Midway

Battle of Jutland would be more interesting and hasn’t already had a million movies made about it, but it’s not WW2 nor does it involve America so of course it will remain in obscurity

yeah more propaganda telling us how the japs are evil and eat children

yeah i agree, certainly too much of that these days

>Long range nighttime naval battle with minimal visibility.
>Good cinema.
Yeah, nah.

Ready to see japs get btfo

imagine the booty blasting the RN would have got from the IJN. RN was just pathetic, 20 uboats a handful of heavy cruisers, and a couple battleships and they immediately: MUH COMMERCE, USA PLS HALP!!!!!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_Prince_of_Wales_and_Repulse

I'll never forgive the burgers for sinking the Yamato, they should have just let the nips run it aground like the planned.

>Patrick Wilson in the film
yeah it's gonna be great

The surrender of Singapore was pretty funny too, the Brits left them absolutely nothing so as soon as the Japanese just looked at them they surrendered

>irrelevant country #27 literally too poor to make movies about their own history
>inhabitants still REEEE uncontrollably that America makes movies revolving around America
Always good for a laugh.

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do you think this film wasn't funded by propagandists or something?

>too poor to make their own movies
and on and on it goes

I’m not Greek or Italian yet I would like some more stuff on their history.
Is being interested in other nations a foreign concept to Americans?

>From the director of The Patriot
Yeah, I'm out

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>gibs me dat
make it yourself, I spit on you whiny eurocuck weaklings

>greek/italians can't make it themselves
What's stopping them? Let's not forget that niggers REEE uncontrollably when shit like Death of Stalin or Enemy at the Gates gets made in the west. There's no satisfying you cucks.

>I’m not Greek or Italian yet I would like some more stuff on their history.
Then whine at the greeks or italians to make some kino. Why do you want Americans to wipe your ass for you?

This looks horrible. The Battle of Midway is a super interesting naval battle with genuinely interesting behind the scenes stuff on both sides. “Washington is wrong!” WTF? The code was broken and the intend of the IJN was shown when they repeated the AF code. The target could only be Midway. The USN scraped the bottom of the barrel to put up a defense. The reason it was an upset was that they were outnumbered and outclassed and still won. They were a joke at the time and knew it. It’s like writers only look at the wiki page of this shit.

Death of Stalin was good though?
They’re faggots too for not doing it.

What is there to propagandize? We fucking won

Every fucking time, dude

Even if the US had lost at Midway, they still easily win the war. At worst it sets them back a couple weeks. What a waste of time this movie will be.

How did this movie get financed? Its biggest star is Nick Jonas.

Destroying Japan was morally right though.

youtu.be/Bd8_vO5zrjo
Entry-level powerpoint-tier video of the battle from the Japanese perspective but I enjoyed it a lot.

>Death of Stalin was good though?
I know, butthurt Russians got pissy though. That's the point.

>from the director of Independence Day
ffs

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yikes

>please America, make movies about us instead!!!!

Pathetic.

Well Russians get bitchy about any adaption, that doesn’t mean that’s true for other nations. I don’t see Italians bitching about Rome, for example.

Death of Stalin was bound to have Ruskies chimp out about it tbf. Still a 9/10 movie though.

The Roman empire happened 2000 years ago

this is going to be as shitty and completely unrealistic as red tails, why can't we get a warship movie with dunkirk's blend of pseudo-realism and action? some of the battles between IJN & USN in the pacific would make fantastic films

>Lead is British

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It's gonna be shit but I'll watch it for Zero-kun.

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This. The IJN was in a position to set us back by at the very least a year or more if the US lost that battle, but our Navy still pulled out, what was in my opinion, an incredibly impressive clutch win.

Roland Emmerich should just fuck off already, dude's a national embarrassment. Midway was such an important event that it certainly deserves a much, much better film than anything this shiturdman could produce.

I’m kind of intrigued by this

>pacific front

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Still waiting for the real adaptation of the battle of midway

youtube.com/watch?v=u5Q0qyUSQzg

>tfw no navalkino about Guadalcanal
It hurts.

I mean, The Pacific is still good, despite it being overshadowed by BoB and even Generation Kill.

AKAGI NOOOO

>From the director of Independence Day and The Patriot
Those are both average at best.

>From the director of independence day
Nope

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Indeed, but instead of seeing PBY planes making desperate night torpedo raids, or tense moments on the bridge of Akagi debating the next move, we will be treated to family drama with Mandy Moore, flags flying, and “oh, snap!” moments from Lt. Dorky McGlassesguy. What a disgrace. This shit is how real and important history is forgotten. Stay tuned for the docu-dramas hoping to capitalize on this big budget abomination that uses real clips... from the movie!

sneed?

>make movie showing japan as bad guy
>1 billion box office in china confirmed

when did discord tranny chinkshills start posting on Yea Forums?

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Ignore this shit and watch the original when it airs on AMC or TCM.

What. The. Hell.

They already made this movie in the 1970s. It was called Midway, and it was fairly historically accurate, as was Tora Tora Tora. Both films used world class actors and special effects, and were syndicated on TV for years to come. There is no need for another Midway. There are so many stories from the Pacific that need to be told.

The Action off Samar in the Battle of Leyte Gulf is FINALLY being given the Hollywood treatment, but it's a biopic on Cmdr. Ernest Evans, rather than a general overview a'la "The Longest Day" or even "Dunkirk." That means we may not even see the battleship action in the South or Halsey's chase after the decoy force. There's also Typhoon Cobra.

So that leaves us with no movies about Sunda Straight, Coral Sea, Guadalcanal, Empress Augusta Bay, Komondorski Islands, and Philippine Sea. There are some Royal Navy and Australian actions worth looking at too.

Also, it's time we have a film about the Battle of Casablanca. The majority of US has no idea American and French warships did battle in the Mediterranean.

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>world class...special effects
And some great looking fuck ups that made it in
youtube.com/watch?v=6D3BUh2_aks

>it's a biopic on Cmdr. Ernest Evans
I expect this will play up the fact that he was of native ancestry

USS Fletcher picture set, same class of ship as the USS Johnston:
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I would enjoy one on Mers el Kebir, personally.

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How in the fuck could Mers El Kebir be structured into the movie, besides it being a shitty bong propaganda piece where they Do What Must Be Done?

I wish Leyte Gulf would get an accurate overview style film. It won’t, but it’s be great. That’s real big gun fight in naval history and the fight off Samar would be amazing. I was lucky enough as a kid to get a firsthand account of that fight as a great uncle was a pilot onboard Gambier Bay. Almost everyone he was friends with died and he had to make and emergency landing.

simple, make it anti-bong

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>did you know the first real Brexit was when they fired on neutral French ships at anchor because they feared French naval power?

Might be good. There's never enough eternal anglo film.

>Still no USS Indianapolis kino.
Il keep waiting I guess.....

Fuck America, japs should've won.

Guadalcanal was insane. The battles at night. Wtf Hollywood.

>battle of midway
shows pearl harbour getting bombed.
uhh.................
>when our freedom was under attack
the worlds freedom had been under attack for 3+ years already.
are they showing the doolittle raid as well as pearl harbour and midway?
good god this looks awful.

there's a nic cage movie about it

the japs get scared of the soviets joining the way so they surrender but not before the US can commit a couple final war crimes by nuking civilians for no reason just to look big for the soviets.

someone should make an alt-history movie so we can get a baddass battleships fight.

I'm a pretty big Pacific theater autist but fuck this looks awful.

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Is it worth it? Ive been running through all the great War movies. Finally watched Apocalypse now and the longest day. Watched Tora Tora a few weeks ago.

>well Washington IS WRONG!
Totally not a propaganda dig at le evil orangeman.

>shows pearl harbour getting bombed.
>uhh.................
They were only a few months apart, and do you really expect Roland Emmerich to not include it?
More like you are a pacific theather autist so it looks awful
It's OK I guess
Don't expect an accurate depiction of the ship though, they used the USS Alabama as a set for the movie and for consistency's sake the ship was changed.

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t. buttmad somalian
france buddied up with the krauts and when you play stupid games you win stupid prizes.

just like the real thing...

They gonna retcon midway into some heroic last stand where the US was somehow the underdog. The entire pacific theatre was won when pearl harbor didnt scare the US into submission. they were never in danger of losing, the japanese could never compete on an industrial level, even a complete loss at midway would have just postponed the japanese capitulation by a few months

youtube.com/watch?v=Bd8_vO5zrjo
This guy made a much better, much more thrilling Midway Kino just using fucking powerpoint.

You can practically smell the eggrolls from that trailer.

>produced by Dong Yu

lol

Shattered Sword: The Movie

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It's not good, Jaws is still the best USS Indianapolis movie so far. I could recommend a few though since last August I marathoned the Pacific Theatre.
The Wind Rises: 3/4
The Flowers of War: 2/4
Tora! Tora! Tora!: 4/4
They Were Expendable: 4/4
The Bridge On The River Kwai: 4/4
Destination Tokyo: 1/4
Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo: 2/4
South Pacific: 3/4
Thin Red Line: 4/4
Midway: 3/4
Windtalkers: 2/4
Fires On The Plain: 4/4
Flags of Our Fathers: 3/4
Letters From Iwo Jima: 4/4
Fat Man & Little Boy: 2/4
USS Indianapolis: 1/4
Grave of the Fireflies: 2/4
Barefoot Gen: 3/4
Emperor: 2/4
Hiroshima Mon Amor: 3/4

your rating for Letters From Iwo Jima is too low

Midway is a top 3 kino battle of WW2 and the best outside of the eastern front

okay, i'm a little intrigued.

>inb4 the movie focuses on one black, homosexual pilot who sunk 50 Japanese carriers

wartime propaganda won't last forever, only the anglos and g*rmans take it seriously anymore and when they disappear unbiased history can finally be discussed with civility all over the globe.

What about The Pacific miniseries and Hacksaw Ridge?

>STILL no Taffy 3 movie

Literally one of the biggest mismatches in naval history and the Americans pulled an impossible victory on the largest battleship ever created by sailing a tin can at it

How the FUCK has no one made a movie about it?

okay mbeke

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>watching Darkest Hour or whatever it's called in theaters last year
>$2 Tuesday so theater is all old people
>trailer for some propaganda about soldiers who are so cool because they're on horses plays
>everyone there whispers excitedly about it
Fucking boomers

>GRAB MY HAND!

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O yeah those poor japs ...

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Letters From Iwo Jima is more highly rated because it humanizes an enemy of America, plain and simple.
They are both fantastic movies which are artistically paired. Neither has glaring flaws which set one over the other.

pretty sure you mean jews.

>today we prove the American navy isn't a joke

As much as I love all white war movies, that was a really shitty trailer full of cringe lines

>"A victory here means we're Midway™ in this war, sir"

jfc

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this is kino. can't believe attacking in small uncoordinated waves was actually the winning strategy

that's litteraly a pick from a post war chinese movie though...

The Pacific front is in general pure kino. Even Japan's rush to surrender after the two nukes plays out like a thriller. This shit looks lame though

>trailer implying that America didnt already know that the attack was going to happen
cringe and bluepilled

>trailer implies the american navy wasn't already winning the war with their convoy raiding campaign by the time of midway
extremely cringe and extremely bluepilled

Should've just let them keep BTFOing the Chinese desu

>take all of your war objectives within a few months
>don't know what to do next
>decide to invade Alaska and some shitty island in the middle of the ocean
Was it autism?

>""""""""""""""""invade"""""""""" Alaska
>mutts start shooting themselves

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It's a not so subtle attack directed at DRUMPFT!, the goyim are retarded so most don't know anything about the codebreaking behind the scenes, perfect to shove some 2020 narrative about le evil PMURT! not trusting the sanctity of the "intelligence community".

>Belligetents: Japan (Not Present)
Kek

You're just a weeb

>winning a tactical victory when you aren't even there
Sasuga

Most of those casualties were from a ship hitting a naval mine

Aleutian Island Campaigns were actually a pretty big deal for America, we managed to capture an our first intact A6M there. Pretty neat background overall, nips pulled some tricky shit.

Yeah, total waste honestly. The pacific had some of the most interesting battles of the war, and if you wanted to go for a "futility of war" thing, look no further than Peleliu. Fuck MacArthur for basically rendering it irrelevant, what a waste.

Eh, Midway is okay, but where the FUCK is my Taffy 3 and Yamato's last voyage kino?

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I love PBY Catalinas. Unironically one of my favorite WW2 planes, nips stay mad.
t. hardcore plane autist

>tense moments on the bridge of Akagi debating the next move
youtube.com/watch?v=VBBHfRCgHAU
youtube.com/watch?v=JzFr-uNTXxc

Movie is Isoroku

youtube.com/watch?v=EtTljtBxtd0

Thanks, probably gonna buy it tonight.

>stage a decoy invasion
>americans already deciphered your naval codes and know everything you're going to do
sasuga

Boomers have strange war movie tastes. Maybe they're trying to escape from how shit the world has become in their lifetimes by continually going back to the "good old days"

/thread

>Leyte Gulf
mah nigga

Armchair admiral here... midways nit really that exciting. There was no suspense, a much better movie could be made from Savo Island or Battle off Samar. Midway is just kinda stale.

All about keeping the pressure up, never allow an enemy time to rest or coordinate

How can you possibly say an engagement with a huge amount of exposed carriers that couldve gone either way had no suspense

Nagumo kicking the shit out of the RN in the Indian ocean would be kino.

>Hobbit-tier CGI everywhere

this is truly the golden-era of hollywood

Santa Cruz and Savo would be kino, but the Japs won those so Hollywood won't bother.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA

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/thread

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>Japanese tactical victory
>not present
Ayyyylmao

>Pilots a fighter instead of a torpedo bomber
lol fag

>GRAB MY HAND!

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Becaise basically after the US Devastators were all shot down and the japanese fleet was spotted the whole battle was one sided. The tide would turn at the 40 min mark in a 2hr movie

they'll prolly only spend like 20 minutes on the actual battle. the rest will be boomerbait dialogue/speeches

That's literally every old generation ever.

OH NO NO NO NO

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>pilots a Wildcat instead of a Buffaloe
Supremely gay

Almost all WW2 movies are kino regardless of being blatant propaganda

Majority of those killed were from a destroyer hitting a mine
>Abner Read had been conducting an antisubmarine patrol off Kiska for two days without any sign of the enemy, steaming in a figure-eight pattern, when, while making 5 knots, she was shaken by an explosion aft at 0150 on 18 August.[2][3] The nearest Japanese minefield was thought to be 2,000 yards (1,829 meters) away,[2] and the exact cause of the blast was unknown, although her crew initially thought a torpedo has struck her;[3]
>the U.S. Navy later concluded that the destroyer had struck a mine. The concussion tore a huge hole in her stern and set off the ships smoke screen generator, which began to pour toxic smoke over the stern.[2]
>Men sleeping in aft compartments suffered from smoke inhalation. In the darkness, a few men fell through holes in the deck into fuel oil tanks below.
>After remaining attached to the ship by the starboard screw shaft for a few minutes,[2] the stern broke away and sank, taking the ships after 5"/38 caliber gun with it.[2] About 90 men either went down with the stern or ended up in the water, which was covered with fuel oil.[3]
>Once in the water, the men recovered from the effects of the smoke and could breathe. Abner Reads crew threw flotation devices to the men in the water and launched a boat to rescue them, but the fuel oil created slippery conditions that made rescuing them difficult,[3] and the cold water apparently killed many of the men in the water before they could be brought aboard Abner Read.[2] About 20 men were pulled from the water, as was the body of a dead crewman.[3] The destroyer lost 70 men killed, one missing, and 47 wounded.

>Pearl Harbor with worse special effects
Why Roland?

They see me Roooooland, they be haaaatin'......

at the beginning of the war the US was the underdog. just because we had manufacturing doesn't mean we were any good at war.

Are they going to depict Johnston's boiler explosion in the detail it deserves though?
>Belowdecks aft the Johnston was plunged into darkness. The third large shell demolished the source of the heat itself, striking a boiler in the after fireroom and extinguishing by concussion its oil-burning flames. With that hit the port-side screw stopped spinning, and the Johnston’s thirty-six-knot speed was cut in half.
>What the shell failed to do instantly, high-pressure superheated steam from shattered boiler pipes did with substantially less mercy. Not a man in the after fireroom survived the 840-degree bath that followed.

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What the fuck happened?

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Uhhh this is a pg-13 movie , war isn't supposed to violent, it's supposed to make you feel good. Planes and boats go shooty bang bang at each other and than you see an explosion in the distance. Maybe you see some tracer fire hit a few bodies and they fall down. If you are lucky a pilot will get sprayed with fire and he will spit up a few tablespoons of blood as he valiantly uses the last of his strength to save the day.

>BASED ON TRUE EVENTS
>low flying shooting on civilians
AYLMAO

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guys what sound does a dive bomber make

They sound like Jericho trumpets, duh.

>love the history of the Pacific
>want desperately for Pacific kino
>see new Midway movie
>it's fucking trash

it's not fucking fair bros

Augmented sets and miniatures vs full CGI shot
youtu.be/SgLukwaVOts

They made a Yamato movie already. Was ok.

>which began to pour toxic smoke over the stern.[2]
>Men sleeping in aft compartments suffered from smoke inhalation. In the darkness, a few men fell through holes in the deck into fuel oil tanks below.
Ouch
Double ouch

>Lead is Welsh
>Image of mutt Englander
>Fuck the U.K

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Reminder Nips already made a superior Midway kino
youtube.com/watch?v=JzFr-uNTXxc

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Budget, probably

>falling for a shoop this badly
Ayyyylmao

>DURRR FUCKIN AMERICANS WHY DONT THEY MAKE WAR MOVIES ABOUT MY COUNTRY!?
Are yuros the niggers of white people? Make your own movies about your faggot wars

>There was no suspense
Dude do you even history?
youtube.com/watch?v=Bd8_vO5zrjo

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Because Taffy 3 got BTFO.

Pretty Sure that it wasn't a Jericho Siren...

Was it? They haven't surrendered that much historical accuracy for something that even the Luftwaffe had abandoned by 1941...

Right?

I could do without the incessant “DUM DUM BOOM” that’s so overused it actually alters my mood for the day, but other than that, it looks like it could be boomer kino. 7/10 will pirate.

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Welcome to naval combat, where losing can mean either a quick death being burned alive, or a slower death as you drown, enjoy our stay.

youtube.com/watch?v=hU76vVM6lWY
Footage from the Battle of the Denmark Strait (Hood and Prince of Wales vs. Bismarck and Prinz Eugen) starts at 2:25, a flash from the Hood exploding can be see around 3:35

youtube.com/watch?v=YdrISbwy_zI

There's a stuka siren sound at around 0:35, and another subtle one in the background from like 0:55 to 1:04. Probably just added for the trailer to make it more dramatic though.

Realistically a non-stuka dive bomber isn't going to make much sound at all during a dive. Just the noise of it's engine at low throttle.

yea how dare america make movies about itself

>japan attacks pearl harbor
>day afterwards america declares war on germany
I never understood this

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are you guys ready for the fan made Sabaton youtube videos?

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what the fuck caused the explosion?

America was always going to join the war, they just needed to revamp their military before doing so. Prior to 1939, America's military ranked 18th overall in the world, behind Romania, after 1945 they were top 3.

Because Hitler declared war on America first you sperg.

>hitler declares war on america for something something reason
>stormfags still defend this faggot

the magazine exploded

The torpedo hit caused it to take on water and start to capsize, and presumably shells or powder in her magazines exploded from hitting the floor or a random spark.

>something something reason
America was supplying the UK with material and military aide, escorting British convoys, and then there's the Greer Incident. War was inevitable once Japan declared. It shouldn't be a mystery to anybody, and it certainly wasn't a shock to anyone back then

Seriously, you faggots need to go to New Orleans and see the WW2 museum there, its quite the experience and will teach you everything you need to know about America in the 30's/40's. Over the span of 5 years America went from literal who's to one the top world powers.

>pearl harbor is the greatest intelligence failure ever
Yeah lets keep pretending like the OSS didnt know exactly when the Japs would attack. The USA was aching for an excuse to curb stomp the Japs.

HMAS Sydney vs raider Kormoran movie never.

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there was never any evidence showing that the USA knew pearl harbor would happen before it did

Midway's story is best told from both sides.

The Japanese got victory disease after the success of their Centrifugal Offensive in the South, and they didn't take the Americans as seriously as they should have. Plus, they went to sea with four carriers instead of six.

Wait... underdogs?
The Americans knew exactly where the IJN combined fleet was and when they would hit. The Americans ambushed them and essentially ended the war then and there.

American war propaganda at it again.
>OUR FREEDOM

>we won't get the Mighty Eighth but we get fucking Midway
God dammit

>they went to sea with four carriers instead of six
Because they fucked up (more than the US) at coral sea
youtube.com/watch?v=NB5hH3ksvKE

>they were this desperate to make an American underdogs story and they still didn't make it about Taffy 3
Absolute faggotry

anybody here ever played the game warship gunner 2? absolute best naval game ever made

This looks pretty dumb, but I'm a hisfag, so I'm laughing at how overly dramatic it is.

It wasn't so much arrogance as it was not knowing what the fuck to do after accomplishing everything they set out for. They didn't want to sit around and let the Americans take the initiative, but they also didn't many offensive options left, especially after the army shot down ideas for invading Australia or India

imagine a whole miniseries just on this

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall

>implying that any intelligence community in 1942 was advanced enough to accurately predict that
Pic related, it's (((you)))

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Ofcourse not, not like the OSS/CIA would ever release such declassified files during the Cold War. Its simply logical, since their decoders always knew where the Japs were and what they were saying.
>Japanese fleet "disappears"
>"Hey guys, Washington here, lets send our 3 heavy carriers away for a little drill elsewhere and only leave replaceable battleships and destroyers in Pearl Harbor"
Use your head.

>they went to sea with four carriers instead of six.
They were supposed to go with 6, but two were damaged during a botched australian raid. Can't really sit around too long waiting for repairs when your entire battle plan depends on ending the war with america as soon as possible.

>None of the three U.S. Pacific Fleet aircraft carriers were in Pearl Harbor when the attack came. This has been alleged by some to be evidence of advance knowledge of the attack by those in charge of their disposition; the carriers were supposedly away so as to save them (the most valuable ships) from attack.

>In fact, the two carriers then operating with the Pacific Fleet, Enterprise and Lexington, were on missions to deliver fighters to Wake and Midway Islands, which were intended in part to protect the route used by planes (including B-17s) bound for the Philippines (the third, Saratoga, was in routine refit in Puget Sound, at the Bremerton shipyard). At the time of the attack, Enterprise was about 200 mi (170 nmi; 320 km) west of Pearl Harbor, heading back. In fact, Enterprise had been scheduled to be back on December 6, but was delayed by weather. A new arrival estimate put her arrival at Pearl around 07:00, almost an hour before the attack, but she was also unable to make that schedule.

>Furthermore, at the time, aircraft carriers were classified as fleet scouting elements, and hence relatively expendable.[124] They were not capital ships. The most important vessels in naval planning even as late as Pearl Harbor were battleships (per the Mahan doctrine followed by both the U.S. and Japanese navies at the time).[125] Carriers became the Navy's most important ships only following the attack.

Im not gonna debate historiography. They werent in Pearl Harbor.

Oh and I forgot:
>The most important vessels in naval planning even as late as Pearl Harbor were battleships (per the Mahan doctrine followed by both the U.S. and Japanese navies at the time).
Complete nonsense.

>Complete nonsense.

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Maybe it spawns a WW2 cinematic universe...

I've been hyped for this movie ever since it was announced that Woody Harrelson would be Nimitz. Battleship proved to the world that cgi was to the point of having decent naval battle WW2 movies.

The CGI in this trailer has shattered all hope I had for this movie. It looks like dog shit. I hope to god they fix it.

just go eat at olive garden faggot, lmao.

>I hope to god they fix it.
It's clearly done and there's no chance of that, user.
And the cgi is always retarded anyway because it in no way paints an accurate picture of what naval combat was really like. But still, even if it were accurate, it wouldn't be nearly as action packed because most aircraft missions ended in a bunch of misses/near hits, with rare big successes that ultimately determined the result of the battle.

mmm...
dead anglos

Why'd they have to put in new orleans though?
Wouldn't DC be the better choice?

>Windtalkers is a 2/4

nigger, that movie is unwatchable.

emmerich was always shit with cgi

lol at that sad jap pilot at the end
>muh Kaga

>thinking this was ever real
>trusting anything a chink would say about this period of history
>trusting anything a communist chink would say about anything

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I thought you euroniggers said we have no history. The absolute state of (You)

What's even more disturbing is that America transitioned (inb4 dilation joke) because;

1. It had an overwhelming manufacturing capacity.

2. Was a creditor nation.

Both traits of China today.

In fact, the British Empire/America dynamic is very similar to the America/China dynamic now.

Good job, Close minded Lib drone

"This will be a fight against overwhelming odds from which survival cannot be expected. We will do what damage we can."

I want this movie so bad.

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youtube.com/channel/UCX7katl3DVmch4D7LSvqbVQ/videos

Watch this guy's videos on Pearl Harbor, Coral Sea and Midway. He does some really neat shit with integrating 3D maps, video footage and images of all the strikes.

if there is one battle that deserves huge budget movie, it is the battle of midway. it was so tense and poetic that you wouldn't even need to make stuff up. it would be KINO if they did it tarantino style with 4 or 5 chapters starting with japanese pov like shown in this amazing video
youtube.com/watch?v=Bd8_vO5zrjo

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PBY
Torp anything
Never
Happened
EVAR

At the time = Most Kino

honestly now, tell the real story...they were double-crossed by their ace in the hole.

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Also, say what you will about America's participation in the European theater, but in the Pacific theater the Navy was really performing on a completely different level.

They actually fought at a numerical disadvantage in 1942 and won. That's impressive.

Short bus has arrived

>starving Japan of oil so they are forced to invade the oil rich part of SEA is morally right

America started that war. They knew the Japanese were never going to relinquish their Chinese holdings without a fight.

Wait, so was Midway and Pearl Harbor the same thing?
I've seen so many of these fucking movies that its garbled my memory or something

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Mop up the drool when this thread is done

You
Non
History
Living
Savants

Pearl Harbor attack scenes were kino

youtube.com/watch?v=-ZJ3T7PBO6Q

america winning was a win for the japs.

youtube.com/watch?v=3bKG0p6Tv9Q

IN PARSHALL WE TRUST
ALL OTHERS DON'T GET SOURCED

youtube.com/watch?v=BmHa-G8Rxo8
youtu.be/N6xLMUifbxQ?t=1579

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I never understood japan and germany's thinking:

>Let's invade not one but multiple surrounding countries around us and piss off the other world powers, what could possibly go wrong?

It was either a quick death in war or a slow death against the growing power of the United States and the Soviet Union.
Read pic related if you want to understand it from Germany's perspective.

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from the book
"The last four chapters have focused on disentangling the complex military-economic considerations that motivated Hitler and his regime between 1939 and 1941. Once we appreciate the scale of the international escalation that Hitler had set in motion in 1938, reaching its climax in the summer of 1940 with the dramatic rearmament decisions of the United States, it is possible to reconstruct an intelligible and consistent strategic logic behind Hitler’s actions. Though by the late 1930s Nazi Germany was by far the most highly mobilized society in Western Europe, it was a European economy of modest resources. By the summer of 1939 the limits of Germany’s peacetime capacity for mobilization were fully apparent. The combined economic potential of the European powers arrayed against Germany was daunting enough. Once the United States was added to the equation, the disparity was completely overwhelming. From 1938 onwards the alignment of the United States with the Western powers was taken for granted in Berlin. From 1939 onwards it was assumed that America would soon be making a decisive contribution to the armaments effort arrayed against Germany. If Hitler was to realize his dream of fundamentally overturning the global balance of power, he had to strike fast and hard and he had, at all costs, to retain the initiative. This was the consistent if perhaps ‘mad’ logic that impelled first his decision to risk a general war over Poland in September 1939, then his decision to press home the attack on France regardless of risk and shortly thereafter to prepare for an assault on the Soviet Union. In the light of the threat posed by the British and American armaments effort, in the light of the frailties of the blockaded European economy and in the light of the apparent invincibility of the German army, there was every reason to press onwards as quickly as possible."

i just read a review of that book and yeah some ww2 re-enactor was telling me the same thing: the reich's economy as well as the ancient roman empire was based entirely on spoils, in other words you would die if you did not keep expanding

"Insisting on this strategic logic, however, is not in any way meant to obscure the Manichaean racial ideology that provided the animating force of Hitler’s government. For Hitler, ‘conventional strategy’ was inseparably intertwined with racial ideology. Strategy for Hitler was the grand strategy of race struggle. If it is true that Hitler’s decision to drive against the Soviet Union as early as 1941 was motivated by a strategic calculation centred on the war in the West, this does not make the attack on the Soviet Union any less ‘ideological’. As we have seen, for Hitler and the Nazi leadership 1938 had marked a fundamental shift. As it was understood in Berlin, the war in the West had been forced on Germany by the world Jewish conspiracy pulling the strings in London and Washington.1 From the Sudeten crisis onwards, this perverse hidden linkage came to be personified by Roosevelt on the one hand and by Churchill, the arch-opponent of appeasement, on the other. And as we have seen, this conspiratorial interpretation was maintained consistently throughout 1940 and 1941. Documents captured in the Foreign Ministries in Warsaw and Paris only served to confirm the view that Hitler’s decision to start the war in 1939 had pre-empted a vicious British and American plot to encircle and strangle Germany. The identification of Roosevelt with the ‘world Jewish conspiracy’ was unrelenting. Seen in this light, the question of whether Hitler was motivated to attack the Soviet Union primarily by the need to knock Britain out of the war, thereby forestalling American intervention, or by his pursuit of his long-held ideological vision of racial struggle, is based on a false alternative. The conquest of Lebensraum in the East had of course always been Hitler’s central strategic objective. The threat posed by the Anglo-American alliance, masterminded by world Jewry, simply made this more urgent and more necessary than ever. "

Why were torpedo nets, which appeared on battleships in the 19th century, gone by ww2?

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>Taffy 3 got BTFO
But it's one of the greatest underdog fights, where they actually forced back a force far greater than what they had

why don't every fag in Yea Forums get their foot in the hollywood door by making a military movie first? majority of your funding will come from the military, think about it niggers.

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>he doesn't know the burgers broke Japanese codes before the war even began

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How is it any different than America's economy post WW2 though?

They were always looking to gain new markets, more debt, more consumers, more destinations for dollar exports.

It's an implicit Empire that until very recently was expanding relentlessly.

Torpedoes were heavy and fast enough to smash straight through them by WWI. By WWII, nets were hopelessly outdated.

Michael Bay films on location and add CGI elements later while Emmerich allows fully CGI shots.

Clown world

>No Naval Battle of Guadalcanal movie yet
Fucking why. Some of the most intense surface battles occurred at Guadalcanal and no movie has been made yet.

The November clashes would make for the most perfect kino
>The first battle on November 13 literally began with the 2 fleets accidentally running into each other in the darkness of night
>Complete chaos erupts in the confusion
>USS Atlanta gets fired on by both Japanese and friendly fire
>USS Juneau is lost with the death of the 5 Solomon brothers
>The destroyer USS Laffey literally gets within 20 feet of Battleship Hiei and has a broadside duel
>The USN utterly loses the battle but manages to fend them off for the night
>The USN is literally the underdog at this point and they're scrounging up whatever ships they can find for the next battle
>Decide to pull away the Battleship Escorts South Dakota and Washington away from their last Carrier in the Pacific(Enterprise) and risk them for the next battle
>South Dakota suffers electrical failure and becomes a sitting duck in front of the Japanese fleet
>The climax of the movie would be USS Washington utterly wrecking the Japanese fleet single-handedly for maximum MURICA FUCK YEAH feeling

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>RN
>Accepting fleet level combat in Asia in 45

T. Assmad Frenchman

Their focus was on protecting their homeland, they could not project to the Orient (2 oceans away in every direction) when they faced an existential threat at home (the far more than 20 U-boats literally feasted on the American navy btw). They had token forces meant to hold fast. Singapore was a disgrace obviously but the position was untenable in the long run. The entire mess was caused by the Americans anyways who convinced them to reduce their fleet and gun sizes after WW1 (ignored by the Japanese).

Personally I think the display by British command in WW2 was very poor overall with some brilliant local level activity, however despite an inability to keep up with US production the UK maintained a fantastic navy for what it had to do and pulled some crazy shit, like sinking the entire Frog navy in one go for example.

The best movie about Debts was made by Americans (300)

The best show about Romans was made by Americans (with Anglo actors)

What's hard to understand about an industrializing Japan needing resources and a revanchist, Fascist Germany wanting it's old territories back and despising a Communist state?

I want Pacific war movies but Not from Roland fucking emmerich

Good

>tfw the team behind Chernobyl will never make a high budget, respectful, and most importantly KINO series about the Battle of Stalingrad

i'm done with this planet

CGI looks so fake it almost seems like an artistic decision

WTF IS IT WITH HOLLYWOOD AND THEIR LOVE AFFAIR WITH AIRCRAFT STRAFING TOO LOW???????????

Singapore was a morale failure. The garrison outnumbered the attackers, military intelligence told the local commanders not to surrender no matter how bad things seemed because the garrison would win simply through attrition. Japanese logistics were rubbish and they were running out of ammo when they demanded the Commonwealth surrender in a bluff. Despite advice otherwise, the commanders caved and surrendered, I'm sure they came to regret the decision when their men were slaughtered like dogs in the pow camps.

Japs are noble and innocent...

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PEARL HARBOR
DUNKIRK
The PACIFIC
Now this? Why can’t they pick a decent title for these things?

What is wrong with a title letting you know exactly what the movie is about?

combinedfleet.com/shoksink.htm

Either it was touched off by one of the fires, or was set off by tumbling as the ship nosed forward, but at 1408 an aerial bomb on the hangar deck forward exploded. Immediately the volatile gases that had been accumulating below were ignited, and the Shokaku was rent by an ominous grumble deep down inside. This was followed by a truly devastating cacophony of "four terrific explosions" followed by several smaller ones as the forward bomb and torpedo magazines were touched off. In a prolonged convulsion of three minutes the Shokaku literally began to blow apart at the seams.

The men gathered aft were caught completely off-guard--they had assumed they had several minutes to evacuate; in reality they now had only seconds. They were sent tumbling and sliding down the flight deck as Shokaku's shattered bow plunged under the waves. Water surged over and across the flight deck and poured in a torrent through the open No.1 elevator into the hangar. The inrush yanked the stricken carrier downward, causing her fantail to rear terrifyingly and suddenly into the sky.

Screaming and frantically trying to grab anything to hold onto, the mass of humanity on Shokaku's flight deck aft slid down the incline to their deaths and a "fiery hell" as they fell headlong into the open and blazing No.3 elevator into the cavernous inferno that had been the hangar. Survivors already in the water were horrified and the sight of the white-clad mass streaming down to incineration in the elevator pit would remain with them for the rest of their lives. The blazing carrier's stern continued to rise, till it was nearly vertical, and in a scene reminiscent of the sinking of the Titanic, then corkscrewed downwards with a "groaning roar" and collapsed into the deep, disappearing amid churning seas, fire and smoke. Bobbing among the wreckage littered waters the scattered patches of survivors began "to sing Shokaku's song with blood tears". The time was scarcely twelve past two----only two minutes had elapsed since the induced explosion. (Position: 12°00' N, 137°46' E)

Are you guys retarded? This is a fake trailer. Midway came out like 50 years ago, kek

Why does the CGI look so shit?
It looks like the shit trailers for war thunder

This is what naval combat would be like when the ship gets hit.

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The Thin Red Line is Guadalcanal

>The Thin Red Line
watching paint dry: the movie