John Wick 3 Ending

I’m a bit confused about John Wick 3. Spoilers if you haven’t seen it by the way.
Why exactly did Winston say at the end that he was planning on shooting John Wick the whole time so he could continue operating his hotel? If that’s the case, why did he, in the second movie, allow him to go home and then have another hour to escape? Couldn’t he just have killed him right then and there in the hotel and he would have been totally fine in the eyes of the high table?
Is the twist that he knew John would live? That seems a tad too far-fetched that he would guess that John would fall off in exactly the right way and hit the right things on the way down to still be alive.
Could some user clear this up for me?

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Epic trips man. Lucky 7s.

john wick always finds a way to live. it's not far-fetched, the first bullet hit him in the shoulder and didn't bleed.

besides the table had been skeptical of him already, not just from letting john run. so if his plan wasn't so deep, it still demonstrated winston's power and the respect loyalty he has among guests

So you’re saying Winston was knowingly relying on John’s plot armor and he didn’t want to actually kill him? I like the movie but that just seems like bad writing.

Winston is playing a win-win game. By shooting Wick, he displays directly his loyalty and willingness to serve the High Table and obey its rules, so they let him live and continue to run the NY Continental and he retains all his power, influence, and resources. However, he still wants the Table brought down and Wick is his best shot at having that happen, Wick being just as disgruntled with the Table as Winston is, so he shoots Wick in places he knows are tactically-lined armor, gambles that Wick survives the fall (if he doesn't, oh well, but if he does, fuck yeah!), and Wick is now a free agent not actively being hunted by every Table assassin/agent in the world, free to gather up every other disgruntled operative/organization out there with a bone to pick with the Table, and there seem to be many (including everyone the Adjudicator pissed off just punishing those that aided Wick and forcing them under the Table's sway). Should Wick gather enough of an army to seriously challenge the Table, Winston is in a position to support them behind the scenes using the Table's own resources against them, all while fronting that he's doing the Table's bidding.

John was loyal to Winston at the cost of his life and freedom but Winston valued his job and life above loyalty.
His betrayal was real and is what set John off at the end.

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>bad writing that a character LARPs about killing a character knowing they can escape

huh

when i saw it, i thought that by shooting him he was gonna say afterwards " you see, we try to kill him, but you just can't fucking kill this guy, so why even bother trying to get rid of him?" but john saying he was mad at the end just makes it sound like its straight up betrayal and the next movie is gonna be about taking down the high table chads, winston, and getting his goddamn finger with his wedding ring back from the sand leader of assassins guy

>Could some user clear this up for me?
It's hard to say. But in visual storytelling, they usually don't put in extra things. So the thing with the doctor is supposed to make us think that Winston used the same trick.

It is a little dumb, but John Wick isn't supposed to be a thinker.

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>John Wick isn't supposed to be a thinker
I hope you mean the movie, not the character. The second film shows Wick being very capable at planning.

>the next movie is gonna be about taking down the high table chads, winston, and getting his goddamn finger with his wedding ring back from the sand leader of assassins guy
Agreed. It's just a shoot-em-up movie. They were just setting up the next group of villians. Wick kills them all, gets his ring back. Maybe Winston lives, maybe not. And Lawrence Fishbuns is probably the new leader.

>I hope you mean the movie,
Yeah, the movie.

>(if he doesn't, oh well, but if he does, fuck yeah!)
>he doesn’t
>John is pissed, realizing this logic meant that his friend was perfectly alright with killing him and that the honor they had with each other was for nothing
>he kills Winston mid-way or toward the end, which sets up his takeover of the continental so that he could then be setup to start taking over the High Table in John Wick 5.
Seems like a bad plan for Winston, unless he did fully plan to kill John, in which case he should have done so at the end of 2. High table would have respected him for sorting out the issue and putting their needs above his friendship with John anyway, so the shenanigans of 3 wouldn’t even need to take place. All of this seems like really convenient plot armor for John to live, and once again, a really bad writing decision for Winston’s character.

So do you think that in the next movie John will go after Winston or the High Table? Maybe both?

>knowing they can escape
I can accept that John was extremely lucky and survived the fall because this is a movie and he is the badass protagonist we are all rooting for, and I know Winston knows that John is a total badass, but it’s kind of retarded that he expected John to survive all of that. We’ve seen him handle impossible combat situations but that doesn’t necessarily translate to Winston going “eh, he can probably handle falling off the roof with no preparation after being shot a few times. He’s John Wick, man.” In fact, it was by total random chance that the gunshots landed him to limp over to the exact edge of the roof where the design of the building would have saved him. What if John limped the other way? Winston would have killed him and his speech about John keeping his soul would have meant fuck-all.

dear god quad dubs.

It felt like that too me. Winston not shooting Johns face, exposed body parts etc. Directing him to a ledge that coincidentally has 100 things breaking his fall somewhat, hobo just happening to be at the right place.

I guess I can see the parallel with the doctor. Still seems highly improbable because I know that movie logic dictates that John Wick survives that fall, but Winston should not be that aware that he is in a movie, if you get what I’m saying. It just doesn’t feel like something you would expect out of a movie like “John Wick,” even if it’s not a “thinker.”

And by >he doesn’t
I mean, he doesn’t die, as in he does survive. Just realized that could have been confusing.

I mean Winston not shooting John in the exposed areas points to him wanting John to live, while there’s no way Winston could have really planned for the rest of the stuff you said to have happened, which points to him wanting John dead but John getting lucky. If it’s the latter, and he’s always wanted John dead, then letting him run away made no sense, and the third movie wouldn’t need to exist because John would have been killed in the continental. That, or Winston would have died trying to kill him in the second movie and this third movie would have played out differently.

The betrayal was real, no one expected morpheus to pick wick up. Winston gave wick the 1 hours because he didn't think the table would care, but now that he knows they care he turned on john. John might spare him in exchange for a blood oath or something in the next movie but otherwise his ass is grass.

Yeah but why Jonh wouldnt kill him tough?

I dont understand how the sushi chefs couldn't sashimi Wick several times but didn't - is it because they were his fans?
Also, Central Station civilians: "oh, someone cut someone down, Continental Hotel boys and girls doing their usual, nothing to see here."

I thought so too until I saw that JW fell like 20 levels downwards I mean cmon, really?

Because Winston has the plausible excuse of 'I had to make it look good or none of it would have worked', just like how things went down with that Doctor that treated John after the time expired. Winston is inherently selfish, but he also wants to win, and John coming after him as the implacable unkillable Baba Yaga is a losing situation for him unless he has an out, which in this case he does because the Adjudicator was present. Winston can use that as the excuse for why it had to go down the way it did.

Again, all part of the gamble. If Wick had died, Winston would still be in the clear with the High Table and them being none the wiser that he was ever planning to get out from under their thumb. He'd just bide his time for another opportunity to present itself that he could use to his advantage.

Maybe Winston wouldn't want John to survive or how to non-fatally shoot him. Maybe the director thought John's survival still needed an explanation so they used the doctor scene for plausibility. (not that this kind of movie needs it)

So Wick is pissed moreso at Winston than the High Table, and Morpheus is mad at the High Table. Could be an interesting conflict in the next movie, actually. What another user said that I hadn’t considered is that maybe Winston did want to save John but when he realized that it meant the high table would actually care, he decided to turn on him? Seems kind of stupid that he didn’t see it coming, and for a turn could have just killed John in 2, but I guess the explanation is plausible enough for me to let it slide.

I’m not complaining about why John survived. Just confused about Winston’s motivations and all.