Dark - General

Sorry the kids noah kiled is what i meant.

Finally a good chart

>What the fuck? So he just wrote the scripts in good faith?
Ofcourse. The theme of the series is that everything is connected to eachother. It´s quite complicated how the characters and all the events and everything fit together, eventhough some of them seem not connected. So you have to preplan the whole thing or you can create a massive plothole.
Everything fit together that happens in season 1 to what happens in season 2, that´s what´s so cool about it. And you only really appreciate it after you have seen season 2. And then go watch season 1 again and now things in season 1 you didn´t get start to make sense. And i expect season 3 is the same way. Without things happening in season 1 season 2 could not be possible to do. That set events from season 3.. You can´t wing that sort of stuff, have to preplan the entire storyline in rough at the very least what is going to occur.

Of course the basic plotlines have to be set but he even wrote all the dialogue it seems.

Why the fuck does Future/Apocalypse Elisabeth look so goddamn old and broken? She's younger than Jonas and even his Future/Apocalypse counterpart doesn't look as old as she does.

Ulrich did nothing wrong
Bartosz did nothing wrong
Based adult Noah gonna get in with kid elizabeth.

Why wouldn't Jonas just fucking kill himself? If he's the reason he grabbed Mikkel and sent him back to the past, that stops Michael from committing suicide.

This little German Netflix show did something multiple billion franchises did not do:
They actually planned this shit out ahead of time.

There are two possibilities:
>All scripts were complete/mostly complete by the time season 1 was shot, season 2 had a break because Netflix didn't know wherever it was profitable
>An outline was complete from the get go, season 2 was written the moment they got their contract renewed, season 3 was written along/immediately after it.

At the bare minimum everything was planned ahead of time in some sort of outline, with details added later.
But it is hilarious how this is much better planned, written and thought out than Star Wars, while being like a tenth of its budget.

Every graph tying the characters to one another i've seen has been shit. I might aswell make one myself and make it so it's a lot simpler instead of lines everywhere.

No, I saw some leaks from even before Season 2 even premiered that Netflix granted them three seasons only the entire time, which makes me think that was what Obar had in mind the entire time.

She seen some shit dude

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You forget, she's in direct contact with radiation everyday.

It's already prewritten before the show even aired. Always intended it to be a three parter. Two german writers have made pure kino, something thousands of other people with millions of dollars couldn't do.

>Of course the basic plotlines have to be set but he even wrote all the dialogue it seems.
Well you can argue that it due to the character of the story, it works the same way for the dialogue. The dialogue needs to also be very time coordinated and specific what they are told and at which point, also to keep surprising the audience which i think dark is quite good a t. And which year are they told it. And the reveals about how are the characters connected to eachother. So that has to be preplanned aswell to a large degrees. Must have been fun to write and try to piece it together in a way so that it works and adds up.

This.
Would have been the easiest way.
But now in season 3 we will have different timelines and it will make that a moot point
Well that graph is for season 1 only

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Well he said on twittergram that he always wanted to do 3 seasons.

Then why does season 2 have less episode than 1?

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Man with all the different timezones location scouting and set building must be intense

Who's the one in the middle?

future girl

I don't know why it's got two fewer episodes. That could have been his plan? He realized that after writing everything that it would only need to be eight episodes instead of ten because there was less set up and you dive right into it?

Also, was anyone else distracted by Magnus' fucking hair? I thought he too was a tranny when I first saw him. He's got eyeliner on ans shit too.

>who is girl in the middle.
It´s future girl, she´s called silja in the series.
dark.netflix.io/
On this website you can learn more about the characters and events, and some spoilers.

>dude time travel
Doesn't make sense, it won't ever make sense no matter how hard you try to make it happen.

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His hair is why it took me a minute to recognize Future Magnus.
It's wild.

What kind of fucked up name is Bartosz.

Also why was Franziska just naked in the lake?
She is a freak.

It's really good. For being a netflix production it's incredibly good, really.

You clearly haven't watched the show.

That's one of the entire themes and messages of the show. It's that all of this makes no fucking sense.

It does but only into the future not into the past

Because in the Dark universe, whenever someone mysterious appears and talks all cryptic, you stop everything you do and follow them without asking questions.

>He's got eyeliner on ans shit too.
Wtf
I thought the hair was just to distinguish him from flashbacks.
That was good casting though. They have a similar nose

>Dude it doesn't make sense therefore it makes sense
End your life please

The Tranny is Agnes Nielsen after the hormones.

Yeah, his name confused me too. Out of all these regular German names he comes in here with his stupid Polack name.

I first thought it was his lastname in season 1 but nope just random east European first name

Time traveller appears
>There's no time to explain
Yes there fucking is you obtuse fucking fuck

ehem... fuck Katharina Nielsen

Most people living in a post apocalyptic hellhole would probably age badly.

>Based adult Noah
That was teenage Noah though.

>Doesn't make sense, it won't ever make sense no matter how hard you try to make it happen.
This is one of the points of dark. Dark operates with what is called a bootstrap paradox and a predestination paradox. Which should technically not violate laws of time travel. However what would happen is that you would get stuck in a loop that you couldn´t get out of, that just repeats over and over again to infinity. So it would have been better if you had not travelled at all.. Would make you absolutely insane, it´s like repeating the same life a kajillion fucking times without being able to change a thing. Sort of. I don´t pretend to fully understand but look into boostrap and predestination paradox.

But it was old Noah on the pic with his baby girl mother in law

White people all look the same desu

I am surprised they got funding from Netflix with such an problematic cast

noah went from teenage noah to adult noah in a matter of five seconds, apparently.

Yeah I also thought about this. This whole show such a fine craftmanship.

Now that I think of it, there has really only been one minority character the entire time and it was that arab/turkish/whatever kid that gets killed. and even that's stretching it

>Then why does season 2 have less episode than 1?
Budget allocation, I guess. Get two hour less, but get to do more in the other 8

Yep the deaf one.
He was literally the only one and he barely had screentime, nor was any real attention put on him being a truk.

Well yeah, I'm guessing teenage Noah and tween Elizabeth will spend time together until they are both adults, then they will have a kid (Charlotte).

Wut? Who?

There was one black guy shown very quickly when Mikkel first travels back to 1986 and goes to the school

Yasin or whatever his name was. Killed by Noah and Helge. His body ended up in the 50's and Ullrich got wrongfully caught for his murder.

and he wasn't even as "visually" turkish as the turks really are in germany.
based baran bo odar. show with "all-white" cast and i didn't even notice or care because it was written, directed, and filmed extremely well

Oh i remember

We still don't know who Helge's real father is. His mother mentioned to Noah that Bernd Doppler wasn't Helge's real father is. I'm guessing it's a time traveler.

Also, what is Hannah's plan? To stay in the 50's and live out her life from there?

I feel like Mike & Jay are going to hate it

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Holy shit, are you stupid or what? His Dad's name is Boris, so it's very possible he's a German with Eastern European roots.

Can't wait for a black guy to end the time loop and it finally get the reveal that it's a metaphor/allegory for white countries being in an eternal hate/war loop and how only refugees can end this vicious cycle.

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> Niewald
Clearly a slav.

Don't think he's a teenager, he's anywhere between 20-23, an adult. The Noah we regularly see is 30+, so when elizabeth gets to 20, he will be 30-33 and then they have a kid i'm assuming.

Did they voice themselfes in the english dub?

Mike would love it, solid fucking script with set ups and pay offs en masse.
Jay would admire its ambition, but he would prefer a tone similiar to Twin Peaks: The Return.

Nope.

Do you understand the history of Germany? There are many Russians and Poles with German roots/surnames living here to this day. They came here after Germany lost WW2 and there was another big influx after the end of the Cold War.

hannah did nothing wrong

Actualy they went to Russia when Cathy the Great asked them too in the first place and just came back

Many came back after the reunification, there was a government program set up, where you would get German citizenship and some money, if you could proof your German ancestry.

What is this show like Stranger Things for Krauts or something?

no it has tits

hannah is a filthy whore

Hannah smonkes the cock like others suck the cigar

>implying The Wall is bothered by something as futile as time itself

>Then why does season 2 have less episode than 1?
I have a feeling that it´s because season 1 and 2 are the setup for a quite lengthy 3rd and final season that is already preplanned. Why they started shooting almost immediately. Basically 1st and 2nd season is merely the setup to fascilitate the immense head twister that is going to happen in season 3. Atleast that´s what i am hoping for. But i´m pretty satisfied with season 1 and 2 as it is.
It´s very clearly the bootstrap and predetermination paradox that odar is playing with.
>The Predestination Paradox and the Bootstrap Paradox, on the other hand, are examples of closed loops in time in which ’cause and effect’ repeat in a circular pattern, resulting in a self-created entity with no point of origin. Despite being an oddity and apparently conspiring against our understanding of causality, this ‘self-caused’ event, like the Big Bang, does not appear to be an impossibility. Nor does it imply any inconsistency with the timeline’s history. In fact, all the events in the time loop are “fixed” and take place on a single unchangeable timeline.
This is what adam is trying to get them all out of it seems.. Why he obsess about that painting he looks at several points in season 2 and talks about how..
>it´s remarkable that humans don´t crack. Stuck in an endless cycle of life and rebirth. Given the futility of their own existence
Stuck inside that loop.

>build a 1921 set
>shoot all scenes
>build a 1953 set
>shoot all scenes
>build a 1986 set
>shoot all scenes
>build a 2019 set
>shoot all scenes
>build a 2053 set
>shoot all scenes

Well you have to be extra careful to not put anything not time appropriate into those sets.
Like Starbucks coffee

Reminder that everything was planned from the start, old Jonas already had the neck wound.

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*in season 1 I meant

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>pic
Yep. That´s what i was thinking aswell.
Very cool setup, i certainly hope the conclusion won´t dissapoint.

Finished the first season again.
It's kinda disappointing that 90% of what Noah told Helge and Bartosz turned out to be lies, or him being bamboozled by Adam, but it's still a damn solid season.

He also reacts in the similar slightly neurotic way as young bartosz. As they are digging that tunnel in the first episode of season 2. When he realizes, he can´t swing young noah to see his point of view. When he points out how curious it is that beginning and end should be the same thing. And also the deeply disturbing comment about.
>i believe in the irony of fate
and that.
>maybe this paradise (that adam wants to take them to) and hell aren´t one and the same.
And makes no effort to save his own life. Because he maybe realizes it´ll just repeat itself all over again. So he´s not going anywhere. Notice how the characters/travellers that die, they don´t even try to save their own lives.

I started season 3, I'm on episode 3 and I have no clue what's going on.
It's been a long time since I watched season 1 so I don't remember jackshit

season 2*

Reminder that the alt worlds are also part of the loop.

Adam wants to end the world to break the loop.
Claudia wants the loop to keep going forever, because that's the only way to prevent Adam from destroying everything.
Neither option is really an acceptable good ending. She manipulates Jonas into thinking he can do something to stop it, but he can't. When she said to Noah "you never understood how this game is played", it means that he believed anyone had any choice, which is a lie.

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THE LYRICS, WHAT DO THEY MEAN?

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>Of course we have to break the loop, du Dödel.

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How many episodes would ypu wsnt season three to have assuming they were able to keep the quality up no matter how many you choose?

>Its another Egon runs around confused and thinks its satanism episode
>Its another Helge is confused, abused and stupid episode
>Its another Hannah is an irredeemable, backstabbing bitch episode
>Its another Jonas causes the thing he tries to stop episode

Peak moment was when Jonas said:"Martha, wir haben es geschafft. Wir sind das Dunkel geworden."

hannah best girl

>It must be the satanists!

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6

FUCK this season was KINO

Leave Egon Tiedemann alone!
To the characters credit he never gave up the case entirely.

>when even your own character page on the official website calls you out on lacking brain cells

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Never has a police officer in a series gotten as many clues though, i´ll give you that.
But then again. Time travel isn´t on the top of any rational police officers list of possibilities.

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>Time travel isn´t on the top of any rational police officers list of possibilities.
This. In reality only a fool would even consider it.

Anyways how is your sexlife?

Why did Ego tell Anke Engeke that she has no heart?

>Anke Engeke

Kek

Did you just assume my gender?
Also i think Egon isn´t stupid, he doesn´t believe in anything unnatural whatsoever. I think that´s the point of his character. He doesn´t believe in anything out of the ordinary. So it takes him ages to finally realize, ok something very weird is going on here. I actually feel sorry for him. He makes sure ulrich doesn´t get a listening to and gets locked up in psychiatric ward. But at same time he tries to do good, but have completely misunderstood the situation.
Also can we talk about the one total horseshit part of season 2 where old ulrich is played by a totally different actor? WHY.. Too little critique of this series.. it´s not healthy either. I think that´s one point of contention i have. That was stupid.

Because the actor is too expensive I guess.
I didn't even realize it was an actual senior playing old Ulrich. I thought it was just bad make up like with Pastewkas dad.
>he doesn´t believe in anything unnatural whatsoever.
>believes in god
Uhm sweety I think we have to talk

Yeah it´s a different actor that plays old Ulrich. I mean he´s not bad at it. But they could easily have the older character play it. To have him play the reaction on top of it, to meeting him so long after and all that pent up frustration of being in isolation ward for so long.
>he believes in god.
Yeah ok. But otherwise he doesn´t seem to believe in anything else.
But I actually felt sorry for him. He makes sure ulrich doesn´t get a listening to and gets locked up in psychiatric ward. But at same time he tries to do good by doing so, because of what ulrich did.

But he has, to massive frustration of the audience, completely misunderstood the situation. And when old ulrich tells him he´s too stupid to understand anything, and will die just as stupid as he always was, if he can´t figure it out by now. Because he makes no attempt to realize what is going on in his mind. That was a bit over the top. But understandable since ulrich was locked up in a psychiatric ward because of his narrowmindedness.
Poor Egon, and Ulrich.

Ulrich did act like a fool though.
Losing his cool as if it would do anything but make his situation worse. He was a cop ffs he should know better when laying low and acting later would be best.

>You thought Noah killed the kids for no reason
The reason was very clear by the end of season 1.

Also in the psychiatric ward.
I think he was ready to tell him when he repeats those lyrics again. After Egon seeks him out. And then if Egon had caught that. He might have told him everything. But then, when Egon STILL doesn´t get it. The pent up frustration of being locked up in isolation ward for 30 years or whatever. Got to him and he just tells him to fuck off instead. Ulrich is probably legitimately crazy at that point being around nothing but ACTUAL crazy people for that long.
To Egons credit he does finally realize what has been going on. So Ulrich doesn´t have his way where he dies as stupid as he always was. That was Egons 'saving grace' i guess. That he did end up figuring out. Showing that he´s not as dumb as they all think he is. He just can´t believe that it is like that.

Tits we already saw:
Hannah
Martha
Franziska

Who will join the list in season 3?
Agnes?
Unshaved Katharina?

Because Claudia told him about the "world without you"

Surely he should belive her instead of his older self

If there's no Elizabeth we riot