Why was it so kino, bros?

Water because the whole blood bend.

It is really slow in the first season, I nearly gave up too but once you get to episode 10 or so and find out it has a real story is what got me hooked. S1 Finale is where it really shines, and S2 and S3 is what makes it great.

>premise of the story is a 12 year old pacifist monk must account for ruining the world due to being a coward. Does this by mastering four magic powers so he can kill a king and end a 100 year war
The problem with this is it is a show for children. The story does not deliver on any of these things.
>make up for 100 years of war
Aang never deals with this properly, nor does he ever accept his failure in a mature way.
>learn the four magics of his world
He learns them but does not need them, by the end he uses his innate blessing (the avatar state) to do the job for him, rendering the majority of his "struggle" pointless.
>kill the king
He does not have to make up for his failure in this way. He is given a dues ex machina right before his fight, which again, renders his struggles pointless.

Beyond this the majority of the characters are poorly written. Almost none have arcs and the few that do back peddle immensely when it comes down to it. Most rely on raw characterization and nothing more. Simplicity and nothing else, a story for children with child-like characters.

Ultimately it is not a problem that a story is written for children but this stories premise is a poor choice for such a demographic. We see characters like Zuko struggling to show the pain and horror of being a forsaken son who has never felt right in the world only for it to be undercut with childish humor. We see Aang twisting the monks teaching into a form of abhorrent nihilism and grief at the loss of his closest friend only for it to be ruined by drug humor. Moments where Toph is forced to realize she left her parents to join a war. A war where men die and there is nothing she or anyone else can do about it, only for it to be again, undercut with a cheap joke about ambiguity.

If you want to make a children's story then do that. If you want to speak on war and a mans struggle, then do that. Don't do both.

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Oddly enough I thought it was boring as a kid, but liked it when I watched it at 25. It's just a nice adventure show.

In defense of the avatar state, in the early seasons it's a defense mechanism, in the later seasons he struggled to actually control it to consciously enhance his powers. In the aftermath of season 1 he had nightmares because he was experiencing a complete lack of control

A good show stays good after multiple watchings, when even under scrutiny its merits holds up

The monk he learns from in the last season tells him that he will never enter it again if he leaves. He leaves. The writers forced Aang to enter the state through a dues ex machina in the form of an oddly shaped rock. Completely removing all tension from the climax of the show and proving the writers where never interested in delivering on anything the premise showcased.
Azula not outright killing Aang is fine enough, but continuing to allow our main character to win through pure luck and inherited power is poor form for a kids show and just plain awful for anything beyond that.

I just want a comfy life in the middle ring of Ba Sing Se, desu

you said you watched it over and over and it's still good to you so obviously this holds up. if you listened to the greatest musical piece ever written 100 times it would eventually become just "good" to your ears.

Maybe he is mentally irregular.

They did do both, it's called Full Metal Alchemist

Okay I’ll try again . Do you know if there is somewhere I can watch the whole thing?

It went back to good when I accepted that at the end of the day it did well enough and I can accept its pitfalls because it's a kids cartoon. But it's no masterpiece, not by any stretch

Incorrect, the issues it brings up are never actually dealt with and the fantasy concepts it uses to put forth ideas on philosophy are wallpaper to distract from its overused tropes and bored romance.

name 3 better western cartoons. a masterpiece doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be better than everything else in its class. who is to judge what perfect is anyway?

I believe it was a compromise. They needed to balance the ethical conflict of killing the fire lord with the demands of a children's TV network which usually forbids explicitly showing murder and tend to expect some kind of definite moral lesson or redemption for the villain. It was a haphazard decision but it couldn't been so much worse. Personally it didn't ruin anything for me because the rest of the finale was so kino. The real letdown was them throwing in the cliffhanger of Zuko asking about his mother seemingly out of nowhere with no resolution.

Theres loads of complete torrents for it online

>compromise
That was my point.
>they needed to
Yes, for their demographic. For the children that where meant to watch the animation. They compromised the premise of the story and the characters in that world for the sake of children.
It is fine if the moments of maturity never reached you, in fact I think its better that way. It certainly helped children enjoy the story more.

Never said they did it well

I agree, you never said.

Because the stakes increase, storyline evolves, characters are vivid, and creative payoff never takes a step downward.

Possibly one of the few flawless cartoon series.

Kisscartoon, watchcartoonsonline I think

Jesus, and you probably genuinely feel that way huh?

That's a tough one because most other Western cartoons are primarily comedies.

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Is Demonoid still a thing? I’ve read piratebay is fucked now, or am I wrong?
Great, thanks a lot!

Yikes

Which routes did you take, Yea Forumsbros? Love, Love, Love, Slave for me.

Excited for the live action? I hope Toph is cute and funny and has nice feet.

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Bloodbend is broken imo

Katara is the only reason you feel that way. Otherwise it is rather weak.

Is E;R right about Kora?

Sure, why not. Maybe. Probably not though but possibly sort of perhaps a bit but really of course not. Yes.

Yep. Stay far away. The comics too. The only thing left after the series is the porn.

Airbending is just as broken as seen in LoK

>as seen in LoK

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I think I watched it when I was 21 because it was on Netflix and it was great. You just suck.

Maybe you where the one that sucked all along, and just never knew it.

Fire nation did nothing wrong. Only hippie communist retards disagree.

Fire nation yes. Ozai no.

Animation is so damn good.
Also Iroh makes the show great

Airbenders can literally suffocate you

I know other anons have already said this, but yeah, it'll be worth your while to try it again.
First 10 episodes, pretty good
Next 20 episodes, very good
Last 30 episodes, fucking kino

The Storm is the 1st legit great ep

s3 is the worst

>There are people in this thread RIGHT NOW that don't recognize ATLA as the kino that it is

I was 20 when it first aired and I watched every episode.
It was good.

>friend recommended to you while you were young
>didn't bother watching it
>am now a boomer that can't enjoy things
I regret not watching it.

The Winter Solstice, when Roku appears behind the door and BTFO those Fire Sages. That's when I first thought "yep, this is epic".

Fire.
You can literally destroy everything with it.
You can burn up oxygen, raze cities, control magma, create explosions out of nowhere, and shoot lightning like a god.

Airbending is surely very fun and very useful, but not so great for fighting. As you see with Aang, it only makes him adept at evasion.
Waterbending is extremely versatile. It can be defensive, offensive when turned to ice, and has special uses in bloodbending and healing. The problem is, of course, you need to have water present unless you're talented enough to draw the moisture out of the air, which few people are.
Earthbending, too is useful defensively and offensively, is found in or nearby virtually any place, and allows metalbending if you're skilled enough. It's pretty much only good for fighting though; it doesn't have the same alternative uses that water does.
Firebending is pure offense, no versatility. At least, like air, it can be used anywhere in unlimited quantities.
I would choose water.

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I still use pirate bay, but I think demonoids down again. 1337 is superior

Nice job having an opinion that is bad, wrong, and unpopular.

>Firebending
>no versatility
You could erect magma and or fire walls to defend yourself.
It can also be used for evasion as well by utilizing intense heat or fire for a smokescreen.

Probably earth if you dont count bloodbending. Blows the other elements out with defense while still having pretty good offense and can be used nearly everywhere

Wait... I fucked up.
You can't control magma with firebending.

>magma

Explicitly an earth-bending power

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Avatars are Earthbenders user

They're not very clear about magma tbqh. It's surely more associated with earth, but you can't deny that it has some fire properties once it reaches the surface and becomes lava. Once it hardens again though, it's earth of course.

Personally, I think it's a shared ability.
If an earthbender can heat it up, then a firebender could possibly manipulate it by controlling the heat.

Although of course it's not canon.

Didn't the avatar's friend control lava too when they were trying to stop that one volcano from erupting?

He sucks the heat out of the lava, cooling it so it crusts over.

Heat transfer is a fire and water-bender power. Katara is able to turn water into ice or steam on the fly too

Its unclear whether they can make steam or only mist

It's such a shame that they never fully explored the limits and versatility of all the elements.

Korra did. Had an airbender who spiritually let go of all attachments and was able to fly superman style. He could also vacuum-bend, sucking the air out of the area around someone to suffocate them

*blocks your path*

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I would just like to point out that the Netflix Live Action series is going to suck for the same reason Korra sucked.
Aaron Ehasz is not involved.
This is the man that directed the whole of The Last Airbender and wrote a lot of the good episodes. In fact he was the head writer, he wrote episodes such as the Siege of the North parts 1 and 2, Day of the Black Sun Part 2, Sozin's Comet part 1 and 2

Ed Edd n Eddy seasons 2-4

No it didn't and it was on some old women nonbender

old friends: wholesome, loving, true

new friends: everyone is awkward because they all tried to fuck each other because they're all degenerate homosexual reprobates.

*whips you*

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Based and Ehasz pilled.
In fact I'd go as far as to say Korra wasn't even canon without his involvement.

Based and Edpilled
I would never compare Ed Edd n Eddy to Avatar in any way as they're obviously different beasts, but Ed Edd n Eddy is cartoon megakino

I'm still salty over the fact that Amon wasn't just a badass non-bending chi blocker.

More like *blocks your Chi/Qi/Ki however the fuck you wanna spell it*

Yes. It's pure garbage.

Ehasz's main virtues were his ability to write characters people care about, and the fact he was in a position to butt heads with Bryke to refine their retarded ideas.
It's why Korra has about two likable characters, why they go full retard with their concepts, and why projects Ehasz has since worked on tend to at least get the characters right.

GOD I WANT TO FUCK TOPH

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Toph is a virgin

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If this show had the same characters and arcs and plot but was allowed to show battles and proper violence with the bending, as well as more explictely adult themes, it would probably have been the greatest show of all time. The fact that it's still top tier despite being a kids show is testiment to the quality of the world building, story and characterisation

What is Ehasz doing now? Has he been involved in anything since Avatar?

It's bad and dare I say pisses on alot of things that made avatar good. What the fuck were they thinking when they made any lower class firebender from the >Republic city
(stupid fucking name)
able to generate lightning? Or that fucking bald guy able to airbend like a master a week after accidentally getting it. Fuck me what a stupid show.

>tumblr fan art
Cringe

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agreed. if this show was more like game of thrones it would be perfect.

He's made The Dragon Prince.
I heard it's pretty good but I haven't watched it.

No, it'd be worse. A better example would be breaking bad. Having dude so random lmao pointless nudity gets old. I wish the show had the balls to have Aang kill Ozai, Zuko burn Zhao in the Agni Kai, show more deaths instead of pussyfooting around it like Jet which the show even acknowledges

It rewrites a lot of Avatar.
Like the fact the Avatar state isn't just knowledge passed down through the ages via reincarnation.
But the avatar is bonded with a good being.

It also shits all over the mythology from the first series, the idea of yin and yang.
They made the 'good' spirit female, and the 'evil' spirit male. (lol)

Toph came across as promiscuous woman in her adult years...
I wouldn't, especially since she's a terrible parent.

I liked them de-mystifying lightning. In ATLA it was a closely guarded secret of the royal family, because the Fire Lord was an authoritarian dictator who ruled through fear and raw might.

By the time of Korra technology is catching up with Bender magic and the old myths about it are being busted. Firebenders discovering that anyone with the right training can shoot lightning and it's not some secret royal magic is part of this egalitarian industrial revolution

>In ATLA it was a closely guarded secret of the royal family,
You literally made that up, as someone does in every thread

They never said it was the purview of the royal family though, just that it required no inner conflict which is something only nutjobs like Ozai and Azula or very wise and well travelled and read people like Iroh could manage. Even Zuko couldn't do it.

>the art comes from a site that triggers me, therefore it's bad

No it's bad independent on wherever it came from. (Not that user btw)

>Or that fucking bald guy able to airbend like a master a week after accidentally getting it.
I think he practiced a lot of martial arts before obtaining it, and he was also incredibly aggressive when it came to fighting.
If I recall correctly, Tenzin pretty much kicked his ass in a one on one fight, showing that he was just amateur who couldn't win without backup.

Did anyone but a member of the royal family or Aang lightning bend?

I actually didn't know if was from tumblr, it just screams Yea Forumsmblr as in gay trash.

Did anyone but an idiot write this post?

The sky bison do the same technique in order to fly.

The fights were great.

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Zuko wasnt on the level of the rest of his family and may never be good enough to use lightning. The only other firebender who MIGHT of been we saw was jeong jeong and may well have had reasons not using it if he could

I wouldn't have minded the lightning thing if they were paid ridiculously well, like being the brain surgeons of bending. It was seen as no different than shoveling coal in a furnace though

In LOK lightningbending has become commonplace. Mako makes extra money in one episode generating lightning at a powerplant.

That one sequence is just Avatars bending their native element. in succession. Air > Air, Earth > Earth, Water > Water, and supposedly Fire > Fire. I think lava just got changed to earth so that Fire didn't get too OP.

We only really see 2 firebending masters not from the royal family that I can recall, Zheo and Jon-jon, it's not known if either of them could shoot lightning. Not a big enough sample size to know how widespread it was, but when Iroh is explaining it he gives no indication that it's only a royal thing, just that it belongs to a select few elite firebenders

The limitations on violence meant that Sokka basically never did anything

Aang never used lightning bending.

He redirected it

wasn't sokka the guy who planned everything ahead of time and came up with most of the good ideas

The discussion is specifically about ATLA and not Korra.

Yeah but he never generated it, you retard, those are two completely different moves.

But he still bent the lightning

He's able to do lightning bending in one of the comics.

W R O N G

No he didn't.

he says while posting reddit fan art

Redirecting lightning might be an even rarer technique than lightning bending itself. Iron, Aang and Zuko were the only three to ever shown to do it.

Generation and redirection are both subsets of lighting bending, which is a subset of firebending

That doesn't matter, Aang never, himself, bent lightning by generating it. This is like trying to say that Aang earthbends when he uses airbending to throw rocks at people. Shut the fuck up.

So say he didnt generate instead of bending because lightning bending is an umbrella term and thus includes redirection

Why didn't Aang bang every women he came across?
Why the fuck did he resign himself to monogamy?

I'm serious.

So if a firebender shoots a fire blast at Zuko and he firebends it away from himself, is he not firebending?

The concept of "bending" in the discussion of Avatar means to conduct their element naively, you fucking idiot.

Comics had some crap like this though

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In Zaheer's case, he had studied the air bender philosophy for years because he was in jail and had nothing better to do and he spent several years meditating. When he was gifted with airbending, he was able to pick it up faster than anyone else would due to his unique background.

The air nomads were pan-sexual but had strict doctrine about sex with non-air nomads because the other nations lacked their refined detachment to material things and base impulses

No one is saying that Aang could never firebend, people were specifically talking about him being able to lightningbend. Does Aang know bloodbending now just because he can bend water? How about metalbending?

Who was best girl?

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Shouldn't airbenders also be able to create explosive force like firebending combustion's?

As a kid I watched random episodes from time to time. This year I marathoned it and I can say it's one of the best animated shows I've ever seen. The jokes were gold and not strictly for kids and Zuko's redemption arc was such kino.

I don't think Aang killing Ozai would've made for a better ending. The lion turtle energy bending was rushed, but I feel the idea, Aang sticking to his morals, was the right choice.

But he never does either of those things. He does use his firebending magic to control lightning

I've always felt that Azula could have been best if she only had found a decent boyfriend to act as a voice of reason in her life.

They can create a vacuum and suck the air out of someone's lungs.

The girl Zuko went on a date with.

>avatar
>underaged
get out zoomer

Who says you need to firebend to reverse lightning? All iroh showed was that lightning reversal is about ki control and proper movements that he specifically took from waterbenders. The show never specifically states that lightning reversal is exclusive to firebenders. It might be, but the show never actually says it is.

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What part of that theory makes more sense than Aang used lightningbenging to deflect the lightning?

Not really any better than the average shounen, and those are also shit

today I will remind them

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why was she so stacked? I thought Zuko was an ass man

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Well we know Iroh can do it but we never actually see him generate lightning on purpose outside of that one scene where he's tryin to teach Zuko. It's safe to assume Jeong Jeong can do it, he is a master, afterall. It also requires calmness, which is why Zuko couldn't do it, and likely Zhao couldn't either.

Please explain to me how Iroh came up with the idea of lightning reversal, and then explain to me where the show ever states that you have to be a firebender to reverse lightning. The entire point of this argument was that bending in avatar equals a native manipulation of a certain element, and Aang never generates his own lightning like how he can generate his own fire. Aang never lightningbends in the entire series.

Jeong Jeong probably couldn't do it because he hated himself for being a firebender.

Zuko only had eyes for his sister.

Iroh used it when they were in ba sing sei as well. Azula used it when she was crazy which is why i think zhao (because hes too stubborn and old to further his firebending) and maybe zuko cant use it

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Name a more kino scene

Aang and Ozai talking before their fight.

Wrong Iroh scene

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>he says not even posting the best fight from that episode

dailymotion.com/video/x3vro33

Aang/OZai was the best fight int he series.

objectively incorrect
its just niggas throwing shit at each other
there are no real emotional stakes between each of the characters

Zuko/Katara v Azula was far far better, the score is incredible

By the end of Korra air might have actually somehow been the weakest. But water had blood bending and earth had lava and them doing absolutely insane shit with metal bending, and fire is already strong, so it might be air by default.

Air is still the best element for non combat stuff by a million miles

>music
I guess it depends on what tickles your fancy here, the slower more emotional music for zuko during his confrontation with Azula or the hectic music for Aang as Ozai tries to hectically murder him before the comet leaves. I think both scenes are really supposed to be mirrors of each other in that regard, at least somewhat.

As far as the fights themselves are concerned, I think the Aang fight has more weight to it. Though Zuko follows this same general premise, seeing Aang grow from Season 1 to Season 4 and go from being nothing but an adept airbender to using all four elements during his battle shows a lot about his character development. Zuko is the same, but I feel like Aang had more that he had to develop (bending multiple elements, supposedly getting over katara, coming to terms with his abandoning 100 years prior, coming to terms with having to kill Ozai). Zuko's was more emotional in regards to his character, which I think somewhat evens them out, but I think Aang's fight, in regards to all aspects of it, edges out here.

It really depends on what pulled you in more, though. But both fights got ruined by the end result of said fights.

>both fights got ruined by the end result of said fights
Ozai not dying wasn't the greatest but Azula completing her descent into madness was fucking incredible and was probably the furthest they ever pushed things in terms of adult content

I meant Zuko getting cucked out of his fight in favor of Katara.

That shows how he has become different from his sister. He sacrifices himself for people he used to look down on while Azula has become more violent and oppressive than ever

>earthbending
>only fighting
Its heavily implied earthbenders use it for construction and mining and other things

For me it's Jin, the best Avatar girl.

Has any other show had this many 10/10 waifus?

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For me, it's fire nation Suki.

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Yeah, those fire nation outfits were smoking hot, if you catch my drift, fellow hotman.

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Fucking google it Jesus Christ man. How are you alive? Google “watch cartoons online”
worlds most powerful searching and learning tool and you REFUSE to use it.

Is the fourth chapter out yet? The version I have ends after the Ba Sing Se. Slave, Love, Slave. Would've enslaved Azula too but wanted the incest angle.

I was 16 when it started airing and it was pretty good.
I only started watching it because of younger siblings, it wasn't the sort of thing I'd be interested in in the first place.

hello yes what is this it interests me

>it has wives
>it also has the sadness
>and the fights are cool
Huh, I see. 10/10.

Water is objectively the strongest element, even though earth is pretty badass

>puts you in the desert
Nice objectively best element you got there user-kun.

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>he can't do 2 seconds of searching to find out for himself

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>not realizing having that image on hand is far worse than begging

>rips water out of the air that covers the entire planet
>blood bends
nah, water is easily the most OP, the water benders are just mostly pacifist cucks.

as it happens I used my superior internet knowledge in the interim to find it out myself THANK YOU

>does something that is never shown in AtlA and so not canon
>also pretends its the full moon
>also pretends their dumbass learned blood bending
Your objectivity has slipped quite far rather quickly.

Shyamalams adaptation was superior. Critics and audiences are just low iq brainlets

Autism

>mfw actual, paid Netflix shills are using this board as a hype breeding ground for their shitty, soulless, live action remake that we needed as much as we need the shyamalan film.

The duality of man.

Who was the most based person and why is it uncle Iroh?
>that prison cell he busted himself out of by pretending to be a weak-willed faggot while secretly becoming buff af

>Why was it so kino, bros?

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>Fire
>Can literally fly
>Lightening
>Explosions
>Incinerate anyone standing in front of you
>Heat your tea with your hands

>Air
>Lift other shit with airbending, might even be able to bend the oxygen in water, effectively able to waterbend AND earthbend
>Can suffocate flames almost instantly
>Can suffocate people
>Can easily redirect most attacks, except lightening
>Also fly

>Water
>Water

>Earth
>Spray pellets of rock at people like a shotgun
>Sink people into the ground

>can enter the spirit realm but never bothers to find Aang before Katara and Soka
>preaches finding your own path and being free of patriarchal burdens to his nephew then immediately tells him to kill his little sister
>is so much of a faggot he not only lied about killing the last dragon but shamed his family and nation by refusing to continue the war after his son died instead of just making another son
>based

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>he forgot about the most OP and based skill of all
Fucking bloodbending wins.
Second is earth because of metal ending and the ability to turtle pretty much anywhere you want.

>being this retarded
Literally none of the things you said make any sense at all. You're tryharding at being contrarian.

>actually doesn't know anything about the spirit world
>doesn't understand why telling Zuko to do what he wants to do for 6 months and when the kid finally starts being his own man forcing him to go kill his sister is completely contradictory
>the fact Iroh didn't kill the last dragon doesn't make sense to him
>the fact Iroh stopped being a warlord due to his sons death doesn't make sense to him
Are you just actually uninformed or something? I wasn't expected you to be fucking confused by my post.

Truly a masterpiece of fanwork

the old lady literally teaches katara how to do all of that in AtlA

Are you Katara?

>can't enter the spirit realm at all, he was clearly dead in LoK
>tells his nephew to wash his hands of his sister, not kill her, because shes insane
>dragons are the most ancient and sacred part of the fire nation, the ones who literally taught them all how to firebend
>not killing them makes him a pussy somehow

she could do it, katara could do it, ergo other water benders could do it if they learned how, and other water benders did learn how which is why it became illegal.

>retard thinks that everyone is able to do this
Kek.

>by the end he uses his innate blessing (the avatar state)
He can do this because he mastered all 4 elements and matured as a person over the course of his quest you goofball

Skill, user. Not everyone can do advanced techniques. By this logic everyone in ATLA could lightning bend, and metal bend to boot when Lightning bending was for elites and the only reason Toph was able to metal bend was because of her blindness. Thinking that "well if one person could do it than everyone could do it" is fucking retarded because the show specifically shows how this is not the case.

Firebenders can only fly during the comet, and that only happens every century.

>is shown entering the spirit realm
>claims he cannot enter the spirit realm
I see...
>wash his hands
He literally says that she "needs to go down". What the fuck else was Zuko supposed to take from that?
>dragons mean something to him
Which is an excuse for lying to his nation and family? It makes him a liar, him failing as a warlord is what makes him a pussy. If he was so worried about his sons life he shouldn't have had him in the war to fucking begin with.

I've seen all of the dragon prince, it has that avatar style character development and damn if it didn't suck me in.

Its even more childish then avatar though, the world building isn't as good imo and there is copious amounts of Tumblr diversity pandering if you care about that. Strong points are solid characters and villains with totally understandable motivations for everything they do. As well as that classic ADVENTURE feeling.

Water is only overpowered because Nickelodeon can't show fire melting flesh off the bone so it instead shows it magically pushing people around like its nothing more than air.
Pic highly related. It's a man that took a glancing blow from a flamethrower.

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>enters the avatar state several times before mastering the elements
Uhuh.
>matured as a person
You mean playing on the beach three days before having to fight the firelord is mature?
>being told to his face he would not be able to enter the avatar state at all if he left the monk
>leaves the monk
>can still enter the avatar state
It was as dues ex machina as it gets bud.

My wife is family friends with the creators. They're pretty chill people and definitely appreciate the show more after meeting them.

Aang didn't master all the elements during ATLA, he only mastered air.

all of those advanced techniques became mainstream, eventually anyone could metal bend, hence why the police force in LoK were all metal benders. Iroh teaches zuko how to lightning bend, it is something that any firebender can do if they practice it. You don't honestly think that something based off chinese martial arts would have the "you're either born with it or you aren't" restrictions, do you?

What makes you think that Iroh could just find Aang in the spirit world? At that point is only said that he visited the spirit world once. You made up that he could go there at will, plus there is no reason to believe he could just find Aang even if he could go to the spirit world at will.
Iroh never forced Zuko to kill Azula. He can still advise Zuko while also letting him be his own man. Your black-and-white thinking is retarded.
Protecting the dragons is a based move and so is not being a warlord. He was right for seeing through the propaganda bullshit and turning against the fire nation. Balance of the world would be totally fucked.
You're still a tryhard contrarian fag.

"needs to go down" aka she can't be in charge of the nation, no one said she had to die.

We're not talking about Korra and its retarded retcons. Bloodbending wasn't even "main stream" in Korra either, so I don't know where you're getting this stupid bullshit from. Not everyone is a pro, ust because a pro can do something doesn't eman every shitter will be able to do it. You're thinking that because Katara can rip water out of plants, means that everyone and their mother will be able to do this.
>Iroh can lightningbend so obviously Zuko can!
Is how dumb you sound when we know Zuko could not do it for multiple reasons.

you're just being retarded on purpose so im going to end this conversation. The old water witch was a literal who, a normie, anyone can master these techniques.

>I feel like if I watched it as a kid it would be in my top 10 or even 5
The show came out when I was 9 years old, I watched it religiously during that run (I think it ended when I was 13?), and I agree with you. At the end of the day it's a kid's show. The overall story is solid, and there are elements of it that could potentially be the foundation for a "serious" show, but at its core it's still just a fun cartoon aimed at middle-school kids.

American cartoons don't like using the K-word. They say "destroyed", "defeated", "brought down", what they really mean is "killed".

>he doesn't understand the concept of teaching

That old literally who water witch spent decades doing nothing but waterbending in order to hone her skills in imprisonment in order to do the shit she does and she doesn't even do it on a grand scale like you're memeing about. Not only that but she only learned about these things due to her prolonged imprisonment and adverse circumstances. Kill yourself you fucking retard. If you think any random person would be able to just rip water out of thin air like a magician then you really are a fucking idiot.

The avatar is literally in the spirit world. All the past avatars are. This is shown several times.
>go at will
Why the fuck would he only be able to go once? What rules are you working off of?
>black and white thinking
Zuko started that conversation very clearly invested in the idea of not fighting her, Iroh tells him she needs to go down. And on top of this it should be noted this is coming right after Iroh refuses to even help fight his brother Ozai. So the battle-hardened warlord is fine sending his nephew to kill, but won't do it himself.
>he was right to become a traitor
What a disgusting mentality. How can you justify your worth as a man if you cannot even stand by the nation that raised you?
Right so when Iroh said that he meant for Zuko to go talk it out with her. Because Iroh is under the impression Azula is reasonable.
>its a kids cartoon but its ok if it wants to pretend to be about war and real struggle

>If he was so worried about his sons life he shouldn't have had him in the war to fucking begin with.
Learning from experiences and changing because of them confuses the autist.

That means shit, Iroh failed to Teach Zuko how to lightning bend. Learn how to read. You people seem to not understand the concept of nature vs nurture, which the show constantly brought up.

magma is molten rock, it has nothing to do with fire (plasma)

sounds like by your very admission, any random person could do what she did.

>zuko isn't able to master lightning bending after a few attempts therefor not anyone can do it
you kids think that if you can't do something at first, then its impossible.

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>learning from experience
You know, its hard to take Iroh seriously when we see a flashback of him laughing over the idea of the great wall falling in a few days and then those few days later weeping over his own sons death, as if he had not killed a myriad of sons in his own life.
He is a hypocrite, liar, and a traitor. But worst of all he was weak. Even when he decided to help Zuko he never once gave thought to the idea the Avatar could die during any of it, despite wanting the Avatar to succeed. Despite having the white lotus at his side he didn't use them until Aang no longer needed them. So add lazy to the rest of my gripes.
Masturbate over his mourning or his wise words all you want but his actions do not reflect intelligence and his legacy is a sad one.

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>Aang never deals with this properly, nor does he ever accept his failure in a mature way.
He defeats Fire Lord Ozai, ending the war.
He learns them but does not need them, by the end he uses his innate blessing (the avatar state) to do the job for him, rendering the majority of his "struggle" pointless.
He needed them to achieve a controlled Avatar state.
>He does not have to make up for his failure in this way. He is given a dues ex machina right before his fight, which again, renders his struggles pointless.
What are you even talking about?

Just rewatched it, it's still kino

Maybe if you don't know how to read
>
>any random person could do what she did.
So then why does no one else in the show do this? Even the waterbending masters in the North Pole don't do this. By your logic they should be able to. Also every Earth bender in ATLA must know metal bending because of impure refinement techniques in ATLA but only Toph learned it because of her blindness. And every single fire bender must be able to lightning bend despite the show explicitly telling the viewer otherwise.

Nice job on being fucking retarded and not being able to understand a show made for children.

I see early s2 as when he definitely decided to help the avatar

why do people always overlook the fact that Aang was an airbender? he didn't figure out how to deal with ozai until he talked with the last Air nomad avatar, shes the one who told him that killing isn't the only answer.

Zuko was specifically told he could not lightningbend at all, Iroh even states that lightning bending is an advanced technique that only a few people can actually pull off. Watch the show next time and actually pay attention when watching it.

because they didn't know it was even possible? how long did humans use bows until some madman invented the crossbow? neck yourself kiddo

>its a kids cartoon but its ok if it wants to pretend to be about war and real struggle
I don't understand the point you're trying to make here. Can you explain? What does autistic American censorship of the word "kill" in children's media have to do with the overall execution and planning of the story?

Except that Zuko couldn't lightning bend because of his internal conflict, no amount of training was going to solve this issue. Iroh teaching him the moves makes it seem like it's easy enough to generate and doesn't require years of practice, but it's extremely difficult to pull off at the moment and only the best of the best can actually do it without killing themselves.

>Iroh even states that lightning bending is an advanced technique that only a few people can actually pull off.
meaning only a few people have had the discipline to master it, you brainlet.

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This, but ironically.

people talk about killing ozai all the time in that series, that guy is an idiot.

That is not what I meant by dealing with it. The war is Aang's fault. All that death and suffering is on him. We spend one episode where he starts to process just how much he failed his world but we never see it come to fruition. He is given a cheap way out and never has to make the hard choices of war.
>a controlled avatar state
Which he should not have been able to enter according to the monk he was learning from.
>what are you talking about
Energy bending.
>Ultimately it is not a problem that a story is written for children but this stories premise is a poor choice for such a demographic. We see characters like Zuko struggling to show the pain and horror of being a forsaken son who has never felt right in the world only for it to be undercut with childish humor. We see Aang twisting the monks teaching into a form of abhorrent nihilism and grief at the loss of his closest friend only for it to be ruined by drug humor. Moments where Toph is forced to realize she left her parents to join a war. A war where men die and there is nothing she or anyone else can do about it, only for it to be again, undercut with a cheap joke about ambiguity.
It is about the show teasing mature themes but being forced to give them up.
I was not being ironic.
There is a lot more than that. You just don't take the story seriously enough.

>because they didn't know it was even possible?
So then how did the fucking "literally who" that you named learn how to do it? They must know water is in the air since they can fucking feel it and if this one random lady who you think is a weak shit and is some kind of standard for every single person in universe can do it then everyone else must also know about it. You just destroyed your own argument. This is like trying to say that every single person in real life can run 1 mile in 5 minutes because there are a few examples of other people doing it. The concept of innate skill doesn't seem to make sense to you, despite the fact that nature vs nurture was the central focus point int he Azula and Zuko dichotomy. Did you even actually watch the show?

>The avatar is literally in the spirit world. All the past avatars are. This is shown several times.
The 'spirit world' is as vast as the real world. When Hei Bai takes Sokka to the spirit world Aang loses them and can't find them. Being in the spirit world doesn't mean you suddenly can find anyone. Aang wasn't even in the spirit world at the time he was gone. So that wouldn't even help anything. This point you make really speaks to your retardation.
>what rules are you working off of
The non-made up rules. Iroh only went once at that time, and never was it alluded to that he could go at will.
>Zuko started that conversation very clearly invested in the idea of not fighting her, Iroh tells him she needs to go down.
'Down' doesn't mean 'kill', and Iroh is just advising Zuko. 'Being your own man' doesn't mean being a complete retard who can't take advice.
>And on top of this it should be noted this is coming right after Iroh refuses to even help fight his brother Ozai. So the battle-hardened warlord is fine sending his nephew to kill, but won't do it himself.
It wasn't Iroh's destiny. As he said it would just be construed as a brother killing another brother for power. It would not help restore balance to the world. Did you even watch the show?
>What a disgusting mentality. How can you justify your worth as a man if you cannot even stand by the nation that raised you?
What kind of retard just does whatever their government tells them to do even though it is clearly morally wrong? Bootlicking Americans are so weird.

You sound like you need an uncle Iroh in your life. Which suddenly explains your infantile hate towards him.

>So then how did the fucking "literally who" that you named learn how to do it?
watch the show? it explains it very clearly.

Are you retarded? Zuko was specifically told that he cannot lightning bend at all holy fucking shit
>only masters can use lightning bending
>therefore, in your own words, only a few people can actually use it since they need the discipline in order to master the technique
Skill wasn't the only factor either, you fucking retard, spirituality and inner peace also played a strong role in being able to do the move.

what are you even arguing kid? a master is someone who has dedicated their entire life to a certain craft, they weren't born masters, they became masters through discipline and training, anyone can become a master, few ever will.

The show never explains how she learns how to specifically rip water out of thin air, she just does it. The show explains how she learned about water in living things (plants) and how she learned how to bloodbend, it never explicitly talks about how she learned how to rip water out of the air. Maybe you're the one that needs to watch the show. Now answer the question. If waterbenders can feel water, yet only one shitty literally who waterbender is shown to be able to rip water out of thin air, why is this technique not more common? Even back water swamp people can bend water in vines because they can sense it and feel it.

>Aang wasn't in it
The others would be, and finding them would be something Iroh would want to do, no?
>never alluded he could
Never alluded he could not.
>down doesn't mean kill
Sincerely, what do you think Iroh envisioned Zuko doing then? If not killing her?
>it wasn't Iroh destiny
So he says. Choosing not to help in war was something he was very good at.
>brother killing another brother for power.
Zuko "taking down" Azula for the thrown wouldn't be the exact same thing? You don't see the contradiction in Irohs thinking here?
>what kind of nations royalty is loyal to their nation due to birth right
>brings up america
Take a moment to consider who the fuck Iroh was before he decided to become a traitor.
>infantile hate
Is there any other kind? I do not hate the fictional character, I have criticisms of it. The difference is meaningless here though.

>a master is someone who has dedicated their entire life to a certain craft, they weren't born masters
What is Azula vs Zuko? You didn't even pay attention to the show, god damn.

>What is Azula vs Zuko?
someone who spent her entire life training instead of being exiled and crying like a little bitch? her genetics are moot because zuko wasn't on par with her at all. and what about katara? despite being a pacifist she was clearly depicted as spending every waking moment she had training while sokka and aang fucked around, no noble blood in her veins either.

how about Goku? literally outclasses saiyan royalty with hard work. rock lee? can't even use ninjitsu but becomes one of the greatest melee fighters via discipline and training. Apply yourself, you faggot.

So in s1 his plan was to let Zuko/Ozai kill the avatar?

The show constancy throws it in your face that Azula was a prodigy since birth, and even as children Azula was a far better fire bender than Zuko was despite Zuko being older and having as much training in the bending arts, if not more (since he's older) than Azula. Kill yourself, retard. There was even an entire episode dedicated to this shit and you still don't understand it.

>The show never explains how she learns how to specifically rip water out of thin air, she just does it.
its literally one episode and yes it does explain it, she realized that water was in everything and then taught herself how to manipulate it. you know the first bayonets used in warfare were plugged right? you had to cover the tip of your musket in order to attach the bayonet, well it wasn't long before some guy decided to make it a ring that slid over the top, but im sure that some retards thought plugged bayonets were as good as it gets.

Also
>how about Goku?
We aren't talking about Dragon Ball Z or Anime, we're specifically talking about Avatar. Why the fuck are you bringing up random shows now? That just makes you looks like an even bigger fucking moron.

being a prodigy simply means you have natural talent, that doesn't mean that no one else can surpass you, you absolute fucking mongrel.

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Nobody wanted to kill the avatar and i think he would stop that if he could

>it's one of the best animated shows I've ever seen
I feel bad for you

She specifically talks about plants and grass, then Katara mentions how she met people who could bend vines because they sensed the water int hem. Hama never, ever, explicitly talks about her experience in being able to rip water out of what seems to be absolutely nothing. So, since you're basically agreeing with me at this fucking point because I never argued against waterbenders being able to do this technique, explain to me how other masters int he show never do it despite you being so keen on assuming that it's easy and how everyone would be able to do it. I'm still waiting for this explanation.

>nobody wanted to kill the avatar
>literally shows a character actively killing the avatar

he was clearly just humoring his nephew, dude had obviously been part of the white lotus for a long time and would never actually kill the fucking avatar.

Who was talking about being surpassed? Not to mention that The only reason Zuko was able to fight her in the finale was because she was unhinged and even he realized this. It's the only reason he decided to fight her 1 on 1. Nice job moving the goalpost you dumb fucker. You are actually too stupid to grasp themes in a child's show.

how is air and vegetation nothing? are you being retarded on purpose?

Can you not fucking read? I was specifically talking about air you fucking moron. You can't see air.

That was in s2, and she did it because he was in the avatar state

>humoring his nephew
As I have said, at any time during the MONTHS he was humoring the brat the Avatar could have died, and then what? What is Iroh's excuse? His nephew needed to find himself? So the world can burn to cinders so long as Zuko realizes what it means to be a man? When Iroh had many strong allies who could have ended the war long before it got to the point of Sozin's comet returning.

based and fpbp

>explain to me how other masters int he show never do it
because they didn't know it was possible? they were born into retarded old cultures that refuse to adapt? much like our own cultures? why can't some people on earth build proper roads? humans have been building roads for millennia. the old witch discovered how to do these things then never told anyone until she met katara? WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR ENDGAME HERE?

yea, we're done here.

>who is Sozin
>who is Ozai
>who is Zhao

"Seemingly nothing" - air, you can't see air. Nie goalpost moving you fucking idiot. I never said it was actually nothing you illiterate ESL dumb fuck.

>The others would be, and finding them would be something Iroh would want to do, no?
You ignored the part where finding someone in the spirit world is not easier than finding someone in the real world. You're also ignoring the part where Iroh really hadn't made his mind up at all about what he should do or knew of the fate of the Avatar. It's called character development.
>Never alluded he could not.
Retard. It is made clear that he only went once. That implies that he can't just go there whenever he wishes. Unless you see him go multiple times it is absolutely retarded to assume he could just go at will and that he could locate any past Avatars who would even be inclined to help him and assume that they could even find Aang. You're assuming a bunch of shit that was never reasonable to assume to make a half-assed point. Leave it alone, you're just embarrassing yourself.
>Sincerely, what do you think Iroh envisioned Zuko doing then? If not killing her?
Defeat her and then imprison her?
>So he says. Choosing not to help in war was something he was very good at.
Again you ignore the very big point relevant to this that he makes that it would just be seen as a power grab. It is a reasonable assessment. You act like he was running away from confrontation even though he fucked up entire swaths of people when he was backed in a corner. He just lost his appetite for fighting and didn't want to unless absolutely necessary.
>Zuko "taking down" Azula for the thrown wouldn't be the exact same thing? You don't see the contradiction in Irohs thinking here?
Azula wasn't the leader of the fire nation so I don't see the relevance at all.
>what kind of nations royalty is loyal to their nation due to birth right
So if you're in an evil nation that will throw the world into chaos, who will even kill the fucking moon spirit for some power, the 'good' thing to do according to you would be to do whatever they tell you to do because you're royalty? You're a massive faggot

None of them wanted to kill the Avatar because it would just create a new avatar and they'd have to find him again.

>because they didn't know it was possible?
Despite being able to feel the element? They can do things feel the water in plants and move them to their will yet you're trying to tell me that they can't also feel the water in air? Even in Season 2, before Katara ever learned these advanced techniques, she knew that rain came from clouds and that she could technically bend water out of them if she was close enough, and you think that absolutely no one else knew about being able to rip water out of air? You're just destroying your argument now. And this doesn't even show that this just makes Hama even more skilled than you initially claimed by calling her a literally who. She must be skilled if she can sense water in air and rip it out from nothing. Even after showing Katara how to do this, Katara never actually does it. Even the waterbending masters int he North Pole never do any of this stuff despite having years more experience than Katara in bending water. So just trying to say "They didn't know" is a really bad argument.
>they were obviously dumb so they could do it
Yeah, which is why they can make giant water tornadoes and even have an entire school dedicated to spirituality and using water to heal wounds at advanced levels. They're just dumb.

Retard.

the entire series was about the fire nation trying to kill the avatar during infancy so they could take over the world, thats why the genocided the air nomads and were in the process of culling the water tribes. their only real mistake was not waiting until the next fire avatar was born and then just wiping everyone out.

>The Legend of Korra was bad
>They ruined the lore
>It was forced SJW garbage

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>So just trying to say "They didn't know" is a really bad argument.
how much shit are you currently capable of doing on a technical level but you don't actually know how to do it? for example, you are capable of tuning an engine to a car yea? except you wouldn't know how to do it unless you actively tried to learn.

It stole the elements that made battle anime good while still being a western cartoon that was made before SJWism took off and before the calartapocalypse happened

damn....btfo

"they just didn't know" is a terrible argument when there are multiiple examples and hints of them clearly knowing about stuff like this. Also nice job ignoring everything but one sentence.

You forgot the part where Zhao literally says that they aren't going to kill him and they will keep him BARELY alive. Multiple times they catch the Avatar and don't kill him for the reason I mentioned. They wanted to rule for the long run. Stop being retarded.

Sozin -literally- kills the avatar. We watch him do it.
It would be easier because of the past lives.
>hadn't made up his mind
So he was just with Zuko for the banter then?
>that implies
It goes both ways, was my point. Neither of us can prove or disprove so asserting one way or the other is pointless.
>defeat her
He was going to use fire to defeat her, without killing her? During Sozens comet? In a nation where he is a traitor and she is basically the queen? Thats expecting a lot out of a nephew when you aren't even willing to help.
>Azula wasn't the leader of the fire nation
She was right in the middle of being crowned and Zuko challenges her to a duel to decide who would become ruler. What part of that is him not stealing the throne?
>the good thing
Not good, hard. Being loyal is not easy, running away from your problems to drink tea is.

I thought it was shitty as a teenager and only recognized it as kino as an adult.

>Neither of us can prove or disprove so asserting one way or the other is pointless.
You are the faggot that claimed that Iroh could just go to the spirit world you fuck. Did you already forget the entire point you made?

I cba to continue speaking to someone with your limited mental faculties.

kino

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I'm 38 years old, you're objectively wrong and I urge you never to post here ever again.

He can because he did. You don't have to inform me you want to stop talking. That isn't how this image board works. I'm not going to start spamming you private messages or anything. No strings attached.

Give me some shows like that as recs please

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Air, but it was offset by the Airbenders being pacifists.
They could have stopped the fire nation if they were willing to kill: just bend away all the air in the area in a gigantic bubble or sink their ships with giant tornadoes / hurricanes / etc

this is the peak of the series, fully developed zuko vs fire lord azula, notice how this is the only time in the whole series that azula firebends with her fists and not with her nails, also that part when she almost eats a huge flame is the only time she ever shows fear too, her strenght is far superior to zuko but she fights like a complete retard and loses, absolute kino

>forced musical accompaniment to make sure even the idiots know how they are supposed to feel about the fight, preventing any subtlety or gravitas
>introduce the idea that the biggest and most consistent threat throughout the series is weak for the fight so a weaker character can have his 10 seconds of glory, ruining any actual tension the fight should have had
>proceed to take what was once somewhat grounded magic and twist it so two characters are hurling building sized fireballs at one another while one flies around like fucking superman
>have a character drunkenly stumble into said 1v1 fully aware she is out of her league and knowing she is not supposed to be in the arena at all
>use this as an excuse for a fake out where the character who should have won the day does not
>don't even explain how a mad dog like Azula remains captured after being chained to a grate considering she was literally spitting fire at her enemies moments before the cut away
>absolute kino

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Conceptually, air.

In the show, fire.

imagine, just imagine being this much of a pleb

All these manchildren getting assblasted being told their favorite kids cartoon isn't that good, fine job sir

There is no benefit in being reductive.