Are you still a Trekkie? It seems like the series is not the same anymore

did nothing wrong

No, I'm a Trekker

>TFW Loony lefty in the 60s
>Now a neo nazi for the exact same opinions in the 10s
Weimar republic 2.0

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She's not wrong.

Closest Trek race to republicans is Ferengi, maybe Andorian if we're being generous and Cardassian if we're being unkind.

Ferengi are unironically based and do more for galactic peace then the federation.

>“You feel like saying, did you watch the show? Because you are saying the exact opposite of what the show represents. It’s an oxymoron – a Star Trek fan does not equal a Republican, it doesn’t. The people who I hear from on social media, I don’t get how they can be huge fans of the show and my character and think the way that they do.”

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Based.

>I cannot empathise or see another group as anything other then evil.
>I totally understand star trek guys.

The only good snake is a dead snake.

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Seven bars says before STD ends they'll find some way to shoehorn the Ferengi in as a thinly veiled FUCK GLUMPF caricature despite it not making a single fucking bit of sense.

They might fuck up and make the Ferengi awesome by making them everything they hate.

how very open minded of her

>Show features socialism paradise
>Fans are republicans
lol wut

The Ferengi are already exactly that so I see no problem here.

kinda ironic that she plays the empath but is unable of empathy

What the fuck does that even mean? That's such an awkwardly worded statement.

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The best star trek series where the ones that showed the cracks in that kind of society and how people reacted to it.

>Rewatching DS9
>Watching the first Shakaar episode
>retarded hillbilly bajoran is mad that the government wants the farming equipment they lent him back so he decides to start a civil war over it
>bajorans love this so much they elect him president of the planet
The Cardassians were right. These people require a firm hand to guide them.

She wants to say that Republicans are evil but she does not want to get any backlash for saying it.
She is actually right but not for the reason she thinks, Republicans are evil because Monarchy is the only moral form of government.

Who cares? Seriously? If she actually does believe that then that say more about Marina Sirtis than it does Republicans that enjoy Star Trek.

>Be farmer
>Rent farm equipment with your tax money
>Govenment wants to sell a cash crop
>Demands that you give them the equipment you rented causing you to have no crop and go bankrupt
>Refuse
>Somehow you are the bad guy.
You are a socialist.

>You can't enjoy something unless it explicitly aligns with your ideology
That must be why the Federation had a kill-on-sight policy with the Ferengi.

Based as fuck tbqh senpachi-dono

>wants to live in socialist utopia
>doesnt have replicator tech yet
ishygddt

Nah, that was cheap drama to make up for TNG's greatness.

Redpill me on Discovery

He started a civil war against a retarded communist government. He was 100% right.

>Rent
No evidence of that. Fucker was dependent on a government handout and got what was coming to him. Perhaps you are the socialist here?

>I don’t get how they can be huge fans of the show and my character
That's because they don't

Trekkies jerk it to Troi, they don't like her as a character

>replicators can't create latinum
>people with access to replicators still trade latinum, an otherwise completely useless substance, for things that replicators can already create
i don't get it

3 episodes into Star Trek Discovery season 2 and so far it's all MICHAEL BURNHAM and angels and space ghosts and shit.

Still don't know the names of the fucking bridge crew aside from Captain Pike,Saru and of course the greatest member of Starfleet ever MICHAEL BURNHAM!

Was the farmer's name Sneed?

Big ginger tits and a based alien, sadly everything else is bland or annoying.

I think it means, JJ Star Trek is such shit the OG fans can't stand it. Looking at shooting stars outside the window of a starship in deep space, a bright light being seen instantaneously of planets LIGHTYEARS away, shitty characters and redesigns of OG races, ships, and uniforms. The standard since 2016 has been to call all critics of your shitty remake sexist alt-right Russian manbabies. In other words, a REPUBLICAN. Sirtis sees this rift and is trying to say not all OG fans are evil, they just don't like watching bad shows. Either that or she's defending the JJ Trek and is saying "Bad people go away."

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You're just validating what she said.

bad

Its not Trek

does the show have any contained adventures at all like classic trek, or is it all one grinding, monotonous serialized grimdark drama storyline?

>speaking the truth is sexist

"Spoonhead" is the single greatest racist insult in all of sci-fi.

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He paid his taxes and tax money was used to pay for farm equipment, he then was allotted time to use the farm equipment he helped pay for, that is explicitly shown in the episode, breaking that contract was the act of a corrupt government.

>He paid his taxes
Doubtful, if he was dependent on handouts. Most people who receive anything from the government are not net taxpayers.

Scarcity creates value.

Hey remember when the Ferengi were suppose to be a terrifying threat that not even Captain Picard with the Picard Maneuver couldn't beat them.

Neither does Star Trek.

She's a pretty lame character, no matter what your political opinion is. Ro is objectively the best female character in tng. Prove me wrong.

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He says "I pay my taxes" in the episode, he could be telling a lie, he could be a net positive or a net negative tax payer but the fact of the matter is that he paid his taxes and entered into a lease contract with the government that the government broke.

How so?

>I pay my taxes
Not if he gets gibs he doesn't. Common mistake among socialists and the mentally retarded, but I repeat myself.

value in scarcity is relative to other things of scarcity. if there's only one thing of "value" and it has no real purpose, it has no actual value.

so what, he is meant to pay into a system that gives him nothing in return? I don't understand your point here.

Based

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it has value as something that cannot be replicated, its like a bank note.

She's calling shitters like him a fake fan only interested in the most superficial aspects of Star Trek and his only reply is "WELL AKSHUALLY I JUST FAP TO YOUR CHARACTER". That's exactly what she meant.

No, he's meant to use his own tools to work and produce value, not try to justify being a fucking leech by paying back a small fraction of what he's been given to the person who gave it to him.
>b-b-but muh gubmint
That's what phaser rifles are for faggot.

In that cause why have a government at all?

*dabs on Marina Sirtis*

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Troi's a garbage character deserving only of lust and even the most hardline devout Trekkie will tell you so

if it's the only thing of scarcity, where does its value come from? literally anything you could trade it for can already be replicated, so why would you ever trade it for anything? it doesn't make sense as a currency that people willingly give away for things that can be replicated, as the only thing you can actually compare its value in scarcity to is itself.

PROBLEMATIC

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>I wonder who is behind this post.

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Who cares what a sex object thinks?

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Are the Ferengi unironically Israel?

people use it as a barter tool, like a bank note or a gold coin, its value is that there is a finite amount of it and people agree upon its value.

No Cardassia is Isreal, Ferengi are new york jews.

>Fan of Troi
Don't believe those exist

you haven't answered the question. how can it have an agreed upon value if the only thing it can accurately be valued against is itself, as nothing else has value in a universe with replicators?

In terms of value, giving away your latinum for anything except for other latinum is always a loss, so why would the Ferengi or anyone else who cares about value ever give away latinum?

good taste

Do you not understand how money works?
Say a single bar of Latinum is worth 10 tons of steel, this is, on the one side, is based upon the value placed upon the Latinum by the bank, government or guild that minted your bar, speculation and confidence affect its value.
The value of the steel can also change, based upon the demand, scarcity, ease of replication, value of energy and cost to transport.
If it helps think about it like this, the steal is valuable because its steal, Latinum is valuable because you can use it to buy steel.

literally who? some rando traitorous bitch who was in like 3 episodes?

Tell me, Counselor. If the Federation is so great, then why do you have borders? Why build a racist Neutral Zone to keep everybody out? Why are there no trans panfluid pedosexuals in Starfleet?

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>Why are there no trans panfluid pedosexuals in Starfleet?
But there are.

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Not to mention the utterly racist, isolationist prime directive

>Do you not understand how money works?
Do you not understand how (post) scarcity works? Why would a bar of latinum be worth 10 tons of steel if you can just replicate the steel and keep the latinum? Repeat this question for literally everything in the universe that isn't latinum, and you end with latinum = latinum. it doesn't matter what non-latinum object you trade for, if you're trading your finite latinum for anything infinitely replicatable you are losing infinite profit, which destroys the entire purpose of using it as currency, and given that the only societies that use latinum in the first place do so explicitly because they are aware of its interaction with replicator technology, none of it makes any sense at all.

>socialist
Post-scarcity. It's socialist only by the nature that removing scarcity essentially removes the concept of an economy.
The only resources to compete for are abstract resources (e.g. love, fame, positions, achievements).
Commies and socs are too dumb to see how that differs from reality.

You are forgetting that EARTH is post scarcity, that does not mean that earth has infinite resources, and it most certainly does not mean that the federation does not suffer under some scarcity, replication is meant to be inefficient and a major power hog, say you wanted to replicated that 10 tons of steel, what you do is you find a material that has the same mass as 10 tons of steel, you add an extra 20% on top of that, you pump a shitload of energy into it and then you loose that extra 20% you pumped in as heat and light.
Now all good capitalists know that there are three things, Resources, Goods and Services, goods and services are the real money makers, why sell 10 tons of steel for a single bar of Latinum when you can sell 1 ton of firearm for the same bar, someone would be willing to pay that bar because getting that firearm would cost, time, energy, knowledge of how to produce that firearm, the material you used to replicated what the firearm is made of, and the convenience of getting the end product now rather then in ten months when, through replication, you would have been able to produce it yourself.
So you are likely right, you won't see many people trading Latinum for a resource but you can bet you will see people trading it for a good or a service.

which is dumb because they constantly make mentions to trading and economy in every "post-scarcity" star trek series and the federation still has a vague "credits" currency system of some sort. all this despite the fact that they have all their material needs met by replicators and holodecks. the writers didn't even know how to write their own post-scarcity utopia.

>no trans panfluid pedosexuals
Did you forget who is now Star Trek canon?

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How do you get people to clean the robot that cleans the robot that cleans the floors in a post scarcity society?

Why not just make the robot be self-cleaning?

Come on user, its a socialist utopia, none of that non party approved innovation please.

The Left politicize EVERYTHING. Once they get ahold of something, it will be unenjoyable within three years.

Some objects can still be scarce in Post-scarcity, post-scarcity mostly applies to having all needs for survival met along with a majority of desires for goods and services.
There are some things that can still be scarce. A vase or statue may have historical interest and value and although you could replicate an atomically identical vase a thousand times, people will still attribute value to the original for the novelty of it.
Interaction with outside cultures/worlds can also create things that you might want and you'd want some method of interaction and exchange for them. A movie they have airing that you want to see for instance but they still charge for it because their culture isn't "enlightened" in the same manner. By having the government back certain amounts of funds and guarantee the value for the goods and services you can then use them as a medium of exchange.

>I don’t get how they can be huge fans of the show and my character
>and my character

HAHAHA. I've rewatched all 7 seasons 5 times now, and theres still 3 episodes I won't watch. All Troy/Roxane episodes.

so what they are saying is that star trek fans should be monarchists?

>EARTH is post scarcity, that does not mean that earth has infinite resources
that's literally what post-scarcity is, user.

>replication is meant to be inefficient and a major power hog,
there is literally not a single mention of replication being inefficient or resource intensive in-universe. and for good measure since replication is realistically infeasible due to basic fundamental principles of physics no matter how much technobabble you try to throw at it, so it has to be "magic" to work.

>Resources, Goods and Services
resources and goods are the same thing to a replicator. services are the only realistic thing left for something of intangible, non-material value. this is another area in which Star Trek is a bit unrealistic, as in such an advanced technological future computer automation would no doubt be in charge of virtually all construction and service sectors, and doctors for that matter e.g. the medical hologram. so now what you have left is prostitution, but again why would you give away your finite latinum when you already have an infinite selection of realistic, dynamic holodeck encounters to choose from?

all they had to do was say latinum was an actual resource used in some important function of warp travel or something, but they never did that either.

>hurr durr ur not allowed to like something because of your political party

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> and for good measure since replication is realistically infeasible due to basic fundamental principles of physics no matter how much technobabble you try to throw at it, so it has to be "magic" to work.

Maybe the way the replicator works in startrek is impossible, but something like a matter re-arranger certainly is.

Post Scarcity literally does not mean infinite resources, you need to look it up mate, and voyager had an episode about a race trying to use a replicator and finding they could not power it, there also was an episode later on where we found out that if you don't build a replicator right it blows the fuck up.
We also see in a lot of episodes that it requires a very advanced replicator programmed over weeks to create advanced components.

>change any matter into any other matter (except for magical ferengi jizz) at little to no cost
>no infinite resources
?????????

>at little to no cost
I had no idea you are a replicator technician user.

Star Trek isn't even post-scarcity. It's post-post-scarcity in which ALL goods and materials can be created in near-infinite abundance via replicator.

>They occupy just 10% of Nigean space...

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If False Profits is any indication, replicators are not only self-sustaining but somehow produce a surplus, as the Ferengi use theirs for several years to make countless frivolous items to convince the primitive local population they were deities.

Why do rightoids just not own up to their evilness? You don't care about other people, just say it.

but I do care about other people, my people. :3

Star Trek doesn't matter anymore. It died of an STD.

>I hate minorities
>I hate women
>I hate social programs
>I'm religious
>I'm pro-slavery
>I support the interests of big business
>I believe the moon landings are a hoax
>I believe climate science is a hoax
>I voted Trump

>I'm a Star Trek fan

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yep he's mad

You should always be willing to hear what the other side has to say, it is what separates a thinking man from a zealot, if a conservative listens to all the perspectives of star trek, actually takes it to heart and still disagrees what does that mean? Well to the socialist it is horrific, this conservative was shown the truth and turned away from it, he is worse then a sinner, this is because the socialist is a zealot.
In reality there are flaws to the ideology of star trek, it does not function effectively, that does not make star trek bad, it does not need to be correct, so long as it is fun to watch and wishes to present ideas for the audience to judge it is doing good in this world.
The zealot is angry when there are things he deems wrong in exsistance, the normal thinking man is not angry, he is thoughtful.

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And people dislike voyager.

>you're not allowed to judge my views and actions!
You sure love cultural relativism when it suits you and only you.

holy shit

best part is, this is actual dialogue

Star Trek is the commie fantasy of a pathologically adulterous degenerate. TNG is pretty fun though, and Troi is absurdly attractive.

>republican voter
>implying

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It is called STD for a good reason. It isn't Trek.

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Democrats don't exist in Star Trek either, in fact no party does. So what's she trying to say? People realized how gay that shit was in the future and left it behind with all the other trash.

of course you can judge my views and actions, the only thing I know is myself, what you think is not what I think, the only way we will know who is right is though debate and reason, you however want to vilify anyone who disagrees with you and then claim that you have a moral high ground, you don't.

I like the tailor Cardassian on DS9

That can't be real. What episode?

Based

Is she saying just because you are a Star Trek fan it doesn't mean you are a republican or you can't be a star trek fan if you are a republican?

you can't be a star trek fan if you are a republican is exactly what she is saying, her reasoning is tripe.

Repentence, I think.

>of course you can judge my views and actions
I'm glad you agree. You're a monster because of your thoughts and actions. I know you're delusional enough that you'll never realize how terrible you are, though.

She's saying Republicans can't enjoy the progressive utopian communist diverse setting of Star Trek because anything resembling progressivism causes conversatives to recoil as if they like vampires at the sight of the sun. She believes this.

Wasted quads and dubs

It's not even a communist society, it's post scarcity society

I don't hate you, I don't think you are evil, I think you have been exploited by the violent and malicious. I hope you do no harm, I hope that what little power your ideology has crawled back for itself fades and with it the danger you pose.
Live long, and if you want to prosper, don't be a zealot, all that will happen is your death at the hands of another zealot.

She probably thinks it is, that's what matters.

Of course, you think he's wrong.

These posts are so blessed by the Founders that they must be correct.

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Being pro slavery is very stupid because your slave class will end up consuming you in the long run.

Yeah, I just see people saying it's communist or some shit, when they don't have a problem with resources to the point of eliminating poverty and hunger even disease.

This has never happened unless people wanted it to happen you seething historylet.

I unironically think slavery was a mistake because it ended up freeing the blacks into European-descended society and irrevocably fucking it up. America is impossible to heal because the blacks and sympathy towards them have been there too long. It's a fucking shame. Should have left them in Africa to kill each other. That's what I'd tell every European power in the 17th and 18th centuries, trade and take from them, but don't take them out of Africa. They're cultural poison.

I used to get angry and hate people like this but now I just feel bad for them. Having to over analyze and look for things to be offended by in the media they consume, especially older media, must be so fucking tiresome. What an unnecessary burden to put on oneself.

Look Julian, im not saying WE get tanked up and kill the cardies, im just saying IM getting tanked up and going to kill the cardies.

Because id rather go back to that prison camp than Keiko.

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Check out the smooth brain on Brad.

Why do we still call them """liberals"""? There must be a better and more accurate term to use for modern party views.

holy fucking yikes

It seems cardassians are safer than Africans

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Just a reminder she still believes Michel Winner raped her during the filming of Death Wish 3.

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dilate

But you're the tranny in this situation?
Fucking retard.

Not only that, but xers criticism of that episode was completely unfounded due to an absolute misinterpretation of what was going on in it.

I like Dexter even though I don't like murderers.

dilate one more time!

She didn't even watch her own show

star trek is about a socialist/communist utopia

Who the fuck is that?

Yes but I haven't rooted for Starfleet since they were still a classically liberal peacekeeping and exploration armada in TOS.

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Fuck off newfag.

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welp i guess i'm finally downloading and watching VOY unless someone tells me DS9 is better

exploiters, experimenters
the latter being they have no idea how money works and try change for the sake of change, for feelings

The only reason you're upset is because your West African genes quiver in fear at the truth. Please, don't reproduce.

literally no idea who this guy is, and I've been on Yea Forums since 1992

I mean, you can try to try talk like you're a saint but your views and actions are the complete opposite.

Voyager is pure shit and you're insane to think it's worth watching because of a single "muh redpilled" scene.

DS9 on the other hand is pure kino.

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The federation is a military run union with a clear class system. Socialism? Kinda. Communism? Absolutely not. The Romulans and Klingons were the USSR

You know I bet Bev is a Republican

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>Communism? Absolutely not.
They absolutely are a (idealized) form of communist state. It's all prettied up with magic-tech so you don't literally have peasants in the fields and workers in the factories but Marx would definately recognize it.

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>DS9 on the other hand is pure kino.
isn't that the one about the conservative authoritarian dominion getting BTFO by the gay space socialist Federation?

Star Trek is a post scarcity society where they have infinite resources, that is why there is no hunger, poverty or disease. You can just create almost anything you want with a replicator (think there are some things you can't replicate like torpedo, this is mentioned in voyager). It's not communism either because people can own their own land, such as picard's family owning a vineyard.

Stop derailing the thread with your nonsense.

i'm not the one posting pictures of random literal who guys and screeching autistically when nobody knows who they are.

Fuck off newfag.

Yeah, I'm sure you support universal healthcare and civil rights.

>If I pretend to be a faggot on Yea Forums, I'll trick some people to do what I like!

>anime
>doesnt know what communism is
+1 you

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I am British so yes I support Universal healthcare and I support citizen rights.
When did I say I was a saint? I just said I wish you no ill will, I know you don't feel the same for me but I genuinely don't want people to suffer pointlessly, and I know that death only begets death, so why would I wish for civil war?
Yes I think he is wrong, my life has convinced me he is wrong, his only argument against me was "YOU ARE A MONSTER!"
its not convincing.

>anime
where do you think you are?

I've been here since 2001 you dumb phoneposter.

There might be situations where other means than replicator gives easier access to 10 tons of steel. Steel rich planets or asteroids. Less energy and work effort spent on mining and refining iron ore than on dumping about 10 tons of something into replicator and turning it into steel. This is also where freighters come into picture. One might replicate 10 tons of steel for whatever reason, but 10 tons of steel is ridiculously small amount when it comes to steel, when it comes to actually major amounts of steel, it might be easier to get it in bulk from elsewhere if it isn't available locally. Federation has credit system for internal trade. Also latinum isn't only unobtainium in Star Trek that can't be replicated. It just the one that has almost no other uses than being used as currency.

Someone might want that 10 tons of steel to make something other than firearms.

It might require a lot of energy.

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>british
>still has a monarchy
>hates his own culture
>hates his own people
>acts morally superior while maintaining a fake humbleness
I miss when the Brits had balls and I'm fucking Irish.

Stop derailing the thread with your trolling.

Hey buddy. is two boards down.

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Marx probably would have disliked the lack of cultural genocide. Even on Earth the former nations retain their cultural flavor. I think it's why conservatives like it. It's not the future progressives are currently fighting for devoid of cultural identity

>Federation doesn't conduct cultural genocide
They're a globalist's wet dream.

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What kind of sentence is that?

>frenchman speaks with a strong english accent
>the only accents are english, american, russian and somehow irish
>that's it
>Even on Earth the former nations retain their cultural flavor

>literally anything you could trade it for can already be replicated
"Can theoretically already be replicated" but practically no standard issue replicator is going to let you replicate a bomb or a weapon and you also have issues when you want to obtain things like spaceships that have to be build. Also the energy used to operate replicators (especially industrial ones) is not insignificant and that power generation relies on material that cannot be replicated, ie scarce.

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I know, that's where I go to discuss weeb cartoons but I want to discuss Star Trek so I'm here. There's no immigration control that says I have to leave my memes at the border.

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>frenchman speaks with english accent
This is because the British reconquered their rightful lands in France at some point in Star Trek history.

>Marx probably would have disliked the lack of cultural genocide. Even on Earth the former nations retain their cultural flavor.
They're very tolerant in that way, members can join and retain their cultural sovereignty.
Sure within Starfleet it may be the leftist wet dream, but there's more to the federation than the military.

Let's face it; what the Federation needs is Daenerys Targeryen as a Starship Captain to put some starch into a few backsides.

She might convince the Hulkans to let loose of that dilithium right quick, pacifism or no pacifism. Bend the knee and all that.

There are several types of replicator, the food replicators handle basic things but anything complex and they use engineering ones.

Also natural produce was highly valued in all Trek series, the crews all had stashes of real alcohols and traditional arts&crafts. The bartenders all happily smuggled contraband.

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>still has a monarchy
Yes, and?
>hates his own culture
false
>hates his own people
false
>acts morally superior while maintaining a fake humbleness
I am expressing my honest feelings mick, I don't hate, its pointless.
>I'm fucking Irish.
How meaningful, I have Irish blood do I win yet?
What is your contention with me? The fact that I hold value in both left and right wing ideas? The fact that I hate zealots?

>rightful lands
Not since George III gave up his claim silly islandnigger

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>German slaves didn't consume their Roman masters
>Turkish slave-soldiers didn't consume their Egyptian Arab masters
And you call others a historylet.

>put some starch into a few backsides
Is this a euphamism for anal sex?

They're "progressives", shorten it to prog and you have a good term.

>german slaves didnt consome their roman masters
>turkish slave solders didnt consome their arab master
They literally didn't you fantasist mong.

She's got some nice milkers

>always colored hair
Seriously, what the fuck is going on?

wil wheaton is a pussy ass s.oyboy

>Andorian

Based and pink-skinpilled

I know who/what he is, that doesn't answer my question.

???
Germans were mostly slaves in Rome until they destroyed it.

The Mamluks were literally Turkish slaves who took over Egypt.

Don't keep acting retarded just because you're wrong, slavery is a terrible idea and we'd be better off if we'd left niggers to rot in Africa and just picked our own cotton.

>i don't hate
>says mick
Go fuck a pig or whatever it is you people do

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Nah man Marxist Communism was about the worker class owning the means of production. So basically Star Trek would be communist if the "workers" owned and controlled the shipyards and replicators and their distribution, which they absolutely do not. They are controlled by a loosely federated organization (Federation) of planets each with their own systems of government.

Marxism is logically inconsistent regarding use value and exchange value, which Marx considered contradictory (they are not, they are complimentary) and for that reason it doesn't hold up well in fiction that is halfway engaging or interesting

poor fella never lived up to his potential

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Not him but Germania was never conquered by Rome, it wasn't worth the effort, so Germanic populations within the Empire's borders prior to the late 4th century were pretty small. Even if you subscribe to the now largely defunct "barbarian invasion" hypothesis for why the Western Roman Empire collapsed, this was caused by incursions by Gothic, Aryan and various other ethnic groups from outside the empire, not an uprising by Rome's servile population, which wasn't even overwhelmingly Germanic to begin with.

The Mamlukes weren't actually slaves, at least serving ones weren't. They were bought from slave markets as young boys from Turkic or Aryan nomad populations around the Black Sea and were technically considered part of the servile class through their training but upon completion were given their liberty, albeit expected to continue serving their former own who had paid for their education.

Even slave-soldiers who remained "enslaved" during their entire lives were servile in name only, the Ottoman Janissaries were socially superior to all but the nobility even as "slaves" to the Sultan and only became more and more powerful as time went on.

>Allegedly the character of Data (Brent Spiner) was inspired by many sources. Roddenberry is said to have felt that Spiner's initial portrayal of the character was too human-like, leaving many viewers confused as to Data's exact nature. One of the suggestions put forward by the writing staff would be for Data to make a short "bleep bloop" noise whenever he confirmed an action or produced a computation. Spiner, however, tended to notably vocalize the sound effect much to the annoyance of other cast members. In addition he would make whirring sound effects when moving or just before responding to a question. Eventually it was decided that limiting Data's vocabulary by avoiding the use of contractions was the best way forward. Spiner's original interpretation of the character would become the basis of his performance as the character Lore.

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Rome wasn't destroyed by German slaves you retard.
Calling the Mamluks slaves shows that you don't really know what a slave is.

>The federation is a military run union with a clear class system.
The military is entirely beholden to the civilian Federation council. This isn't true at all. Star Trek is about the military, so obviously you're not going to see much of the rest of the government but it's very much confirmed as a democracy through reference. It is certainly not an authoritarian state.

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She's British isn't she? Stay the fuck out of our politics, tea-sipping limey

Rome wasn't destroyed by the Persians either, user. It was a number of contributing factors over a period of hundreds of years. The steep cost in blood of the Severan wars, hell, all of the civil wars -- Constantine's wars in particular, certainly severely weakened the fighting strength of the Roman army. You could bring up Commodus' or Caracalla's citizenship reforms, lots and lots of things. Endless amounts, really.

>Spiner, however, tended to notably vocalize the sound effect much to the annoyance of other cast members. In addition he would make whirring sound effects when moving or just before responding to a question.
Data's fucking based lmao

Why are you going off on a random tangent you imbecile?

When is she going to admit that her role was to squeeze her titties into a skin tight outfit to show off her cleavage?

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Spiner put a lot of work into that role. Maybe it's just my imagination but he might have been the hardest working guy in front of the camera, at least as much as Stewart.

Frakes had it easy. Just be cool all the time.

Don't bully the history students user they never get a chance to use there useless knowledge.

I misread your post. That's my bad. But why are you defending the viability of slavery on a Mongolian basket weaving forum in a Star Trek thread, anyway?

Brent was absolutely out to upstage everyone.

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I like history, I don't like mongs who pretend they know more than they do.
I'm not defending slavery, but the way you dismissed it was wrong.

>useless knowledge

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Patrician choice user. I have to go with Pulaski though... Some say she's a McCoy clone, but I think she did her own thing, and did it very well. She brought a straightforward yet intellectual pragmatism to the proceedings, a fiery contrast to the predominantly placid personalities of the others, and was just generally well acted.

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Because he was the only decent actor.

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>that face
>that name

No, she may have been born there, but she's not British.

I'd be careful I suspect that's actually Lore signing autographs.

A BLOO BLOO AN ACTOR SAID SOMETHING I DON'T AGREE WITH

Oh no. . . hasbeen actress says something to appeal to extremists of a politically hostile climate in order to achieve some sort or relevancy. I bet her career is gonna take off now.

I support those things and im seen as far right. i havent changed my beliefs since bush was in (i was an anti bush and leftist) and now they call anti bush leftists nazis

Star Trek is inherently a left wing fantasy of an altruistic one government utopia. I would think most Republicans would be against its ideology.

Not that the Dems are actaully any better these days. They're working for Wall Street as much as Republicans are. Not to mention leftist think tanks run by the 1% just like the conservative ones.

Though I am more of a right wing guy and I still love Star Trek. Then again, I gave up on the Republicans long ago.

It's really is one of the better treks user, don't listen to the deep sleep niners.

DS9 has some very clever dialogue here and there, and some great Cardassian characters, but overall it's a fucking snoozefest.

based Ducat posters

Trek is the good future we could have if we look past our petty differences.

Robocop is the future we are more likely going to have

I can see her defending old Trek fans pointing out how insane it is for new Trek supporters to call old Trek fans alt-right Nazis. Trek fans have been liberal as fuck, but the extreme leftie liberals running CBS today feel like they need to label the old liberal Trek fans as the big bad right wing boogeyman when in reality they just think Trek is a mess. It is.

As bad as JJ Trek was, the new CBS shit is somehow worse.

CBS is sadly taking the cliche Hollywood play these days of labeling any critic of your work some kind of Trump loving lunatic.

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Damn. A cute girl how dresses as Data and is happy to meet Bent Spiner and have him sign.. her.. Funko.. Po..
aaaaand dropped.

>STD is worse than JJ
No, they are BOTH shit and not star trek. One is not better than the other, shit is shit.

>date a Greek girl in college
>afterwards think she looked like Troi, but was probably just me being crazy
>run into her years later
>she says how she always wanted to cosplay as Troi and think she would look good in the role
mfw

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Huh. I guess my expectations of movie Treks usually being worse than tv Treks maybe tinted my opinion there.

What's the criteria for being a "TREKKIE" theses days? What standards do they use? I mean I watch an episode of TNG, DS9 or VOY at least once a day because I enjoy spending time with the characters. I don't buy a whole lot of merch because there's nothing new to collect and the old stuff is pricy on ebay. I've never been to any type of Con because money. I'm somewhat conservative, but still a little liberal on some issues.

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>confirmed as a democracy

Bullshit. In fifty years of Star Trek, there has never been an election. Not one. None of the characters ever talked about voting, political parties, issues, etc, etc. Fans just assume it's a democracy.

To be allowed in the star trek community, you have to be excited about the new canon and you have to have acceptable political views. Liking the old stuff more than the new stuff is not acceptable either.

lol

>Trek is the good future we could have if we respect eachother's objectively consequential differences and don't allow the soft genocide of white people
FTFY

>Star Trek is inherently a left wing fantasy

It's not the 1960s anymore. Gene Roddenberry was a liberal. I can tolerate liberals. Unfortunately liberalism is dead. It was murdered by totalitarian SJWs. Liberals created their own destroyers. Today's feminists would destroy Roddenberry as a “sexist pig” for making male entertainment and banging all of his hot actresses.

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post more Troi.

no

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Well, than I guess I'm not a nu-Trekkie than.

Who pays you top post on popular social media sites?

>I enjoy spending time with the characters
Get some friends nerd, Jesus Christ.

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This post was pozzed by STD.

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You're telling me you watch the clip show at the end of season 2 every time?

I dunno, if you have conservative values are those really represented by the republican party? They don't do anything besides get tax cuts for corporations and make a show about banning abortion and sticking it to 'the gays'.

4 and a half hours later, I still feel compelled to let you know that you're a moron. I hope you return to see this.

I still love Star Trek, but only up to a certain point in time. Basically after Enterprise I stop caring. And even then, Enterprise was shit for half of its run, but I still consider it "real" Trek.

The JJ movies I like as action flicks that look pretty and have pretty actors in them.

I haven't bothered with anything else.

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Which is exactly why you shouldn't tolerate liberals. The trend never pauses to reflect or settle into a sweet spot, it just spirals ever onward into oblivion.

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I've spent so much of my life wanting to eat Troi's ass, or smell her feet. That I'll never get to has seriously ruined my life.

It's a good thing I watch DS9 instead of normie-ass boring-ass TNG because I have perfect CHAD taste.

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>implying Star Trek, a post-scarcity setting where anyone who feels like it can destroy planets, could exist without intense eugenics to rid entire populations of aggression
if you think about it, star trek has to be a dystopia. they basically pulled nick bostrom's black ball out of the urn, there's no way they wouldn't destroy themselves instantly if not for the kind of insane shit he hypothesizes for future dystopias if we find one

>Make a wish.

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>It isn't Trek.

That is legally true. When Paramount and CBS split into different corporations, CBS got a new alternative Star Trek license that is different from the real Star Trek one. Midnight's Edge warned us. But we didn't listen. Why didn't we listen?

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>black alert

I can't believe CBS let Sam Raimi direct an episode of STD.

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>show where mostly human looking "aliens" conform to racial stereotypes
>"Why do wrongthinkers like it?!"

Trek happened because of an eugenics war and subsequent thermonuclear holocaust. Things are shaping up well so far.

>I cannot empathise or see another group as anything other then evil.
Isn't this how Yea Forums views libtards? You guys and your rants on cultural (((marxists))) aren't very empathetic.

>I would think most Republicans would be against its ideology.
Shit, republicans were furious about the first inter-racial kiss which was on ST. If Yea Forums was around back then Yea Forums would have had a stroke.

>Robocop is the future we are more likely going to have

I wish. Back in the 80's, fictional evil corporations were run by Ronny Cox. In real life 2020, they are run by SJWs. Evil has never been more nauseating.

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Wrong. If that episode aired today, SJWs would screech about a white man kissing a black woman against her will. And 'pound me too' would crucify Roddenberry for fucking Nichols behind his wife's back in real life.

Star Trek promotes fucking luxury communism, why do republicans like it

It's not communism, it's post scarcity.
They still have a future economy for luxuries and you don't get forced to work.

Imagine a 2000AD future, except the Judges are libshits.

of course he did. Can;t you read. The death rate per year was way too low

>Midnight's Edge warned us. But we didn't listen. Why didn't we listen?
To be fair what could have done to stop them? Even after failing hard they are still pushing like there's no tomorrow.

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>Wrong. If that episode aired today, SJWs would screech about a white man kissing a black woman against her will.
Oh yeah nobody on Yea Forums would have a problem with it, it would be the SJWs! You niggers are so retarded, who do you think you're fooling?

Has this ever been confirmed to be true?

>Big ginger tits
proof?

It is unambiguously false shit made up by youtube autists

definitely not wrong, I don't know a single star trek fan who is a republican

Literally every single series was consistent in pro-choice narratives (personal freedom), diversity of culture, and generally socialist economic systems. Even the fucking original was like that.

No.

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Star Fleet wouldn't even exist as it does under a republican-like governing body, a purely EXPLORATORY branch of the military? Lmao, they don't even want to fund NASA

The overton window moved so far to the left that the Federation is now considered right wing. Heavily armed borders, the Neutral Zone, militarized Starfleet, the Prime Directive, high capacity assault phasers, etc, etc.

If SJWs were in Star Trek, one judge on Betazed would declare open borders for the Federation and let the Borg invade.

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Nazis had healthcare and free education fuckwit.

The CBS shill is immunized against all dangers. One may call her a shill, marketing stooge, PR flunkie, it all runs off her like water off a raincoat. But mention “25%” and you will be astonished at how she recoils. How injured she is, how suddenly shrinks back. “I’ve been found out.”

>am republican
>like tng
Sorry sweet cheeks don't know what to tell you lol

Finally we can get Star Trek back to its right-wing theocratic neonazi roots.

This is what happens when neckbeards invade nerd culture. One of the worst aspects of the current collapse of society comes from the decay of pop culture after retards and nutjobs took over what used to be nerd hobbies. Everyone talks about how the normies coopted nerd culture and made shit like Big Bang Theory, but no one seems to mention how neo-nazis took over and turned everything sci-fi and fantasy to fucking garbage and toxic smooth-brain politics.

There are republican fans but they're the types who jump their bird brains through a million hoops to rationalize away that their beliefs would be poison in the Star Trek universe

they gravitate towards DS9 a lot

Midnight's Edge shill is literally retarded

C'mon chief, we all know you don't really want to kill them.

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>Ro is objectively the best female character in tng
Patently false. Lwaxana is the best female character in all Treks she appears in.
Lwaxana episodes are second only to Vic Fontaine episodes.

Federation a shit

youtube.com/watch?v=xy5jAixHhSA

Son, I started watching Star Trek before you were even born. “Nazi” this. “Nazi” that. Back in my day being a nazi use to mean something. To be called a nazi, you had to annex the Sudetenland or drive tanks through Paris. Now saying borders exist and there are two genders gets you labelled a "Nazi". Kids today. No standards whatsoever.

"There are fifty genders, cis scum. How many genders are there?"

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Painful larp to watch

>Has this ever been confirmed to be true?
No, it's just that CBS legally can't use aspects of the series that Paramount developed and owns the IP to. To use a video game analogy: it's sort of like how Nintendo can't just throw Kremlings in a new Donkey Kong platformer without cutting a deal with Rare.

She's right and the majority of people replying to this post have indeed not watched the show.

No. In fact, it was discredited.

No.

>space ghosts

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>No, it's just that CBS legally can't use aspects of the series that Paramount developed and owns the IP to

The "IP" is Star Trek. You just directly contradicted yourself in the same sentence. You are the worst debater in the world.

>it's sort of like how Nintendo can't just throw Kremlings in a new Donkey Kong platformer

Absolutely wrong. Those are two different properties. Let me fix your stupid analogy. 'It's like how Nintendo can't just throw Donkey Kong in a new Donkey Kong platformer.' There.

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But you're the one who's wrong lol. Let me use a more direct example: CBS can't use Ferengis, but they can use Klingons, just not Klingons with the same makeup as TNG/DS9.

It's referenced several times that replicator sequenced food and drink doesn't taste like the real thing. It's a bit analogous to making spaghetti bolognaise using store bought pasta and sauce as opposed to making the pasta and sauce from scratch.

I think the canon explanation was that replicators can't handle the random complexity of the chemical reactions that take place when making the food from scratch.

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DS9. Towards the end, it actually gets a little darker than normal Trek. Granted, they were ripping off Babylon 5, but it’s still good.

Oh yeah. What was considered liberal and progressive then would be considered at most middle of the road now. Leftist extremists have taken over liberalism in America. Remember when Next Gen in the 90s had an episode about transgender aliens and no one was up in arms?

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...or maybe we should find moderate liberals and moderate conservatives to support instead of how the media who keeps focusing on two extremes full of lunatics trying to push far out agendas?

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They retconned it later by saying it was purely psychological same as "biological" food in today's age.

I've been a Trek fan for ages and even I have never been able to fully follow the whole CBS / Paramount / Viacom clusterfuck. Bajor and Cardassia negotiations are clearer to me than that shit.

lmao at America's idea of what "leftist extremists" is

Jews and leftists have stolen star trek from white men. The message is clear. Whites have to give up everything they built, everything they love, everything they’ve fought for. Women, nonwhites, homos and trannies rule now. They will replace us. The want to annihilate white men.

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Cringe larp

Are you retarded? Republicans are throwing more money at NASA than ever before. Freaking Pence has made NASA his pet project.

nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-administrator-statement-on-return-to-moon-in-next-five-years

But this goes against your programming.

Honk. Honk.

Don’t believe me? Look up the kalergi plan or UN Replacement Migration

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When you're my age you don't make new friends, kiddo.

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True. Haven't formed a new friendship in 10 years time.

The river will provide you some nice digits.

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NASA is getting more funding in spite of the Trump administration, not because of it.
>Congress provided $21.5 billion to NASA in fiscal year 2019. That's a 3.5% increase from the previous year and 8% above that proposed by the White House.
>NASA's Education Division—originally zeroed out in the President's request—instead got a boost to $110 million
>Now that NASA has its funding for 2019, our eyes turn toward 2020. The White House is likely to release its formal President's Budget Request in March, at which point the whole process begins anew. Given the political animosity between the House of Representatives and the White House, the growing deficit, and the lack of a broad spending agreement in the Congress, we may look back and consider 2019 as a local maxima of budgetary support for the space program.

planetary.org/blogs/casey-dreier/2019/0215-fy2019-nasa-gets-its-best-budget-in-decades.html

You'd better check your programming, drone.

is it weird that I find her more attractive in character with the alien makeup than just her as a normal human?

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Potato-nigger.

They also wanted to slash funding for literally every non moon related project they have

aka the actual useful things NASA is doing

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I know. Compared to some country where you have nutbags tossing molatovs in the streets to take down a government or have some left wing dictator in charge, it's nothing. But America isn't some third world shithole run by communists.

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>America isn't a Third World shithole run by Communists

This. Its a Third World shithole ran by lobbyists.

Both Star Wars have been brought into the mainstream through inactivity as "nerdy" things became cool in the past decade. As a result, they've been made to appeal to the mainstream which has alienated people that truly actually liked the franchises.

>both star wars and star trek**

They are both gigantic franchises that have been widely popular and successful for decades

They were never your sekret club

She's not even the best female bajoran member that was a starfleet officer.

>CBS can't use Ferengis, but they can use Klingons, just not Klingons with the same makeup as TNG/DS9

That's why STD is so bad. Because it is illegal for them to be real Star Trek. Why are you defending that shit show?

DS9 is a bit slow in the first 2 seasons, starts getting really good in Season 4 and maintains a high quality all the way to the end (give or take the occasional stupid episode and some somewhat poor character development of a major character at the end).

Wide stance.

>Wall Street is run by SJW's.
okay user.

True.

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