Pasolini edition

god, this post is so entry-level it hurts

come back when you've watched his post-60s work

Give me some advanced level films then.

Vivre sa vie is literally the only good film he done before the 90s, his body of work made between the 90s and today is filled with numerous unparalleled masterpieces.

t. someone who has seen nearly a hundred of his films

A
FUCKING
HACK

The most popular yet one of the worst directors of FNW along with Truffaut and Varda. Resnais and Rivette are superior in every possible aspect.

In what aspects exactly?

The Pseud’s Pseud

All his movies before Dziga Vertov kinda suck

are you gonna make a new thread or do I have to do it

>The most popular yet one of the worst directors of FNW along with Truffaut and Varda.
I want to agree with you but with a caveat that Truffaut and Varda aren't bad by themselves, they just look weaker when compared to the rest of FNW. Godard is bad no matter how you slice it.

Cinematography, writing, direction. Most of Godard's films especially in the 60s are inconsequential. He invented jump cuts by complete accident. His later more experimental work and philosophical work doesn't break new ground either. His newer films are art installation. Someone like Antonioni made a better unconventional film than Godard ever could with L'Eclisse.

In what way are they inconsequential? You are aware that he didn't actually invent jump cuts and they are only a meme in a single one of his movies, right? 100% sure you either haven't seen any of his major later works or have never been to a contemporary art museum.

I can understand the hate for Godard, but you have to admit that his 60s production is fairly unique
The strange mix of direction (sometimes so bad it's funny), acting, themes is not something that should be overlooked only because there are directors that have done some things better

I know, he is famous for jump cuts that's what i meant, i phrased it badly. They are whimsical at best with nothing to say. I have been to contemporary museums, not a big fan i have to say. What do you mean by major works? Which ones exactly.

>Favourite slow cinema? (>4 hours preferred)
Lav Diaz is a favorite, but if I had to pick a favorite film it would be werkmeister harmonies

>tfw bonded with a qt over A Ghost Story
>tfw she's not replying anymore

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>Werckmeister Harmonies
That's a great one. What's your favorite Diaz?

>the single FNW director who from the start of his career has been criticized for being overly intellectual and focusing too much on philosophical themes in his films, even by the standards of French film critics
>his films are whimsical at best with nothing to say
lmao ok, didn't expect to run into someone who is this much of a brainlet in an arthouse general, but this is Yea Forums after all. I could have dropped a couple titles from his later works but if the themes from his FNW stuff flew over your head then there isn't really any point.

Kinoshita’s best. I’m now acquainted with Kurosawa, Ozu and Kobayashi and Kinoshita, any other people you could list into this pantheon that are worth checking out?
>Favourite slow cinema? (>4 hours preferred)
The Best of Youth probably

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you notice that the jumpcats are mostly used for actions sequences. you could say that's lazy directing because those scenes usually are not easy.
On the other side, do we really care about how exactly the events as long as the viewer can reconnect the dots by himself? It's basically telling that those scenes are not important, and that's why the director didn't care

More like pseudo-intellectual. So what themes does he explore in Breathless and Vivre Sa Vie?

He did care since the film was longer he used jump cuts after producers told him to shorten the film.

there were plenty of inconsequential scenes he could have cut from his films

A bout de souffle is a revolutionary deconstruction of a genre, pulp cinema, and if you have to ask about Vivre Sa Vie then you clearly haven't seen it because it has a 5 minutes long scene where it's explained near the end.

Griffithfag was right about everything.

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>Hating on Godard and Truffaut
how to spot the newfags

Truffaut is a trash sellout, but hating on Godard is an absolutely perfect way to spot a pleb.

I finally did it

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Sneed's Feed & Seed (Formerly Chuck's)

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> marxists
there's nothing to like about them, they're stupid.

redditors run this board, bet the same guys think Kubrick, Bergman and Tarkovskji are the holy trinity of cinema

>What's your favorite Diaz?
Either a lullaby to the sorrowful mistery or evolution of a Filipino family

>/pol/tard too dumb to participate in normal non-capeshit film discussion so he needs to shitpost about politics instead
like clockwork

What did you like in particular about those two?

Oh because Godard was apolitical? He just bet on the wrong horse.

It being a deconstruction and being formally different from other pulp films, doesn't mean that the content of the film is virtually non-existent and the tone of the film is whimsical.
I have seen it, i just don't remember anything from it, that's why i asked.

>/pol/tard still too stupid to even pretend like he's trying to discuss one of his Marxist films instead of just shitposting about politics again
tsk so predictable

*Isn't

All the attempts of anti-clock gang to even argue against the tick and tock of the cucklok is made axiomatically impossible by the nature of the film.

That is at fault at every marxist critique of society in film.

you don't know shit about marxism

BASED PASOLINI THREAD

>wouldn’t you?

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>doesn't mean that the content of the film is virtually non-existent
lol you should actually watch the film

Let's just ignore him.

I did. It prefer Pierrot le Fou. You still didn't say what themes does the film explore like what's the substance.

suprised that this thread has survived so long despite OP fucking up this bad
anyway Gospel According to Matthew is the greatest film ever made

I already told you what its theme is, the theme is the substance.

>I finally did it
did what?

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watch Intolerance by D.W. Griffith™

go suck some more MAO-DICK, SATAN!!!

Yes you told me that it's a deconstruction that doesn't mean that the film isn't empty in terms of actual substance. If you are not familiar with the genre you don't know that it's a deconstruction and the rest of the film without the additional knowledge is hollow and whimsical.

>”poltard too dumb”
>”poltard too stupid”
>“incel”
>DILATE
>SEETHE
>REPEAT

cope

FUCK THIS THREAD

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If you didn't get anything from watching A bout or Pierrot you are probably a passive watcher or an uninteresting person or both.
Movies are processes that helps you reflect on your life, so for everyone the effect will be different depending on their approach. It's the same for books.
If you approach it as a passive consumer and expect people to spoonfeed you the "meaning" you might as well stick to capeshit and netflix shows.

>If you are not familiar with the genre you don't know that it's a deconstruction and the rest of the film without the additional knowledge is hollow and whimsical
Yes, his films aren't aimed at low iq people with no cinema knowledge, I'm glad that you've properly identified why you thought the film has no substance.

”poltard too dumb”
>”poltard too stupid”
>“incel”
>”cope”
>DILATE
>SEETHE
>COPE
>REPEAT
Thanks I fixed it!

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Maybe she..
I mean.
Maybe she's just...
Don't get me wrong, please
Maybe she's just ghosting you.

get help

occasionally comfy but largely a hack
at least Truffaut has Stolen Kisses, what the fuck does this guy have?

>seek help

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Yes, there was nothing for me in Breathless. As far as plot goes i have seen that already. In terms of emotions, it invokes no emotions in me.
I don't need to have the meaning spoonfed to me and i don't watch capeshit. The point is the film has no deeper meaning except the deconstruction angle. The plot is banal and characters are banal too. From presentation point it's unique but not as unique as some other better films.
I understood the deconstruction of the genre, but beyond that the film has nothing except different presentation.

I enjoy the "historical" angle they take compared to the misery porn of his other films.
Lullaby in particular almost reads like a Tolstoy novel, with a very surreal tone too.
Family feels much more grounded which in turn makes it perhaps more impactful, and I have a soft spot for movies that tell the story of a country by following generations of a nuclear family.

>I understood the deconstruction of the genre
Really? In what way does it proceed with it then?

don't even bother to watch good movies then, it's wasted on you

>you don't like film therefore don't watch any good films
What do you consider as a good film (not directed by Godard)?

guys wanna get into Rohmer, are the six moral tales must watch??? or what are his must watch movies?

Well in general the film doesn't have the tone of the noir films, it has approximately the same structure but with some different beats. The tone is more comedic, not like a full on comedy but it has kind of whimsical tone to it. Despite following approximately the same structure of noir/gangster films there are some deviations as i said. Most importantly the scene somewhere in the middle where you could say basically nothing happens, it just depicts two people during their daily routine. This kind of digression and for such a long time was unusual. Didn't they discuss some book in this scene? I don't remember. The formal approach is also different as i said, like the scene where he shoots the cop. So the film has more of laconic, laid back style and then classic noir scenes. I think the ending was somehow different but i don't remember what happened.

>tell me how to proceed with this deconstruction of a fucking godard

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Everything by Rohmer is a must watch. You can go chronologically.

it's not a black and white distinction
It's easier to say what are bad films, like capeshit, the harry potters and many genre films (action, horror, comedy, drama)
Even then there is some value you can find in these movies, but it's little and it's mostly lost when they become sequels in franchises
In general, anything that is not made as easily digestable entertainment following well known practices and patters can be good
I'm not very picky and I appreciate the work of many directors that are mentioned in these threads or elsewhere

and seriously speaking, will his films give me a bad lonely feeling if im an old KHV??? ive read his movies are about relationships so i feel it can make me feel like missing those moments

I still don't understand your comment. If you dislike one film which is deemed good by the majority then you shouldn't watch any other films which are deemed good is just stupid.

Some of them yes. Why are you old KHV in the first place?

i was very shy as a youngster and im an introverted person, so i ended not making many friends or even trying something with girls. Ive been going out more and doing other activities lately but i still cant get myself to try to talk to some woman and ask her out for a drink or something if things click.

You should try, better to be rejected than to do nothing at all.

I watched Pierrot le Fou the other day, and that movie literally made me angry on an existential level so fuck this guy and his gay ass “poetic freeform cinema”

my point about "good" films was that I consider Godard films good, while you where arguing the opposite.
The way you approached the movies you saw made it impossible for you to enjoy them because you are set in a framework of passive viewer that is waiting for something you expect to find (which is what you will get from other movies both good or bad), that "deeper meaning" you mentioned
As long as you keep this mindset you won't enjoy Godard, but also you'll appreciate works of other directors much less than what you can, because you have already ingrained in yourself what are the elements of a good movie and if you don't find them you will call it bad

Why do 'cinephiles' hate history?

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be best

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Past is a foreign country.

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unironically based

The Collector, Claire’s Knee, My Night at Maud’s, A Summer’s Tale, The Aviator’s Wife, Pauline at the Beach, Love in the Afternoon, and Boyfriends and Girlfriends are the essentials

I literally read Herodotus not so long ago

That's a lot of assumption. I don't have a framework, or some set of things which need to be in the film for me to consider it good. I said that his films are hollow and thematically empty, the formal part of the film was interesting but not that interesting that i would enjoy the film. I'm not in the mindset that i need some deep meaning in everything, but if i find the film almost completely uninteresting then it would be wrong to pretend that i liked it.

What Godard films have you seen?

Breathless, Pierrot le Fou, Vivre sa Vie

you are right, early godard is fucking boring

used to hate it when I was a contrarian but it's actually great
watch Histoire(s) du Cinéma if you're strong enough
Détective is pretty cool too

>trashing on Kubrick and Tarkovsky to make yourself look cool
Stop being a poser

>seen only these three movies but shitposted about his later works too
Based on your 'analysis' of Breathless I bet you haven't seen that one either and just read the synopsis.

I'm very worried these threads will turn into "I watch older/more obscure movies than you"

Creator of /ART/ here, I just want to say that next time a thread hits bump limit, somebody needs to post the new thread in the previous one. So it's a smooth transition. Also Based Pasolini

asking for a list of themes and meanings to fill the hollow from watching the movie is not a good approach and no one can do that for you the same it can be done for other works that have a different, more univerally understandable style and language

we would not have youtube cringe videos without him

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not to mention this OP didn't put /art/ in the subject line so it's unsearchable, hence barely any posters in the thread

It's already in the shitter because of its 'muh arthouse'

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I hate Kubrick and it's a very unpopular opinion so I don't think it could possibly serve that purpose

I did shitpost and then i explained why it's a deconstruction of a genre. If you have any deeper analysis i'm willing to read it, go ahead.

Why do you 'hate' Kubrick? Hate is a strong emotion young Jedi.

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I asked, because i claimed the films are hollow, the other poster claimed otherwise.

>Height: 5' 8½" (1,74 m)

There's a Fellini joke to make here

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what's your favorite Goethe book?

... and one of them will be my shitting street.

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I don't really, it's hyperbole, but I don't like his films or his style at all

recommend me some modern Godard

Pasolini was a faggot and a pedo, I'm glad he got his dick smashed with a hammer and ran over a bunch of times, fucking pedo commie queer, he burns in hell now.

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>lol women

Your 'explanation' is so amusingly embarrassing but I didn't expect anything more from a haphazard 'breathless deconstruction' google search filtered through the mind of a brainlet. A bout de souffle isn't a deconstruction of a single genre, but of genre cinema as a whole, subverting the previously established cinematic language in more ways than 'uh, the tone was funny but it was supposed to be film noir'. Establishing the themes through the images rather than conventional narration, which is probably what left you grasping at straws when it comes to understanding the film. Godard utilizes the characters not as narrative objects in a conventional cinematic story but rather as subjects in an existentialist philosophical parable. Rather than trying to tell a story, it's an examination of the capacity storytelling medium in itself in the Brechtian sense. Honestly even the time spent typing this up was completely wasted on someone who only got 'lol noir but with funny bits', 'jump cuts' and 'they talked a lot in the middle' out of this film.

I read somewhere that it was because he didn't have enough film.

Are you the same user that complained about New Hollywood and polanski last thread?

>read Antigone
>it's good
>watch Straub-Huillet's Antigone
>it's fucking boring

No?
Pasolini deserved to get murdered though, Salo was him putting to film his degenerate sexual fantasies. And even if he wasn't a sexual deviant, his communist politics made his murder justified too

S-H is one of the worst mubicore memes out there

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Thoughts about Cluny Brown?

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*tips*

>Establishing the themes through the images rather than conventional narration, which is probably what left you grasping at straws when it comes to understanding the film.
Already done before.
>Godard utilizes the characters not as narrative objects in a conventional cinematic story but rather as subjects in an existentialist philosophical parable.
Done before although i would like to here what is the existentialist philosophical parable that he is making.
I have seen the films 4 years ago, maybe after all your praise i will rewatch it although everything you typed was already done before.

>Already done before.
Where?

> muh "done before"

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Bresson.

>renown film scholars praise the film for revolutionizing the cinematic language
>retard from Yea Forums who has seen three Godard movies decides that they are actually incorrect
lmao
Bresson made conventional narrative films you retard, hahah.

your whore son mother was done before but that didn't stop her from shitting out you

Yeah, every second spent typing the previous post was indeed a waste, won't make that mistake again.

yikes

Yesterday I watched Ida and Cold War back to back. The stylishness of both was splendid, though I'd complain that Ida's character development felt unsatisfying compared to the couple from Cold War- a gradual reconsideration of religious life wasn't as affecting as it could have been when the character in question is utterly lifeless.

Anyway, are Pawlekowski's earlier films as good? I feel like his recent two tread the line of style over substance and a lot of the magic would be gone without that sexy B&W

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I have yet to see any Bresson films so i wouldn't know that.

* Religious life hasn't been reconsidered it has been transvalued.

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Varda? Seriously? Truffaut and Goddard made emotionally detached films that demanded much from the viewer, with improvisation often prolonging simple scenes, but Varda? She kinoed the entire 60's with great films, one after the other. Can't see how you'd put her in the same basket as these other two.

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This guy posted hot takes about Godard's experimental films even though he hadn't seen any of them, you can bet that all he knows Varda from is an imdb description of Cleo. Not to mention straight up comparing cahiers to rive gauche filmmakers is pretty funny.

Does a decent, active, IRC channel for films exist anywhere?
The answer is probably no but doesn't hurt to ask

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Is this kino /art/ approved?

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Letterboxd threads used to have 1-3 irc channels but they moved to Discord.

thanks, friends, i really need to push myself to do that so hearing affirmative statements really helps, sincerely.

:)

Shilling our newly reactivated discord filmclub again.

discord.gg/fBmRwNK

Please consider joining if you think you would be interested in discussing Liverpool or other films by Lisandro Alonso this week.

I haven't seen Liverpool yet but my sentiment is similar, I suppose that when La Libertad came out, it was still fairly radical at the time when this strictly bare bones type of slow cinema hasn't been done to death yet, but when you get down to it, I didn't find it particularly enjoyable to watch even though that's something I'm usually into. Unlike for example his Los muertos, which on top of the languid pace and austere setting, actually had a fair share of aesthetically nice and poetic moments. If you liked that one you should give Jauja a shot, it's his straight up best looking film but there's also some rather out of place feeling, surreal stuff like you've mentioned, not to mention the rather unexpected ending.

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What's some good literature about cinema?

Hitchcock Truffaut is classic

Kino facial structure

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Bumping this thread

>Discord
Yeah, fuck that

Yeah I'm not touching that shit without proxy either after having read of their content policy and partners.

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What's wrong with their content policy?

tree of wooden clogs is so got damn kino

agree and arioso at the end is a great ending music

Best Marxist Directors?

Straub-Huillet

Is Sicily a good start to their filmography?

What does /ART/ think about the Antoine Doinel films?

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No, the start of their filmography is.

what’s your favorite Bach cantata?

bump

Yet another bump

bump

WE NEED MORE CONVERSATION

They're pretty good user

You're better off baiting for sneed replies to get free bumps

what's /ART/s favorite chaplin film? For me, its pic related

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the great dictator, the speech at the end still makes me shed tears

City Lights

thoughts on the gold rush?

Absolutely loved it. The tipping house was both quite tense somehow but also hilarious the whole way. The imagery (the contrast between Charlie and Big Jim, for example) was always so on point. The famous bread dancing scene in context is also quite effective in one sense as humor (when it's divorced) but in another as being quite pathetic.

It's great

these threads are destined to fail because what starts as friendly conversation always finishes in a dick measuring contest and no one wants to even participate in something like that.
Prove me wrong.
Pro tip: My dick is bigger so you literally can’t.

We saw this post the first time. Don't need to post it in every thread

Don’t ever reply to me again you small dicked faggot

Who is this meant for?

The whole trilogy is kino. I have to say i like L'Avventura a bit less than La Notte and L'Eclisse but that's alright since La Notte and L'Eclisse are masterpieces.
Watch Last Resort, that one is decent the rest is not so great. I'm not a big fan of The Woman in the Fifth, that one is bad imo.

Bump

>Pasolini wondering wtf this thread

watch the original silent version instead of Chaplin's preferred 1940 cut

you mad?

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I've watched 5 of his movies and I don't really get his overall appeal. I haven't touched any of his gangster stuff yet, however. I liked Obsession, Blow Out, and Sisters, but thought Dressed To Kill and Body Double were pretty bad.

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He has good style, nice camerawork and entertaining films. Especially Blow Out, Body Double and Dressed to Kill are very fun.

it's "just turn your brain off, bro" flicks for artfags and pseuds

Cruising is his best work.

>cruising

I'm being serious. His movie Cruising is his best work though I should've specified that it is the movie.

I don't know whether you are trolling or not but Cruising is Friedkin's film.

He is used as a quantum lambskin by artfags pretending they like normie films and normis pretending they like art films

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I like Friedkin a lot but hated Cruising. Shitty giallo with gay PTSD.

Not him, but cool, I’ve always thought La Notte and L’avventura were absolute masterpieces but didn’t find L’Eclisse as good. It is definitely the most abstract I think that is why I don’t connect as much.

Yes, L'Eclisse is definitely the most abstract and experimental out of all of them. I find the style that he uses in L'Eclisse to be very interesting.

This film was pretty..fucking dumb

It lacked chapo trap house election night 2016 critique of capitalist consumer society I agree, Trumpfags are dumb as shit.

BUMPING

>Question of the day:
Are Giallos considered arthouse?

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ii like david luynch he makes pretty picture sometimes creepy

Yes. Torso is my favorite

I have seen only Suspiria and Bay Of Blood so far but definitely want to watch some more especially when October comes around. I have recently ordered Bird with the Crystal Plumage, what else can you recommend?

Paul Schrader fanedits his own movie
>2018.Dying.of.the.Light-Directors.Cut.Paul Schrader-Dark
youtu.be/lcM8UU07cuY
>“Dark” was filmed in 2013 and released in 2014 under the title “Dying of the Light”. The film was taken from me after the first director’s cut, re-edited, scored and mixed without my input.
>I offered to revisit de film, cut and mix a new version at my own expense but was denied permission by the producers.
>This cut was created using work print DVDs. I had no access to the original hi-res footage and unmixed sound. I used those limitations to my advantage when creating this new film.
>I was working toward a more aggressive editing style when “Dying of the Light” was taken away from me. “Dark” represents the direction I was hoping to go.
>“Dark” was not created for exhibition or personal gain.
it's on piratebay

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Just got done watch The Dead Ringers and thought it was pretty amazing lads. I like the grosser shit in from Cronenberg, but I'm really happy he downplayed the body horror so the movie could focus on the tragedy more. Irons did great being two different people.

I watched Tenerbre a few nights ago and it quickly shot up as one of my favorites from Argento. I also dig Opera and Inferno from him, but I see a lot of love for Deep Red as well.

Aside from Argento, you could look more into Bava, especially with Blood and Black Lace. Only Lucio Fulci I've seen is New York Ripper which I thought was just okay.

Noice.

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Cool, thanks. I will look into those!

>it's a "Paul Schrader films the screen with his phone and cuts the footage into the movie" episode
not joking btw

Dead Ringers is top tier Cronenberg, fantastic performances from Irons.

Not him but Deep Red is my favourite Argento. Everything from Mario Bava is worth watching. From Fulci Don't Torture a Duckling is a good one. The Beyond is more of a horror and lot of people like that one, i didn't. Sergio Martino films, Massimo Dallamano films especially What Have You Done to Solange?. Modern giallo or directors that are inspired by it are Peter Strickland and Bruno Forzani.

Thanks to you too

You are welcome.

i think the only movie ive seen that justified its own 4 hour run time was lawrence of arabia. wouldnt want a single scene shortened.

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I think the Classic Hollywood epics are my least favorite genre from that period. Gone With The Wind is pretty good but overall those films just feel very drawn out and their approach to storytelling is way too literal for my liking. I don't want a film to feel like a novel

Satantango, Love Exposure, The Best of Youth, some Lav Diaz films, La Commune (Paris, 1871), A Brighter Summer Day, Mysteries of Lisbon, Ludwig, Once Upon a Time in America, The Travelling Players are all around 4 hours or more and deserve they runtime i would say.

*Their

Good list! I recently watched As I Was Moving Ahead Occasionally I Saw Brief Glimpsed Of Beauty which was absolutely amazing and definitely earned its 5 hour runtime.
>What is /ART/'s opinion on Jonas Mekas?

Thanks. I haven't seen that one yet. It seems very emotionally heavy. I have only seen Reminiscences of a Journey to Lithuania and it was very good, i want to watch more from him.

I wonder if I can pull off this balding cool guy look.

Yes, it moved me very much and made me remember parts of my childhood I had completely forgotten about

I've seen Dark. It was good.

> Lav Diaz films
> justified runtimes
lmao

Some of them.

Bump

Will we ever see more of Bunuel's Mexican films restored? For me that's his strongest period and way more interesting than the films he did in France later on

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All of them.

youtube.com/watch?v=ym748Pe9EpU

Nazarin got on recently, and it showed at this past Cannes. I hope one for Illusion Travels by Streetcar comes sooner rather than later

Heremias and Woman Who Left were a quite hard to get through imo. I like the rest of his films.

Bump

I love The Gold Rush

damn you need to watch 5 films to find out he is a hack? jesus

Entry level first year college I just discovered criterion pseuds general lmao

Have sex losers

because you don't read novels

I am a literature student actually. I don't think that viewpoint is that uncommon either, it's one of the reasons why voiceover narration is frowned upon

>I am a literature student actually

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What's that image supposed to convey?

> I am a literature student
Just say Commie, we all know you mean it.

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Why would you study literature?

t. uncultured pleb

Because I am interested in it and like to read. I know that you don't have the greatest career prospects but I am not that materialistic anyways.
I am also from Europe btw. I know that culture and education isn't valued as highly in the US

I'm also from Europe, i was just wondering what career path will you choose after you end your education.

McDonald's

McDick wont need you with their automated systems. Your best career path is school teachers, meaning you will live off the state, meaning, you are, a Commie.

If I don't succeed at staying in academia which I am kind of hoping for, I would look into publishing, journalism or media. That's what most of the lit graduates go into here anyways. I could also become a high school teacher but I don't really see myself getting into that.

this is your brain on /pol/

I watched A Ghost Story with a friend, he nudged me asking if I wanted to leave during the pie scene. He got filtered.

Not that bad, i guess.

Academia is part of the Communist controlled information organ; so is Journalism and Media, all manufacturing consent and brainwashing people.

Is it so shocking thought that Communist might have been victorious?

>le epic postmodern marxism boogeyman

>Reddit spacing

populist boogeyman for incredulous retards

Sorry, Sweetie, I don't have much higher opinion of these "Populists" which are just Conservatives hedging their bets in a lambskin of more socialism while pretending to conserve anything while they're legitimizing the system. US Supreme Court denied gay rights 32 times in a row, until gay rights won two in a row, and then the Globohomo 12 month Pride Parade started.

For me, it's HRE but with more robustness and anti-fragility.

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Imagine thinking anything in the U.S is controlled by communists and not neo-cons and neo-libs.

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Another thread derailed by /pol/

I loved Nazarin and look forward to see the new restauration. Illusion travels by streetcar is also great but I would love to see a high definition transfer of pic related. One of the most underrated films of all time in my opinion

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Imagine ignoring the fact that neo-conservatives were Trotskyite Jews from East Europe imported in 20th century to US.

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For a literature student you have a pretty narrow-minded vision of what literature is.

I just like my films to work more with genuine cineastic means and I don't think those classic Hollywood epics really work like that. Gone with the wind feels like a novel to me

> I just like my films to work more with genuine cineastic means and I don't think those classic Hollywood epics really work like that

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that's not reddit spacing, you fucking mongoloid newfag

Like that matters when they've turned into warmongers and protectors of the deep state and the neo-liberals support them lol. You're delusional /pol/goloid.

What's /art/'s opinion on City of Women and on Fellini in general? Also how come that almost anything that Marcello Mastroianni touches turns into kino?

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They didn't turn into warmongers, they were quite the revolutionary agitators themselves. Communist Parties in East Europe incl. Russia had high % of Jews (at least until Stalin purges).

B*ring.

I am entirely open to changing my mind on this. What are some great cinematic epics you can recommend?

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recommend the best art films about a failing relationship

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This has been on my watchlist for a long time and I really enjoyed Innocence. The silent era is known to be more cinematic though

That old napoleon movie

Also anybody knows if there is a torrent out for the criterion version of war and peace?

Alienation trilogy from Antonioni. I wouldn't recommend it if you are going through something like that.

I need more like this, American Friend and Mean Streets.

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he's the human who looks the most like a chimpanzee I've ever seen

>Not having criterion channel

>tfw can’t find the time to watch a 4-hour film

Speaking of Diaz, is “Norte the End of History” a good place to start? Downloaded it a while ago at someone’s recommendation

Any arthouse horror recs?

No, that's his shittiest movie at the point where he sold out for cannes bucks.

Yes, that's one of his more accessible films i would say.

Kek

OP is gay

Romeo is Bleeding, China Moon, Bad Lieutenant, Homicide, and Tightrope are all great, taut police focused neo-noirs with the same kind of “in too deep and sinking fast” vibe of TLaDiLA (which is ofc a total masterwork). Cutter’s Way, Body Heat, Body Double, Hardcore, Parallax View, and The Long Goodbye are others to look at, but not with the cop focus.

Can’t remember Mean Streets well enuff to make a rec and haven’t watched that Wenders yet.

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Long Goodbye strays too far from what I look for, while Bad Lieutenant is exactly what I look for. Haven't seen Homicide, and China Moon, or Tightrope. I could check Hardcore, looks interesting.

Add the Al Pacino gay serial killer kino Cruising to that list too - also from Billy Friedkin.

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split it in 2

kinda boring but I do like 2 Or 3 Things I Know About Her and I didn't outright hate anything of his. I definitely like Francois Truffaut, Agnes Varda, William Klein, and Demy's non-musicals* more than Godard's movies.

*what a shame it was that Demy didn't make more movies that weren't musicals. his movies looked great, and I would have liked more movies like Lola that were quirky but didn't have (much) singing. Umbrellas of Cherbourg and The Young Girls of Rochefort are so bright and colorful but the singing, especially Umbrellas' singing every line of dialog, is infuriating. Serves him right for being a faggot who wanted to make musicals that he died of AIDS. also it's funny that Agnes Varda was his "wife" and she didn't die of any AIDS. if anybody can shed some light on this please do. also catherine deneuve was ugly.

not a big fan of Pasolini or really any Italian flick, they come across as melodramatic and not very self aware, Bicycle Thieves was enjoyable but it was too campy. The Gospel According to St Matthew was great but it was almost ruined by Pasolinis autistic decision to insert the most grating American jazz music he could find at random intervals. I almost had to turn the movie off every time that stupid “sometimes I feel like a motherless child” track played. Just the conception of his movie Salo is incredibly annoying to me, I hate that movie. Everyone picks it in those criterion closet vids and all the YouTube normies have it in their collections, I just hate that people always love sensationalized gross movies like that, it’s not /art/. Also pls add me on Letterboxd

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Have you seen Visconti's, Antonioni's or Fellini's films?

I watched Senso by Luchino Visconti and it left me pretty cold. Also a long time ago I watched Ran by Akira Kurosawa which was a gigantic production, and I definitely didn't like it as much as his earlier, smaller scale samurai movies.

Pasolini is shit, hes only known for edgy shlock that isn't even edgy anymore by todays standards
>DEY EAT DA POOPOO

glad this faggot got merked

>Sunrise 3 stars
>Tokyo Story 4 stars

For real have you ever dole out a 5 star review? I hand them out like candy to good films esp a good chunk of established canon works that work for me.

To me two and a half is the borderline between positive and negative reactions to a film - something akin to apathy (not quite the same, since genuine apathy is a negative trait). 3 stars is something I have a tingle of joy about or admiration for. 4 is good and 5 is excellent. 3.5 and 4.5 are of course a scale.

My review are massively skewed towards 4s and 5s as a combination of this and my preference to watch films of high reputation, but surely the approach to the scale is logical and correct!

anybody else have the video stop suddenly, and never start again unless you skip a few seconds later? it happens a lot.

overall I'm happy with things but that drives me nuts.

Onibaba

Hour of the Wolf
Don't Look Now
Anti-christ

it may not be considered "arthouse," but I think Bava's Kill, Baby... Kill is really great and fairly close to that feel

i don't have that problem with CC, but I do with Kanopy

Not him, but I've only given 5 stars to a handful of movies, those that are my very favorites, films I can watch forever.

Generally speaking, I can't fucking handle ratings and rankings at all. I'm never satisfied with them and can't help comparing my ratings, when I look at a group of movies I've given the same rating to I feel like they don't belong together at all.
I did a year where I rated every single movie I watched and ended up being extremely dissatisfied with a lot of the ratings.
Now I don't rate anything at all, haven't in a while.

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Taking ratings too seriously there.

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Learn your place

8

I'm not, that's why I don't even bother anymore

i fell a little bit for muh bell curve autism desu, and i go back and go through some of the ratings to rebalance it every few months

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here's mine.
is having an even curve supposed to be somehow desirable or something? I tend to already know if the chances of me enjoying a movie are really low, so I don't watch it in the first place

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No, I haven’t seen any of their films. I’d probably like them but I’m just turned off to that style of filmmaking, it seems to me that most contemporary French or Italian arthouse flicks and most of the stuff on criterion just has this vulgar feel to it, like it’s probably going to be about someone cheating on their husband or something idk it’s just not interesting, it feels dated these sort of nihilistic sad movies.
I’ve given all my favorites 5s, two other Tarkovsky films and I gave Nainsukh a 4 1/2. It would just feel cheap if I gave Sunrise or Tokyo Story a higher rating, Sunrise has clear technical limitations that just hold it back, with other silent films this isn’t as apparent, like with Faust or Nosferatu it feels more natural. But Sunrise the silent aspect is nothing other than a clear technical limitation and it takes a lot from the film. I feel like Tokyo Story also sort of ends in a slump, and like with other Ozu films, the ‘feel good’ aspect and tone can get sort of annoying, I just don’t really like family dramas. I still enjoyed watching them I just don’t think they deserve a 5, it would just feel cheap and like I’m not really respecting the act of curation of real kino.

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For me,

its precode

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How do you choose your favorites?
Personally, it's the movies that I love so much that they have endless rewatch value for me. I ask because, frankly, I find it hard to believe you pick them the same way, looking at your choices. Am I wrong?

>is having an even curve supposed to be somehow desirable or something?
who knows? probably not.

>I tend to already know if the chances of me enjoying a movie are really low, so I don't watch it in the first place
eh depends, my curve is heavier on the positive side because yeah, on my own i usually seek out stuff i'm interested in and that usually pans out to a 4+ rating, but i also like to keep up with notable new releases even if i'm not a fan of the director/cast or the story seems weak, and i see a bunch of mainstream shit with friends or family (e.g., i've seen every MCU movie except Endgame)

>No, I haven’t seen any of their films. I’d probably like them but I’m just turned off to that style of filmmaking, it seems to me that most contemporary French or Italian arthouse flicks and most of the stuff on criterion just has this vulgar feel to it, like it’s probably going to be about someone cheating on their husband or something idk it’s just not interesting, it feels dated these sort of nihilistic sad movies.
That's just how people behave in real life.

I guess your friends don't know you give the movies you watch with them 1 star ratings, that's hilarious

It's also how people don't behave. It's the filmmakers choice to focus on the people that do
And besides the choice of what to film there's also the choice of how to film it, which is everything.

>I tend to already know if the chances of me enjoying a movie are really low, so I don't watch it in the first place
cringe

They focus on these things because they are sources of meaty dramatic conflict that drives narrative,

seething

>tend to already know if the chances of me enjoying a movie are really low, so I don't watch it in the first place
so you've never been pleasantly surprised by a movie you thought was going to be mediocre and turned out to be good or entertaining? it's a great feel tbqhwy

Judging book by its cover is lindy. Of course a leftoid insect rejects this, as it is rather darwinian and anything negentropic is haram for liberals.

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Yes. It's not like the filmmakers that i mentioned focus only on that. There are other themes and the presentation is interesting in all of them. The Italian films you described are neorealistic films and Pasolini is a very singular filmmaker.

Mediocre? Sure. I just mean I tend to spot completely worthless trash a mile away, I'm talking about things I'd give one star to, which I don't dole out lightly.

Nice projecting.
>I only watch what I like
is the resident excuse of undiscerning faggots that only watch safe entry level shit.

> projection
now *thats* projection, my dear universalist.

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On the other hand, the opposite impulse is what compels brain dead quislings to watch hours of Stan Brakhage’s shit smeared on reels of celluloid and sniff their farts talking about its profound significance.

>no U

and rationalize it later with some sunk cost fallacies.

It’s very subjective and convoluted, and possibly even induced through some sort of mania. Like for instance, The Tribulations of Balthazar Kober is probably objectively not a very good movie, especially if you watch It in its original Polish (I watched it in a French dub because that was the only version I could find, its much better in French) but my psychological state at the time of watching, and even some strange unexplainable events that happened after I watched it that seemed to have an odd connection to the film, made it a very special and memorable film In my mind. It leaves a powerful impression on me still, and I still hum Rosa’s tune that she sings to Balthazar quite frequently, possibly even daily. It’s the same with the other choices. When I first watched Ugetsu I didn’t think it was anything special, and I thought it was even kind of boring. Then one night maybe a month or two later I turned it on just to play in the background and I ended up watching the whole thing again, and another time the next day. The music, the themes and the sort of sweeping poetic composition just affected me differently and I sort of became obsessed with it. Idk it’s just something instinctual and arbitrary. All my favorites become my favorites usually on the second or third viewing

Fair enough, I can understand that. Apparently you're the only guy who has that movie as a favorite on LB.

>All my favorites become my favorites usually on the second or third viewing
Same for me.

next thread, apparently

New Thread:

what the fuck, there already is one and I even posted it right above