Why is post-apocalyptic fiction so popular? Why do we like the idea of collapse and abandonment?

An absolute state of nature has NO value for merit at all. Chance is absolutely supreme.

Same reason Americans loved cow boy films. A desolate, lawless world where you can imagine yourself as a rugged independent survivor dispensing justice and succeeding on your own terms. Today's world is dreary, you're just a cog. But in an authority-less future your potential is boundless. The post apocolypse is a new America.

Btw has anyone seen the postman? Fucking terrible film.

You’re a retard

Yea man, that’s why animals never adapt, and people didn’t become more intelligent as a result of having to deal with their environment
Wait
Dipshit

Funny how answering this questions reveals more about the viewer than the movie.
I would say they are popular because people fear the end - especially as we get more varied end scenarios. People want to believe they would survive, so they relate to the protagonist. And people want to think there is hope afterward, which is why there are always groups re-forming and creating new societies. Post-apoc movies are a call to our survivability, our tenacity, our determination.

we aren't a hive mind.i don't like post apocalyptic. youre gay (the lame kind).

The "fittest" adapts. That is the one that exists by pure chance in circumstances most beneficial for their survival. Animals do not merely evolve to be more intelligent or stronger, &c. they evolve via mutations that afford them advantages to a given environment. a few brown bears move north and the bears with the longest necks procreate because best able to see over ice floes and thus least likely to die, while those who were born more southerly evolve completely differently because of the happenstance of environment. There is no merit here.

Post apoc stories are a symptom of how shit our current society is. Nobody wants to see stories of our current day, because it's garbage. Mostly thanks to the liberals who ruined it. The only hope is for something better to arise post collapse.

>secure access to medicine
Not possible when there are no more means to manufacture tetanus treatments

its a reflection of our timesa

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it's easy escapism, a way of avoiding responsibility for the world we currently live in

Back when our society was on the rise and it was meeting the needs of the people we had utopian visions of the future. All of the scifi showed an idealistic future where everything would be better. When society began to peak and collapse our visions of the future became apocalyptic and dystopian. With rising costs of living, environmental destruction, a government incapable of doing their jobs, and rampant mass migration threatening to destabilize global economies and culture, people these days don't have any hope for the future.

You are taking a different, more independent definition of merit than the other people are.
As they define merit based on ability to thrive in a given environment, it becomes self-evident that lawless nature is a meritocracy.
I feel you are defining merit more on ability within a skill, regardless of environment. Thus lawless nature no longer is a meritocracy because you may be the best nut-gatherer, cracker, and store-er, but chance then put you underwater.

It is easier to get the goyim to surrender the world if you convince them to believe that the world has changed and become irrevocably broken...
>The right wing to believe that there is no recovery from the degeneracy and loss of liberty and morality without raising arms.
>The left wing to believe there is no recovery from global warming/patriarchy/religion/the rich/racism/guns/rain/the sky falling/the oceans rising/a small gust of wind/etc...
Whats wrong here is that the real problems get lost inside all the neurosis; conservation of animals and plants and their habitats (as well as human cultures and races), reduction of dependence on fossil fuels (energy independence), free market (to maintain social mobility based on merit)

The distant past of man is almost entirely
>bosses (kings)
>taxes (slavery)
>death
that is it...any hope of a different life was not an option. There were no things made to make live easier; YOU were the tool used to make life easier.

we can sense it coming
gotta be prepared

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couple reasons I suppose

1. the appeal of lawlessness. Some folks just wish they could steal and loot without repercussion

2. lazy storytelling: postapoc lets you ignore modern conveniences like cellphones that can hamper storylines

3. fundamental re-balancing of the economic system. probably the only way that the rich would ever be put back on par with everyone else

4. inevitability of it. Read somewhere the sustainable carrying capacity of the earth is ~3B people. We're basically living on borrowed time till petrol becomes too rare/expensive.

I think for alot of people they like the idea of it because it is a fresh start in a society not constrained by our current rules.

Misery is the human condition.

Escapism.

Familiarity. Urban & industrial decay is common, only thing keeping it from being kino is all the assholes who would be really nice to just dispose of.

who /techo-accelerationism/ here?

rape

>1. aka niggers and hillbillies
>2. hard to deny cell phones make a story boring unless you up the stakes outside of the normal persons understanding
>3. yes and no. it would but lets face it...capitalism has allowed for more generational turnover of wealth than any other system in history. More people have been happier and more free than at any other time. Ever. It is because of capitalistic competition. as more companies monopolize it kills competition and plunges the world back into a feudal system that discourages social mobility.
>4. hogwash. technology is amazing. If anyone wants you to believe this it is because they think THEY don't need YOU. Mechanization.

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shut up

Might actually be true.
We know some phobias can be genetic, thus memories are represented in DNA.

>4

Resources are not limitless though. There are too many humans on the planet.

While modern comfort/security/prosperity is nice, the rigidity and superficiality of it is suffocating. Humans evolved and came to be through tens of thousands of years in a neolithic society of constant struggle, warfare, movement, and peril, with total freedom to boot, that is still present there in our genes and eager to manifest where it's no longer necessary.

What if the smartest people start looting medecine for themselves ? What if some humans evolve to not die of tetanus ?

>evolve to not die of tetanus

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Basically the same reasons why people like Westerns

>Why is post-apocalyptic fiction so popular?

Because the physical reality of post-apoc represents the current social reality of The West.

Explain

Ruinenlust; a german word (natch) which means finding the beauty ruins. 'Ruin porn' is the modern idiom.

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Fallen civilizations are one of the hallmarks of romanticism.

Ozymandias is a great example

Or, "The Ruin"
It's (appropriately) somewhat missing but fully based
Wrætlic is þes wealstan, wyrde gebræcon

I guess you said "hallmarks of romanticism," but who gives a fuck.

dont talk shit about the postman you fucking plebian piece of shit

so im not the only one

proper 'zone' stuff that's like in your picture isn't really post-apoc it's a kind of partial-dream in the day that this kind of low light condition induces. where the external world's aesthetics comes closer to being like inside the mind
so you can reflect on very abstract things like being

post-apocalyptic fiction let's us pretend something will survive the apocalypse. it gives us hope.

I would love to hear Asa talk about apocalypse kino.