So. What was the message of this film?

So. What was the message of this film?

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>"just seems to me that you can never fix a Clockwork Orange"

You can't force someone to grow up. The book continues for another chapter in which Alex grows up on his own years later and moves away from his childish wickedness, but it's still pretty well expressed in the film. It's essentially speaking out against totalitarian school and parenting.

Anyone who thinks films are meant to be condensed in a single neat "le message" are absolute mental midgets.

Films are not Twitter posts.

just a couple of droogs participating in a lil bit of the ol ultraviolence
simple as

this tbqh

All creatures drink of joy
At the nature's breasts.
All Just Ones, all Evil Ones
Follow her trail of roses.

it doesnt have message, its about ultra violence schlock mixed down with a bit of schadenfreude..

It had zero message, because it cut the final chapter of the book.
The book itself is pure, Catholic literature, about free will, about manhood, and about learning that man is a failed animal that can through his own choice raise himself to be an angel. It's also an attack on Jewish psychology and science in general. ALL of this is the conclusion in the final chapter, without it, the book means nothing. Burgess himself says so.
I wonder why (((Kubrick))) would leave out that final chapter with it's very Catholic ending...

The book's ending was 100x better.

>movies should only exist as a thrill ride with LSD visuals for 2 hours and nothing else

I'm surprised it was cut from the American edition for so long

>dude an artistic expression can only be a twitter post or an empty tech reel lmao
slit your wrists plot point mental midget

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It's better to be a psycho whil3 retaining your free will than being forced to be a good man to the point of dehumanization

'just be yourself' the movie

Your respond would have been on point with just the green text, but the rest of your response just shows that you were totally assblasted and seething

It's about hierarchies on all levels, and how the ultra-individualistic hedonism of the modern world increases the power of those at the top of those hierarchies. The black comedy comes from the pessimism of there being no way of stopping the powerful from becoming more powerful in the modern world.

that the dregs of society can find redemption in service to the state

Its a very difficult movie to "get", as it doesn't have any clear message and relies on the viewer being familiar with the pecularities of British culture, which is at the same time incredibly conservative and incredibly laissez-fair. Clockwork Orange shows how those two parts interact and reaffirm eachother.

>artistic expression

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Lol, you fash don't hestitate to turn the truth by 180° to suit your narrative.

you can't force a person to fix themselves, they have to make that decision on their own.

the movie was about addiction.

we live in a society

Sharia the only solution for UK

Because he adapted the version of the book that didn't have it.

It was a sociocultural reflection on the norf and the norfern man

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society is so fucked up it doesn't even know, or care, what the difference is between right and wrong anymore

Don't try the wine

>"just seems to me that you can never fix a Clockwork Orange"
You know they actually do namedrop the title, right

>Films are not Twitter posts.

Lol you're talking to people whose president conducts foreign policy and makes trade agreements via twitter.

SOCIALISM BAD

in the film? i thought they only namedropped the title in the book

Huh. So basically it’s okay to do anything and everything you want while you’re young. Yay hedonism and amoral behavior?

Yeah.

The film is a warning from Kubrick to his fellow jews. The message is - the more you dumb down the masses the less you'll be able to control them, and the more intelligent goyim will rediscover their White European heritage and we will be fucked.

The pivotal scene is when Alex forces his way into the bedroom of the jewish lady. He looks around and sees degenerate modern art, and feels disgusted. She attacks him by using his culture as a weapon against him (the bust of Beethoven). He attacks her by using her "art" as a weapon against her (the phallic sculpture). He wins, and the gentile kills the jew with the jew's own weapon. Just like the story of the Golem.

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So. What was the message of this film?

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stigmatizing incest is wrong

This
(but unironically)

astute

>in the film? i thought they only namedropped the title in the book
No, just in the book

Deeds aren't evil; people are. Someone who only behaves morally because of social pressure is still a sack of shit even if they never harm a fly.

They're all around you.

It's basically about being a teenager. Too young to be an adult, but too old to be a child. It's an awkward period of growth that the story captures nicely. They have their own sort of sub-language adults don't understand, except for youth workers like Mr. Deltoid. The film has tonnes of sexual imagery, as do all Kubrick films, but in this case it's fitting because the story is told from Alex's POV, and teenagers are horny all the time. The way they misbehave is typical of teens under certain socio-economic conditions. I don't think the film is trying to suggest why that is, and is leaving it up to the viewer to think about it.

The moral implications of stripping someone of their individuality in order to conform to perceived societal standards.

What happens in the final chapter?

for an attentionspanlet that won't ever read the book, what exactly does the title mean?

The title is meaningless the logo is a Hooters reference.

dunno, it could be one of two things:
-do not defy society
-it doesn't have
-it's up to the viewer

go fuck yourself

This thread has made me lose hope in Yea Forums

>"In the end we really became A Clockwork Orange"

Christ, really Kubrick?

So. What was the message of this film?

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