So how the fuck did he get out of the pantry

Kubrick (and anyone involved in the production, honestly) would've recognised this plot hole and known most audience members wouldn't have noticed and that minor logical errors like this don't actually matter.

>danny gets bruises
Jack unironically did that to him while drunk, and forgot he did it

>minor plot holes
>minor

>while drunk
guess what, there is zero alcohol in the hotel. they emptied the whole building, the bar, the kitchen, everything, off every little bit of alcohol.

that's why it's such a big thing that the ghost bartender appears and offers jack alcohol.

It's not a logical error. It's a supernatural horror film about telepathy and an hotel full of evil ghosts and spirits.

Makes no sense at all. If I take the ghosts at face value, then they're legitimate supernatural beings which can manifest in the physical, so there's no plot home to begin with. If I'm paying the film enough reverence to consider that they might be a figment of Jack's madness, then there is a plot hole and I'm likely to notice it.

I'm not sure who the intended viewer is that has the insight to imagine the ghosts might not be real, but doesn't mind them interacting with the physical world even if they aren't.

It concerns the character's ability to move between two rooms. That's minor.

>Ghosts are actually real
true, they're all around us like flies but we can't see them unless we eat handfulls of benadryl or smoke datura.

the ability for the main character to suddenly not be locked in a pantry that was preventing him from killing his wife and son*

Given that this is the reveal for the ghosts being real as Kubrick has stated, could someone explain what story this is meant to tell? I'm a pleb in this regard and I didn't study literature beyond high school. The logical story to me is the one of Jack descending into madness and the seemingly supernatural occurrences being revealed to be a manifestation of his psyche. The idea of a homicidal hotel driving its inhabitants to kill is intriguing enough, I get that much, but it's the shape the plot takes after that I don't really relate to.

I heard the theory was that Danny let him out

>ambiguous
>the kid was Skyping with a nigger telepathically

In addition, I think that the ghosts are merely part of our society as we've now been indoctrinated as to certain things being real after they've been shown to be imaginary. I think that it would most likely be a psychological depiction of the society we live in, what if we could actually live out our desires if we simply told the truth? The idea of them as ghosts, perhaps the real "ghosts" we've seen in the films or the creatures that have appeared in our nightmares that are really just manifestations of that society which means that the stories surrounding these things is not meant to represent true events. The first thing, or if you prefer the second most obvious, is how we've dealt with our true nature (otherwise known as the spirit/darkness problem).

jack secreted some booze in because """recovering""" alcoholics CANNOT be trusted

what I dont understand, is how by the film's end, suddenly the hotel or "ghosts" are finally manifesting themselves. Suddenly wendy can see the bear and the man, the old caretaker/butler, and the elevator full of blood. Then the skeletons and cobwebs in the foyer

why did they wait so long to scare her away? why not help jack before?

think of the movie in terms of symbolism and themes. its centered around violence, abuse, and exploitation.

The boy and his shining are triggering the spirits of the hotel, and it gets worse over time. Just like the hotels influence on jack gets worse.

He never did

but the cook had been there for years

Danny turned the knob with his psychic powers and led his father to his demise

thats stupid

this

why is she standing there now?

I just dont get how there ever wasn't anyone around (except for one zombie that isnt a zombie.) and how the rest of the town was never seen because they all had no life.

Why was wendy's life being saved if this was real?

And why is wendy's car being stuck in the snow, is there ANY reason for that not going off when no one can get out? Is it because of all the other vehicles coming out of the wood and driving through the woods? Was this supposed to be this story of wendy in her wheelchair getting trapped and being helped by jack? Is it because the hotel is the one that they went to after the earthquake (as wendy tells them after the first time?)

I dont see a point. I dont understand how anything could happen to wendy. I believe she has some kind of connection to the hotel.

Yeah but his shining is very weak, they even say it in the movie. Even jack has a very small shining, it's hereditary. That's why he's vulnerable to the hotel. But the boys shining is extremely strong. It's all in the movie, but the book explains it more

what wheelchair?
what town?

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the nigger had shit under control, it might also depend on jack being a prime victim for ghosts

>this thread

Christ it's like none of you have read the book at all. He got out because Grady let him out. By that point, Danny's Shining had allowed the ghosts to become powerful enough to do things like open doors, materialize alcohol out of nowhere, etc. Kubrick's film is great, but I swear people read way too much into a bunch of dumb shit in his version. Just read the book...it's all there.

The ghosts opened the door for him. Why is that so hard to understand?

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but kubrick hated the book, I thought he didnt want to take any of King's writing

It's the same ducking story, there's not much in the movie that's not from the book. Just the ending is different

>Kubrick hated the book
>better make a film adaptation of the book but change a bunch of dumb shit so autistic faggots can sit around going "but what did he REALLY mean by that symbolism"

This. The original story and the Kubrick version are overtly supernatural. “He was just crazy and hallucinating everything” fan theories are trash tier.

Kubrick made some good movies but he had to have been such an insufferable person to work with. Definitely one of the least personally likable directors of all time.

whats the ending in the book? he kills wendy and danny?

Actually the book has an action movie style ending where the whole hotel blows up.

How did that one theory from "Room 237" go? The one about Jack and the hotel representing America's violent past with Native Americans and slavery and shit like that? I thought it was pretty interesting and my friend rolled his eyes at me when I brought he it up. He thought I didn't notice, but I did :(

Oh and unlike the movie Halloran, Danny and Wendy all survive.

in the book the reason the hotel has a caretaker is that it has a very old boiler in the cellar which's pressure has to be manually lowered every few hours or else it blows up. it ends with jack/the hotel being so busy chasing danny that he forgets and the hotel blows up. also the cook survives. he also plays an important role in doctor sleep, so i'm thrilled to see how that literally who director plans to deal with that

>youtube.com/watch?v=h67AHvHMtxY

this is highly related, what the hell

actually reading is gay

Always thought Kubrick directing the moon landing was a stupid theory. The Apollo 11 footage that people saw was so blurry that it certainly didn’t need a big name director to pull off.

This is our future, everyone. Based zoomers.

thematically they are extremely different

Read the book, you pleb.

Yes, and that's pretty impressive. But the plot is almost identical, he just left out a lot of stuff and implemented some minor things like the elevator to completely shift the focus

white man's burder, lloyd.

admittedly i haven’t read the book in a really long time, but from what i remember the haunting is much more real in that where it’s totally ambiguous in the movie. i remember thinking some of it was kind of dumb like i think kubricks take was better. and im a stephen king apologist

everything good about the shining comes from kubrick
>turned generic creaky and noisy hotel into a eerily silent labyrinth of corridors
>turned lame bush lions sneaking up on characters into a huge maze, visually communicating the madness
>turned a generic possession story about a decent man turning into a murderer into an interesting meditation on the cycles of abuse, tying it into themes about the genocide of native americans
>turned a normal ghost adult talking to danny into a imaginary friend which takes the form of creepy finger movements
>turned a silly crochet into a huge axe
>turned unnecessary and drawn out side-stories into unsettling and unexplained imagery, like the bear performing fellatio
not to mention that steven king's novel has mediocre prose at best while kubrick's movie is at the top of it's medium.

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Same. I really hated the hedge animals and the living firehoses. Exactly the shit that King loved most and cramped into his 1997 6h movie. What I liked was the thing on the playground, but that wasn't adapted in either movie

Rebecca Ferguson is cute! CUTE!

Anyway, it was interesting when an older guy told me he'd been having nightmares over the previous couple of years about the old room where he'd been with his parents. And of course when one of his co-workers at Sesame Street asked his parents to come forward, he showed up, and he started talking about his childhood nightmare. It reminded me so much of The Haunted House, just with ghosts and all.

Now to my friend. As a little kid, he's obsessed with this room, too. He says his father, a big fan, saw it at a friend's birthday party and wanted to play games and stay in it. One day, there was some kind of fire downstairs, and he went up to it and saw "Ghost Town" with a giant spider at top and "The World's Finest" hanging off it. Then he found a bunch of old things in there that he thinks were his mom's things, and that's when he began to dream.

Yeah, Jack plays the character as unhinged from the start but there’s still clearly a sinister supernatural force at work in the hotel in Kubrick’s version. Also, how do you explain away Danny’s telepathy?

It was kind of forced but I mean the shining is demonstrably about violent history coming back to haunt you so like I don’t think it’s that far off

you're very bored, aren't you?

Nice trips but what the hell are you talking about? The real Stanley Hotel in Colorado?

Does something about the film's visual design suggest that Kubrick’s intention was to make the supernatural seem as real as possible?

Kubrick was inspired by a painting by Jean-Paul Sartre about an unconscious assassin who appears to his victims and makes them into instruments of revenge. There is at least some of that in this episode’but I think the show has gone out of its way to avoid making his supernatural being quite as bad as you and I are thinking’even with its allusions to his later movie role.

>tying it into themes about the genocide of native americans

bruh shut the fuck up

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>MFW I LITERALLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THE SHINING FROM THE SIMPSONS FIRST

PLEB N PROUD ALSO I WAS 8

Because without the extra details given by the book, that's a mundane explanation. The theme of madness is far more interesting and relatable based on the story the film gives you.

Kubrick smartly omitted the hedge maze animals but I’ve always hated “he was just crazy and hallucinated everything” fan theories. I don’t think they ever actually improve the films.

Well yeah. The Simpsons had a shitload of movie references I didn’t get until later. Us 90s kids were basically getting free classes from Harvard educated writers via The Simpsons.

Theories that character are just nuts are usually really lame, but I think the idea that more supernatural activity than is explicitly stated is triggered by danny is mildly interesting in this specific case I think, because it’s a story about abusive fatherhood on some level. Anyway I do think there were ghosts in the overlook, but I think the more important takeaway is that trauma/violence can literally come back to haunt you

But there are all kinds of crazy fan theories as to what happened with the maze. Maybe it was a trick of the light. Maybe they really did have it on. I would be very interested in seeing these theories. I have been searching for more information and have been asking questions, including many with me on the phone. I have been wondering why the light came so quickly. Is it because they used a different type of lighting technology perhaps a new color? I also wanted to learn what it was about the film that drew me in. Was it “just an interesting story and “that is“ it or will we actually get some answers? I found the answers when I came to re-check my memories with another editor I was very lucky to get my old memories of this film and the maze. I went into maze after hearing about the interviews of John and John and Bob and Gene.

Abusive parents are an absolute staple of King’s 70s and 80s work.

Literally this

You're full of fucking shit and you know it

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>the woman in the bathtub
KUBRICK IS SUCH A MOTHERFUCKER

NIGHTMARE FUEL FOR YEARS

Kek

That one was from the book

every stephen king book is in some way about stephen king and therefore are about abuse and alcoholism and being a self-hating writer

In the Dr. Sleep trailer, Danny looks in the mirror and sees "REDRUM" but wouldn't that imply that "MURDER" was written on the wall? I'm pretty sure it was the opposite in the Kubrick film

THIS IS WHERE FILM MURDERS THE BOOK

KUBRICKS VISUALIZATION IS WHAT MAKES THE NIGHTMARE, ON THE PAGE ITS NOTHING NEARLY AS POTENT

None of the visualizations in S.King books ever seemed that spoopy; for me it was always the parts about the voices coming from the drain

Yep. Plus all of his bullies are complete psychopaths that are basically serial killers in the making.

Reminder that Dick Holloran (nigger that could also Shine) saved Mike's dad in IT.

>DANNY ISN'T HERE MRS. TORRANCE

How do you explain all the references to injuns in the dialog?

>white man’s burden
it’s literally a movie about how violence doesn’t permeates its environment. you know, almost the way that historical genocide has far reaching ramifications or something

It's a rocque mallet, not croquet.

>Me and the ghouls were wondering how the plan is coming along
Still fucking gets me

i don’t know why people find it so hard to believe when the movie shows the ghost doing physical things like the woman in the bathtub and the elevator

was the black guy actually confirmed dead? like they could easily say he survived the attack

could you refresh my memory?

>Survive an axe to the chest and bleeding out in the hotel with the door open to the blizzard outside.

Fucking fag

The nigger cook canonically btfo pennywise. I think a couple ghosts are fine.

N-WORD COOKS ARE A TOUGH BREED

HIS PAD WAS HILARIOUSLY BLAXPLOITATION CLICHE

KUBRICK SO RAYCIS!

He also comes back from the dead (by possessing someone) in the book, so probably that.

Plus he only worked there during the “on” season when the ghosts are mostly dormant.

shut up,cuck.

The Shining is a huge flag for pleb redditors. It’s not scary at all, incredibly slow paced and boring as fuck. People only latch onto it because of Kubrick so they think that if they include it in their “favorite movies list” that it will lead some kind of credence to their opinion. The truth is that “The Shining” is peak söylent horror.

/thread

>It’s not scary at all, incredibly slow paced and boring as fuck.... People only latch onto it because it's Kubrick
I'm so close to getting a bingo on my "redditor's analysis on a film:Buzzword Edition" card

Dolores Claiborne is the best King adaptation.

I hope this is a joke. Either way it's funny as heck.

This. Stephen King's ghosts and apparitions tend to interact with the physical plane more directly

If there was no alcohol in the hotel and the ghost whiskey was fake. What was Jack drinking? Nothing at all?

The ghosts provided him with booze that was real enough I guess.

Why is Homer feeding?

Why would Danny let him out? That’s stupid.

Terraria rules.

>NOTHING AT ALL, NOTHING AT ALL

IF THE HAUNTED HOTEL CONTAINS PHYSICALLY INTERACTIVE GHOSTS IT CAN CERTAINLY MIMIC BASIC BITCH ALCOHOL EFFECTS

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I agree. It was great to see the characters come together. Seeing the characters working together was fulfilling. They treated the main chatacter well. It was satisfying seeing him work with the other character. Seeing them together and working side by side was cool to see. And I'm happy for the characters. Loved seeing the characters do what they did. It was satisfying to have them complete their objective. The way the characters worked in tandem was great. The characters teaming up was a great payoff. Always nice when they show two characters getting along, and the main character was even perfectly capable himself. Still, nice to see him work with the other character. When working together, they made a great team. They'll go down as a great duo, with all the other character pairs that worked well together.

Ectoplasm.

I don't get what you're trying to say.

S

go back 2 the reddit you fag

>adolescent TVTropes pedant

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based post

Good one.

what elevator?

You know what elevator.

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>literally no alcohol in the building

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Do you know what they call a Krusty Burger with cheese at McDonald's?

so you're saying he wasn't drunk off non-existent alcohol when he didn't give Danny the bruises?

The psychological thrill of "is it really happening" is so fucking cliché and trite, any director that uses it should be shot.

I'd just interpret it as the hotel attracting violent people sort of like it's "feeding" on them to grow its malevolent influence
or maybe it's just a silly spooky movie with a lot of hammy acting

So Jack was experiencing severe alcohol withdrawal?

You fucking idiots. The entire movie was actually just a computer simulation.

Violence begets violence. Things that our built on a foundation of “correcting” those who need to be brought under control will attract, encourage, and even aid people willing to engage in similar behavior. The Overlook was built on sacred Indian land, they even fought small battles over it, and from those violent beginnings the Overlook became what it is. It can’t escape the horrible ghosts of its past, and neither could Jack. All that blood coming from the elevator, blood of countless people. All the ghost slowly reveal themselves to be horrible abusers all drawn or trapped in the Overlook. Jack has always been the caretaker because people like Jack had always been there.

It would look like how he was talking to Lloyd before we saw what he was seeing

It’s exactly that it in the book. Jack was “chosen” if you will because his weaknesses made him vulnerable to the hotel’s influences.

Hence the ending to the movie as well. Jack showing up in the picture conveys to me that he’s been claimed by the evil presence there.

don’t worry user he shinned to a nearby paramedic;)

>muh boring reddit i don’t want to like the same things that the people i dislike do
nice critique

Came for this

If you really want to know, go read the book (or the plot summary, if you're an illiterate/lazy).

All of Kings books are set in the same universe. "It" is connected to "The Shining" is connected to "Pet Semetary" is connected to "Carrie"...

I'm not being flip here. The full explanation to the question is complex as fuck. tl;dr? It's not a psychological horror film, it's a supernatural one. The ghosts are real, and they're nothing compared to the entity that drove them to, and feeds on, their insanity.

I'm disappointed it took so many posts for someone to mention this. It's the most interesting idea.

>after working the captcha.

All of you should just take a deep breath.
Work it out for yourselves.
And have fun with it.
No one can tell you what to think.
Play around with a few theories.
Makes for a fun exercise in film study.
Jack into an interpretation that fits your taste.
A well considered one might resonate with others.
Dull ideas like "it was all in his head" make for dull reviewings.
Boy would I like to bash your head right the fuck in.

imagine sticking your dick in the witch before she changes?

fuck your BasedTube video

Now you're getting there

He didn't "btfo" pennywise, he just survived that fire in the club. And he was actually very afraid of the ghosts, that's why he warned danny about room 237. The story is that only people with the shining are vulnerable to the ghosts, the more shining, the more vulnerable. He only spends the on season in the hotel and doesn't have that much shining so it's alright for him

Danny opened the door.

Only sensible post in the thread. Is everyone else being retarded on purpose? They better not be.

>being retarded on purpose
but that's what this whole board is about user. if you want anything else go to reddit, here you come either to act retarded or startled about the retardation of others

The hotel is haunted. Maybe you would have picked that up if the film wasn't badly made and overanalyzed.

That's not how shining works

t. SHINING EXPERT

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white man's bourbon.

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People should talk more about the 1997 miniseries adaption produced by Stephen King.

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looking back it really wasn't that good, the Family guy episode where they do stand by me, misery and shawshank redemption was 10/10

No thanks.

The only Stephen King-related adaption from 1997 that people should be talking about is the night flier

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U sure? A roque mallet is much more scary than an axe I've been told

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1997 is garbage, king was just seething Kubrick crushed his car

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See this folks, these are the words of a literal mouth breathing retard.

The jumpscares are 10/10. Hackrick didn't even have any jumpscares in his misery of a movie

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>stop insulting what i liked as a child
it's shit. get over it. the other two parts of the treehouse episode are even worse.

>unlike the movie
Halloran does survive though user

if he survived that axe wound he probably bled out when the only two other living beings in the whole area left him in the hotel

I see the mini-series had The Wishmaster budget.

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The axe was blunt.

Did Danny use the shining to make it blunt? Was it all a hallucination because of some gas leak in the hotel? And what's up with the lighting in the maze? What did John and Gene have to say about this?

Like the Jew Emily blunt? Nice try nigger lover

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Stephen Kuck got Kubed on.

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It's fascinating how King can write an entertaining book, but for the love of god ruins every movie he touches

It's strange that ghosts are real, what are they doing all day, do they have a purpose? I think they mostly hang around their own bloodline mostly. Mostly.

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I've always loved how King always talks shit, but every adaptation he's been directly involved in is an absolute shitshow.

That's a lot of feed

Yaaaassss slay queen!

LMAO AT YOUR LIFE, FAGGOOT!