doing badly?And she's so morally corrupted, she backs away from her ideals for money but only AFTER she has no solution to give to Meereen. It's not a compromise it's being desperate move because she failed to actually provide an alternative economy to Meereen. She failed as the "Breaker of Chains." She has literally no idea what she's doing. Also did you forget she reacted bad to the traditions of the place? Dany is a conqueror, not a queen.

>Mirri was her SLAVE
What is character development. The lazareen experiences are part of what drives her to hate slavery, but she compromised later by letting older people sell themselves back, those people weren't in such bad positions as slaves in the first place, probably had good masters and we're good house slaves, she just takes a cut because that's smart. I don't care if she's remembered as a villain but faegon being a Mary Sue plot device character is stupid

that was in season 6. every season the dragons get a bump in power, if you didn't notice. in season 7 drogon blows the shit out of that train of carriages in one sweep.

nah there was nothing wrong with it, it was just showing a city getting slaughtered. you can complain about that muh war is bad thing in every battle scene in the show if you want to play that game...

It's pretentious because the director of the episode doesn't even seem entirely convinced why the city really had to burn other than his boss told him to like they fucked over the Long Night and he also said the Long Night is their fault. They needed to shove in some anti-war message in the last hours in a show that spent much of its life glorifying war and murdering people. It's just clumsy and became immersion breaking, since the story had just gotten out of hand.

He won't be a Mary Sue plot device. He's got flaws, but those are to his character. But on the perspective of history after all end, he being drunk and angry insulting Tyrion won't fucking matter when Dany burns him and King's Landing. Who the fuck do you think history will write as the "Terrible" and who would you think will go down as "Loved but tragecally lost?" Life isn't fair. It sucks.

Note I'm just pointing this out because it's inevitable now. Cersei had bad rep, but Aegon is foreshadowed to be cheered and wanted by the crowd, and Dany's descend to paranoia and bitterness wouldn't be done if she won't be overshadowed.

You can thank Tyrion over this by the way. Imagine if Aegon had gone to Dany, false or real, it doesn't fucking matter. Even if he's a Blackfyre, he he's a Targ with dragon blood and LOOKS. He also sounds like a virgin so she could have seduced him. Dany would have ruled with him and she'd have been made aware about Westerossi traditions more, she would have had Varys, and Dorne, and others. She would have the Golden Company who are WESTEROSSI in exile and not just an army of savages and the Unsullied which would be unsettled the population but with the Golden Company is different. Ironically, Tyrion fucked her over.

Exactly you don't know that he will be good just cause he was educated and raised well, he's a coward with no grit, the books aren't out yet so it can go either way. Martin said aragorn wouldn't be a good king just because they said he was good, not because he was traumatized by being a ranger, aegon is a trope of a perfect prince similar to aragorn. No the economy wasn't ruined, the slavers were willing to make peace with her in the end, and economy isn't a huge concern when it comes to freedom and giving people their humanity. She's not ghiscari and she's being poisoned by people into thinking the peace isn't real, that's why she hates the traditions, it's totally understandable

>Dany is supposed to look like shit compared to fAegon
>meanwhile for George's favorite House
>the pretender was being forced to pretend then got raped and abused by evil evil Boltons that just leads to Northerners conspiring to save her
>she also conveniently escapes and someone knows where to find Rickon so House Stark never has to deal with a popular usurper House or a popular pretender and looking like shit in comparison
George is a hack and his favoritism ruins the books and messages

This if GRRM wanted Dany to win, Aegon would have gone to her and they would hook up and become a front. Even if he's a Blackfyre, they are Targs, that were only left aside because of Westerossi not wanting to acknowledge a king having two wives (she would have finally united the family again through their union and gaining the Golden Company without needing Illyrio), not like Westeros needed to know, his claim would be hers; Aegon is still sheltered and naive and she would have controlled him. If she wants Jon later, she could have done a Reverse Aegon, and get her silverly haired "bride" and now a black haired one. She has 3 dragons after all, she can have two husbands - let Jon handle the North and Aegon will be good for Southern aesthetics. Basically, if Tyrion hadn't yapped, there was more a chance for Dany to win, now he sent Aegon to be seduced by Arianne Martell.

i think you're kind of confused about what you're mad at. the writing and explanation for why dany went on a rampage is sloppy, but the actual attack itself was fine. the show didn't really glorify war, not sure where you got that from. it made a spectacle out of some battles, but that's a very different thing than glorifying it. i didn't get much of an anti-war thing out of the sack either, it was just showing a horrible thing that can happen, if anything you can just say it was some type of thing about unnecessary brutality rather than anti-war.

TONS of shit is foreshadowed in the books that didn't play out in the show at all, her burning the throne is foreshadowed, her having children is foreshadowed, I'm reserving judgement until the books come out if they do, but would be disappointed if aegon is just a one dimensional hero. Yeah Tyrion is absolute shit in both books and show I agree

but he's like.. a fictional character?

Based Tyrion.

Maybe Dany shouldn't have gotten a "BURN THEM ALL" ending if no one can thing a better way to get there than by introducing a brand new Targ 5 books in that gets to conquer Westeros before she even moves her ass from Slaver's Bay or "nephew isn't dicking me anymore"

The show was fairly pro war with the good guys but anti war when it came to Dany

The economy is a huge concern for Martin and Dany doesn't know how to count while Aegon is familiar with a jew company so technically he likely is good at numbers.

What does pro-war even mean? That their problems should be solved with diplomacy instead?

wtf is this dude's deal?

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It was boring as hell and stupid, should've been an even fight where cersei spead the scorpions out across the city and blew up sections of the city, while Dany rained hellfire on them to take out the scorpions. Then she goes and burns the red keep with civilians to end it, but we got a one sided slaughter for shock value instead, which doesn't hold up on rewatch at all really

which good guys and which battles are pro-war? blackwater wasn't pro-war or anti-war, it was a battle where you understood the reasons for both sides. same thing goes for the battle at the wall. i guess you can say the army of the dead battles were pro-war and the battle of the bastards.
i never got the anti-war thing from dany, she sacked astapor

The brand new targ was going to be her flaming virginal valaryian bride with army with ships wrapped with a ribbon and political connections to win back westeros if Tyrion hadn't persuaded him to turn back and do things himself. Griff is completely inexperienced but he had all the education she didn't have (which could have you know, be beneficial to her), and he was looking forward to meet his family so he would have likely deferred to her specially because he seems like JonC would have poisoned any woman who tried to set a hand on his precious Rhaegar 2.0. Now Arienne is gonna make a man of him and try to put herself on the throne instead all because Tyrion send him away.

The boltons were one dimensional baddies for Jon and the Starks to defeat, that's why it's pro war, compared to the tarlies where Dany faces repercussions even though they betrayed an ally of hers and didn't leave her much choice, whereas Jon doesn't

Tyrion is worse than fucking littlefinger fucking Imp piece of shit

It's...curious how seasons 6 and 7 foreshadowed Targaryen babies but the plotline was dropped entirely. Was Dany supposed to be pregnant? Does George intend for her to pregnant when Jon kills her? If so, that's sadistic. Or maybe Dany gives birth to bastard Targaryens Nd Jon has to raise them.

Either way, it doesn't matter. A Dream of Spring will never come out.

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The show did glorify war and murder. In no way did it paint the aftermath of the Battle of the Bastards as anything but a celebration of beating up some "bad" guys and getting thousands of people killed that were swept under the rug. They kill off everyone that Jon may or may not have wanted to execute afterward to keep it real clean for a good mood all around. Sansa feeds a guy to a dog and walks away in a scene clearly intended for audiences to cheer it on. There was no other takeaway from it just as Arya murdering a bunch of people that she may or may not have been sure as completely innocent, instead of just old man Walder and they expected cheers if you're being honest with yourself.

>if anything you can just say it was some type of thing about unnecessary brutality rather than anti-war.
No, it was intended to be unnecessarily destructive to show war = bad by the showrunners, which is why it was so over the top by design and didn't make sense. If they just wanted brutality, they'd just show the skirmish on the ground of people killing all over the city and leave it be. The director even goes on to comment about how our culture celebrates war in other shows/movies and this was just them trying to do the opposite for their story.

>The brand new targ was going to be her flaming virginal valaryian bride
Would he even appeal to Dany's incest kink since he isn't a real Targ?

her explanation for doing it was that the people did not rise up against cersei despite cersei treating her subjects like garbage, they'd rather huddle around cersei than have dany as their queen. so she decided to make the people fear her power and control them through that, so she went on a rampage

I mean it's hilarious how Danyfags don't realize she would have had this on the bag if she had married Young Griff. It literally didn't matter if he was or not Rhaegar's son or a Blackfyre, by showing a united front as the other user said, the dynasty would be restored again. A smart throne player would have acknowledged his claim, be true and false, so to get Dorne through him now as Elia's son (eliminating Arienne danger). His inexperience would make her the dominant of the relationship - something Tyrion pointed out.

Not him but pretty much that the wars waged and methods used by the good guys are justified and righteous but Dany should always handle stuff through diplomacy or in a way that sheds zero blood or she's nuts.

Not exactly war but take the Tarlys vs Umber and Karstark. Jon says eath is the punishment for treason but Ned and Alys, one of whom is named for Jon's"dad" and the other who looks like Sansa and bith are young, didn't do anything and shouldn't be punished so long as they kneel and they do. Jon is righteous and justified despite if you really think about it, Smalljon and Harold never bent the knee to the Starks, explicitly worked with or for the Boltons and shouldn't be beholden to vows their father's pledged or reneged on in Karstark's case.

Randyll meanwhile admits to Jaime he's pledged to Olenna but betrays and sacks Highgarden, then forces the farmers of the reach to give up all their food, and sides with Cersei who bkew up a popular Queen and the High Septon. Olenna was pledged to Dany. Yet when she executes them it's evil, not just in means of execution but doing it at all and she shouldn't have attacked that caravan at all according to Tyrion, and immediately bith him and Varys think she's mentally off despite Varys promising fire and blood before.

And of course Tyrion saying don't you dare attack King's Landing or the Red Keep, siege or negotiate surrender instead

To be fair, Boltons and Freys are the absolute worst kind of people in every single way.

Blackfyres are real Targs. You do know this right? Maeglor wanted to have two wives but the Faith didn't allow it - They are all the same dragon blood and shit. It's uniting the family back as a big fuck you.

the battle of the bastards was just one of the battles, and that battle happened when they were already into fan-fiction level of writing. it is glorified i guess, but that one battle is not the entire show. blackwater is not like that, and the wall battle is not like that. those battles also happen to be largely taken directly out of the books. grrm doesn't glorify war at all, they are more like gruesome spectacles

Nope. She already had fear fromsuccessfully taking a city in like 5 minutes. She burned them all because according to the writers seeing the Red Keep made it personal

She doesn't really have an explanation, the showrunners explain it as her seeing the red keep even though she already saw it in the dragonpit meeting, in the show it more comes across as her lashing out out of pain from loss and betrayals and taking it out on the nearest target, and being delusional about it afterwards

lol remember essos?

That's not the explanation the writers gave for it, that's one you tried to piece together yourself. They said she never went there to burn down KL in that manner, so she knew of the people's refusal and yet didn't want to hurt them when she went there. She just suddenly decided at the last second to destroy the entire city because she got mad at looking at the Red Keep because...her ancestors building? I dunno how to explain what they said. It was really dumb, just like the "Dany forgot about Euron's fleet" or "Figure it out yourself, I don't know" that they said in the same season.

This is one episode after they said, Dany has one target in her mind, Cersei and she's diverting all her attention to Cersei. Then Dany seems to forget about Cersei and she's more of an afterthought.

somebody mention Alys?

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The ones holding Winterfell right now in the books are Roose Bolton (the man who fathered his bastard by raping the mom under the corpse of her husband), Ramsay Bolton (the sadist that flays people alive and makes his wife have sex with dogs), Freys (the family filled with retarded weasel looking people that slaughtered their allies in a wedding) and the Karstarks (whose current head tried to diddle his niece).

drogo rapes and murders a bunch of lamb men, dany sacks astapor, she does some sneaky shit with yunkai, and for meereen she gets the slaves to kill the masters. shes not so much anti-war, she's more like anti-siege

Not him but if you're showing the tragedy and true cost of war then retroactively deeming the other instances of war and battles waged by someone as always having been bad but the good guys are still good guys and aren't examined in the same way and the show bent backwards to show them in the right, thenit's shit.

War and bad acts are bad if done by bad guys, wars and bad acts committed by good guys are good

It's incomprehensible because they took out the Young Griff plot and butchered it by assigning his role to several characters including Jon in the "rival Targ" and Cersei as the ruler who is on the throne when she gets there.

That fucked up the show and Dany's arc because it makes absolutely no sense she gets paranoid over JON I dunaa want eet Snow.

Basically war good if it's starks doing it, war bad for everyone else, if Dany wants to do a military assault on the red keep it's bad even though that would spare the most lives overall

>War and bad acts are bad if done by bad guys, wars and bad acts committed by good guys are good
so stannis burning his daughter is good?

Dany's acts were portrayed as good for years, even though D&D knew for years what the ending would be. In the end, violence is only acceptable if one's last name is "Stark."

Or jealous of how Tormund praised Jon instead of her, about waah I have no love here. Bitch, he doesn't even know you and Jon is his best friend. It makes zero sense of Dany to feel envious like if Jon felt envy about Missendei liking Dany over him. However, if it's about people of King's landing embracing F/or real Aegon over her, then it actually makes sense.

They weren't really protrayed as good though, she always got called out for it in a way the other characters never did

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they weren't portrayed as good, the idiots watching the show assumed what she was doing was good. she crucified a bunch of the masters despite many of them not being involved with slavery, she just collectively punished them. anyone with half a brain would realize that's not good.

I mean for one she saved tormunds life in season 7, but in that scene she didn't seem jealous over Jon to me just sad cause he was neglecting her, she was happy for him even with how she raised a glass to him when he looked at her

Stannis was never a righteous nan in the show's writing and the writer's minds

GRRM is anti war, though. He's mentioned a bunch of times and Arya isn't doing any of that shit but Darth Catelyn is. Arya is basically a child lost who made a kill list to cope with her trauma. Not this ice cool ninja assassin the show made her as and randomly dropped that in one episode because the Hound peptalked her.

Dany triumphantly secured The Unsullied and killed the slaver of Yunkai (or was it Astapor?). Dany destroyed the slavers who allied against her in The Battle of The Bastards. Her actions were portrayed as heroic until D&D wanted to rush to GRRM's ending.

It's weird, I feel like the dilemma in Dany's case should be something of a standard road to hell is paved with good intentions type thing yet all I can get from it is whether i'd kill baby Hitler. Like the show unknowingly more wants me to acknowledge Robert as being right in trying to kill every last Targaryen and trying to kill Day when he heard she was pregnant, that Mirri was right, the Masters were right, etc.

Killing Randyll wasn't wrong, his son, though it was unnecessary and stupid when he would have come around.

>Slave masters
>Not involved in slavery
>Slave masters complicit in crucifying kids
>Innocent
The show still made a big point out of whitewashing the slavemasters with hizdahr, but people hopefully realized that's stupid

Dickon deciding that he should also die was stupid, especially considering that he thought his father's actions were reprehensible.

Just gonna remind people that Barristan's plan was to hit KL directly just like Yara and end the war quickly when KL was unprepared.

All the retarded shit with Tyrion and Varys shaming Dany in the later season is just mind numbing after Cersei continuously tried to fuck them over again and again and again. The show doesn't present Cersei as something to compromise with, it presents her as a threat to every character still alive and needed to be dealt with. Unironically everyone else was unwilling to adapt. Dany was for peaceful methods when it made sense, and was for conventional war when it started looking necessary, like after her allies were dropping like flies. As you saw in the last episode, dragons are very useful in breaking down castle defenses, so Dany ended up being right so they had her burn down he joint for no good reason. Gonna leave this fun pic too.

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i didn't mean not involved in slavery, i meant to say that many of them spoke against slavery, hizdahr said his father was one of them. i don't see any reason to think he was lying about that. what she did with the masters is kind of like punishing john adams because thomas jefferson had slaves despite adams never having any.

I mean that began the "foreshadowing". It makes no sense because obviously he'll be focused on his best friend/body warmer (what happens beyond the wall, stays beyond the wall).

There was no legit way to build her envy/paranoia when they removed the guy who would likely rightfully caused it.

Honor and shit

Dickon honorably killed his friends.

>that Mirri was right
Mirri was right, and Mirri was too fucking good after how Dany basically destroyed her life and she wouldn't have been killed Drogo if he hadn't been a fucking badass and go against her advice.

What happened to Mirri was disgusting. Also Dany's child with Drogo had dragon scales and wings. He was a monster book wise.

They didn't speak out against slavery, they spoke out against crucifying kids to send a message, totally different. He and his father her still complicit slave owners. Totally different in the books anyway where all the slavers she liked were guilty and hizdahr was allied with the son's of the harpy

Which slavers did she like? She gets warned by random Quaithe vision to never trust Reznak like 2 chapters in and she hates the Shavepate for always telling her to just kill everyone.

>All the retarded shit with Tyrion and Varys shaming Dany in the later season is just mind numbing after Cersei continuously tried to fuck them over again and again and again.
Again is because of the lost of the Young Griff. Vayrs' prized dragon and Tyrion fucking Dany up by sending him to Westeros kind of fucked her over in the end.

Mirri bragged about killing Dany's baby, she was retarded

Meant to say killed, when she crucified them

yea grrm is very anti war, its very obvious from the way he portrays it in the books. the violence and war scenes are very grisly in the books, i wouldn't even really call it edgy, it's just very matter-of-fact and brutal. the show got too polished with the battle scenes and they either forgot or intentionally threw aside what grrm does with violence

Yeah the show makes no sense at all but they make everyone treat her like shit and hit her with losses to get her to that point, even though that isn't enough to justify it

The show literally cut out all of feast for crows anti war stuff which was the point of that book but then tried to play anti-war in the final hour

The show elevated complete monsters like Ramsay and Cersei into positions of power, but overthrew them through acts of violence. The anti-war message fails because war is good when it benefits the good guys (the Starks).

i guess you mean all the brienne stuff. yea fuck that i dont want to go through that crap again.

>The show literally cut out all of feast for crows anti war stuff
They moved some of it to Arya's S4 stuff

Other than astapor she always got called out by other characters for violence, like barristan or hizdahr, even with astapor jorah mentions how the city go overthrown later, doubt that's truly George's ending anyways

what do you expect them to do about ramsay and cersei? give them a pony and tickle them until they give up?

They should've died like the chumps they are rather than become Villain Sues. They'll die without attaining any real amount of power in the books. This is the exact moment when the show went completely to shit and ignored the established realities of the setting.

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Not just that, Sansa's and Arya's descend to violence is not in the books. Sure Arya kills but she's very much portrayed as a disturbed child who is losing her sense of identity and is trying to cope and survive rather than some ice k00l badass. She has a serious inferiority complex about not being capable to live up to a lady's image and not just rejecting that for kicks, and who is fucking the Freyrs up is Catelyn who has became a revenge ridden Punisher, not Arya. Sansa's line "My skin has turned to porcelain, to ivory, to steel" referring to her hardening by the circumstances and becoming stronger emotionally herself became some idiotic drivel about her abuse changed her for better, when the original was how she survive and became stronger not that the circumstances helped (which was super creepy). Furthermore, they removed all her warmth and gentleness as character which she still possesses and why Sweetrobin loves her, like Arya, she has some identity issues because her formative years are now under Littlefinger.

The only thing I remember like that with Arya in season 4 is the one farmer dying and her killing rorge and biter

Isn't she only pretending to like sweetautist?

>what do you expect them to do about ramsay and cersei?
Not give them positions of power in the first place, obviously. They are cartoonishly evil characters, and people follow them just because.

roose is the warden of the north and ramsay has plenty of power. roose is also far more of a threat than that idiot ramsay in the books. ramsay is just a ruthless edgelord in the books.

>George is anti-war
>praises Alexander the great for conquering and uniting things so long as the results are better than what came before
What did he mean by this?

Yeah Sansa would never fucking let Jon be bait for Ramsay's army while she brings the vale in without telling him, that's character assassination, same with Arya killing the frey whole family

That's exactly my point. The main fight book wise will be Stannis vs Roose, but D&D love anime young protags facing off against SOMEBODY STOP ME Joker tier villains. It really makes me wonder why they cut fAegon when he was the one anime-tier character actually needed for Varys and Tyrion's plotlines.

George isn't a preachy anti war ideologue which is why the show ending won't be like the books

Sansa in the latter half of the series just did shit that made no sense. D&D wanted her to be smart, but they have no idea how to write intelligent characters, so her actions are completely illogical.

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Sansa does feel for him and care (they are couins for real). She has an identity crisis about Alayne vs Sansa like Arya has about "No one." Sansa is definitely a sweet girl but she's smarter and bolder now, and very paranoid but she's still kind underneath.

>The main fight book wise will be Stannis vs Roose
Then why does Gurm say that he is planning on a fight between the Stark direwolves and Ramsay's dogs?

He's said and the writers have saved several times it'll be the same ending. All hail Bran the broken and woe to the memory of Mad Queen Daenerys

>people follow them just because.
Westeros kind of forgot they fight huge civil wars over succession to the throne so when Cersei was crowned they were all "lol k"

>plotting to poison and kill her cousin so she can marry chad and get chad's army
>kind underneath
I'm sick and tired of you sansafags

Do you have a single source to back that up?
Source on this as well? Is it your ass?

it will probably be the same but the details will be different. i think the most likely thing that will happen is the others and wights will make their way all the way down to kings landing, they'll break through, and dany will be forced to destroy the entire city with everyone in it just to stop the others and their army.

I get the feeling Sansa pretending to be a bastard would make her treat Jon kindly as a true brother when they meet again (not that she was mean to him, just distant because of her mother) because she can empathize with the experience. Unlike the show, in the book, it feels Sansa will never lose her inward kindness even if she's hardened now. She'll likely kill Littlefinger but he has that one coming or deliver him to justice.

why haven't you started watching /korean got/ yet?

It's actually really fucking good and not a trashy ripoff. Each episode is 80 minutes, but unlike season 8's 80 minute episodes they're actually dense and satisfying. CGI is shit but that's to be expected, but it's only used sparingly so it's not much of a detractor.

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Bran becoming King is a fact:
indiewire.com/2019/05/game-of-thrones-finale-bran-king-george-rr-martin-books-1202146070/

But that's probably been the endgame from the beginning. He's our first POV.

i cant think of something that sounds less appealing than a fantasy korean show.

The ending would be Jon killing dany, not that she burns a whole city for no reason, which she can't even do since drogon is horse sized and she'd just get shot down by arrows if she were to go street by street killing everyone

>He's our first POV.
No, he is not.

George's ending sucks, by the way.

She's not plotting that, though. Littlefinger might, but she's not. Sweetrobin is really sickly though.

>Source is D&D (literally asses)
>nothing said by GRRM himself
Yeah so I guess the source is your ass. Thanks.

>Source on this as well
His fucking blog, his interviews regarding season 8, his interviews from season 5 when the show started diverging, are you new?

Bran being king made sense in the originsl trilogy, not now when he fucks off beyond the wall to become a tree

How old is sweetrobin because if I recall he kissed and has the hots for Sansa? I thought he was a kid, what's with him being hormonal.

Bran's actor spilled the beans that Gurm told D&D that Bran becomes king.

Just accept it instead of burowing your head in the ground.

the only way i see bran becoming king is if he wargs into someone that can become king. i just don't see him leaving that cave, he's a magical tree boy now.

D&D wanted to kill Bran and GRRM told them they can't, user are you new?

Sweetrobin should be 7-8.

She's aware of the danger of sweetsleep, has the maester give it anyway and thinks on how she and father have plans, she knows exactly what she's doing and the end result

It's got some strangely native american vibes to it. Kind of refreshign to see a fantasy that isn't set in a medieval period or antiquity though. Basically the iron/bronze age people are fucking everyone up, and in the first episode they genocide the race of superhumans

But he was? Game of Thrones had a prologue (nobody POV) about the Others and then the first chapter is BRAN I.

>wields ridiculous power as Littlefinger's bastard
> might be betrothed to the heir to the Vale
Sansa will learn nothing, she's still privileged as hell and looks down on Mya

>But he was?
He wasn't. You just stated that he wasn't in your own post.

Bran was supposed to become king in the books but I think it was wrong for them to do it in the show solely because GRRM wants to end it that way. It's stupid to do it unless you're actually going to set up Bran to become King instead of doing it last minute. D&D just do the bullet points without trying to make it a coherent set piece.

Sansa will get the axe in the sequel series

Imagine how much you'll seethe when the books come out.

They were treating him with that BEFORE her, it's what keeps him from his seizures. I don't think she's purposefully trying to harm him, she's kind of neglectful I think, but probably trusts the Maester.

>Dany
>being a hot girl
user, I...

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Prologue =/= first chapter.

Dany=Emilia. Not gonna click that picture bro

We shouldn't, because she's a useless character and 100% evil.

>god tier
Sansa x Tyrion
>great tier
Jaime x Brienne
>shit tier
Jon x Daenerys

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Prologue exists, therefore your claim is invalidated. Bran is not the first POV.

They were treating him like that before and maester tells her he doesn't want to because that shit stays in the flesh and might kill him and she says she doesn't care, Sweetrobin needs to be sedated.She also knows the plan is to marry Harry, him becoming the new Lord and getting his army. She knows exactly what she's doing

>elder god tier
Meera x Bran

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It's not like Gurm has done much of a better job 5/7ths of the story in.

Bran has only had 7 chapters in the past three books, most of which have been only about walking north and wolf dreams.

Bran being King makes sense actually, the targs will eat each other out in the second dance of the dragons with jon taking the black, then who is going to ascend but the house that has consolidated power of Vale, Riverlands and the North? That's the Starks. Dorne will get burned and fucked over with Aegon, Tyrrels will get fucked over after Marge dies, and the lions will be reduced to Tyrion who is connected to Starks because he's still "married" to Sansa but won't be in a position to get any claim. Bran is the trueborn eldest son of the best positioned house. He'll received all the info of how to run a kingdom from the bloodraven who was, you know, actually the hand of the king who was doing the best job on kingdom running before his exile.

>Emilia
>hot
uh oh

Asperger's Syndrome

Bran's the first major pov character then, you pedantic little bitch.

But Bran's penis doesn't work

1st For the purest and most beautiful queen who ever was or will be!!

/ecg/ Lad of my Lad, will you protect her REMASTERED smile?

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It'll be an open relationship. Bran will satisfy her emotional needs while Stannis satisfies her sexual ones.

But his tongue does ;)
Besides, cattle prods are a thing.

>What do you mean there's no more penis? Then go warg into Hodor! Now!

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He could warg into someone she considers attractive enough and fuck her. Or into his direwolf.

>Bran being King makes sense actually
No, it doesn't. Not while Jon lives and breathes. Assuming that fAegon and Dany die, Bran has no business being king while Jon is alive. The elective monarchy ending is complete bullshit.

Dick on what?

Huh, does it really come back to them abandoning the fAegon plot? Or they could have foreshadowed better that bloodraven was prepping him to rule and not just learn random shit to deal with the White Walkers, none of which we ever really saw.

Bran has way more business being king than some bastard.

Book wise, you will probably get a divided Westeros. Stormlands under Storm King Edric Baratheon formerly Storm (not fucking Gendry), Dorne and Westerlands also independent. No idea on the Reach, then a massive Northern kingdom which includes the Vale and Riverlands due to Sansa plotting to bring the Vale into the fold. Bran will be King of this Northern kingdom.

>"Bran, are you masturbating to your sister's rape again?"
>"Shut up and enjoy your Stannis cock"

He didn't learn any shit about the White Walkers other than the fact that they are Children weapons gone wrong.

He spent most of his time watching memories about happy Starks and Jon's birth.

Jon could be a bastard in the books.

>elective monarchy

That's how the show portray it, but you notice Stark will have the backing of 3 kingdoms (maybe 4-5 if Edric storm gets legitimized and Tyrion ends up supporting them and gets the rock) out 7 about who should rule. It's just changing dynasties from Targ to Stark.

Bran has zero Targaryen blood. None. He has no business being king.

Bloodraven cummed inside his ass a couple of times. Does that count?

Davos saved Edric and Davos will end up being a Stark supporter.

>Edric supporting randoms
>Westerlands supporting Tyrion the convicted kinslayer and kingslayer
No

There is zero reason for Dorne to agree be under Stark rule. Zero.

Bran is an actual legitimate noble. Also i can't see why Jon's bastard targ heritage will be important for the throne when that very house was ousted by most of Westeros a decade and a half ago.

No, after Stannis dies, Davos is going back South and never showing up again. Lmao if you think Melisandre and Davos will have a major role after Stannis dies. Melisandre'll probably die before Stannis too.

Who even cares about a failing dynasty?

Davos also brought Melisandre in to kill the guy who was protecting Edric

>Bran is an actual legitimate noble.
There are hundreds of legitimate nobles. Irrelevant point.

Targs attacked and sieged their people, they didn't agree to be ruled by them either, just to be married to them eventually. They would if they marry the Throne eventually.

Bran becoming King in the North in the books would make perfect sense, but I get the impression that's not what's going to happen. Sure it's possible that D&D made up the contrivances to get Bran to be King of Westeros so Sansa could be Queen in the North, but what they and GRRM have said makes me feel like they haven't changed that part so much

Bran is the legitimate noble with the backing of 3 kingdoms.

>This pains me, my lord. You do not deserve to die alone on such a cold dark night. There are many like you, good men in service to bad causes...
fuck this bald eunuch

Said failing dynasty was used as justification for Robert to be King. There is no justification for Bran to be King. There is no reason for anybody to vote for him, outside of his Tully family.

No reason for Dorne to accept him. None. Then there are the other Kingdoms and the Iron Islands.

He is the true head of house Stark, one of the major noble houses in Westeros. Stop being so obtuse.

Robert became king because he had a big fucking hammer and all Targs were dead or exiled

>He is the true head of house Stark, one of the major noble houses in Westeros. Stop being so obtuse.
That gives him NO right to being King of ALL seven Kingdoms. Stop being retarded.

>Bran is an actual legitimate noble
Hey remember that kid Theon Greyjoy killed? He's actually alive, now make him your king while we make ourselves independent. Lmao

Bran has no working cock and elective monarchy me and you might as well marry a different kingdom, wage war and take the throne

I've always thought Sansa would end up married to whoever is the south king, if she's going to be a queen. Actually would make sense considering she's the one learning south court shit that seems quite important to survive in that viper's nest (she's like the ONLY character of the main one who is doing this, unlike Jon, Dany, Bran, etc) rather than ending ruling the North.

Specially when Tyrion notes Sansa would have been a superB queen in his narration and Joffrey was an idiot for turning her against him.

>Robert became king because he had a big fucking hammer and all Targs were dead or exiled
And because he had Targaryen blood. It was a flimsy excuse, but an excuse nonetheless. There is no reason for Bran to become king.

>Bran has no working cock
In the show, in the book he gets boners and is confused about them.

I never said that, i just said that he has more business being king than the bastard Jon.

He has never once gotten a boner in the books. He has feelings for meera, but no boners

Imagine thinking Jon would be king. LMAO

I like how you just ignore that he has literal superpowers and likely won't just ask the nobles to give him power. He will take it.

Jon has more Targaryen blood than Bran. Targaryens united the realm. Bran has ZERO Targaryen blood. Jon has some. Whether Jon is legitimate or not, he still has more claim to the throne than Bran, who has ZERO claim to the throne. None. Bran being a legitimate Stark is immaaterial.

The Northern kingdom I mentioned would still compose most of Westeros and clearly be the dominant powerhouse. They changed a lot of things and had a lot of characters overstay their welcome.

Once Stannis dies, probably to the Others and not the fucking Boltons, Davos will either die with him or head South. Melisandre'll probably get killed for burning Shireen alongside Selyse. D&D kept characters fans allegedly like without bothering to build up new ones. Lord Manderly'll probably have most of Davos' role, him or the Blackfish.

Outside of the Starks, Jon and Dany, the characters who end up in the endgame will heavily differ from those in the show. There's a lot more characters to actually use in the books, while the show condescended everything to like 6-7 main cast members which is why a lot of what they did seemed out of character or looked like it didn't make sense, because it was written for someone else, who either died in the show already or was never introduced. Stoneheart will probably have a lot of S8 Melisandre's role. Someone like Daven Lannister or another Lannister cousin getting the Westerlands makes a lot more sense than a literal criminal like Tyrion.

>in the book
>“No,” Ned said. He saw no use in lying to her. “Yet someday he may be the lord of a great holdfast and sit on the king’s council. He might raise castles like Brandon the Builder, or sail a ship across the Sunset Sea, or enter your mother’s Faith and become the High Septon.” But he will never run beside his wolf again, he thought with a sadness too deep for words, or lie with a woman, or hold his own son in his arms.

He can't mindfuck anyoneperfectly enough to leave them functioning, see Hodor or Varamyr trying to take the wildling chick. And greenseers aren't really that powerful seeing as they got Btfo by the First Men

user, Jon is never going to be King. GRRM doesn't like that ending he even said we should look forward the endings of the characters who are still alive in the books but not the show or never made it there. The books will more or less end the same different execution because the show merged and fuckd up some storylines.

>or enter your mother’s Faith and become the High Septon
Wouldn't be out of place considering Howland Reed converted to the Seven and pretty much runs the Faith now.

I don't think you get how medieval societ works, user. Nobility>everything else.
Jon is not a noble, Bran is. Therefore, by virtue of being a noble, Bran has more claim to the throne than Jon.
Blooodraven says that Bran is going to get a lot stronger when he's done training.

>Bran is going to get a lot stronger when he's done training.
Is Bran gonna be more powerful than the dozens or hundreds of greenseers who even together got btfo by the First Men? No

>Jonfags still in denial
At least Danyfags have accepted it.

>No
Source? Was the three eyed crow one of these greenseers, or are you just talking out of your ass?

What would be the most based thing to do with Jon Connington since the Greyscales is gonna kill him?

Personally I think him and Rolly Duck should save Young Griff from Robert Strong, Jon maybe dies in the fight but infects Strong's zombie body with greyscale until he goes insane and kills Tommen on his throne.

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>user, Jon is never going to be King.
I know. I watched the same show that you did.
>GRRM doesn't like that ending he even said we should look forward the endings of the characters who are still alive in the books but not the show or never made it there. The books will more or less end the same different execution because the show merged and fuckd up some storylines.
George's ending is shit. It's okay to say it. He is not a perfect human being, and his ending isn't good repudiation of The Lord of The Rings.

So the Children are fighting against extinction and think, should we use our 3 eyed raven, guess not. Hey we're breaking this landmass, should we use him, guess not, use the others only. Hey we're flooding this place trying to break it up, should we get some help from the dude to finish it properly, guess not. Hey these Stark guys are killing us, shouldn't we, better not. Hey the Starks are trying to kill us and this Warg king, should we, guess not. Hey the Starks are trying to kill us again and this Marsh King we follow, should we maybe finally, better not why do we even have this guy then?

LMAO

There is zero reason to vote a non-Targaryen as king in a continent ruled by Targaryens. There is zero reason for Bran to be voted King over an actual Targaryen. There is zero for Dorne to not secede.

Its a continent ruled by Baratheons. Targaryens are a dead and deposed house. Gendry is the rightful heir in the show, Edric Storm probably in the books.

So you are using your headcanon as an argument? Cringe.

Hate to break it to you user, but the targs are no longer in power.

>Its a continent ruled by Baratheons.
Baratheons are Targaryens, dummy.
>Targaryens are a dead and deposed house.
They were used as justification for the Baratheon house ruling.
>Gendry is the rightful heir in the show, Edric Storm probably in the books.
Two more rightful heirs than Bran, who has zero rights to the throne.

>children would never use someone when literally everyone is trying to kill them
LMAO. Your rationalization is hilarious

Show me where the children used the three eyed crow against the first men in the books.
I'll wait.

>Baratheons are Targaryens, dummy.
They have Targ blood, but are not Targs. That's like saying Robert is an Estermont because his mother was one.

Are Martells also targs, then?

They took the throne because they had Targ blood. Period. There is no justification for Bran being king.

>killing Tommen
Unbased

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So if Robert wasn't the grandson of a targ, you think he wouldn't have made himself king?

More Targaryen than Bran, who has zero rights to the throne.

More likely they'd have split up the Seven Kingdoms if there was no proper claimant but Robert was still popular.

Show me why people facing literal extinction wouldn't use this apparent gamechanger that's more powerful than all the other greenseers. You realize z3 Eyed crow is just a nickname thing based on bloodraven who's a blsck brother, hence a crow. Greenseers are the children's holy men, they used tons kf them to break Dorne's arm and flood the neck, 3 eyed crow isn't some super secret literally nrver use weapon, he's just the last of what used to be many

That's all well and good as theory, but everything George and D&D have said indicates that the book and show endings will be roughly the same, even if they get there differently

George hasn't said anything. D&D 90% of the time talk out of their ass, and George has confirmed the books and show have diverged in massive ways.

You are in denial. George's ending sucks. Get over it.

He's actually said a lot that indicates that D&D are aiming to arrive at the ending he's planned. And if you look at all his comments about all the divergences, it's clear he means more in getting there than the end itself

Tommen is gonna have to die, having Robert go crazy due to greyscales infesting his corpse would be a good way to kill Tommen without Aegon having to behead him.