Director F. Gary Gray nearly exited as producer Walter Parkes attempted to remake the script on the fly while the studio tried to limit its own financial exposure. "The movie needed a greater reason to be," says a Sony exec. In 2016, Sony Pictures’ top executives, including chief Tom Rothman, faced a dilemma: Should they greenlight a reboot of Men in Black or pursue a Men in Black crossover with a second franchise, 21 Jump Street? The stakes were high. A misstep could kill a franchise. Or two.
Initially, Sony tried to make deals for the crossover route. That plan was ambitious, requiring names such as Steven Spielberg and Walter Parkes on the Black side, and Chris Miller and Phil Lord on the Jump Street side to forego rich producing deals. But when Street producer Neal Moritz refused to slash his first-dollar pact, according to several sources with knowledge of the talks and development of both projects, the studio pivoted and went for the Men in Black reboot.
That Sony would attempt to relaunch the franchise without Will Smith was a roll of the dice. The studio was already trying to cut a deal with him for Bad Boys 3 and, internally, getting the actor along with Tommy Lee Jones for a fourth MIB film was seen to be both an expensive and not as forward-looking proposition, sources tell The Hollywood Reporter.
That choice to relaunch the franchise with new stars would lead to a battle between director and producer and, ultimately, a crash landing at the box office. Men in Black: International, a hoped for relaunch of a franchise with sporadic entries since 1997 but one that grossed over $1.6 billion, opened to only $30.1 million stateside. It was, if not a franchise killer, a franchise freezer.
The Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones-starring MIB films — released in 1997, 2002 and 2012 — all bowed in the low-to-mid $50 million range. In the months prior to release, Sony and industry experts had given up on International opening near those numbers, with some anticipating a low $30 million debut and high-end estimates coming in on $38 million. Sony was hoping to bring in a new fanbase for MIB franchise, thinking that International would be able to capitalize on Thompson and Hemsworth’s combined star power following their team-up in the critically and commercially successful Marvel Studios sequel Thor: Ragnarok.
And the studio was initially high on the script by Art Marcum and Matt Holloway. “The script was good,” says one insider. “You don’t attract Chris Hemsworth and Tessa Thompson if the script isn’t good.” It’s a sentiment echoed by several insiders familiar with the development of International who spoke on condition of anonymity to THR
Brandon Edwards
But when the executive overseeing the project, exec vp of production David Beaubaire, exited the studio in summer 2018 and was never replaced, a tug of war for control of the film began. Director F. Gary Gray, who helmed Straight Outta Compton and The Fate of the Furious, and Walter Parkes, the veteran producer and Spielberg confidant who helped make the original movie, clashed on the vision for the film, a source says. Parkes produced the movie with his wife and longtime business partner, Laurie MacDonald.
Early drafts of the script were described as being edgier and more timely, tying the story to ideas of immigration. At one point, a music group a la The Beatles were to be the bad guys, with four people merging into one villain. Multiple sources describe Parkes, who had final cut on the movie and who had written movies such as the 1980s classic WarGames and the Robert Redford thriller Sneakers, as having a heavy hand in overseeing rewrites not only during the pre-production process but during production as well.
One source says new pages arrived daily for the actors, causing a certain amount of confusion, as well as stripping away what some considered the more modern sensibilities. Thompson and Hemsworth then hired their own dialogue writers. (Both Marcum and Holloway were on set even as Parkes looked to dictate rewrites, another source notes, seconding that multiple dialogue writers served stints on set for the actors.)
Gavin Gomez
Two sources say that Parkes at times also stepped in on helming duties, although no Directors Guild of America rules were said to be violated. Gray tried to exit the production several times but was convinced to stay by the studio, a source says. Even color correcting was a source of contention between the director and producer. "Walter is both the arsonist and the fireman," contends an insider.
Remarkably, the post-production process was relatively smooth. There were no major reshoots and test screenings were mainly localized to friends and family screenings on the lot, says one source. “It wasn’t a Dark Phoenix situation,” says the studio source, referring to the recent X-Men movie that faced reshoots and major retooling after principal photography had wrapped.
The studio tested two cuts – one by Gray, the other by Parkes – with the version by Parkes, who has final cut, being chosen. “The studio was an absentee landlord. They were nowhere to be found,” says one International insider, pointing to the lack of guidance from Sony over multiple disagreements that had broken out between Parkes and Gray.
Sebastian Carter
What Rothman did ensure, however, was that the studio’s exposure was limited. The movie cost in the $110 million range and the executive brought in Chinese conglomerate Tencent and several other co-financiers. The marketing and publicity budget spend was said to be on the lower side due to various tie-ins.
In the end, the movie was met with a lowly 25 percent score on Rotten Tomatoes and a B Cinemascore, showing that audiences, those who did show up, shrugged. “The urgency to see this was never there and the movie needed a greater reason to be,” says a Sony executive.
Yet, in these franchise hungry days at studios, even this failure does not kill the franchise, executives agree. “Aliens walking among us is at its core a great idea,” this Sony executive adds. “Men in Black will be revisited again at one point, either as a series, as streaming, or as another movie.
Cooper Rivera
>In 2016, Sony Pictures’ top executives, including chief Tom Rothman, faced a dilemma: Should they greenlight a reboot of Men in Black or pursue a Men in Black crossover with a second franchise, 21 Jump Street? The stakes were high. A misstep could kill a franchise. Or two. >Initially, Sony tried to make deals for the crossover route. This shit beggars belief.
Jack Johnson
literally nobody outside of america wants a stronk black female lead
Samuel Parker
>or pursue a Men in Black crossover with a second franchise, 21 Jump Street? Would have preferred this.
Luis Torres
Can't wait for the Midnights Edge video on this.
Tyler Lopez
Should have called it Persons in Black, then it would have been a surefire hit.
Zachary Miller
I've never felt more scorn for a company that when the Sony leaks happened. Shockingly incompetent
Colton Carter
Pls spoonfeed me about the leaks
Dominic Gonzalez
What if we took the phenomenon of men dressed in black showing up after extraterrestrial and unexplained activity and just...did something completely unrelated with it?
Cooper Green
Newfag
David Wood
>sony pictures
Ah, i think i have isolated your problem.
Henry Barnes
Imagine paying money to watch this shit film
Ayden Miller
What if we realize that nobody gives a single shit about MIB as a franchise or concept and the only reason the original movies were popular was because Will Smith was at the peak of his popularity and he had a fantastic buddy-cop dynamic with Tommy Lee Jones.
Chase Powell
>“You don’t attract Chris Hemsworth and Tessa Thompson if the script isn’t good.”
Robert Edwards
>Early drafts of the script were described as being edgier and more timely, tying the story to ideas of immigration
Lol
Isaac Price
Quite simple why this failed: potato face SJW being shoved into everyone's face as the co-lead probably wasn't the best idea. Let's hope they understand that and not repeat the mistake (they won't).
Nicholas Gomez
Is Sony the most Calicucked media company in existence?
John Ward
It's true, the moment MiB stopped being about the K/J dynamic was the moment everything fell apart. Hemsworth *can* work well alongside other actors and he *can* produce fun dynamics, but Thompson has the charisma of a wet paper bag and anyone who didn't see she was the weakest actor in Ragnarok are lying to themselves.
Kevin Johnson
>But when Street producer Neal Moritz refused to slash his first-dollar pact, according to several sources with knowledge of the talks and development of both projects, the studio pivoted and went for the Men in Black reboot. >Neal Moritz Ah, so this is who's to blame.
Anthony Kelly
How many more million dollar failures will it take them to realize that nobody wants to watch these vehicles for marxist propaganda?
Henry Fisher
>crossover with 21 jump street Wot? This doesnt even make sense. Why was this even on the table?
Elijah Gray
It balances out against the baffling successes like Captain Marvel
Sebastian Kelly
Sony just can't into movies
Cooper Murphy
It's not about her being potato faced and it's not about her being an SJW, it's about her being a bad actress. Tessa is not a charismatic person, she lacks stage presence and in fact can suck out the fun of a scene because of her poor acting when around the likes of Hemsworth or Hiddleston.
This isn't "Marxist propaganda," it's just a bad movie. They cut the immigration subtext when they realized that script sucked.
Julian Sanchez
i think this one of the parody movies at the credits of 22 jump street, idk it would have been cucked to oblivion anyway so who cares
Justin Price
>Early drafts of the script were described as being edgier and more timely, tying the story to ideas of immigration. That surely would have saved it, more leftist garbage. Why don't they try and make a good movie instead of taking kid franchises and shoving them full of hamfisted political commentary?
Andrew Morris
It's not about making money
Hudson Rodriguez
>a corporate cashgrab for small-souled bugmen is Marxist propaganda I bet you think 'postmodern Marxism' is a coherent term
Michael Morales
Two reasons, >It's safer to resurrect an "old" franchise than start a new IP and >The people who grew up with MiB are now adults that might have children of their own, resurrecting an old franchise gets you free nostalgia.
Nathaniel Turner
>THIS MOVIE IS BAD BECAUSE IT HAS BLACK PEOPLE AND A MESSAGE OF BEING NICE TO PEOPLE DIFFERENT FROM YOU, NOT BECAUSE IT'S A HALF ASSED CASH GRAB OF A REBOOT TO A SERIES NOBODY WAS ASKING FOR MORE OF Die in a fire bubble-boy.
Levi Phillips
>charismatic Charisma is generally equal parts mixture of confidence and good looks. You can't be charismatic and ugly. So yes, it IS about the potato face. The SJW shit certainly doesn't help.
Aiden Stewart
Its' a movie no one wanted from a franchise that was already on life support after 3.
Now they try to blame rewrites and infighting and all this bullshit when the reality is it sucked. Sucked as a concept from beginning to end.
Ethan Ramirez
>Sony was hoping to bring in a new fanbase for MIB franchise, thinking that International would be able to capitalize on Thompson and Hemsworth’s combined star power following their team-up in the critically and commercially successful Marvel Studios sequel Thor: Ragnarok. The popularity of that cast pairing is a massively overblown meme, pretty much exclusive to reddit. You'd unironically get a better response with Hemsworth/Hiddleston or Hemsworth/Cooper.
>“The script was good,” says one insider. “You don’t attract Chris Hemsworth and Tessa Thompson if the script isn’t good.” Can't be serious. I love Hemsy but come the fuck on.
Luis Brooks
literally the opening scene of MIB 1 was Tommy Lee Jones letting a bunch of illegal immigrants who were detained by cops run free and telling them "welcome to America"
Stop deluding yourself, nobody wants to watch ugly nog women completely ruin the dynamic. It's supposed to be a bro movie ffs
Ayden Long
>The popularity of that cast pairing is a massively overblown meme, pretty much exclusive to reddit Isn't it funny how studios can completely misread the pulse of a population by reading biased segments of it? Better yet, I'm willing to wager half of the people praising Hemsworth/Thompson didn't even "like" the pairing, they were just praising it because, "colored woman GOOD GOOD" is the socially acceptable thing to say.
Landon Young
lol wtf is that thing
Evan White
as if it wasnt enough to hear her say it, literally every chance she gets, She just exudes this look of utter hatred and contempt for whites. Like this inescapable disgust for her superiors
Dominic Walker
Even if this movie had two white people in the lead roles it would have sucked. The script was bad, the plot was bad, the movie was bad. Looking for a conspiracy under every failure is really unhealthy.
That's all true, but it only becomes a sure-fire failure when it's done by people with zero vision, balls or wit. The Jumanji reboot wasn't fantastic but found an audience anyway by doing fucking something with the franchise and not going full retard with the plot, casting, etc.
Austin Allen
>thinking they would be able to capitalize on Thompson and Hemsworth's combined star power following their team-up in the critically and commercially successful Marvel Studios sequel Thor: Ragnarok. >"You don't attract Chris Hemsworth and Tessa Thompson if the script isn't good." >Thompson and Hemsworth then hired their own dialogue writers. Do any producers actually know how movies work?
Lincoln Thompson
>a Sony movie failed because of executive meddling I’m shocked
Nicholas Jenkins
>that super agressive, super rude "african Studies" girl on campus that you literally cannot get a word in on, shuts down every single thing anyone has to say, and threatens to call the police or press charges about every insignificant possible response you could leverage towards her
>Early drafts of the script were described as being edgier and more timely, tying the story to ideas of immigration
Jesus Christ these people are clueless. Want to relaunch Men In Black and make it relevant for 2019? Go back to the source - the Aircel/Malibu/Marvel comics, and the actual MIB urban legends. Play up on the fact that they're a sinister, untrustworthy, heavily-compartmentilised organisation with nebulously-defined goals and an almost unlimited budget operating with absolutely no oversight and zero respect for human life.
We're in a zeitgeist where people on both sides of the political spectrum don't trust the media, don't trust the government, and absolutely don't trust intelligence agencies. Portraying the Men In Black as a sinister force preserving the status quo at any cost, often with deleterious results for anyone in their firing line, would play far better than more woke garbage AND distance an attempt at revitalising the franchise from the Smith/Jones incarnation.
Sebastian Anderson
>It's supposed to be a bro movie ffs agreed, guys team up, male/female combos dont "team up" in real life, they FUCK, and "fucking" is a power imbalance, naturally. someone is literally getting fucked, and someone is doing the fucking, its not a "team" effort that is mutually beneficial.
I understand that part, it makes sense and has been a successful model(Jurassic World, Jumanji, etc). What I don't get is the jump to "let's genderswap/raceswap the main characters! Make the whole movie about immigration and open-borders! The villain will be an allegory for Trump!" I get that they have an agenda, but it's a financial disaster every time they do it, so does it override their desire to make/not lose money?
Julian Russell
A big chunk of it is that, but I think it's also a lot of dumbasses simply not being able to differentiate liking Hemsworth/Thompson together and liking Ragnarok's humour. It's not their 'chemistry' that made them like Ragnarok by a fucking longshot.
Jayden Stewart
Every sucker who paid to see that was either a) tricked into thinking it was essential viewing ahead of the following month's release of Endgame (it wasn't), or b) some disgusting late-millennial with misplaced nostalgia for the 1990's. Truly a triumph of marketing.
Lucas Morgan
I might be a brainlet, but I do recall seeing male/female buddy teams that weren't utter failures. The Dredd movie did a good job at this, as I remember.
and demolition man.. but still, the characters end up fucking.. they arent equals
Luke Garcia
Whatever that hairstyle is supposed to be, it looks like an alien tube that's about 70% finished sucking her brains out.
Jayden Jackson
>"fucking" is a power imbalance, naturally. someone is literally getting fucked, and someone is doing the fucking, its not a "team" effort that is mutually beneficial. Literally and unironically have sex.
Sebastian Rivera
No, I can tell you're the newfag because someones who's been here longer than a year would know that not everyone on Yea Forums frequents the same board, you goddamn fucking transplant.
>you cant be charismatic and ugly t. Ugly uncharasmaric retard
Hunter Ortiz
my brain too hard for this to, more farts,
thanks you
Leo Price
Let’s be honest, user. Hemsworth is box office poison as well. He has never been able to draw a crowd outside of Thor.
Brayden Bell
I agree with the dumb animeposter
Sebastian Edwards
im in a 7 year long relationship. Ive had sex so many times its lost meaning. and maybe you should try sex, try it enough times and you will see how it is most certainly a "power" thing.
and wait untill you realize 'sex' is the only thing women think they control, and when they dont, they revert to being (essentially) over glorified children.
Cameron Evans
Dredd and Anderson was a good combo, but they aren't bros; they're superior and subordinate.
Jordan Green
>reddit spacing >calling someone newfag yowzer
Julian Brown
>so does it override their desire to make/not lose money? Follow Hanlon's Razor, user. >Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity Behind every trashfire is a horribly mismanaged studio filled with big personalities squabbling over their own vision of what the movie should be. Reshoots, reboots and revisions are the death knell of any coherent narrative, and these movies *always* have those. These are not clever people, these are *stupid* people, and their stupidity at handling what was already a mediocre franchise is why they always bomb.
Wyatt Martin
>Star Power Do regular normies even care about which famous actor is in which movie now a days? Unless theyre playing a certain role most people barerly seems to care
Dominic Parker
We had a girl like that in my all white country school. We called her Banana Head and she would always try to stage prtotests and walkouts over menial shit. Could be dead now, tell you truth i could give a fuck.
It's still a partner dynamic. The pairing don't have to be "friends" to be fun cinema.
Adam Taylor
Summer hasn’t even started yet wtf
Jayden Jones
The token black girl at my school got pregnant at 15 and dropped out. That was a fun high school, our biggest ethnic groups were Indians (who were really fun) and Jews (who were the preppy rich kids, still fun.)
Nathan Harris
I don't know if he's poison but he definitely isn't a draw. He clearly doesn't take himself seriously as an actor and seems to do anything he thinks would be fun. On the one hand that's to his credit, but also puts a whole lot of garbage on his resume.
Looks like when you wrap a well line in electrical tape.
Bentley Moore
user, how long have you actually been on Yea Forums. Be honest.
Jaxson Nguyen
the kind that get dick whipped from a huge cock. Women are the horniest, most sexual beings on the planet, and are completely and totally ruled by hormones.
I say "NO" and that makes me the "man" in her life. I put limits on things, decide things, i yes and no things. If you find a girl, and she asks you something or does something and you tell her "no" and then she doesnt do that thing, you now control her, and this is what she desires most. The most common thing you will ever hear a millenial female say is: >"I do whatever I want" that is untill they meet a "man" and he tells them "No" and for the first time in their life they have order, they have reason, they have limits and boundaries. You are the purveyor of those limits. you are "daddy" because only 'daddy' tells her "NO"
Sounds like a really shitty relationship with a dull, vacuous woman. I prefer mine.
Alexander Torres
Yea we had one of those too. One time some guy was doing an impression of a black woman. He didnt even say anything offensive, he did an impression of a black actor in a movie. It was spot on. She went to hell and back to try and get the guy suspended or whatever the hell she was hoping to achieve. She wrote a letter to herself with a bunch of racist shit and threats on it and claimed it was from the guy but it was clearly her handwriting and not even remotely similar to his. It was pretty crazy stuff
Mason Lee
Im half convinced the films were to distract from the real MiBs. Make them a figure of fun etc.
Hudson Moore
I'm willing to bet most Americans don't want that either.
Bentley Anderson
user, fucking your onahole while thinking about your waifu does not mean you're in a relationship.
this manifests all the time socially: its why so many females have obscene fantasies about being raped, dominated, plowed, slammed, choked, slapped, you name it, all manner of 'authoritarian' fetish circle things. Western women, especially the beautiful ones, essentially live in a world of fantasy, where most everyone and everything bends to their most innane will, where they could pick guys off the street to grovel at their feet, and they would, where they have virtually complete immunity from the law, social consequences or any consequence what-so-ever from what they say, do or feel. Western women's lives lack the meaning and definition "struggle" imparts on man, because they need not struggle for ANYTHING if they dont want to. They could get on their phone, scroll twice and have literally anything they want, and thats the gods honest truth.
But what the REALLY want, what they cant just scroll twice to get, is the word "NO". When you learn this, when you make it your mantra, when you deliver "NO" (and prettier the girl is, the more effective the word will be) and she tows that line, she is yours.
Nigger fuck right off. Then you should know better. Summer isn't real, reddit-spacing isn't real, none of the shit being spewed by newfags these days is relevant at all and retards like you parrot it.
Honestly how far does Global rule 3 go? Can I just report obvious shitposting for trolling outside Yea Forums? Purge when?
Michael Rodriguez
this is the hottest shes ever looked weird how you can be mogged by your own self
Nicholas Gomez
I live with my girlfriend of five years, though. It's just that I actually like her as a person and our sex life is based around on mutual enjoyment.
Landon Morales
Will Smith is a has been who hasn't been in anythinig worthwhile since the 90s. How he still gets room to negotiate after being in so many bombs is only because he's part of the Hollywood Mafia.
Evan Garcia
desu i dont even know who it is, dig the 'gothy' look
Jose Jackson
THIS
Nathaniel Bennett
google it fucking idiot. If you see a bunch of spiderman power points that look like your teacher made them. Then you are looking in the right place
Joseph Walker
>. How he still gets room to negotiate after being in so many bombs is only because he's part of the Hollywood Mafia.
you mean hes a part of the ANTI-HOLLYWOOD mafia, Scientology, who fights fire with fire. Jew hollywood runs 24/7 disinfo on scientology to discredit it, classic marxist bullshit behavior.
Scientologists take advantage of the same legal loopholes jew-hollywood uses, to combat them on an equal playing field money and property wise.
Chase Gonzalez
He's a brand and he's black.
Brody Hall
If the racist and sexist actress wasnt in it, I would probably have watched it.
Justin Green
WarGames was fucking trash, though
Noah Phillips
Why do I even bother with you faggots? Useless cunt's all of you. I asked for a basic fucking rundown and all I get is shit.
Dominic Lopez
this, it's why mib 2 and 3 sucked too
Juan Gray
>Agent J's love interest from the second film is ascending to the throne and invites J to be her King >he accepts however MIB forces him to train a replacement >he chooses an up and coming NYC detective >they go on wonky adventures showing all the new shit MIB has acquired like gadgets aliens and whatever >eventually aliens try to kidnap agent J because he's about to become royalty >New agent, the pug, and the female agent from the end of the first movie go save him
HOW? She's a mediocre actor from a string of mediocre/bad movies that appeared in the MCU and pulled off being quite possibly the least cared about character in the entire franchise
Dominic Kelly
Danny Devito looks like a sausage and he's charisma as hell
Jayden Thompson
J's love interest from the second film was Rosario Dawson, your picture is from the first movie.
Luis Fisher
Barely anybody in America wants one either, black women are less than 5% of the population or something wtf is with all the fucking pandering and over representation?
Tyler Williams
They’re actually talking like Thompson is a serious A list actress. My fucking sides.
Jayden Morgan
>wtf is with all the fucking pandering and over representation?
Name 10 big budget studio films from 2019 that have a black female lead.
Gabriel Lewis
>You don’t attract Chris Hemsworth and Tessa Thompson if the script isn’t good
for people my age it started about a month ago my high school year usually ended around now in june anyway, with the senior graduation around june 25 or thereabouts summer's only just begun, friendo
Jaxon Sullivan
It actually is because she’s a potato faced SJW bellend. I’m not taking my kids to see anyone who talks shit about white people, I don’t give a fuck what the film is.
Grayson Hill
holy fucking shit, based and truthpilled my ex was the same way, super "independent" and an epic "liberal" girl until she told me to dominate the shit out of her in bed and never complained when i dictated various terms of the relationship. we broke up and her life fucking fell apart and she became a disaster
Thomas Perry
You’re everything wrong with the West.
Adrian Scott
Why did they bother making this movie when they had no clear direction for it and not even a working script
Charles Price
>but why did company make awful decision in an effort to make money? money, user
Jeremiah Evans
They need to provide a reason for hiring them I guess
Jason Jones
>Early drafts of the script were described as being edgier and more timely, tying the story to ideas of immigration.
>You don’t attract Chris Hemsworth and Tessa Thompson if the script isn’t good You can credit Thor to Hemsworth I guess, but what the fuck has Thompson done in her life? Has she even had a main character role ever?
Dominic Wright
>but what the fuck has Thompson done in her life? She was born black in the current year
Aiden Williams
It doesn't. It's just supposed to be a vehicle for white man dopey and dumb, black woman stronk and empowered, puts white man in his place, propaganda.
Jeremiah White
Because he had bigger fish to fry retard. Would you be worried about a couple of mexicans when you have fucking aliens knocking on your doorstep?
Brandon Richardson
Hollywood has been trying to replace Will Smith with another funny negro for a while. Obviously they're looking for a negro that know his place and it's very grateful to his masters. The problem is Hollywood has failed so far and Will Smith is the only black star they have and without him, they'll have to admit to be racist. That's why Will can still negotiate, he's the best negro Hollywood has
Cooper James
It's a known franchise. Probably the license runs out soon or something.
Kayden Bailey
>female agent from the first film
Learn to read you fucking retard
Jeremiah Morales
Well, it's only a planet and one human family. They say looking Earth from space change your perspective
I almost watched knowing it was going to bad just to be ready for Endgame.
There's nothing baffling about it. They banked on people believing it would be important for Endgame and since Endgame had already sold itself, Captain Marvel just rode on its coattails.
Julian Gomez
Shoulda just made a fourth movie with K and J.
Austin Clark
affirmation action
Luke Cox
Who even thought that MiB was a cash cow in the first place? The first one was okay, but the sequels were trash. It's no surprise that this happened and now it's for real dead.
having blacks at all not named Will Smith in the lead is a losing strategy, they would never.
Dylan Bell
just google it fucking faggot
Dominic Gomez
tldr
Gavin Butler
danny devito
William Torres
Black leads are fine. You just need to find that needle in a haystack that don't constantly try to politicize everything.
Mason Collins
The Hunstman movies never became a franchise but they tried with the sequel. The problem is the first one made money because it had Kristen Stewart and the Twilight fever was at its peak so the fangirls and their moms took it as Twilight-lite. When the second Huntsman movie came, the Twilight fever already passed out and Snow White wasn't in the movie. I mean, who the fuck care about the huntsman? He's less important than the dwarves
Nathan Ward
shills
Ian Adams
>You just need to find that needle in a haystack that don't constantly try to politicize everything. so basically a white guy with a tan
Tessa’s movie flopped because nobody cares about her. Nobody cares about Hemsworth (outside Thor) either.
Mason Brown
>Elder Futhark tattoo reads "Keits" What did the franchise-slayer mean by this
Josiah Diaz
Enjoy getting called an idiot for your lack of reading comprehension
Hudson Gray
>+ Foreign: $79,547,912
so hes right
Samuel Thompson
Not turning everything into a social issue is pretty rare for whites these days, too.
Hunter Bell
My stance on the matter as well. How much of a pathetic spineless pussy do you have to be to pay money to a company that thinks that insulting you is a viable marketing strategy. Star Wars fans sicken me.
Juan Peterson
That's not true, many just keep their mouths shut. Even Hemsworth tries to avoid it.
You're a faggot who simplified the problem that ignores several other realities such as the fact that most people are literally too fucking dumb to understand the big picture and thus act in their own self interests never understanding the damage they do to themselves and everyone around them perpetuating this cycle of shit.
But I had never seen that clip before and I enjoyed it so thanks. If only we could all be as good as Superman is.
Evan Brown
How the fuck is Rothmsn still employed in the film industry? Don't say Jewish nepotism either. He's just so fucking inept I don't see how he can still be employed.
Jace Jackson
Hemsworth is fucking hilarious. I'd probably watch a movie of him just doing interviews.
Dylan Carter
why are studio execs so out of touch. who though tessa thompson had star power? she's a minor character in the marvel movies
Kevin Lopez
>Who is your hero? >Michelle Obama Hardly a week goes by without me hearing about Michelle Obama pulling a family out of a burning building or swimming down to a submerged car to bust out the window and swim the survivors to shore. What a hero.
Joshua Collins
>or swimming down to a submerged car to bust out the window and swim the survivors to shore Too bad she wasn't around in Ted Kennedy's day.
Jacob Johnson
Xirs in Black
Jason Bailey
I dunno why they keep saying Hemsworth and Thompson had good chemistry in Ragnarok? If anything Thor and Valkyrie were the WORST things in Ragnarok period.
Luke Turner
And it's rare.
He's pretty good in comedic roles. He just has shit luck choosing projects. It doesn't much help that his wheelhouse, action/comedy, is hard to come by these days. And The Rock seems to have the market cornered on those. He'd legit have been perfect for the Big Trouble remake.
Henry Phillips
Not everyone can ruin the school lunch system.
Ethan Adams
marketing teams decide pretty much everything they are usually clueless too
tessa thompson: diversity points +shes lesbian, the 16/24 audience/milenials seem to like her, not that expensive. wth not?
big mistake
Owen Butler
michelle obama is a man
Charles Powell
Haha. Imagine giving your wife some busy work you think she couldn't possibly fuck up and then she goes ahead and fucks it all up?
Josiah Clark
>shills unironically calling the movie bad Never go full retard.
Chase Russell
>*invests in hedgefund that pays out if a movie flops* I'm gonna be rich!
Charles Garcia
I obviously don't eat inner city school lunches in Muttland but how did she manage to fuck it up? Didn't she make them more healthy and affordable?
Easton Miller
>16/24 audience likes her Why? She has the charisma of ugly wallpaper. Do people actually think dry humorless angry looking mulatto dykes are entertaining?
Jason Diaz
no, no one does. It is signalling pure and simple.
People say they like ugly dykes when its polite to say they do. Then they dont watch the film and the jews scratch their filthy, misshapen skulls in confusion
Landon Cruz
>more healthy and affordable?
No. She led to kids just throwing the food away and going without or bringing their own, leadinb to millions in wasted food and dollars.
Blake Gonzalez
People of Color
Joseph Anderson
Why cant they just admit forced diversity and CGI ruined the film?
Ryan Phillips
time for the hollywood accountants to work their magic
Sebastian Rogers
>“You don’t attract Chris Hemsworth and Tessa Thompson if the script isn’t good.”
Yeah that sentence reads like it was written by someone's publicity agent or lawyer. It has so much bullshit spin on it like "literal who Thompson wouldn't do it if it wasn't good, right"?
Kayden James
Steve Buscemi would like a word. As would Robert Deniro, Fred Gwynn, Berta from Two and Half Men, Meryl Streep, Glenn Close, John Belushi, Abe Vigoda, John Goodman.
While I am sure the original dialogue was awful I've never heard of actors being able to hire their own writers to write their dialogue and tell the director to pound sand.
Matthew Cook
Yes, especially their PlayStation division.
Lucas Ramirez
>excuses IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER They lack talent and vision. That's why it's bad. Many good movies in the past have been made under even more troubled production. This is all just damage control to salvage careers of no talent hacks.
Matthew Campbell
If Sony wants to crossover MIB with another francise, the only good choice is with Ghostbuster, whose IP they already own.
But their PS4 games (movies) have been pretty successful.
Henry Fisher
>Thompson and Hemsworth then hired their own dialogue writers. At the end of the day nothing causes more Hollywood disaster than to many cooks. I don't even know why actors are allowed this sort of input
Colton Martin
You do remember that the original movie starts with the MIB letting a bunch of illegal immigrants go free? Or the fact that the premise in general is really easy to draw parallels to the whole refugee thing?
Adrian Thompson
>Spanish rice for kids what in the actual fuck?
Jack Harris
You gotta think like a suit. >Those millennial twits are in their 20s and 30s and have more disposable income >They love the 90s, don't they? Alright, find me big franchises from the 90s and reboot them
David Hill
>Thompson and Hemsworth then hired their own dialogue writers. (Both Marcum and Holloway were on set even as Parkes looked to dictate rewrites, another source notes, seconding that multiple dialogue writers served stints on set for the actors.) are these people the actors bring in themselves or just that the production had writers for each character? I disagree with actors having creative control over their characters. the director should have the final say in everything and actors should learn to play their part
Wyatt Jenkins
>Want to relaunch Men In Black and make it relevant for 2019? Go back to the source - the Aircel/Malibu/Marvel comics, and the actual MIB urban legends. Play up on the fact that they're a sinister, untrustworthy, heavily-compartmentilised organisation with nebulously-defined goals and an almost unlimited budget operating with absolutely no oversight and zero respect for human life. That's too smart for most Hollywood executives. I should write a book like it, though.
Nolan Scott
They were stupid to think that they could do another one without Will Smith or Tommy Lee Jones.
Mason King
The point of the flick is that the MiB deal with a much larger illegal immigrant problem.
Nicholas Lee
>HOW? She's a mediocre actor from a string of mediocre/bad movies that appeared in the MCU and pulled off being quite possibly the least cared about character in the entire franchise Yeah. How many kids want to be Valkyrie again? And why am I the only one who remembered her character's name?
Wyatt Hall
Also no one wanted a new MIB.
Are we going to pretend that even with better leads with Jones and Smith that MIB 2 and 3 were even good?
The first movie was a fun romp but even without all the Tessa Thompson hate on this board specifically, no one fucking asked for this.
Stop the reboots.
Anthony Clark
>Those millennial twits are in their 20s and 30s and have more disposable income No, they don't. Half of them are broke. >Oh.
Julian Stewart
>THE PRODUCERS IS A GUIDEBOOK The fuck did I just say?
Tyler Flores
>on Thompson
Colton Bennett
>all the tourists angry at this post
Aaron Watson
>“The script was good,” says one insider. “You don’t attract Chris Hemsworth and Tessa Thompson if the script isn’t good.” Holy shit. These retards have to be high.
Bentley Phillips
>You don’t attract Chris Hemsworth and Tessa Thompson if the script isn’t good.”
Hollywood has a new one every year it seems like so yeah. It’s like they make them in a factory. Every time they flop they bring in a new one. And none of them can act.
Aaron Nelson
>Men in Black crossover with a second franchise, 21 Jump Street? i was ungodly hyped for that. real shame that it didnt come out
Bentley Sanders
what I've read is Thompson is a wet blanket and Hemsworth is a weirdo-in-a-kind-of-good-way, the movie is not good.
Kevin Carter
A woman can't be charismatic and ugly.
Jace Phillips
women aren't charismatic period
Noah Collins
>marxist propaganda
yikes have sex
Levi Butler
>tying the story to ideas of immigration Yikes.
Ethan Lopez
>You do remember that the original movie starts with the MIB letting a bunch of illegal immigrants go free? the MIB are responsible for aliens. they detained an alien illegal immigrant and let the human illegal immigrants go
Kayden Wood
People were mostly pissed they blackwashed a character known for being blonde and white and beautiful so yeah after Thor 3 she's largely forgotten.
>People were mostly pissed they blackwashed a character known for being blonde and white and beautiful so yeah after Thor 3 she's largely forgotten. I think it's because she never made an impression. I don't remember anything about her performance from that movie.
Alexander Brooks
Will Smith's character was a pretty serious cop underneath his quippy facade. Now it's all quip and that's pretty much it.
Hudson Lopez
i remember she kept doing "masculine" things like sitting with her legs spread open and pelvis thrusting a big gun. and i think she got really drunk at one point, and she got sad when she remembered all of the other Valkyries being killed
Easton Edwards
This is baffling, but then again >Sony
Ayden Ortiz
Huh. If we can't remember shit, what makes these execs think that she can lead a movie? >Inb4 blowjobs.
Blake Ortiz
Reboot/title the series to Womyn in Black.
Kevin Torres
>blockbuster starring minority or woman flops >suddenly there's a ton of articles analyzing how behind the scenes shit between producers and executives was the reason it failed
You should look up Delta Green. It might be more your thing.
William Sullivan
Reminds me of the Solo disaster and how, unlike cases like MIB, the conclusion was... that white male leads are box office poison.
Michael Edwards
Kathy Bates?
Evan Garcia
>Sony could have then considered bringing back original franchise stars Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones, but this idea was seen as “expensive and not as forward-looking proposition,” and so new stars were brought in. Those stars wound up being Chris Hemsworth and Tessa Thompson, two very attractive, very charasmatic actors
>Tessa Thompson >very attractive >charasmatic ?
Andrew Parker
Replace tessa with zazie beetz....profit
Lincoln Flores
>You should look up Delta Green. It might be more your thing. The Cthulu black ops group? Nice.
Andrew Thompson
Black women are the most entitled and mediocre people in the world. They litterally expect everyone to enable them and praise them.
Just look at Ava Duvey or whatever her name is. She's made shitty movie after shitty movie.
Eli Gutierrez
Same shit
Nathaniel Gomez
It's got aliens too, so if you're not into Lovecraft you can just ignore that side of things.
Kevin Turner
Minorities are very entitled people. They suffer from race and success envy from white people. It's why you see so much "anti-white" aggression these days.
Ryder Parker
honestly i would have loved to see a XxX Men in black crossover with vin diesel and ice cube. add in a margot robbie for eye candy
Isaac Johnson
Just existing and not being a nigger is an achievement for blacks.
Hudson Adams
>AND A MESSAGE OF BEING NICE TO PEOPLE DIFFERENT FROM YOU Tessa isn't exactly the best example of that.
Justin Gray
>Heroes are called H and M >Villain is High T
The absolute state of comedy in 2019.
Jackson Edwards
I was looking forward to Black Men Jump In 21 Street.
Jace Anderson
>no 21 Men in Black Street
Jayden Lewis
>she
Carson Green
I thought you were asking for a XXX parody version of MiB. (White) Men in Black (Women).
>more timely, tying the story to ideas of immigration disgust
Connor Gonzalez
Imagine letting your children eat that. I feel bad for America
Matthew Roberts
>Early drafts of the script were described as being edgier and more timely, tying the story to ideas of immigration.
Yeah. It would have been a mega-hit if they could tie in topical concepts regarding open borders and welcoming refugees.
Evan Thomas
>Play up on the fact that they're a sinister, untrustworthy, heavily-compartmentilised organisation with nebulously-defined goals and an almost unlimited budget operating with absolutely no oversight and zero respect for human life. oh, so an SCP adaptation but about aliens? that would be cool
Gavin Edwards
I say no to niggers at every opportunity lol
Zachary Foster
>Should they greenlight a reboot of Men in Black or pursue a Men in Black crossover with a second franchise, 21 Jump Street? The stakes were high. A misstep could kill a franchise. Or two. kek
sonyggers are trying so hard to replicate marvel's success but it doesn't work like that, you just can't crossover unrelated franchises and make them work
Michael Scott
They tried with Kevin Hart
Carson Brooks
Black Panther made bank overseas and it had a bunch of stronk females
Samuel Cooper
I think Kevin Hart tries too hard. They've got Idris Elba too, but he's been set aside for serious roles only, so he probably wouldn't do comedy.
Cameron Cruz
It sounds ridiculous but that's the kind of spectacle you need to get people to see a movie in theaters and on opening weekend. Opposed to International that looks bland from the trailer and normies will watch it on netflix 9 months from now.
I used to think that Hollywood execs were willing to lose money by pushing ideological garbage.
Now I realize that they're just fucking idiots who believes that they can get away with the ideological garbage while making money, despite failing over and over and over.
She ticks multiple boxes which saves studios on actors' wages
Grayson Turner
>cracked is that shit site still around?
Gavin Hall
>Sony makes movie mocking North Koreas leader >North Korea turns into hackerman.exe and publically releases a fuckton of internal Sony e-mails >Sony e-mails shows that Sony, and Hollywood in general is ran like a kindergarten by mentally handicapped children who somehow managed to overtake the guards
Andrew Carter
the article is from the good old days >Money. There is a lot of money invested in movies, especially big summer blockbusters, and here's what you can never forget: The likelihood that people will panic, go insane, and make bizarre, irrational decisions is directly proportional to the amount of money involved. If you shoot something in your backyard using a borrowed camera and your buddies, congratulations, you have total creative freedom. But if you want a big, loud movie with whatever actors the general population wants to have sex with at the time (currently Ryan Gosling, Jennifer Lawrence, and Flo from those Progressive Auto Insurance commercials), you're going to need someone else's money. And that someone else? He's got some notes...
basically hollywood is full of executive meddling, that's why sometimes good writers and directors deliver subpar movies
Sebastian Lee
The problem was the females in the movie >preached progressive bullshit >preached open borders >the casino scene was mostly to give them something to do and look pretty
None of them added anything to the movie, that the movie could've been without
Black Panther was successful for the
>aggressive media campaign so POC finally have a superhero on the screen. Ignoring Blade and Blankman >Had the Marvel Seal >Made by a black director staring a Black lead, Soundtrack by a black dude but financed by Jews >Heavy virtue signaling and pandering made it seem it was mandatory to see and like or you're a racist Trump supporter
Riddle me this! An technological advanced civilization, stood by and allowed the looting and plundering if its continent for centuries. However, they found time to put "white colonizer" jokes in there for laughs.
Justin Roberts
Saw the movie today. If anything, it's Thor's movie and Tessa is only there for the ride. That said, the movie isn't good, a suitable rental.
Owen Hernandez
>and the female agent from the end of the first movie go save him There is a throwaway line in the 2nd movie that she went back to normie world because she couldn't hang
Gabriel Roberts
Who this?
Camden Myers
>lose money by pushing ideological garbage. Either they don't think they'll lose money by doing this, because they live in an echo chamber that creates a distorted image of what people actually want to see, or they think they'll win more than just money by doing so, i.e. Good Boy Points and The Right Side of History.
>crossover with a second franchise, 21 Jump Street I would have unironically been excited for this
Kevin Clark
>“You don’t attract... Tessa Thompson if the script isn’t good.” Huh? Is she supposed to be a big deal now or something?
Caleb Gray
Jewish Nepotism is how he got the job. Once you are that high and understand the game it is hard to fire you because you and other higher ups are all coexisting and making a lot of money and as long as all of you are there and no one is shaking the boat, you all stay employed. It's why Kathleen Kennedy still has a job and why Amy Pascal keeps getting "fired" aka moving to somewhere else or being promoted with her own production company.
Ian Green
He's funny but not charming enough to carry a movie the way Will Smith did
Samuel Rodriguez
Don't act like screencapping a paragraph and posting here was something hard to do, fuckin loser.
Robert Jenkins
an outlier is not a trend.
Caleb Russell
Oh, Sony. Just stop.
Aaron Jenkins
Why does Tessa Thompson piss off incels so badly?
Jason Lee
She's a huge A-Lister. Stay made incel
Benjamin Thompson
She played Valkyrie, who is supposed to look like a valkyrie, not like whatever she is. Then she ranted about not wanting to work with white men, which didn't exactly endear her to white male audiences. She can go away now.
David Garcia
Never heard of her before her being miscast as a minor character in Thor 3. I guess she's been in some other trash I never watched, Westworld or whatever. I still barely know she exists and am ready to go back to forgetting she exists again.
James Kelly
Terrible at her job. Zazie Beets was brought up earlier in the thread - her personality is just as aggravating as Thompson's, but on-screen she's actually quite a charismatic presence and can act. You can pretend it's racism or misogyny all you want, but the reality is Thompson is just not good at her job.
Brandon Turner
Men in Black?
More like Woman in Bad Film
Brody Sanchez
She's a racist, and I don't support racists.
Chase Baker
>THIS MOVIE IS BAD BECAUSE IT HAS BLACK PEOPLE nailed it
When you literally don't hear about something at all, AT ALL. ANYWHERE except afterwards to hear it was a bomb...
Samuel Rogers
nigger
Connor Brown
Nobody outside of Yea Forums/SJWs actually give a shit about the color/gender of the actors on screen. They just quality films.
Jonathan Nelson
he likes to play the stupid funny rather than the clever funny.
Wyatt Foster
That's not true. Black audiences are more likely to go if the main character is black and white audiences are more likely to go if the main character is white and so on. This is what the stats show, which is a big reason behind "diverse casting". Problem is when it's forced.
Joseph Morales
>Nobody outside of Yea Forums/SJWs actually give a shit about the color/gender of the actors on screen >Tyler Perry is nearly a billionaire
Go ahead faggot. You are so deep in this and can;t admit you are wrong start digging deeper and argue how Madea Goes to Jail is a "quality film"
Wyatt Rivera
He's good at it but aside from Thor Ragnarok no one will want to see it for 2 hours unless he has a good co star to play off of. Judging by the trailers he's supposed to be the wise TLJ figure in this movie but still comes off as the big dumb hunk
Kinda related, I hated Bad Times At El Royale when he showed up half way though
Eli Long
...they made another MIB movie?
David Mitchell
>Thompson and Hemsworth’s combined star power I feel like "star power" in general is at a pretty all time low, but I really don't think Thompson counts for much of it even in relative terms
Can you imagine being a wealthy famous actress who doesnt have to work a day in her life and you STILL have the nerve to complain and act like life has been so unfair to you. Makes me sick.
Levi Reed
Because they showed both women characters had flaws which makes people symapthize with them. Problem nowadays is the women can have ZERO flaws and she has to be great st everything and when shes not around people need to talk about how great she is.
Luke Brown
t. virgin, kissless, hugless
Samuel White
The female characters in Black Panther overshadowed the main character
Joseph Morris
I’m not imposing an objective standard of quality in my argument, and don’t need to. The people who watch Tyler Perry films obviously find them to be quality. You’re right that he may be an exception on account of his films being “about black life” in a way that necessarily dictates the race of the actors, but I’d still argue the viewers’ interest is principally in the former and not the latter (they watch the movies because they want to see a film about black life, not strictly because the cast is black)
Aaron Smith
The entire act of sex for a women is discriminating. Youre pinning this person down and slamming your penis into them as hard/fast as you can. Same with bjs or Doggystyle. Problem is (sorry women) but women LOVE ALL THAT STUFF TOO. Women absolutetly love to be thrown around and roughed up during sex. So unless women start growing penises this is the world we live in.
Eli Flores
>dogsbite.org
You chimps should be lobotomized.
Thomas Gutierrez
>The people who watch Tyler Perry films obviously find them to be quality. Ok so using this logic then there is no such thing as a bad movie since as long as 1 person likes it, it can't be judged as bad.
This is the mental gymnastics of the far left who can't simply admit black people support black movies.
Robert Wilson
There's still Samuel Jackson, though he's of a different kind of comedy and also getting old.
Thomas Butler
And you laid out exactly why im never going to get married. If i have to treat my supposed "life partner" like fucking child for them to respect/not cheat on me than sorry id rather keep randomly hooking up and having one night stands. Because im sorry thats not worth it. And the thing is you are 100% right. Of my family and friends that got married. The ones who are still together are the ones where the male talks down to and treats the wife like an indentured servant. The ones who are divorced treated their wives like a partner/teammate.
This all 100% truth and i feel bad for the anons who are laughing at it or saying "thats not true at all"
Robert Foster
You’re fucking retarded and can’t understand the terms of the argument, which had nothing to do with whether the films themselves are ACTUALLY any good. The argument is about WHY people patronize the films and the first place and that race has very little to do with it unless they’re poltards or SJW’s.
Angel Nelson
so fucking dumb, noone wanted this shit.
Owen Barnes
I understand your argument. As long as some people enjoy it then it's not bad. The same old typical mental gymnastics from a far leftist who can't simply admit black support Perry and his black centric movies and plays, as terrible as they get reviewed due to racial obligations. Same reason why Black Panther, a forgettable, non special Marvel movie made so much.
Liberalism is really a mental disorder if you reuse to acknowledge these things.
Owen Clark
Fuck burgers and their niggerloving fantasies, fucking faggots worship niggers and want the whole world to be as cucked as them.
David Cook
>start dating single mom because we have alot in common/click very well >she's going through a hard time so I help her with bills and food because I have a good job >her son was a giant brat when i met him but he starts becoming better and more polite >her family tells me she and her son have gotten so much better since i came around >2 years into the relationship she cheats on me with her baby daddy who just got out of prison >he used to beat her and the kid too
I cut off all contact and will never date a single mom ever again. She literally begged me to come back and apologized but i just ignored her. Thats what i get for treating her like partner/friend instead of a piece of property like most men treat their wives and girlfriends.
>Honestly how far does Global rule 3 go? Nowhere unless it's convenient to the mods you retarded rulefag. If you haven't realized that all the rules that don't pertain to criminal acts are discretionary then you must be from one of the many waves of moral crusaders who break upon this shore weekly now. Purge yourself.
