Okay millennials, riddle me this! If asuka died before instrumentality why did she come back to life on the beach?

Her soul was still hanging around
Souls take a good 45 minutes to leave a dead body

because since shinji rejected instrumentality anyone who died, if they so wish, can come back alive. get fucked retard

Everyone who died in the movie went to instrumentality(with the potential exception of Gendo who could have been denied with his soul annihilated if that's what your read on his death is). There's probably at least a few hours grace period for souls to get there after the body dies.

>English
"How disgusting" straight back to being a bitch
>Japanese
"I feel awful." Sounds more like self reflection, could even be remorse

Every thing that had lived on earth was joined together in instrumentality.

Theres a good chance that Gendo was rejected from it and perma killed.

Yui also was doomed to float around in space in Unit 01 forever cold and alone.

the immortal space-drifting yui is the most depressing part in all eva desu

No.
She's turned herself into another Seed of Life - a new Adam or Lillith

Shell eventually drift to a world where she can release her LCL and kick start evolution

THIS WAS YUI'S PLAN ALL ALONG - 54D CHESS

>AT fields == keeps souls in bodies
>orange goop = no more AT fields
>being dead == soul not in body.
Look up gates of guf.
>117462283
There is nothing to suggest gendo didn't reach instrumentality. It's a reach to suggest the seeds or rei would target him specifically and shinji was driving remember. I doubt he hated gendo so much as to eradicate him from existence. No reason not to let him be with yui.

Seele wanted to merge with the adam/lilith to form the perfect 'god' containing all human souls/consciousness. their plan was most likely to use unit 02 not 01 which is why they sent Kaworu as a replacement for Auska and became worried when unit 01 absorbed an angel's S2 engine

No thanks.
If this is what 4.0 turns into I'm fucking done.

Was the Asuka in the kitchen scene real?

Don't think it physically happened. The question is whether it was Asuka's and Shinji's selves in instrumentality or it was just Sjinji's projection of Asuka in his head.

Yes, this is what I keep asking and everyone seems to have a different answer.

isn't there a 24 hour window

...

If that's the case then go with whatever makes more sense to you. The Asuka in this scene tells him some stuff about him just running to her and never loving himself etc. Whether your take is that Asuka is telling him this or Shinji himself is playing out this conflict and realizing this stuff about himself. I personally think it's the former as I think he's still too escapist and dense at this point.

name a better sequence in any medium than Third Impact. you can't

This is something I used to wonder about to. If Asuka clearly died and was able to come back from Instrumentality, does that mean Abraham Lincoln had a chance to come back too? What about everyone who ever died ever? In all honesty once you see EoE as Anno saying "Look guys: anime didn't work out for me, I just want to make arthouse films now" then it becomes less confusing, and you start viewing the events of the movie less literally and more artistically.

It's a pretty popular interpretation these days that it did literally happen prior to EoE at some point before Asuka's mind rape. Specifically, it would have happened after Asuka and Shinji had sex, which also probably happened prior to EoE and is hinted at through imagery.

Uh, ex-fucking-cuse me
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every Lilith based organism to ever live joined instrumentality. this includes every dead person

All souls are held in a pocket dimension by the Black Moon known as the Chamber of Guf and constantly recycled as living creatures are born and die, when third impact happened a global scale anti-AT field was deployed, the physical forms of every living creature liquefied back into LCL and their souls were captured and sucked into this dimension all at once.

The characters that died prior to instrumentality still wound up in the same place and thanks to Shinji, they also have the choice to return to individual life if they want to.

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Twin Peaks The Return, Part 8

What about animals and plants lads? They all turned into orange juice aswell, right? How can they come back

Lol we'll probably all be done with it anyway since that's probably the last thing there's going to be.

Well, you can interpret Yui's words as "you need to be self-aware to come back from instrumentality". Are animals self-aware? If not, I don't see how they can come back.

So humanity goes extinct and Shinji sits floating in Eva 1 above a dead planet until the heat death of the universe?

So humanity is basically fucked up if they decide to come back

The LCL should contain all the nutrition we need to be healthy, new life will spring from it anyway.

So we have to eat rock slime for 1 billion years while things evolve again?

I think humans can will plants and animals back into existence
Think of the LCL like the sea from solaris

the universal consciousness probably has some power over LCL can could force evolve animals, it was supposed to give seele godly powers remember

All humans have the same soul.
None really dies in Eva.

Instrumentality turned all souls, living and dead, into tang.

Gendo was turned into Tang like everyone else, only Yui was excluded which wss the worst outcome for him because he only wanted to merge with her.

>Be Shinji
>decide to stop instrumentality and come back
>suddenly alone, apparently everyone is enjoying themselves quite a lot in the LCL sea
>undisclosed amount of time passes (you can tell by the fact that he made graves for some people)
You can tell by his expression that he was on the verge of going insane. Hence it is not surprising that his first impulse upon seeing Asuka was strangling her. He probably didn't believe it was real or was full of hate because he stop instrumentality and came back to be with everyone, but apparently nobody wants to be with him

Misato got tang'd too, so it apparently worked on dead bodies.

Isn't that what she wanted though? She knew that when she merged with 01.

Souls are literal physical things in Eva. Souls that died years ago probably floated away from earth or some shit.

1) Plants don’t have souls they wouldn’t turn into LCL
2) Pretty sure animals aren’t included

The Tang is LITERALLY the primordial soup which gave rise to all life in the first place.

Fuckin show sucked. It was too overhyped and I expected more than some basic bullshit.
But if it confused you , you are a brainlet

I have a better question. What was Rei-Lillith's tax policy?

The particulars are related to concepts from Jewish/Christian/Buddhist mysticism. If you don't understand how reincarnation is supposed to work from the Jewish cosmological perspective and how instrumentality equals Nirvana and so forth it's not actually that simple. Call it contrived if you want but it is confusing.

No. That wasn't the actual asuka, just shinji's instrumentality version of her. It's why she doesn't do anything when he strangles her, but the real version later does react (in an unexpected way) when shinji strangles her again on the beach

I assume the authors believe in reincarnation. So Lincoln could have been now say, Fuyutsuki.

They all included Instrumentality affected all Lilith-based life (i.e. everything that has evolved on our planet, even bacteria). Note there's no more vegetation or birds chirping or w/e after instrumentality happens.

Are the first couple of episodes of this unbelievably slow? I've been hearing about this anime for 20 years now about how it's a thought provoking masterpiece and it's super fucking boring

Gendo is the only character in the entire series you don't see turn into LCL. His body is just standing upright. It's very obvious from that and Yui/Rei's dialog that he was rejected from instrumentality and instead just killed/sent to oblivion. In fact Anno described it as Gendo being "condemned to Mu (nothingness)".

He's literally the only true death of the series.

What do you want to see happen that would make it seem fast and entertaining?

Yes you can actually set your watch to when the series goes from slice of life monster of the week shonen mecha to crazy mindfuck subversion. Episode 16

Yes. It doesn't get exceptionally good until roughly 16 episodes in

Anno had a mental breakdown like halfway through the show so it gets crazier as it goes.

Wonder what's gonna happen in season two !!

How'd Yui ever love the guy enough to marry him anyway? At what point did she realize he was the king of the assholes and needed to be killed, then removed from existence entirely?

And what was with Gendo's ultimate obsession with Yui when he originally got together with her for political gain?

3.0 and 4.0 are basically Season 2.

You'd think she would want to be with her family more than floating around space forever

Yui not actually loving Gendo is a popular theory, she certainly did manipulate him.

However she probably did care for him a bit, as seen when Young Rei (a clone of Yui) insults Naoko Akagi into strangling her after she finds out that Gendo and Naoko are lovers.

The first two episodes are subversive. The mecha doesn't even move and we learn it's actually a cyborg. From there the show becomes generic mecha then the second half is le 2deep4u insanity that changed anime forever.

She was always a crazy bioengineer scientist and daughter of a SEELE member over a loving mother who wanted a family

Her goal was to preserve the memory of humanity and probably become mother to a new race. Drifting through space in Unit 01 (a clone of Lilith) with an S2 engine and a Lance of Longinus means she can create life if she ever lands anywhere

But Rei is Lilith, her body is just a copy of Yui's. I always just attributed her "old hag" comments to autism.

Were units 00 and 02 both cloned from Adam or was only 02 an Adam clone? I can't remember.

Rei's body is cloned from Yui. A fragment of her soul/personality still exists inside her.

The Old Hag comment was directly because she was pissed that she saw Gendo and Naoko flirting with each other in public and got jealous.

he was a totally different man before she died. he also wasnt an entirely an asshole and clearly wanted the best for humanity which meant challenging SEELE, even if it was so he could see yui again. his death scene in EoE proves that him and shinji were very much alike.

I almost called it because of how boring and predictable the show was but it does get better at ep.16. Just know it’s overrated, it’s nothing spectacular or particularly thought provoking

>it’s nothing spectacular or particularly thought provoking
Go back to Episode 1 and try again

All Eva's besides 01 were cloned from Adam. In the montage of footage from Ep 23 though you see Unit 01 being spawned from Lilith.

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did old hag not come from gendo joking with rei in private?

mmmmmm but I thought all clones in the show are empty vessels devoid of souls which is why the Evas need a pilot and why the dummy Rei's weren't real people which is why Ritsuko said there was nothing wrong about dissolving them.

Shinji was right , no one really likes him or cares about him.

If Yui was outside of the instrumentality how did she talk to Shinji ?

Ritsuko was being a bitch, all of the Rei's have some personality to them.

but the other episodes are essential to have the effect go from a weird and depressive mecha to a romantic comendy once Asuka joins only to go absolutely mental during the last episodes

>watching NGE after Rei 2 dies

>Kaji is kill
>Asuka is AWOL
>Misato grieving
>Shinji listening SDAT and rejecting Misato on a rebound
>Ritsuko raped
>Tokyo 3 is kill

Jesus Christ Raimi...

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Gendo had something that made him a pussy magnet. I am surprised Misato never never fell there as well

she wasn't outside instrumentality she was just inside Unit 01 during it. Eva's provide a degree of protection from instrumentality. Which is why Rei had to coerce Shinji into it by transforming into Kawrou, letting him in so to speak.

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I guess that makes sense seeing as how there's a fragment of Asuka's mom in the otherwise souless unit 02.

NGE >>>>>>>>>>>> mediocrity >EoE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> liquid shit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rebuilds
you know it's true

Bitches love conviction.

>Ritsuko raped

I don't remember that. Gendo?

nah that guy thinks she was raped while in reality she was "only" ridiculed by being interrogated by the seele monoliths while naked

After the destruction of Unit 00, Gendo gave SEELE "a compensation" by "interrogating" Ritsuko.

The soldiers raped her before the interrogation, senpai.

Oh yeah.

Was this guy the most level headed person in the show?

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Yeah I agree, but that doesnt stop it from being a slow burn at the beginning

He was also a cuck.

cringe

Rei is the absolute best though.

This. Was hardcore in love with Yui but just tolerated his student banging her instead

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What the fuck was his and Gendo's relationship? Obviously the teacher/student back in the day, but how the fuck did Gendo go from student to fucking Commander of Nerv while Fuyutski was Vice Commander?

Fuyutsuki is a very valid, but moral upstanding man.
Gendo is ambitious, ruthless, and able to spot people useful to him and connect.
Welcome to the world.

seele specifically say they don't want to merge with unit 1, their goal is to combine humanity into a god-like entity like the ayylmaos that has the traits of both humans and angels

really makes more sense for gendo to want to merge with the robot all things considered

It always seems to me that after the second impact the lack of competent people and his knowledge of biology various other useful things made Fuyutski easy to coerce into working with Nerv. After that he seemed to be kinda blackmailed/trapped there and just went with it.

Seele were interested in yuis research so he got in because of their relationship.

>Kills without remorse
>Never loved anyone
>The only person who turns into tang with screaming pain

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Seems like an incel

Fuyutsuki was obsessed with Yui and simply wanted to be around her, even if it meant putting up with Gendo.

When Yui died he wanted to meet her again and thought instrumentality was the best way to do so

Probably the most common method of instrumentality worldwide

>tfw metabiology isn't a real major

>Overbudgeted
>Incompetent (mentally unbalanced) people in charge
>Classifying the reason why 14 year olds need to pilot the EVA
>Resort to sabotage competitors due to desperation

NERV was a mistake.

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I was kinda shocked, he looked like a swell guy

Once Shinji rejects instrumentality, this guy is straight outta tang in no time.

Speaking of fuyutsuki does anyone else find it funny how he agrees to go on gendos little elevator ride to the most secluded and secret area on earth mere moments after revealing his plot expose seele to the public?
That's just suicidal.

If instrumentality succeeded they'd all come back anyway

He just didn't give a shit anymore

That entire episode was shit and just raised more questions.

>Does Unit 00 hate Ritsuko, her mother or Rei 2?
>Rei 1, a child, in most secret base despite being a clone, how did she get permission
>Young Ritsuko not having valid ID and not getting killed or raped by the soldier
>What was Kaji's mission in the first place?

One thing I always wondered. Is LCL edible? What did Shinji and whoever rejected instrumentality survive on? Considering there wasn't any food or water.

Non-stop gangbang on Asuka.

Yes. It's said it's highly nutritious.

Shinji lives off of it After instrumentality. And since eva pilots age slowly (see Rebuild) it could have been many years before Asuka came back

That was fucking hilarious

hot take: everything after the OG serie is not canon, just pure fanservice

Based

>see Rebuild
That was just a dumb cop out excuse that would let anno keeping selling the same merchandise even with a timeskip in the story.

This

Is EoE part of the OG series? If so, I agree.

Soul transplantation annoys me the most for some reason. If they were doing this so easily, they have already reached a divine level.

No contrarian fags like to pretend ep 25/26 were good to seem smart

The director of Eps 25/26 Kazuya Tsurumaki admitted that EoE was a truer vision to what they originally intended and that the episodes were afflicted by budget cuts

Dangerously based.

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Why is it so hard to replicate the same feeling of loneliness and isolation which NGE grasped perfectly?

All those scenes are pure kino.

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>What was Kaji's mission in the first place?
Working for Seele then Gendo and probably spying him as well then he stopped giving a fuck and just wanted to know what was Seele up to.

Death and Rebirth my man

This except worse, Anno lost it and is basically just about promoting his waifus.

it was literally made to please the fanbase after receiving death threats cause they weren't happy with the OG serie ending
>I don't understand the ending reeeee give me giant flying monster fights reeeeeeee

the protagonist - and avatar of the show creator -is such a faggot - a literal one by the end of the show - that i couldnt care about it.

if being the pilot of a giant robot and surrounded by hot chicks doesnt make you happy, KYS.

and, of course:

> asuka best girl

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Where to cop?

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And making Rei braindead along the way
Making his waifu superior

Both endings are perfect and go hand in hand for ultimate kino

>Misato drinking beer at morning

What a disgusting slut.

read Murakami's Kafka on the shore, it conveys the same feeling
might be true but rebuilds are fucking shit

It's confirmed fact that their budget got cut for episodes 25/26, forcing them to have incomplete animation sequences. The "it's so genius and was always intended" is just damage control. The production staff itself confirms this.

I don't see how this is supposed to deny what I wrote here

Yeah. Imagine fucking ruining your own magnum opus with a bunch of shitty sequels just cause asuka wasn't "popular enough".

They would have done it from the start if they could. Seele invading nerv is represented with a single line of text on the screen, you think that was just the artistic vision?

What's your opinion on the theory that NGE is a representation of escapism (Wich Shinji overcomes by refusing to be Tanged)

And that Anno deliberately turned the rebuild into garbage on purpose to shit on the escapists fans of the serie and their waifus

user the first episodes are the comfiest. Especially 4.

it was pretty obvious to me that with was so much that.

problem with people that start with the whole immersion bullshit is that they ignore everything that happends on the production and pretend 'it was all this great plan'.

you dont start a show about giant robots smashing monsters and end with old animation and introspective gay ansiety attack.

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I felt that. But I haven't watched the rebuild.

Wich line was it ?

Because even if she was dead her being was still turned into tang in instrumentality, which Shinji then rejected. She's shown bandaged which is symbolic for when Rei was bandaged at the start of the anime. Book-ends and all that.

>people died during Instrumentality

Makes me wish I had one of those brainlet images. 6/10 because I think you might be serious.

My teenage niece is going through a hard time, she feels lonely and without a purpose in the world. I'm thinking about showing her the original series, some themes might resonate in her and help her be more self aware and understand that life is what we make it. y/n?

Not what happened.

NGE is definitely a criticism of esacpism (only look at Asuka for that one, girl is lost), but the Rebuilds embrace esapism.
The worst kind, the fanboy type. Anno is bitter that Rei was immensively popular and no one gave a shit about Asuka in the 90's and 2000's, so the guy essentially set out to wreck Rei's character and promote Asuka.

The whole Rebuild series is really just a aggressive stunt where he sets up Rei and Shinji to grow together, and then makes that somehow cause the world ending, so that the third movie can make passive aggressive "lol who cares about rei" comments.

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If she already likes anime, go for it.

Ironically, I like Rei's portrayal in the rebuilds more than I do Asuka's. And I'm an Asukafag.

>>Japanese
>"I feel awful." Sounds more like self reflection, could even be remorse

Here's the VA's account of how the line was conceived:
>Concerning the final line we adopted, I'm not sure whether I should say about it in fact. At last Anno asked me "Miyamura, just imagine you are sleeping in your bed and a stranger sneaks into your room. He can rape you anytime as you are asleep but he doesn't. Instead, he masturbates looking at you, when you wake up and know what he did to you. What do you think you would say?" I had been thinking he was a strange man, but at that moment I felt disgusting. So I told him that I thought "Disgusting". And then he sighed and said "... thought as much." He said. " I thought as much."

The dub had it right all along.

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no. fuck no.

the end of the show is not the 'real' end of the show, the real end is the 'end of evangelion' and it manages to be even more depressing.

and she wont stop at the end of the show, she will watch the end of evangelion and become even more miserable.

I've brought this up before and I will again because it has baffled even long time fans of the series.

WHY was Rei living/allowed to live in absolute squalor in a rundown part of the city? Yes, I know she grew up in the lab and makes her surroundings similar because of it. I mean, why would one of the world's most important people be allowed to just live alone in a decaying old building in a shitty run down city block? Wouldn't this raise questions as to why this young child was living alone? Why isn't she given better living conditions?

she never watched any anime but then again I tend to hate anime too but I like this and a few others
my only fear is that this will alienate her even further, which tends to happen with a lot of anime for a lot of people
she really trusts me when it comes to movies/shows, and she watches them on my plex server, so if I tell her that everything after the original series sucks (which I honestly believe) or remove them from my server she won't watch it

>it manages to be even more depressing.
this is not true

the show works with its own internal logic.

tell me wich 14 boy wouldnt love with a horny girl who start her day with beer, screaming and also have a bunch of cute girls from his own age?

and they go the school. they explain why later and the explanation is dumb and doesnt make any sense.

its a chinese cartoon at the end of the day, people should not overthink.

I felt legitimately bad for the Jet Alone team. Apart from being kind of dickish to NERV at a press conference, they really didn't do anything that bad it seems. There were several instances where their robot could have really helped the Evangelions in situations were breaching an AT field wasn't required. (Unit 0 holding the space shuttle to block Ramiel's particle beam, for instance.) SEELE was a real pack of assholes.

That's a no-brainer, as an Asukafag you would naturally enjoy seeing Rei's character wrecked.
Even more than you'd enjoy seeing Asuka boosted.

Tell her to watch 1-26, if she likes it mention that there's a movie that's slightly darker but ultimately has the same hopeful message the series did, and let her decide for herself to watch EoE.

but then again why caress him if the first feeling you feel is disgust for him

They have security watching over her, and it's probably a "hiding in plain sight" kind of deal.

If they don't treat her like a Goddess, no one finds out.

I didn't like Rei because I thought her character was being wrecked, and I didn't like Asuka in the rebuilds at all.

She was modest. Material needs did not matter to her at all, except Gendo's glasses; which are sentimental value

Suuuuuure.

I get that and you are right, it does operate on internal logic. But, based on that internal logic, Rei should be located closer to the school they all go to with some sort of "caretaker" looking after her.
But don't you think it's too far the other way? People should be going, "why the FUCK is this young girl living by herself in the slums?"
You are totally right and that makes sense to her character. But she can still have those values living in better conditions. It makes no sense to have her by herself out in this creepy old part of the city. She can have a room set up the way she likes it but closer to everyone else.

>rebuilds

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youve gotta put a lot of faith in yoir judgment on that trust. i would tell you to thread lightly, because the end of the original show is bad enough to make the fans ASK for a new one.

and them they did and double it down on the weirdness.

it literally ends with humanity destroyed, shinji not being able to finding forces to fight and trying to choke asuka.

the last words of the end are: 'how disgusting'.

>But don't you think it's too far the other way? People should be going, "why the FUCK is this young girl living by herself in the slums?"

Shinji almost ended up the same way, living alone if not Misato took him in.

>youve gotta put a lot of faith in yoir judgment on that trust
she grew up without a father, I'm the closest thing to a dad she's ever had
I have my reson to think that she'll listen to me

You gotta see the positive in it.

...

>it literally ends with humanity destroyed
not really

What's the matter? Too DEEP for you?

Yes, but with Shinji, we don't know if he would have eventually been taken care of as he was then entrusted with piloting the EVA unit. Asuka was given proper living conditions when she moved, it would be assumed Shinji would have been too. So, why not Rei?

Humanity is not destroyed. Whoever wants, can go back and un-tang.
Adam was BTFO
Seele was BTFO
Shinji's mom can be a god-mom in space
Shinji affirmed himself and rejected instrumentality
You gotta re-watch the PRECISE gestures of the two of them in the last scene, and remember the attitude of Asuka.

I don't know if you're being ironic but the actual reason is that waifus can't age out of their cunny phase. That's Anno's whole statement about anime as escapism for turboweebs in the Rebuilds.

>Pre-Asuka episodes
>Shinji having hard time living with his guardian Misato and the pressures of piloting an Eva
Thesis

>Asuka episodes
>Bright and optimistic point of view and Asuka showing no pressure piloting an Eva
Antithesis

>Post-Asuka meltdown episodes
>Suicide and depression simulation
Synthesis

When Homer visits the farming store in AABF19

Uh, no

If that was it, then I'm pretty sure the better option would be to have the balls to age the characters, not provide MORE cunny characters. Holy shit what a dupe you are, Anno is laughing all the way to the bank.

Oh fuck, this artist...

Why did netflix remove the truth or dare episode?

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>living in better conditions.

>Bed
>Kitchen
>Bathroom
>A desk

She has everything she needs. She doesn't care about material needs, neither does she want human interaction.

>and that's what makes human interaction worth-while

but that's not true at all.

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so do it but watch next to her, to help put things in perspective.

i find the ending cool. i didnt like some aspects, the artsy fartsy scenes on real japan and all, but the ending was like a lynch movie to me: did not 'get it', but enjoy it.

im talking here about showing to a young girl who feels lonely, i think on that context, there should be some sort of care.

Wait, what the fuck? I watched it on an anime site or something like that and never saw this before.

a literal bottle pisser wrote this post

This show is fucking dumb. Stop talking about it.

Waifus are just 2D characters. Anno or a writer can make them age into old grannies and BTFO the waifufags if he wanted.

But Anno is a waifufag himself, so the only thing he'll do is promote his own waifus, and keep them young. That's what he did.

I know that. You are right. She could live on the moon with the pair of glasses and be happy. I'm saying, in context with the show, everyone else should be asking questions as to why she's living alone and in squalor. NERV should be like, "oops lol maybe we shouldn't draw attention to our EVA pilot clone who lives by herself and make her live with someone closer to the school." But no one questions it. That's what is the dumb part.
Rei takes me as the kind of person to keep her toenail clippings

Probably not, if you do show it to her she'll end up like another generic Discord e-girl with anime avatars pretending to be cutesy and shit.
t. experience

she doesn't know what discord is
hell she doesn't even has a facebook account

>Shinji having confidence
>Cucking Toji. the biggest Chad of the show
>Hikari being hesitant and resort to the biggest incel betafag.

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It could go either way. People in EVA are japanese and the japanese and they don't give a fuck about someone suffering.

More important question: what does Asuka stew taste like?

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The episode is non-canon.
>new girl shows up once and never mentioned again

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The world portrayed in NGE is suffering. No one is happy and the rest of the folk marry due to fear of loneliness despite the end is near.

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Only Lilith-based organism, so, only humans

Kys brainlet

This is honestly the best answer I have gotten so far from my autistic nitpicking about Rei's living conditions. Thank you.
At least there is cool EVA fights to watch sometimes.

>actual best girl is not canon

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No probs bro.

Remember that Rei is love, Rei is life.

Post best girls

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>the entire fucking problem and conflict of 3.33 is that not one fucking person tells Shinji what happened at the end of 2.22. They could tell him what happened he wouldn't have run off to join his dad and meet his gay boyfriend for 40 minutes of gay piano music and NONE of the fucking conflict would have even existed
Yes, I fucking mad.

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Watch this and then come back.

youtu.be/rHIvs0Q-uKI

Watched it, the guy who made it is obviously an autistic an delusional eva fanboy making excuses for his drug.

>it was literally made to please the fanbase
LMAO what? Have you seen the movie? It's a giant middle finger to the "fanbase"

Not Asuka, she was an amalgam of all the women Shitji had feelings for

see The Rebuilds aren't deep, if it was trying to criticize something intelligently it wouldn't have made the enormous blunder of benefiting characters that are coincidentally Anno's favorite characters, while brutally mangling their would-be "rivals" in the story, i.e Rei.

From what I remember it was an afterlife type thing where sinji and asuka were in their perfect world.
Sinji is in his perfect world it is just that it is based on his depression and feelings. Asuka saying how disgusting is what sinji would want her to say.
Sinji cannot accept a world where he is perfect so he got one where everything is bleak and average.
It's been a while so I could have gotten shot wrong.

Does that mean he's an Asukafag? Doesn't she lose an eye and become a bigger bitch?

idk it makes sense to me. I think 4.4 is going to be a big Lynching.

"how disgusting" is the correct translation faggot.
You don't fucking translate it literally.

>it wouldn't have made the enormous blunder of benefiting characters that are coincidentally Anno's favorite characters, while brutally mangling their would-be "rivals" in the story, i.e Rei.
Maybe wait until the Rebuilds are done until you can reach these conclusions. Maybe his plan is to do a 180 degree turn and pull the rug under weeb's feet.

Meh, you don't know the franchise. Nor Anno.

Like everything about the Rebuilds make sense if you just accept Anno for who he is, an old-generation otaku whose favorite is Asuka. He's said so multiple times and everyone else says that about him too, his coworkers, wife, etc...

Fanboys complicate the matter by pretending there's a deep message in Anno's work after the Rebuilds. There isn't, and no one has ever been able to conjure up something that makes sense either.

Shinji needed to be slipped some booze and some LSD. Would have fixed everything.

>Classifying the reason why 14 year olds need to pilot the EVA
why?I forgot this part

Shinji just needed to bee himself.

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Those conclusions are 100% reachable now, as they represents in entirety the current status, and has done so for the past decades or so.

Even with a 180 degree turn, you don't really change the past. You can (not) redo, after all.

You can interpret art however you want tho so anything could be true

Is that a fucking reservoir tip?

This but unironically

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Even if Anno pulls a "HAHA I WAS JUST PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED" kind of move, it's still pretty fucking retarded to act retarded.

Why exactly would Anno SUDDENLY change his entire persona and trend in directing EVA? It's not like Rebuild 3.33 is going to be less shit anyway?

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Because EVA' are sentient beigns that have mother's souls.

The Rebuilds embrace escapism ironically.

No, it can't. That's called a delusion, AKA escapism, what NGE used to criticize.

No, it's fully and completely intentional. Escapist weebs pretend it's ironical to protect themselves from the stigma of liking escapist weeb waifushit.

See NGE criticizes escaping. The Rebuilds are Anno saying "look at this, this is what you waifufags made me do. Is that what you wanted?"

Elaborate.

Technically he was.

The entire show drags him to do something he doesn't want to do and that's piloting an EVA. All Shinji wanted was to be left alone listening his SDAT.

see Basically the most eva obsessive fanboys act just like the most retarded of moefags, but pretend the fanservice is "ironic" or "deep", and that's why it's "cultured" to jerk off to 14 year old tits.
Same with bakemono, and similar.

It's not that NGE doesn't have depth, but the Rebuilds are entirely devoid of it.

>Escapist weebs pretend it's ironical
Prove it's not ironical. I'm not a weeb btw, I'm just not that cynical (yet).

Of course it is you simian.

NGE criticizes escaping.

The Rebuilds don't, and rather provides a framework in which eternal escapism is possible. The "new EVA" has things like loops, resets, so no action actually has consequence. It just resets, and fans can imagine any EVA they want in these loops.

Not him but that pic is wrong. What makes life worthwhile is not that "sometimes people don't hurt you", it's that they do hurt you but pain is necessary to grow up and form stronger bonds.

I like the show a lot, but if you think it is deep and meaningful you're a fucking idiot.

And how can't this be critcism itself?

The onus of proof is on you. But sure, I'll play along. The proof is in the pudding. Escapist fanboys lap it up, and the fanservice is served directly to the viewer.

If they enjoy it all the same, then there is no difference. The characters whom the movies pander (Asuka, Kaworu) are entirely upgraded from the originals where the flaws they once had are gone or replaced with strengths.

That this coincides perfectly with the writers tastes, whom are also otaku, is well, no coincidence. They're catering to themselves here.
Furthermore, Anno explicitly said he wasn't going to criticize escapist any more anyway. There isn't any proof it's ironic or trying anything else.

...and just like ironic shitposting, ironic fanservice would STILL be fanservice.

>"I read an explanation so I'm gonna prerend I understood everything on my first watch and everyone else is dumb"

>Gendo and Yui weren't tang'd
>What is "Congratulations!"
Unless I interpreted the final scene wrong I'm pretty sure they were. Perhaps just absent from the rest of the scenes due to time restrictions or lack of relevance to character arcs

No. Don't. I was depressed and this show did NOT help. It gave me an existential crisis. I enjoyed it, but I'd be careful.

Freud did it better in Civilization and its discontents where he explained civilization exists at the cost of the individual. It is wiser to say that we are trapped than to say we are making the choice to suffer. That's literal coping.

Straight up man. This shit was so hyped as “wild mind bending extra deep last two episodes!!1” that by the time I watched it I was left feeling disappointed

Because there is no critical element in it whatsoever? It's served extremely straight and for seven years, hasn't done something either.

It's far too late to start criticizing it now, the fanboys have had their day already.

Depth is relative to the viewer and meaning is even more. Stop being so insecure.

How on earth would providing exactly what fanboys of the worst kind (asuka and kaworufags) be somehow criticism?

"Rebuilds were made for the sole purpose of spiting Rei fans" has got to be the most brainlet and even psychotic interpretation of anything in the franchise.
I really hope none of you are taking this deranged guy seriously.

You’re Not wrong, but the way you faggots go on about how this is “most subversive best anime” really sets it up for people to shit on

It's the seething waifufag interpretation

t. butthurt asukafag

Where'd you get that from? Anno made the rebuilds to benefit himself, and that's obvious. Otherwise you're going to have to explain how he makes EXACTLY what he'd want as an asuka and kaworu fanboy who has made it pretty clear he doesn't approve of Rei being popular. You have to be pretty autismal to not read between the lines in some of the scenes too.

I don't go on about that but I wouldn't find issue if anyone said that because it's just an opinion. I would probably recommend them other anime that I think are more "deep" or "subversive" instead of flaunting my insecurity like an asshole.

What a retarded plan. If that's what she wants all along, she could have gone berserk and absorbed the Angel's fruit and just flown away.

She didn't actually die she was just mortally wounded when instrumentality happend. We've been over this a million times,

Except that's the entire secret behind modern EVA. Anno isn't exactly being subtle either.

>introduces Asuka with solo angel kills, new weapons
>removes her personal problems
>makes her a nice girl who develops strongly
>gives Asuka actual super strength like a super hero
>gives her eternal youth

then for Rei, he

>writes her out of the story
>removes most of her combat ability and eva weapons
>makes shinji taking an interest in her and trying to save her the cause of the entire world being doomed
>replaces her with a retarded doll, like actually retarded and not just stupid

I don't know about you, but you'd have to be fairly psychotic to not see gleaming red flags here.

When I was younger I crushed on asuka. Older now and crush on rei, she is gorgeous. Still think misato is the cool friend though. What about you guys?

based

Same. Feels good moving on.

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No shit Sherlock

What does Fanta sea taste ljke?

t. Seething Reifag

Gendo is a beast pursuing his own heart wheras Fuyu doesn't have much of a purpose and is willing to follow Gendo since it leads to Yui in the end, even if he disgarees with that bearded retard frequently.

Actually the opposite. I liked Rei because she was submissive. Now I'd want to comfort Asuka due to her fucked up childhood and maybe bring some positivity in her life.

As for Misato, I have had sex with exactly same personality. She was good in bed but just a massive slob and always drunk. Good for casual sex tho'

No we haven't. I've never herd anyone argue Asuka wasn't dead. Misato was absolutely fucking dead and was still in instrumentality.

Ritsuko also had ghost Rei appear to her. Asuka was absolutely fucking dead when Shinji let out his scream.

THIS.

If people don't burst out of their chair at how ridiculously different these two are treated, they might just be retarded.

how is pointing out the stuff that happened in the rebuilds "seething"

are you ok?

No, only untill he dies from the lack of oxygen or dehydration, whichever comes first

Imagine creating the perfect character and placing her in a shitty "too deep 4 U" movie with a laughable little shit as a potential love interest

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I think the show sucks because none of the main characters are decent people that embody any good values of humanity and their interactions with one another shouldn't lead to this ending rather Shinji the bitchy should have just let them all stay orange juice while he jerks off on the moon. I don't get the hype, jeeze even AOT had better character exploration and themes

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>can't turn into a primordial goo and be with by cat because cats have no souls
>can't decide to not become a primordial goo and be with my cat because it got mogged
Damn

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You should've watched the 4kids' Edition.

youtube.com/watch?v=QyIpijrLlcM

elonna bringing the mental illness here

>dat paper thin waist and paper pale skin
I had the pleasure to see a girl who looked like that in real life
Too bad she moved to another state before I can say a word to her. But I saw her waist.

You going to be coherent, or are you going to continue proving the insanity of the rebuild-fan fanboy?

>decide to hijack a godmaking project to reunite with your waifu
How tight was yui's puss?

I think I'll stay away from the Rebuilds. This is worse than JK Rowling going mad with tweets.

where is this from??

>Imagine creating a show where you create scathing criticisms of certain things then all the fans of your show turn out to be driven by all the things your show criticized.
Waifufags need and should be killed

>this show sucks because the characters are real. They should have saved the world with the power of friendship.

Don't buy that bullshit. It's taken out of context and exaggerated. These people are completely paranoid and have some serious persecution complex. The rebuilds are not as good as the original but they aren't what they aren't Anno's crusade that they describe

>parody displays more potential than the original
pottery

Did Gendo fuck Rei?

Did we ever find out why the burger NERV branch disappeared? They said something about their S2 engine exploding due to poor management but I never bought it. It gave me some The Leftovers vibes and I thought it had something to do with the angels.

You sound like a rowling fanboy, and I've heard the rebuilds were shit before. Had no idea this was the reason.

Stupidest take ever

>show creates dis-likable character(s)that when the time comes to make the ultimate decision he decides it might be worth living because he jerked off over his onitis's unconscious body
The show is then circle jerked over for two decades because the 14yr olds in it were reely hawt ok?

Even better question, how many doctors blew their load into Asuka's tight cunny when she was comatose? I got real Kill Bill vibes there

Them screwing up the s2 engine was why, probably.

No but he did exploit her. Rei 2 was submissive toward Gendo. Rei 3 hated him with passion.

>Misato was absolutely fucking dead and was still in instrumentality.
If you look closely you will see that Rei's ghost appeared standing above Misato right before she was killed.

SEETHING REBUILDFAG

>n-..noo p.lease buy my favorite franchise

And I thought the same specifically because of obsessive autists like that that just overwhelm everyone with the tenacity of their spamming. Then I bit the bullet and actually watched them and they were nothing like that. Yes the rebuilds have issues but they have nothing to do with this bullshit

>get counter hijacked by your wife herself and her clone

By the way Gendo got the project handed to him on silver platter. The Seele guys don't mind him being the god. The Kaoru angel guy don't mind anything. There is nothing for him to fuck up.

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Jet Alone was sabotaged, right?

>Rei 2 is really dead
Why so cruel god

If even anything like what has been said about the rebuilds are true, like asuka getting super powers and rei being vanished away, then that's enough for me to give them the right.

What do you know that they don't?

Incorrect.
Whilst it looked like Asuka had brown eyes which gave this theory some credence before, the image was later shown without the lighting colour correction and Asuka had her blue eyes for the scene.
It's the red sky and lighting making her eyes look brown in it.
Also the eye and arm bandage are where she was injured prior to her death when her sync rate was high or the fake Lances damaged her atop of her Unit, whichever reason you buy into that she got actual injuries in her plug.

Why was there a Rei ghost in episode 1 before Angel attacked?

I know she was just there to look cool and there is actually no plot in it.

Don't listen to that guy. See there's no way you can just "unexplain" that whole fiasco without considering that Anno might be playing dirty. If he did or not means nothing because that whole scenario is utterly fucked. There's zero reason Asuka should get super powers or be healed while suddenly Rei gets written out for no reason, these are MAJOR characters next to Shinji.

What if she flies into a star

Rei 2 dies, but she's reicarnated into Rei 3. It's the same consciousness and soul being put into a new body, so it's practically like she gets a revive, except she obviously "forgets" whatever happened right before she died, and changes because of the trauma.

It's not really there to look cool, it's a demonstration of just how powerful Rei becomes at the end of the series.

Rei is Lilith's avatar.

Has anyone watched EoE with a girl? How did they react to the ejaculation scene?

Just curious.

Rei IS Lilith. Not just her avatar.

>generic anime thread
>300 posts
yeah business as usual on Yea Forums

That's what I'm thinking, I've seen people post that he's an Asuka fan and somehow thinks Japan has no imagination for liking Rei more. That's extremely bitter for a fucking cartoon character.

Yui is in Unit 01, not Shinji.

Asuka gets 'superpowers'(she's just strong) through unfavorable means. And she only displays them in the third movie. In which she barely has any screentime and in which she's even more than a cunt than OG Asuka until the very end.
Rei gets more development and screentime in 2 then something does happen. And yes, characters are mad at Shinji for doing somethinhg while saving Rei but unlike what the hot takes people would have you believe the narrative of the movie does not make you side with those characters. In fact they come off as retards for suggesting that and treating Shinji the way they do for it

How is that not fucked up ? The director gives his own waifu super powers while the character he hates he just writes out like that?
There's just no excuse you can make here.

Childhood is understanding Shinji, adulthood is understanding Gendo.

I really hope you're just pretending. If you're going to read selectively and just ignore shit then don't bother posting.

It is.

People will side with whom they want, right or not. You're also entirely wrong because the entire narrative puts the blame squarely on Shinji, from WILLE to Kaworu. Even Shinji by the end. Even if you are bright enough to see how it all makes no sense, it doesn't change much.

The movie is just written poorly, or trying to be bad intentionally, in both cases it still is as pro-Asuka and anti-Rei as it can be. Good on you for seeing that it's all bullshit, too bad most rebuild fans don't.
Either way it leaves you at defending a movie that has a nonsensical narrative.

Classified Information mentions Yui was the daughter of someone high up in SEELE and she had the connections to them also.

>Asuka gets superpowers
>The story is about how Shinji shouldn't have saved Rei
>The world is ruined because he saved Rei
>Everyone hates him for saving Rei
>Rei is turned retarded
>The finale is essentially Asuka lecturing Rei and leading Shinji because he can't take care of himself any more

I'm not sure how you could make it any more obvious that whoever wrote this went all out in shitting on Rei while making Asuka look awesome.

>Gendo
>Betaorbiter and can't handle loss

>Shinji
>All he wants is a life without others while the whole world demands him to be something he is not.

One thing is for sure, the Asuka fans will love it and the Rei fans will have it.
It's impossible to write it that way and not have that outcome, and Anno definitely knew that because he's not an actual idiot.

You said she has super-powers, and that's opening a WHOLE can of worms there. The Asuka from NGE should not have ANY kind of powers whatsoever because she's just human, and giving her superpowers destroys the entire realism of the character. If she barely has screentime that doesn't exactly matter when you've put her on display as powergirl, because powergirl is everything the audience will be left with.

I don't really get what you meant by the rest, is Rei there or not?

Given the context of the scenario and what she does following it, 'I feel sick' would fit most.

Yes, it was.

Rei is gone. That is she's not in the movie and instead you get this doll clone Rei, served with a lot of negative descriptions about Rei, like how she's a clone of yui, just a batch of clones, and there's no development at all either.

The story is, and I'm not kidding; Shinji saved Rei, this somehow inexplicably destroys the world 14 years later, and everyone now blames Shinji. Shinji trying to save Rei is said to be the direct cause for what happened. It makes no logical sense but the movie is just trying to associate Rei with shitty stuff non-stop, so it doesn't really care. It makes everyone seem retarded but it's just desperate anti-Rei writing and isn't very thought out.

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Yea Forums is filled with surprisingly smart fellas. kind of shame that the vast majority of threads are just for endless shitposting.

In my headcanon I feel that her going in the tube of LCL every now and then is the method of saving her memories up to that point, which is why Rei 3 knew some stuff though had lack and realised she had died.

Asuka and Rei are both barely in 3.0. Asuka in like three scenes where she essentially fills the role of "new Misato" and is essentially implied to be in a weird lesbian relationship with fucking Mari. Rei gets the Rei 3 do-over except even more severe. Both girls are absolutely fucking side-lined for Kaworu who gets a ridiculous amount of screentime.

>liking Rei is now a sin

Rei being #1 really cored Anno to the point of destroying him, didn't it?

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Except Rei was cloned from what was left of Yui's body in Unit 01's plug and clearly holds elements of Yui's persona, part of her soul.

You saying Shinji is Based?

Rei does have Yui's DNA, sure. But she's also got Angel DNA, and her soul is quite literally Llith's. What they did was make a human clone body mixed with angel DNA, and insert Lilith into it and call it Rei.

Yui's soul is inside EVA01.

Even though it's true that Kaworu has a ridiculous amount of time on screen, there's lots of half-truths in your post. Rei has in reality zero screentime since the clone isn't Rei, and they spend more time talking about Rei than anything really interesting. The interesting part is how differently they portray them. Whenever they mention or showcase Rei, it's always in association with something negative or pathetic, while Asuka is given domineering poses and all types of new powers and accolades, like fighting in space.

The "do-over" for Rei wasn't in 3.0 at all, they just removed Rei for some reason. What's more the whole narrative is literally based on the concept that saving Rei was a mistake. How are you going to take that as a viewer?

Be honest, it'll serve you in the long run.

>whenever Rei isn't on the screen everyone should be asking: "Where's Rei?!"

also what the fuck explain then

Anno is basically saying that trying to save Rei is a sin? Really, a sin? That's going too far.

baloney pony

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If you watched 3.0, a borish amount of 3.33 was just that, Shinji asking where Rei was and everyone and their mother trying to say/diss Rei somehow.

"Hey, where's Rei"
"Hey, let's talk about Rei"
"Rei doesn't exist any more"
"Hey Shinji this is a clone of ur mam"
"You're not Rei, go away"

and then the situation goes to hell arguably because Rei wasn't there when she should have been in the first place.

>be anno
>remove rei from play
>everyone in the movie asks or comments about rei's absence

what did that chinky gook mean by this