Trust nobody, not even yourself

jonas is a brainlet. but seriously, there are definitely moments in the show where it feels like the writers just HAD to have the character's do something and it feels too manufactured. like:
>hey dig up this radioactive waste buried in concrete RIGHT FUCKING NOW

Rewatched the scene now, Adam didn't even have to try to convince him, he literally asks him what starts the cycle and a Jonas says "omg my father's suicide"
Why the fuck would anyone think that, of all things that is the only event that isn't connected to Mikkel going back in time

It would be like trying to save lives and a character asking "what is the leading cause of death in the world? " and the other responding "pianos falling on people's heads, we gotta destroy all pianos"

idk maybe i'm a brainlet (also not the guy you're replying to) but maybe it's because if his father didn't commit suicide then somehow they wouldn't have gone to the woods that night? His father's suicide drove him apart from Martha, then she ended up with Bartosz, then maybe somehow all that teen melodrama ended up to all of them going to the woods on that particular night. I'd have to go back and watch the first episode to see if that makes any sense at all (it probably doesn't.) Reminder that Mikkel only went with them because they had to bring him along, right? There was no one left to look after him. So let's say Jonas and Martha were together, or just that Martha and Bartosz *weren't* together, then maybe Martha could've stayed home with Mikkel?

It's all dependent on so many factors and coincidences. Jonas' father's suicide is the one issue in the show that bugs me.

Love the show though. Just finished S2.

>S1 handsome boy Mads Nielsen dead
DROPPED

As i said in my first post, i rewatched the first episode and Michael being dead had absolutely nothing to do with Mikkel going with them to the woods, so there is no reason for Jonas or anyone to assume that

tfw when you rewatch s1 after s2

This show makes no sense but is incredibly fun to watch for seemingly no reason. I like that they just keep doubling down on time travel being retarded as opposed to trying to come up with some bullshit way it all makes sense.

I consider it a plot hole, but desu the fact that the second season is two episodes shorter suggests to me that they were forced to cram shit in to the last couple episodes.

Straight up alternate universes might kill it for me. Sort of throws all the established rules out the window.

Too bad, its definitely one of the best sci fi shows in many many years.

So the travellers had the most advanced time traveling-tech right? In that case, why was Noah kidnaping kids an experimenting with his low tier time machine?

They had to invent time travel before they could use it. Alternatively, randomly killing kids and sending them back was 'all part of the plan.'

>Why did Jonas believe Adam when he told him to go stop his father from killing himself?
Jesus christ is this what the average viewer is like nowadays? No wonder all they produce is hot garbage.
The show LITERALLY tells you what creates the future, character's DESIRE/MOTIVATION. Jonas being happy and satisfied about his life in the past would mean that Adam would stop existing in the future and that would mean no more timefuckery in the past and no Mikkel going back to the past BUT that's exactly the point, that's what Adam didn't tell Jonas and what Jonas and Michael later realized, you can't change the past, not only because changing it would mean you can't exist anymore as the person you are right now, or in their specific case they'd just stop existing because time paradox, but also because the "trigger", or the starting point of this whole time bending mess was not that one, so if they really wanted to make things right they had no choice but to let events happen as they happened in the past and find the right moment in time to intervene.

Well DUH, obviously.
Jesus...
It's about what moment in time made Jonas become a different Jonas, with different desires, motivations etc. Basically when he started to become Adam. Adam tricked Jonas into believing he had to go back in time finding THAT moment when in reality that moment is NOT the trigger for the WHOLE thing.

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>>hey dig up this radioactive waste buried in concrete RIGHT FUCKING NOW
>not realizing Adam or someone for him has been giving specific instructions to the policeman

The reality is jonas has to accept that he needs to kill himself to fix everything. Until he accepts that fact no progress can be made.

>time travel

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Remind me again how did Jonas end up in 2053 and Helge in 1986?