Do you think they'll address the LIGHT SPEED plothole in 9?

Never. It will be another JJ Mystery Box pile of shit that will leave people with even more questions. Then they will say "Just read the books, nerd!"
I've noticed the EU used to be additional stories for Star Wars fans to enjoy, now it's just a means to bleed the fans dry. Guaranteed there will be some access media asshole who will say Ep IX is much more enjoyable if you go spend $400.- at the theme park.

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let me guess you also have no problem with fucking slow as fuck bombers at the start of the movie. FUCK YOU RIAN FUCK OFF

why didnt they use x-wings to ram death star then? Fag.

Yes Goofy, but if you explicitly say it does work a certain way than we have to assume it continues to work that way
..as seen here
the irony is, this mistake is onle 1/100th of why the movie is a catastrophe

>Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?
I miss it when Hyperspace wasn't just used to escape every conflict.

I think that guy you responded to is the guy that responded to the Johnson Parody account

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Do you think they'll address the I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT ANY OF THE CHARACTERS OR THE FIRST ORDER BULLSHIT plothole in 9?

I honestly read that as 'Misery Box' at first.

The fact that the use of kinetic missiles isn't common despite being possible is really fucken glaring.

It's like a medieval setting where we see the characters have the bright idea of turning metal into bladed shapes to use for attacking the enemy, because no one had ever thought of that before now. Oh don't get me wrong they had metallurgy for millennia, just no one thought to use it for WEAPONS. You better have a damn good explanation or at least handwave why this is the case when surely loads of people would have doggedly persisted their hardest to make that shit work.

I really want to see how they work around Carrie Fisher's unplanned absence. They're going to have to at least mention her, and it's probably too soon to just have another CGI clone to stand in

you know.. im a liberal guy.
But this feels to me like the gap here exists between what guys with actual testosterone view as a good action adventure, and what a fucking pussy in high school who lived his life as a little bitch who was probably bullied writes an action adventure.
its a little bitches idea of whats edgy and cool.

and every fem idiot there is tries to defend it, because they somehow don't see how exponentially much better this movie could have been

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EightDeadlyWords

Eight Deadly Words:

"I don't care what happens to these people."

A phrase coined by Dorothy Jones Heydt in a science-fiction based Usenet group in 1991 to describe an Audience Reaction to a work of fiction where the characters are either so universally bland and unengaging or so unlikable and unsympathetic that the reader simply loses interest in their fate and, by extension, the work as a whole. This can happen with or without the presence of more objective shortcomings, but the most interesting examples tend to be those where this is a critic's main complaint, single-handedly dragging an otherwise well-made story down to where it's unengaging.

Note that "not caring about what happens to" a character is not the same as "not liking" them — some character archetypes, such as the Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist or Hate Sink, are driven by the notion that watching horrible things happen to people that deserve them can be entertaining. In other words, even if you hate the character, you still care about what happens to them (because you want to see them get their comeuppance) so you'll still follow the story. This trope comes into play when even that fails to arouse sufficient interest. In other words, apathy.

Many Horror/monster/Disaster Movies try to avoid this by Developing Doomed Characters, only to make the audience care less about the characters because they aren't getting the slaughter they came there to see, and wondering why they're spending Twenty Minutes with Jerks.

Also often stated with added emphasis as "I don't care what happens to these people".

They're going to use unused footage of her.

>You better have a damn good explanation or at least handwave why this is the case when surely loads of people would have doggedly persisted their hardest to make that shit work.
Because the lightspeed scene is entertaining. Ask anyone what their favorite scene from TLJ is, and they will answer with that.
That's what Star Wars is for, entertainment. Things like parsecs are a unit of time in SW, not in real life. It's not supposed to make perfect sense because it's fictional entertainment and the lightspeed scene is entertaining and new, therefore it is in the film, and it worked.

Feel free to watch documentaries if you want realism.

>Ask anyone what their favorite scene from TLJ is, and they will answer with that.

No one said that. WHAT NOW.

The matter of realism is unimportant, it's just a big plot hole. Stories and settings can be harder to enjoy with holes in them, tension and suspense are kill if it becomes plain that the writers could wave anything through when they hit a corner.

>There is no such thing as plotholes because I say that hyperspace ramming scene is everyone's favorite scene

The state of shills

>They just dice up clips of her from the OT to make entire scenes with her present
>Ends up a cartoonish amalgamation where she keeps changing outfits and even backgrounds between shots and her dialogue is chopped up like Homer Simpson's interview in Homer Badman

anyone have that comic page where they say something like
>How did the First Ordert regroup so quickly?
>Does it matter?
>no I guess we don't have to explain anything

>Ask anyone what their favorite scene from TLJ is, and they will answer with that.
Actually everyone just said "what? that movie sucked"

A good question, for another time.

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>it's not a plothole if it's FUN
>the actual scene is not fun at all
EL YIKESON

I think in one of the comics, some guy in an x-wing tries to lightspeed ram Vader's Executor super star destroyer, but the shields protected him.
I guess Snoke didn't have his shields up for some reason?

MAAAAAHH DEEEEEEK

Fuck you and George Lucas and Disney and Star Wars how can thai fighter make sound in space there no sound in space

Cool straw grasping, there's no plot holes regarding sound in space

I see the shills are confusing Realism Logic with Internal Story Logic again

Only the rebels have shields in nuwars

They killed the characters whose actors are still alive and kept alive the character whose actor is dead. They subverted our expectations.

>One guy's engine gets blown out and he flies into the bridge of the Executor
>Disney; Let's Justify Suicide bombers now

There's already a concept for big fast objects that aim to hit the enemy with destructive results, and they're called missiles

So you could certainly ask why large missiles aren't used for that task

tasty bait

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They will give a half-arsed explanation for why it was totally legit but can never ever ever ever happen again

Science fiction nigger, not magic

go to work Rian it's monday

So did it slightly alarm anyone that this movie marketed toward young girls was chock full of not-so-subtle socialist propaganda and features not one, but two separate female suicide bombers?

What did they mean by this?

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They have to enter a dimension called hyperspace in order to travel faster than light. This explains why they don't get instantly shredded by space particles or ram into planets by accident.

If this isn't a shitpost, you're mentally ill for thinking like this.

the whole movie is pants on head retarded, plotholes are some of the comparatively minor problems

>the EU used to be additional stories for Star Wars fans to enjoy, now it's just a means to bleed the fans dry.
this

The whole trilogy is one giant plot hole, hence nobody cares anymore

What exactly am I wrong about?

I don't have the time to unpack it for you.

:^)

But seriously. If this is how you really think and you can't see the wrong in your line of thought, you're too far gone.

Brb, dilating.

That's not addressing it.

Please link

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>Only good Star Wars content Disney does is just OT shit but different
Epic

youtube.com/watch?v=lD_nnP8nL6U

>It's not my job to educate u, shitlord
The classics never go out of fashion

yeah no sorry. there is no fucking reason the empire built two death stars when they could have just put droids into fucking tie's with light speed drives and have a fleet of them to destroy everything and anyone at any time. rian johnson ruined starwars

It's called Hyperspace for a reason you retard. Ships enter another dimension not just fly super fast.

Obviously they are going to completely ignore it happened.

Episode 7
>lol just bypass the shield by using hyperspace
Episode 8
>lol just wreck the entire fucking fleet by using hyperspace
Episode 9
>lol just annihilate the fucking galaxy with hyperspace senpai

PLEASE LINK I NEED THIS

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more like TLJ was so fucking bad that Carrie literally an hero'd rather than deal with the backlash of mary space poppins leia

Until all the executives on this franchise are hanging from trees, every product will be garbage.

Same goes for DC and CBS

It means that you should kill yourself for the sake of what you truly believe in. Inshallah.

Is he actually coming back?

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>Why does Yea Forums pretend that lightspeed-ramming is a plothole in TLJ when it's actually a plothole in every Star Wars film except TLJ? As soon as they introduced the Falcon's lightspeed travel, they subsequently introduced lightspeed-ramming because you don't magically become intangible when you go super fast.

Except you do.

Star Wars' hyperspace technology is an elegant solution to the narrative requirement for a FTL propulsion system that can't be weaponized.

Ships in Star Wars never actually go faster than the speed of light while in realspace. They use a hyperdrive to "jump" into, then move through, hyperspace; a parallel dimension in which they can travel faster than light. While in hyperspace, ships do not interact with objects in realspace, so relativistic collisions are avoided.

HOWEVER.
If a ship in hyperspace passes through the gravity well of a large object like a planet, star, or sufficiently powerful artificial emitter, it is pulled back into realspace, possibly colliding with the large object *at sub-light speeds*. This is what Han Solo was referring to when he warned Luke about the importance of calculating vectors before making "the jump".

This also justifies Han's boast about the Millennium Falcon making the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs (a unit of distance). The Kessel Run weaves through an area of the galaxy filled with black holes, around which ships must take wide, circuitous paths in order to safely navigate. Piloting closer to the black holes reduces the distance traveled, but is incredibly dangerous as it places a greater demand on the hyperdrive.

Additionally, it's worth noting that the defensive shields of ships in Star Wars are robust enough to render sub-lightspeed ramming an ineffective tactic.

In the video games they use these fuckers to generate some sort of gravity well and stop ships from jump into hyperspace. But seems nobody involved in nu-wars played them.

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>Things like parsecs are a unit of time in SW, not in real life.

>He doesn't even know about the Kessel Run and that a shorter distance (parsec) is indicative of a more powerful hyperdrive due to skirting closer to black holes.

This is becoming embarrassing.

*luke wakes up*
>ugh what a weird dream I just had

It's an ep. 4 plothole

This guy knows.

They did. Red Leader kamikazed after his x wing was damaged. Did you even watch the movie?

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when did this come out?

>I think in one of the comics, some guy in an x-wing tries to lightspeed ram Vader's Executor super star destroyer, but the shields protected him.

It wasnt an x wing. It was three star destroyers.

>plothole
>inconsistency in the narrative or character development of a book, film, television show, etc.
Learn the usage, please.

???

have sex

MAHDEEEEEEK

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Pre DisneyLF. In the 80"s I think

What was the plothole?

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

didn't they literally address this in the movie? the only reason hyperspace ramming worked was because the first order ship focused on the escape pods and paid absolutely no attention to the big freighter so it had all the time in the world to line up perfectly. By the time they noticed it, it was already too late. it wouldnt have worked otherwise.

The one in the middle, you virgin.

They'll most likely pretend it never even happened.

Hyperspace ramming was never used by anyone ever before in all the movies and only came up in a very convenient instance when the characters needed it and this somehow isn't a narrative inconsistency to you. Okay, sure buddy. Maybe you need to learn what a plot hole is.

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What's going on, big guy?

Holy crap I love Dumb & Dumber.

It went completely unaddressed. Nobody comments on it during or after the attack. The first order appear unaffected by the ram. It is effectively inconsequential.

Watch more movies.

>movie establishes that had Hux focused fire on the Raddus, it would've been destroyed.

>Hyperspace ramming was never used by anyone ever before in all the movies
Because it would never work due to point defense systems and turbolasers. Again, the film points out firepower counters this.

>X-Wings ram Death Star
The Rebels could barely muster up 30 fighters, you think standing still and taking fire from TIE Fighters and turbolasers while computing a hyperspace jump on the Death Star would be feasible? Not only that but the Rebels could not afford those kind of casualties and equipment loss. You're also assuming the X-Wing would dent the core of the heavily armored station. The Death star was built to take firepower from entire fleets.

>Maybe you need to learn what a plot hole is.
You have no idea what a plot hole is. Especially since the film sets this up.

Because it breaks internal logic of the series. If you assume that yes, you can trow projectiles at light speed, not just missiles and fazers become useless, the entire death star plans also does. You could just as easily build a giant ship using pieces of asteroids just to increase mass, and hyperspace ram then into planets so hard it would make then uninhabitable. You could as well do the same to destroy fleets, trowing then into the first ship and let the pieces break the others like happened with TLJ.

Hyperspace ramming is something most space series avoid to talk about, because it breaks the consistency of it, and trivializes space battles. If every faggot in a sand planet have two scrap ships that can go into lightspeed, then the entire galaxy would be different, because everyone have an atomic bomb right in their pockets.

I like the fact that the laser turrets that are supposed to be point defense never hit anything, are super slow, not shielded and cant even track small targets.

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I won't be going to see IX so I honestly don't give a fuck what they do.

Couldn't care less about how any of the new storylines resolve either. Rose, Finn, Rey, etc, who gives a fuck.

Didn't go see Solo, won't go see this shit either. If anything ill go see The Rock's Kinomanji 3 that weekend.

B-but we included palpatine! Don't you want to see the knights of ren? I might even ret-con parts of TLJ. C'mon user, I need you to see this movie

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NO!

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Stop being retarded, the energy of impact from something of the weight of an X-wing, let's say one ton, travelling at near speedlight would be of 1,054,792,065,000,000 (One quadrillion, 54 trillion, 792 billion, and 65 million kilotons). That's literally 50,228,193,571,428.57 (50 trillions, 228 billions, 193 millions, 571 thousand, 428) times stronger than the atomic bomb that dropped in Nagasaki. An X-wing at that speed would absolutely render a planet inhabitable.

In the moment you put lightspeed ramming in the table, you render any space battle completely useless, specially the ones in short space like Star Wars. The only one I saw wich had it and made good use of it was the Forever War, but they battled at light years distance, and didn't ram themselves because at that distance any milimeter strafe would mean huge distance erros on the great run. But their projectiles tough, they did more impact because of the speed than it's explosive components. Forever War however always took real physics in consideration, and that is not the case for Star Wars.

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>uncle Luke goes in the middle of the night to touch the "soul" of his nephew while he sleeps
>feels an urge to act with his emotions
>*holds his sword like a penis*

No wonder Hamill hates Star Wars now. They basically made his character into a child molester.

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An actually good subversion of expectations would be to have the zippy rebel ships attack the star destroyer, only to be shredded by overlapping point defense: The imperials/first order have adapted to small fighter tactics.

Guess his expectations were subverted.

>implying hyperspace travel = kinetic energy in normal space
That's the biggest problem with Rian's AWESOME SCENE. The sci-fi troupe is hyperspace is not normal space anyway. Star Wars was always an adventure story based on sci-fi troupes. Rian doesn't even know what those tropes mean. Then again he doesn't even know what Star Wars is.

It's either one thing or the other, either you can travel pretty fast and accumulate energy, or you go into hyperspace as in the "Isaac Asimov book's hyperspace" where you are traveling in another dimension, and for that reason you are intangible for real space objects. Star Trek is clear on which one it chooses, and because of it you will never see lightspeed ramming on it, but Star Wars was always swinging sides and withholding information. Anyone with half a brain knows that this subject is the weakness of Star Wars, and it should be avoided, because opening this box would break the franchise.

Rian indeed knows jackshit about sci-fi. He is probably a prime carpet licker, to withhold so much power into a billion dollar franchise even tough he have no idea of what he is doing. Either that, or he knew, and wanted to break Star Wars on purpose.

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