Rewatching these, they actually make fantastic sense and expands on the mythos in intelligent ways

*BRRRAAAAAP*

*Sniff*
"Hm."
*Sniff* *Sniff*

*PFFFT BRAAAAAPPPP*

Not for everyone.

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This. Never understood why they couldn't make the fight scenes so long and yet so little creative. The spare time could be used somewhere else, like expanding the relationship between Morpheus and Niobe beyond "somethings change, somethings they don't really" narrative, which in fact doesn't explain shit.

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I remember watching these in the theater and remembering the action scenes going on FOREVER

>, like expanding the relationship between Morpheus and Niobe beyond "somethings change, somethings they don't really" narrative, which in fact doesn't explain shit.
underage kill yourself

This.

When I was younger I thought the scene where the woman was eating the cake made her get diarrhea. Then later when whatsherface says "she wasn't kissing your face, my love" I still didn't understand.

other way around

They're endlessly fun but corny as fukk.

>fukk

Matrix felt like a German's idea of what an American would think was cool all smooshed into one movie

you must be a fucking retard

It was cool.

Coolest parts of all three movies as follows:
The Matrix - Neo/Smith Subway fight
Reloaded - Highway segment
Revolutions - those mechs defending zion from the sentinels

when did you realize Matrix was just Tron?

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thanks, I like to think I get it from you

Stand aside, the only good thing about Matrix Revolutions coming through

youtube.com/watch?v=D9s18rUaubc

kys
The sequels are utter garbage produced for the lowest common denominator (you) and fucking shit on the very concept of the Matrix.

There's no "second layer of the matrix"
Neo just has psychic powers.

Japanese cyberpunk has SHITLOADS of characters with psychic powers, and the Matrix is based on that stuff.

All the big famous Japanese cyberpunk IPs involve psychic powers, actually. GitS, Lain, Key the Metal Idol, Genocyber, Angel Cop, Oedo 808 etc etc

Dark city also does.

Neo just has psychic powers that let him see stuff without eyes and control sentinels without an interface. It's really that simple.

god that end fight was so fucking anime but I'd be lying if I said that shit didn't pump me up

that's wrong though, even the tranny directors confirmed it was a matrix in a matrix

>humans are grown in pods
>from birth

So where do the babies even come from? Are they cloned? When people have sex in the matrix and they have a 'kid' is that kid actually related to them? How the fuck does a pregnant woman in the matrix coorelate to a baby in the real world?

When a baby is born in the matrix is that baby 1:1 born in the real world in a pod somewhere? How the fuck does this work?!

The Matrix is just Plato's cave allegory, you dumbfuck faggot. Because people STILL didn't get it after the first movie rubbed it into their faces they made a "second layer" to underline the idea.

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he force ghostin

The matrix has complete control over your perceived reality. It doesn't have to make perfect sense, your mind just has to accept it. Like in a dream.

They probably take sperm and eggs from the people having sex and grow the baby in the pod, and create an avatar for the baby inside the Matrix

>action movie
>hurr there's too much action
Fucking hell

Revolutions is totally misunderstood. "Peace" was an acceptable form of the cycle of The One and Neo played his part according to the protocol the machines laid out for him. Virus Smith was an intentional move to force Neo to spread his code throughout the entire Matrix to start the cycle anew just like the Architect said in Reloaded. The sentinels stopped the massacre because Neo's death prevented him from freeing a new set of controlled opposition. You realize the entire matrix series is just the Oracle wrapping herself in layers of kekaiku and the Architect trying to clean up the mess.
Neo is a side character, but if the movies focused of the main characters: the Oracle and the Architect, it would be a fairly boring sci-fi drama.

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>Why do my eyes hurt?
>You've never used them before

Best line of the trilogy.

Absolutely all of that oracle and architect bullshit is extremely contrived writing and doesn't fit with the original idea of the Matrix at all. Both the sequels are just dumb excuses for more action, because the Wacko Thingies couldn't write anything interesting after they ran out of material to steal.

me when i see the wachowskis

That's only the first half of the movie

The end of the movie is an illustration of mystical ceremonies where the guy goes into a coma for three days and wakes up with knowledge of the future and a full stat boost.

only insofar as it's a movie i.e a simulated reality. The real world of the movie is our world.

witnessing the real world =/= literally dying.

>too dumb to understand the matrix
(you) are retarded

>too dumb to know about the stuff I'm talking about

The cave allegory is only the first half of the film. He wakes up, goes back in, and now he knows how things really are and is persecuted for it (that's how the allegory goes)

If you want to slap a platonic parable onto the fact that Neo got resurrected and had superpowers, maybe you can dig up the stuff at the end of Phaedo. But there's nothing in the cavern allegory about dying and gaining superpowers, it's just about knowledge and people's reaction to it.

It's more 20th Century Gnosticism (which is inspired by but misunderstands Neo-Platonism) than Plato strictly.

Plato's fault for coming up with the whole "dudes we're gonna get resurrected in a perfect world where everything looks like a low-poly CG render" thing. I doubt Socrates himself made that up.

What makes the first one so superior to the 2 other?

Socrates' problem was how can you possibly convince someone like Glaucon of the importance of virtue without needing some kind of "OR ELSE" authority bogeyman in an afterlife. Hence, the need to create an account of the world beyond. This is Nietzsche's reductionist account (which I disagree with), but it's at least on the surface where Socrates/Plato were coming from.

Jesus christ, what a retarded idiot you are.
Plato's cave is a representation of an idea, in the same way the matrix is. That doesn't mean the story has to be the same.
"Dying and gaining superpowers" is just a way to do the awakening to the realization that nothing is real. It's not so much "gaining superpowers" as it is realizing that the "world" is just a veil pulled over your eyes. Plus it fits with the standard hero's journey story-arch. It's just an idea visualized through the format of an action movie.
Stop being an absolute mouth-breathing mongoloid any day.

better pacing, action doesn't lose its momentum, less irrelevant bullshit about free willy

I have a very hard time articulating how I feel about these two movies. But i'll try
They aren't bad movies, I'd even say they were pretty solid. But they are full of moments that don't need to be there [The defense of Zion plot] I'm glad I watched them and would recommended at least a single viewing of it to anyone who hasn't seen them. I'm just glad that they left it as a trilogy and didn't make anymore movies.

It has a story and a concept.
The other two are just capeshit.

The Matrix didn't need to be expanded on, it was a big obvious metaphor

why would I want lore for that?

The defense of Zion was fine. I think it added actual weight to what Neo was fighting for.

there is ALREADY a cavern allegory in the film and this isn't it.
The cavern allegory does not involve being killed in order to get supreme knowledge, it involves being killed AS A RESULT of people hating your supreme knowledge.

The idea that is illustrated by the cavern cannot be the same idea as the one illustrated by the end of the movie, because at the end of the movie, nobody can do shit against Neo.

>Plus it fits with the standard hero's journey story-arch.
which is based on mystical traditions where the guy goes in a coma and wakes up with superpowers. But visualized through the medium of storytelling.

I fully agree, but to be fair the Second Renaissance was pretty good. It takes the world and uses it as a metaphor for something completely different though: The human relationship to "the other".

Yeah. More aduience members need to be ok with a story serving as subtext and to not need the "lore" autistically detailed front and back. The Matrix is an idea, a talking point; not an original one even, but it makes the idea digestible and easily discussed. That is its value.

also the explanation I was taught, I don't really see another one. Except maybe Plato or Socrates being legit bonkers.

no, it's this
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_demon

They’re damage control to dilute the message of the first movie.

For the same reason they made sequels to movies like Rambo

FREE MONEY

There honestly is no other good explanation if you're not Catholic, or at least don't believe in any kind of "Truth with a capital T" that our world reflects/is derived from.

Bound was a pretty good movie, even if the first 30 minutes (the romance between the wachowskis' lesbo self-inserts) is like a bad porno

>The defense of Zion plot
Revolutions made it really clear that they had too much material to make one film but not enough for two (according to the studio), it's so bloated with overlong scenes like that. They should just have sucked it up and done it all in one 3 hour film.

it's not weighed down by shit like this
> "Peace" was an acceptable form of the cycle of The One and Neo played his part according to the protocol the machines laid out for him. Virus Smith was an intentional move to force Neo to spread his code throughout the entire Matrix to start the cycle anew just like the Architect said in Reloaded. The sentinels stopped the massacre because Neo's death prevented him from freeing a new set of controlled opposition. You realize the entire matrix series is just the Oracle wrapping herself in layers of kekaiku and the Architect trying to clean up the mess.

You are literally too dumb to be worth talking to, user.
The cavern allegory has absolutely nothing to do with "getting killed". How did you even make it through any basic philosophy course being this thick?
Being killed for seeing the truth is just a metaphorical way of bashing the uneducated, unthinking masses, who will attack anyone who manages to think outside the box from a point of perceived superiority (because they are many, and the man with the idea is alone), despite being the dumb retards that they are - much like yourself.

Well, yes, but that is just an extension of Plato's idea.

>the 5 minute long music video

My dad took me to the movies for this one and he made me close my eyes so I would not have to witness Keanu Reeves' sex scene. Dad, you were right, that was not something I ever needed to see.

I've never cringed as hard as I just did reading these philosophy majors trying to flex on each other.

except Rambo 2+4 were actually good brainless action flicks

Matrix 2+3 were Star Wars prequel tier messes

You are just pissed off because you can't understand anything about it.

>flex
kill yourself zoomer nigger

Rambo is a story about how veterans never leave the war behind, and that he who lives by the sword dies by the sword. Rambo fucking dies in the book to illustrate that point. The entire point is lost by making more movies.

Same with Rocky, it's a story about working your way to the top but it depicts what it's like to lose. Rocky winning in the later ones is completely antithetical to the message of the first one. It's not a story about victory, it's a story about endurance, and how all of this hard work does not guarantee a victory. It shows that the guy that lost still worked his fucking ass off to get there.

I mean, nobody asked if you studied anything beyond 101 in college. Just shut the fuck up and let the adults talk, user.

Yes it very much does, after coming back into the cavern, the guy is hated and despised for speaking the truth.

Socrates was forced to kill himself (literally, not metaphorically) by the uneducated masses. Connect the fucking dots.

So if anything, the general persecutions in the allegory are a metaphor for real life executions, not the other way around.

Not only do you not understand the ending of The Matrix, you also don't understand the cavern allegory.

>How did you even make it through any basic philosophy course being this thick?
I made it through to my MD in philosophy, if you really want to know.

>to this day there exists people who love the matrix without actually getting it at all
There is no fucking hope for humanity

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I'm not saying Rambo and Rocky sequels are better than the originals, just that they are competently made movies that can entertain you if you aren't expecting much

the Matrix sequels are a chore to watch

Don't worry, I understand what you're saying and can agree with you, but it's just disappointing that Hollywood has to keep recycling IP's and pushing them in philosophically opposite directions. Like that reboot Star Trek movie would have actually been pretty alright if it wasn't marketed and sold as Star Trek.

and there they are, the Starbucks baristas

please tell me more about basic ass shit like the allegory of the cave pls lmao

Not user in , but imagine seething this much as , , and

What I hate most about this chinese carpet weavery forum is having to be exposed to stunning Dunning-Kruger abominations like you.

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it's really fucking simple
guy goes out of the cave = Neo wakes up
guy comes back into the cave = Neo goes back in
guy is persecuted = Neo gets hunted by the Agents

there's no "guy is resurrected and gets to defend himself with his mind powers" in the cavern allegory.

Is Animatrix any good for fans of only the first

Actually, my problems with those sequels is that that over explain everything and it bogs the story down immensely. There's literally a scene where the Oracle explains the concept of the sequels to Neo only for a couple scenes later to have the Merovingian explain the exact same thing only for the movie to end with the Architect explaining the exact same concept to Neo. It's like the Wachowskis knew general audiences wouldn't get it and had to drill it into their heads. It makes the sequels tiresome to watch.

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You're the fucking idiot who brought up my level of education.

Why does it always go like this
>I BET YOU CAN'T EVEN X
>actually I can
>WOW THAT DOESN'T FUCKING MEAN ANYTHING STOP BRAGGING FAGGOT WHO EVEN ASKED YOU?

Absolutely. The Second Renessaince especially.

The Frenchman's wife had such nice titties

>the protocol the machines laid out for him
No.
In the first Matrix Neo becomes the One ("perhaps in another life, who knows?") and destroys Smith, who, in turn, decides somehow to remain in the Matrix. Therefore, both of them are responding to each other's imbalance: Smith exists because of Neo and viceversa. It was not foreseen by the machines. When Neo sacrifices himself by cancelling out Smith's virus form, the machines stop as their part of the bargain. They did not know to which extent the virus would extend beyond humans and into machines themselves.

Also: Smith's possesion of Bane (yes, the big guy) is only the next upgrade in his programming. He can do that both in and out of the Matrix, why not in mechanical hardware?

I watched it a couple years ago after hearing how it was way better than the sequels for years

it sucks

Your level of eduaction ahs nothing to do with your level of discussion, user. If you have an MD in philosophy, both you and your school has wasted a lot of time and money.

The only one that really felt overly long and crappy was the brawl with Neo and the dozens of Smith clones in the second movie, and that was mostly because the CGI was so bad.

Please, if you are not going to add anything of value to the discussion just shut up and listen. Maybe you could learn something.

Rambo 4 notwithstanding, Rambo's sequels are... inconsistent. The second one is good but very different from the previous one, but Rambo 3 is just more of what we think the audience expects.
>Dat horse-riding scene
Jesus christ.

Of course it doesn't.

Why didn't you realize it when you brought it up?

user, I never brought up your level of education. I just pointed out that since you've obviously read a bit, you probably studied this shit in college, and that has me baffled that your understanding of it is so shallow.

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I'll give Rambo 2 credit for at least having some sort of message about the war, not surprising since James Cameron does that in most of his movies

obviously, but we're just fucking around with interpretations

that's the issue with films about conspiracies and interpretations; the more you dig the less you can get a consistent answer out of it. The more surface level you go, the more sense it makes.

mythos of what?
opposite

>literal digital connector integrated into brain
>implausible that Neo's mastery of the Matrix couldn't interface via this connector and electromagnetic radiation with machines outside of the Matrix
>hurr durr must be psychic powers

>later to have the Merovingian explain the exact same thing only for the movie to end with the Architect explaining the exact same concept to Neo
Yeah,even in my stupid teen years I thought that shit was needlessly redundant

user, you're having enough patience. He has ousted himself.

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Are you having a legitimate temper tantrum right now

LOL

People trying to rationalise Neo's control of the machines in the """real""" world as him somehow turning a cable port into a wireless antenna just beggars belief.

Now this has to be the dumbest, most "grug" theory I've ever seen in written form.

And your bafflement is a result of your prior assumption that education=understanding. An assumption you shouldn't have made in the first place.

user, stop. No one ever cared about your education. You were trying to show off your knowledge, but it revealed your lack of understanding of the material.

fair nuff

it's not a wireless device, if it were, a cable would not be needed and people wouldn't be able to escape just by getting unplugged, and the machines would easily find Zion

>Matrix 2+3 were Star Wars prequel tier
So kino misunderstood by absolute brainlets and future SJWs

Holy fuck there are dudes legitimately seething ITT

Guys come on it's just a movie

You won't save face by arguing in bad faith and pretending to disagree, you know.

A word of advice; when you lose an argument, simply say "Fair enough.", it's a good way to forfeit without humiliating yourself.

>That's the issue with (...)interpretations; the more you dig the less you can get a consistent answer out of it.
Of course, but nonetheless these subject pose the most interesting questions, that need not be synthesized in a specific answer to be enjoyed. Also, it raises questions that go beyond the realm of its material origin (a movie, in this case), which is always welcome.

Explained three times from three perspectives, by three different figures (two extremes and a middleman) with three different relationships to the protagonist/audience in three different ways and registers.
Wow, what number might it be a reference to?
(I see your points and respect them, though. I am a staunch defender of the sequels but I understand why people bash them).

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Relax bro it's just a simulation

It's just a simulation bro

I find it better than the "there are two matrices, lol", though, since at least it explains something.

>lose an argument
Here have a final (you), you worthless brainlet.

Every electric wire/interface is a (low power) wireless device/EM emitter. That doesn't mean everyone who doesn't have Neo's level of mastery could do something useful with it outside of the Matrix.

>basic ass shit
why is every zoomer a nigger

Friendly reminder the Matrix in a Matrix theory is canon.

The Prequel comparison is very accurate and I'd be surprise if anyone couldn't connect those dots on their own

there's a much simpler, much more literal answer:
neo has psychic powers

is it a dumb unestablished twist?
Yep.
It's also by far the most sensible explanation, and as I said, it's coherent with the Wachowskis' inspirations. Nobody remembers it but in Ghost in the Shell (the manga) it's revealed in the last few chapters that God and psychic powers are real, like it's no big deal, while the rest of the story is super hard scifi.

No one fucking cares about your weeb animu story parallels. It's not the Matrix.

then ask yourself this: why the fuck would it have a wireless transmitter if not to be used as a tracking device?

By now you'd think the machines would have effortlessly found Zion. And the machines finding the location of Zion is the big stake of the first film.

>No one ever cared about your education

(you) are retarded

you dumbfuck faggot

>what a retarded idiot you are.
>Stop being an absolute mouth-breathing mongoloid any day.

>You are literally too dumb
a metaphorical way of bashing the uneducated, unthinking masses, who will attack anyone(...) despite being the dumb retards that they are - much like yourself.

You did bring it up, with your name calling. At least he provided verbal, written references of his intellectual achievements, which, while not a 100% accurate representation of intellect, do require certain mental skills. None of which references you have provided. Perhaps you are the One? The Stupid One?

Also, different user here. Quote us, and I'll show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

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One thing I never got through is how did the machine and Neo predict that Trinity would have fallen to her death. It's caused by a faulty bridge in real world.

It's a well-known inspiration source of the Matrix,

I'm merely providing you an explanation for why the wachowskis thought it was okay to include this dumb plot twist: they saw it in their weeb animu stories.

You're both dumbasses. "The matrix" is an illusion. As a safety measure it has several layers and distractions (giving humanity a whole fake enemy to focus their energies on defeating is just a way to misdirect).

lol

based negro man

Shut the fuck up.

And he did it again before I was done posting.
Bravo.
Fucking bravo.
>In real life I am no One. But on the internet I make my own movies.
You may believe you're tough, but only your mind makes it real.

>he
Stop samefagging, faggot.

nothing indicates that in the film.

something indicates that Neo has psychic powers: he got resurrected, which is the same type of fantasy bullshit as psychic powers

deep

>You're both dumbasses.
You think imma read your comment if you begin with an insult?

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No use in being rude. You can just go "oh, I see" and retain your dignity.

>nothing indicates that in the film

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The Oracle was behind everything. Manipulated Neo and Trinity to fall in love so hed go through the other door. Thats the meaning of her line “whats gonna bake your noodle.” Great philosophy. First movie was the best as a movie, though

>Stop samefagging, faggot.
>He only quotes one of us
And I thought this couldn't get any better

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Why are all weebs so massively autistic?

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He didn't get resurrected, he just stopped accepting that he was bound by the rules of the Matrix. He stepped up from "You think that's air you're breathing?" to "You think those are bullets hitting you?".

educate me.
when is the possibility of multiple layers of simulations brought up?

We know that there can be several separate simulations, but when is it shown or said that they can be layered?

>then ask yourself this: why the fuck would it have a wireless transmitter if not to be used as a tracking device?
That's not what I said retard. Anything that allows electrons to flow through it emits EM radiation. You don't need a separate WiFi chip or anything like that, literally your iPhone charging cable emits EM radiation and almost any metal wire can be used to tune into or emit EM waves (e.g. radio signals).

>By now you'd think the machines would have effortlessly found Zion. And the machines finding the location of Zion is the big stake of the first film.
The sequels reveal that the existence of Zion is something allowed by the machines as another system of control.

The Oracle knew there had been several versions of the Matrix and most of them ended with The One fucking everything up and nearly wiping out all the freed humans. What the fuck was her problem?

See what, you post contains nothing of value. It didn't add anything to the conversation. If you don't have any actual insight to add, then just shut the fuck up. No one cares about the inspiration potentially drawn from anime, it doesn't apply here.

He did die, though.

I may be misremembering but I'm pretty sure he flatlined, and then Trinity's magical princess kiss brought him back

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you say it as if she's some big bad schemer.

>struggling this hard

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fair enough, it's not impossible then. Still a big assumption.

Then the indian man explains it to him again in the third movie

Yes and no.
He does die in the Matrix.
And he dies for less than two minutes. Like any other near-death experience. Are those resurrections? Yes and no. He regains consciousnes and his heart starts beating again. He retakes his avatar form in the Matrix and fucks Trinity afterwards. I think that doubting his resurrection is fair, just like talking about people who drown and are resuscitated (reanimated, in my language).
So, both of you are right.

His heart does stop but you don't actually die the minute your heart stops beating, your brain keeps going for several minutes afterwards.

so, did he flatline or did he not?
is it brought up or is it not?

Just remind it to me.

>it was a matrix in a matrix
14 y.o. tier of writing.

>he flatlined
Is not death. The brain controls the beating of the heart (via the brain stem) and the brain does not die immediately the moment the heart stops beating. In fact the brain remains alive and healthy for a few minutes after the heart stops beating.

>three different perspectives etc.
Youre right but it does bog the MOVIE down. That would be better suited to a book.

Perhaps this was the only time she tried this approach. Who knows what clearer forewarning might do.

Say what you will about Reloaded, but it still has the best fight scene in the franchise.

youtube.com/watch?v=mPyLF7NxZyY

Nonsense

Revolutions was great though.

Your opinion of course.

Where does it say he's completely free of the rules of the Matrix? Oh, Morpheus said so, so I guess its real because Morpheus said so. Oh wait, Morpheus had to have been told this by the Oracle! But didn't the Oracle tell Neo he wasn't the one?
OH, that's right, The Oracle tells you what you need to hear! Oh!

It explains it in the movie. Its his connection to the source that allows him to turn off the sentinel. The second matrix theory is unfounded and unecessary headcannon

Based

>it does bog the MOVIE down
For you.

>That would be better suited to a book.
For you and for me.
Just in case, I see why you say this. But I just disagree. Please, don't try to convince me.

So. What about that squid who crashes into the Logos in Matrix Revolutions and its "ghost" goes through the windshield of the ship AND NEO and has no weight to anything in the scene or the movie?

this is even more of a meme opinion now than 1 > 2 > 3

true, true.

Still, I really really doubt that we're meant to be able to interpret this in scientifically plausible terms. The wachowskis had more than enough time to explain us how that shit was possible, instead they went for
-a traditional movie way of confirming someone's death (flatline)
-a traditional movie way of showing someone doing literal magic (palm extended outwards)

they went for the fantasy way of portraying those events and didn't bring anything up to tone that down. So I'm still going with psychic powers.

>gets BTFO by Kill Bill doing the same thing

The movie doesn't explain what his connection to the source is though, all the machine technology either uses physical cables or small satellite dishes. Having that connection be through his real body which is still in the Matrix makes more sense than an unmentioned wireless psychic link between a human and machine.

yeah but the nature of that connection is not explained

Meh

The real world was the second level of the matrix.

Neo doesn't have psychic powers!

He Sees everything connected to the Source!

You have No idea what the original idea of the Matrix was because everything Morpheus knew the Oracle told him so if she's to be believed why would she tell Neo he's not the one?

Oh, that's right, She tells you WHAT YOU NEED TO HEAR!

And since everything you believe you know of what the first Matrix was really about is based on what the Oracle said to Morpheus then maybe both you and Morpheus didn't get it.

is it related to the matrix franchise?

It doesnt matter if youre convinced or not thats just the way it is for wide audiences. But regardless I think we can agree that those scenes individually are all kino

They're characters interpretating their purposes. Are you so much of a retard you didn't get it?

I dunno man, what makes more sense from a narrative script writing perspective?
-the Chosen One protagonist has bullshit superpowers
-there's a whole other world in that movie that's never alluded to or shown but explains all the bullshit that happens in this one. In a movie about showing you what the real world is like.

>He Sees everything connected to the Source!
What do you call this connection if not literal mind magic?

Or it's this you utter brainlets:

He is connected to the source. Which is why he could only see machines and machine city and not the Hoover craft.

>-a traditional movie way of confirming someone's death (flatline)
That's the problem. Scientifically, a flatline is not 100% percent guarantee, if it is caught on time, of course. But in movies it always is.

> psychic powers.
Cyberpunk Powers. Neo used his data plan, not the cable plan. Whatever. But they're not psychic. They don't work brain-to-brain (at least biologically different).
If the Wacho's original idea had been implemented (humas as part of a neural supercomputer, not as an energy source), perhaps we would have found some answers.

Its true that its not explained but I would argue that no explanation does not equal proof of a second matrix. At best you can speculate. Personally I think the intention of the directors was simply to show that after neo went through the other door something changed in him.

and the true real world is OUR real world, the movie is just a simulation because all movies are simulations

>Were people just too dumb to understand these movies back in the day?

People still are. I like them, I think they're good. Reloaded is kind of a good follow up to the original. Still lots of new settings and characters all at once. Zion, The Merovingian, all the other ships and the council or whatever.... it was a lot to take in. It made it feel like a whole movie happened in between that we skipped.

That aside once you can digest the movie it is indeed deeper and more subtle than people realize. The concepts of life and choice and conformity. There's elements pushed in our face and others not so much. The idea that smith could become the matrix is a concept even the machines didn't employ. They allowed a sense of freedom in their prison, but didn't imprison minds as Smith did. Really though, I fault no one for not getting into the movies, they did too much too fast and weren't as tight and focused as the first. And the third is a lot of superfluous action, fun action, but a lot of it.

The Oracle engineered all of it. More like she used prescience to set up major pieces and hoped for the best.

>never alluded to
The whole fucking movie is an allusion to this concept. How the fuck are you this dense?

Sure, I'll accept that. It's a better theory than "hurr neo has da psychic powers".

>Cyberpunk Powers.
Psychic powers are very cyberpunk, especially in Japanese cyberpunk which The Matrix is based on, as I pointed out.

>If the Wacho's original idea had been implemented (humas as part of a neural supercomputer, not as an energy source), perhaps we would have found some answers

yeah there would have been room for a "his Matrix self is simultaneously doing stuff in perfect synchronicity" explanation but nope

I wouldn't be bringing it up if it were not, fuck dude.

The real world in the movie The Matrix was tje second level ot the movie The Matrix. The physical media on which the movie The Matrix is stored is the third level of the Movie the Matrix.
But Zion's city, while appearing in the Movie the Matrix, was not part of the matrix depicted in the Movie the Matrix.
Do you get my drift?

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It's really not. "the wachowskis are intervening in the events of the movie and making things happen to get Neo out of trouble by breaking narrative continuity in a self-aware way" is the most inelegant explanation

MY GOODNESS MAN! OUR PHONES ARE PSYCHIC TOO THEN? Yes, they're using quantum entanglement but it's quite literally my point; saying Neo is psychic is like saying my phone and your device is psychic.

To some extent. Yeah she orchestrated the main key elements that lead to Zions freedom (telling Trinity she was destined to love the One and his specific love being what was necessary for the One to make a different choice when confronted by the Architect) but even she admitted she didn't know what was going to happen beyond the events of the Architects talk. Why? Because it never happened in the previous cycles.

>I think we can agree that those scenes individually are all kino
One hundred percent agreed. I love the way this man speaks:
>youtube.com/watch?v=cHZl2naX1Xk

we know that there can be one simulation run at a time for a given individual

we don't know about layering several simulations

I get how you can go from the first situation to the second. but the second one is never even suggested as a possibility. There needs to be a positive example of it happening for you to make that assumption.

He has a literal digital connector integrated into his brain. Every electrical device both emits EM radiation and can have an electrical current induced by EM radiation (see photoelectric effect; this is how LED, solar cells and radio antennas work). The machines would emit a lot of EM radiation and there's no reason Neo couldn't "tune into" it using the brain connector the same way he sees the Matrix in code or the way the operators could look at Matrix code on a screen and understand what it represents in the Matrix. Similarly, electricity flowing through the brain connector from Neo's brain would also emit EM radiation. This would always happen due to physics but only because of Neo's mastery of the Matrix could he direct this EM radiation to do specific things/communicate specific messages to the Source.

I always thought it was very boring, then I saw that MTV movie awards parody and haven't been able to keep a straight face through it since

Precisely! She hoped for the outcome we got. Smith recognized her hand in him choosing to resist being deleted upgraded. The unbalanced equation compelled him to stay but it was the Oracle that have him the choice.

No, it's really not the same at all.

Our phones have wireless communication systems that were designed for that purpose

Nothing says that Neo does.

It's possible, but only insofar as it's possible that whenever he's off-screen, he's doing a headstand.

This. Yea Forums brainlets can't into physics

yeah for the first and second movie. what thematic purpose is there in repeating the same thing over and over? it's like you refuse to believe the very point of the Revolutions ending just to scream and shout to everyone "hurr it was another level of control!!!" like you're some smarty pants reddit cuck

Ok, and Neo having psychic powers is equally as retarded.

You could say ‘hoped’ but if were to take the merovingian soliloquy for face value, then the oracle was capable of achieving her desired outcomes with high accuracy. The matrix movies, afterall, emphasize determinism a lot. But then again I don’t know if we’re supposed to take everything the characters say as truth. In that case you could be right.

>Our phones have wireless communication systems that were designed for that purpose
>Nothing says that Neo does.
Literally physics says this you stupid fuck:

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I said QUANTUM ENTANGLED, young one. Theoretical Physicist recognizes that one day we will be able to use entanglement for immediate communication void of networks. How to do so has us at odds at the moment but our best Technomages are working diligently toward solving the how!

That type of overwrought explanation would work if something like that happened in the real world, but this is a movie

In a movie that's dumb enough to bring up body heat as batteries, all the facts you are mentioning WOULD be mentioned if they were on the authors' mind.

Instead, we see neo aiming his arm at the sentinels like a fucking wizard.

What is shown: Neo has psychic powers

>Literally physics
Literally physics explain why it is impossible to power a machine through humans. We simply do not produce enough heat (heat!!). Chill, dude. It's just a fucking movie.

She couldnt see beyond her own choice which was allowing Smith to get her. She did leave a hidden message in the cookie Smith didn't eat but obviously she did.

>Magneto has psychic powers
You either narrow down the term into a specific name or we're not gonna have much fun.
I vote for
Lateral Instantaneous Generator of Mental Arrays, or LIGMA, for short.

people arguing about the ending made me want watch the movies again, I simply though at the time, that it was just bad writting, and a lot of ass pulls (so the psychic theory)

btw whats the source to the MWM being canon?

*gave him the choice!
Neo doesn't have psychic powers.

why can't Neo have psychic powers?
It was pretty cool when he was actually able to extend his reach beyond the digital world.

I'm rewatching them as well. And yes, people were and are that dumb today. The Matrix isn't even that "techy", it's more akin to an mmorpg.

What's ligma?

ligma balls

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He isn't anymore psychic than your instant messenger is.

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