I'm not a huge fan but this unironically gets better every time you see it

honestly in my personal top 10 films ever made

that includes, eyes wide shut, 2001, Tree of life and Apocalypse now

>been saying

Zack Snyder is truly a misunderstood genius. BvS is one of the best cape films ever made. It's definitely the best one I made.

I watched*

BvS is the ultimate pleb filter

I've lost count of how many times I've watched it. I'm amazed by it, all the attention to detail, the subtleties of the allegory, the understandable psychologies and motivations of the principal characters, the beautiful OST and the visuals. I know a lot of people don't care for Eisenberg's Lex, but I do because I understand what they're doing with the character - making him a son who is slowly becoming his father, a dark inversion of Brando's line from the Donner film.

tl;dr: I love this movie.

>gets better every time you see it
Only because it couldn't possibly get any worse

truly based.
I've yet to hear one mcu song that can even stand up to any of this ost.

>making him a son who is slowly becoming his father
Is this true? His father is THE Lex Luthor? I didn't mind so much since we already had Rosenbaum and Spacey.

Dear lord, what a mess. After watching this film I was forced to ask myself, “Have I ever seen a movie as clustered, unfocused, or even as random as Batman vs. Superman?” Dude, where do I even start?

Before I let the rage out, let’s acknowledge the good stuff. There honestly is good stuff in This movie. I thought Ben Affleck was a great choice to play Batman. The same goes for Jeremy Irons as Alfred. It’s a shame both of them are so underutilized in this franchise. The design of the Batcave was cool to look at. But again, it’s so underutilized. Come to think of it, everything involving Batman was the only aspect of this film that remotely held my attention. I thought Gal Gadot was ok as Wonder Woman, despite her introduction being so laughably butchered. She had her time to shine in her solo film just a year later, but she was ok in this role.

The action scenes, as disappointingly sparse as they were, were actually impressively filmed (with the exception of the climax, which I’ll talk about later). Hans Zimmer is back again to compose another solid musical score that deserves to be placed in a better film.

And with that, allow me to struggle with where to begin with this movie. For one, it is dreadfully unfocused. The story involves Superman becoming a controversial figure after he destroyed half of Metropolis, a warranted reaction. Batman, a seasoned crime fighter, decides to kill Superman. They hardly meditate on this decision, making Batman’s judgement seem forced and not understandable. Anyway, Jesse Eisenberg’s Lex Luthor commits a bunch of atrocities like killing state senators and blaming it on Superman. Lois Lane, while trying to find her purpose in this film, is trying to prove Superman’s innocence. Oh, and Wonder Woman is there for no reason except to show up in the climax. Messy, right? Dude, we’re just getting started.

We constantly shift from Superman’s point of view, to Batman’s point of view, Lex Luthor, Lois Lane and Wonder Woman. Jeez, give me a minute to breathe here! These writers should’ve familiarized themselves with the concept of excess. There’s a scene where Batman sends an email to Wonder Woman, with files regarding Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg. We’re literally looking at a teaser for Justice League! I don’t wanna watch a teaser for Justice League, when we’re already in the middle of this movie! Why do we need to know what these guys are doing when we have two A-List superheroes to focus on? Your movie is about Superman and Batman. In terms of being a bloated movie, you’re already pushing it. Then you introduce Wonder Woman who has no bearing on the plot and is just there to cater to DC fanboys who are attracted to Gal Gadot. These writers should’ve looked at this script and make like 30 edits. Take out Wonder Woman, because she has no bearing on the plot and she deserves an introduction in her own film rather than a rushed development in this crossover film. Take out Lois Lane, because she’s a one-dimensional love interest and making her a main character is an unfathomably strange decision. Amy Adams is a good actress, but Lois is not a main character. It honestly feels like she gets more screen time than Batman.

Jesse Eisenberg, who’s a great actor, is really miscast as Lex Luthor. His goofy mannerisms and childlike demeanor resembles Ace Ventura rather than a super villain genius. I understand he was going for a comedic effect, but it’s offset by the dark tone that this film goes for. How would you like if in the The Godfather, Sonny would make your mama jokes towards other characters. Your comedy doesn’t match try tone of the film, guy.

The fight between Batman and Superman (which comes in 2 hours into the movie) literally makes no sense. So Lex Luthor kidnaps Superman’s mom and says if you defeat Batman, I’ll give you your mom back. So Superman, instead of just saying to Batman “Yo. There’s a hostage, and an overacting tool is forcing me to fight you.”, they decide to duke it out. Dude, just say that! Use your X-Ray vision and scan around! How much leverage does Luthor actually have on you? Also, when Superman says “Save Martha” to Batman (whose mother’s name was also Martha), Batman screams “WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?” And he continues to strangle Superman after he asked him a question point blank. Uh, hi. None of that made sense. Does Batman always get distracted by women who are coincidentally named Martha? Does he always beat people after he asks them a question? Next time, why don’t you just make up with an enemy after they’re executed?

The climax of this film is so visually noisy, it made me remember the thrilling experience I had watching paint dry that one time. The set up of the fil is that Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman have to fight against a big CGI creature named Doomsday who comes out of nowhere and has no buildup in order to save the world. Let’s see. We have an overly violent Batman, a Superman with no discernible personality or charm, and a version of Wonder Woman that we just met. Doomsday has no screen presence and his appearance is just baffling. If you never read DC comics, you would be so fucking confused and bored. When Superman sacrifices himself in this film, it feels tensionless. They don’t flesh out his character and we are hardly acquainted with him. If we knew this version of Superman for years, and if he actually had any character or personality, this death would be more impactful.

>people hated this movie because it was dark and not a carbon copy mcu formula movie

these fags ruined kino forever.

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This film is the pinnacle of bloated Hollywood bullshit. The characters are boring and hollow, the story is a disaster, and it fails to be both smart and entertaining. I’m a DC fan, but I’m a movie fan first, guys. BvS was BS

Fuck you Zack

Yes. It's in his very first scene:

youtu.be/5ZUEGe5DNHk

Take not of the bit about the little old lady investors. I personally think that's a dual reference: both to Spacey's Luthor and his elderly benefactor in "Returns" and to "There Will be Blood," aligning the elder Luthor with ruthless Daniel Plainview and his unbridled greed and Darwinism. Lex Jr. is just as ruthless; he just hides it better.

References are what makes movies great

Zack didn't deserve the hate. Dont at me

DING DING DING DING
Will always be the cringiest scene in any DC film.

Even further nuance in that scene. Notice how Lex enters into the scientific "Holy of Holies" that the Scoutship is(and would be) to respectful scientists. Look at the contrast between him entering and the guy in the cleansuit leaving. Lex doesn't care about the sanctity of the site or preserving it pristine. He's a defiler of science. A violator. This is the arrogance of the mad scientist on full display. It foreshadows everything that's to come in regards to the ship and its technology. This sets up what the ship's AI says later when it refers to Doomsday as "the desecration without name." Krypton enshrined its science even more than we do.

because that is PARADOXICAL!

youtube.com/watch?v=czDaJGbLgs0

youtu.be/PxcXyK2_CzM

only plebs dislike this moviie

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>Batman, a seasoned crime fighter, decides to kill Superman. They hardly meditate on this decision, making Batman’s judgement seem forced and not understandable.
I had this understanding that Batman chose to kill Superman due to the fact that the Batfleck is an ultra-radicalized Batman, driven to rage and violence after decades of impotence trying to fruitlessly fight Gotham's criminality, losing Robin's life, and feeling utterly powerless when space Jesus and space Satan duke it out right on Gotham's neighboring city.

>space Jesus and space Satan
cringe. this is a super hero movie kid.

ok Zack

Lex's plan totally backfired. Remember, he hates Superman because he is a reminder of God. The same God that didn't save him from his father's abuse. But at the same time he is a hypocrite because he wants to be a God himself. Lex's plan was that if Batman killed Superman, then he was not all powerful and if Superman killed Batman (even though it's to save his mother) Superman is depicted as evil, mankind will fear him, and then Hope will die. Now as a back-up plan he had Doomsday to kill Superman in case Batman failed, which he thought he could control because it contained his blood, but the creature nearly killed him. In the end Plan A didn't work, but Plan B did. Superman was killed by Doomsday and Lex showed the world that Superman was not all powerful.

Now here is where his plan backfired in a way Lex never saw coming. Because Superman died sacrificing himself to kill Doomsday and save Earth (again!) now humanity can accept him for two reasons: 1) He is all good 2) He is not all powerful. With the combination of those two qualities mankind no longer fears Superman and because of his sacrifice they love him now more that ever. Batman found faith that, despite of him fighting crime for 20 years in Gotham and suffering the loss of Jason Todd, people can still be good. He also finally found closure for not being able to save his parents as child. Now the memory of that night in the alley no longer haunts hims. It now inspires him, motivates him, and drives him to remember why he is Batman. He remembers The Mission. Wonder Woman realizes she is not as naive as she thought when she was in WW1 and that mankind is worth saving and it has has the capacity to stand united. Through self-sacrifice he gave Batman and Wonder Woman an ideal to strive towards. He has embodied Jor-El's words and has become what Jonathan Kent knew he was destined to be: Hope.

All-in-all Lex was proven right but not for his reasons.

It's true. You fags will be crying about bringing back Snyder in 10 years. Mark my words.

It's okay
The director's cut is a 6/10 while the theatrical abomination of an edit a 3/10, Luthor and CGIday are still terrible in any version though

This.

>You fags will be crying about bringing back Snyder in 10 years. Mark my words.
We already are.

You're right about everything outside of who Superman and Zod really were in MoS: Horus and Set.

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Hmm, I haven't thought about that.

>it was dark
Civil War while far from perfect did "dark" better than BvS , the MCU beat DC in their own "dark" game.
youtube.com/watch?v=ps10nnoZba4

Well said. Personally, though, I don't believe Lex thought of Superman as a god. I think he's just figured out it's one of the things that scares Clark the most - that people might think he is.

I've been begging for it since JL.

Whoever wrote this drivel doesn’t understand this film, the DC characters, or even basic cinematic storytelling

>movie comes out in 2016
>superman doesn't save americans in the capitol
>superman does save mexicans
huh really made me think

Most of your critique is solved by the ultimate cut. The movie in its complete form has 2:30 hours of greatness and 30 minutes of small shitty decisions destroying the entirity of the third act, and cheapening the whole experience. I hated the end of the movie. Snyder chosed the worst possible outcome and went through with it. This is why you should hire good screenwriters, people that are not fixated is visual symbolism like he is.

It lines up all the way to Zod being the murderer of Jor-El(Osiris).

All shitposting aside do you think it’ll be better thought of in 10 or so years when the current trend of capeshit has died down?

Did Zod cut off Jor-El's cock off and throw it into a river where a fish ate it and that's why Superman doesn't like fish?

I didn't mind Man of Steel or Batman vs. Superman, but I can't get over how bad the CGI is in DC movies.

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no but you see look at this webm of a marble movie btfo

>The characters are boring and hollow
Yea maybe they should’ve had more dabbing and Fortnite, fellow Redditor. The character work in this film was a near best for the genre

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>iPhone user calling anyone else reddit

what are you talking about in the extended version he save people till firefighter arrived then he leaves

fucking plebs

>for the genre
That's the key here, Patel.

>superman is a big government shill
no wonder he let those people burn in the capitol

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Remember what Clark's ship looked like? Watch the scene.

youtu.be/s4h2fQRxIHs?t=56

Now watch how his arrival on earth is edited.

youtu.be/m0N8mN_0xlw?t=256

>Splash!

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Shills are shameless. I love the ones that go...

>"So I finally watched this and it was kino."

But Jor-El willingly shot his cock off into space, Zod didn't circumcise him

Are we pretending Marvelshit isn’t far worse for some mysterious reason? What is even the standard of comparison you’re drawing?

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BTFO
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The CGI overall is way better in the Marvel films compared to DC.

Well how literal do you want it? It's even got the whole "hidden seed" thing going on with the Codex - "Krypton's heirs" and all that.

OK so the Osiris/Set thing is garbage but tell me there's at least a deleted scene where Zod (Set) tries to fuck Superman (Horus) but Superman catches Zod's cum and throws it off the fishing boat, then smears his own cum on space lettuce and feeds it to Zod? Because I know Snyder loves that homoerotic shit.

Zod *does* mindrape him. And he does so without knowing that Jor and Kal(unknowingly) is "fucking" him by bringing the Codex into his "ship" and him not even knowing it. In this context, the Codex represents the "seed" of Krypton.

Also, Jor echoes Osiris by "resurrecting" with his wife's help.

>"seed" of Krypton
What about the "feed" of Krypton?

DCEU is absolute dog shit

At least Marvel makes watchable movies.

kek, those are so fucking obvious

Like Black Panther and Captain Marvel, right?

i miss him

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People who complain about cgi in marvel or dc films need to be shot.
Are you really going to imply that every action film pre-2005 is shit because of its cgi? Lord of the Rings, really?

>Whoever wrote this drivel doesn’t understand this film, the DC characters, or even basic cinematic storytelling

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He’s right, though. Certainly about the characters and the film.

go back where you belong

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>the characters don't 1:1 follow my favourite story so the writer must be an idiot
This is why no one took comic book nerds seriously for the best part of a century

bravo

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well if you think about it, BvS it's like a fix of testosterone in a pussified world where Marvel and their basedboy legion won.

Me too, man. Me too.

It will be reevaluated in decades to come and hailed as a masterpiece.

You know what else underperformed when it came out? Citizen Kane. Bringing Up Baby. Fight Club. The Iron Giant. It's A Wonderful Life.

youtube.com/watch?v=AnTSE-Qvt_E

will we ever have a Batman scene like this

do we deserve it?

Do you know what percentage of Marvelshits’ grosses come from China? Give me a fucking break lmao

Truth. This is exactly why critics hated it btw. See pic related

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desu i just want the next batman movie to come out so i can bitch about how Ben was the superior Batman and see how all the youtubers and internet cucks finally realize their mistake

I’m nearly high 24/7 but I went to this movie in imax sober and I felt like somebody had slipped me something. I could believe I was seeing such wacky filmmaking in a mainstream capeshit film. It felt like a visually brilliant 14 yr old was allowed to go apeshit. It’s far from perfect but as far as spectacles go, it’s pretty entertaining. And the longer cut fixes some of the on drugs plot.
So I’d say worse than 300 but better than Wactchmen and Owls of Gahool/10

This film isn’t just a pleb filter, it’s an IQ test. Almost all of the complaints detractors manage to give voice to are either vague beyond the point of conveying meaningful criticism or actively stupid and demonstrably incorrect

Kill yourself iFag

Droidbeards don’t have sex. Stay mad, Virgin

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Going to a bar and fucking some random slut doesn't make you a Chad

Actually, it’s Hinge and she’s on her way directly to my place. We’re watching The Ballad of Buster Scruggs :-)

It's a piece of shit.

Your sense of taste? We know

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agreed. sucks that we will never see a movie like this again. unfair criticisms even to this day. youtube video essay "influencers" were a mistake.

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>3 years later people are still talking about this movie
>Endgame will be forgotten in a couple weeks like all marvel flicks before it
Think about it

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Fuck it, I never wanted to touch a dc movie outside of man of steel which I loved but you've convinced me

honestly endgame has pretty much been forgotten outside of box office autism and the occasional person saying "I loved x 3000"

This movie was fucking retarded. Superman is practically invincible while Batman is just a rich guy with some toys and martial arts training. There is no scenario where Batman lasts even an instant in a fight with Superman. Just a few examples:

- "You want to fight, Batman? Great, let's fight...ON THE MOON!" Boom....instant dead Batman.

- "You want to fight, Batman? Great I will start by HITTING YOU SO FUCKING HARD THAT YOUR BODY TURNS TO PLASMA!" Boom....instant dead Batman.

- "You want to fight, Batman? Great, I will just fly around the Earth so fast that I go back in time and I will destroy you before you even become Batman" Boom....now there won't ever even BE a Batman.

That is just three easy examples. I could go on and on but why bother?

I really liked how they portrayed Batman and Superman here.
I used to not like Superman that much due to him being too much of a boyscout, but to me this movie and MoS made him much more relatable and humane.
Batman had a great arc here, just this movie and we've witnessed a lot of his character already.
>guilt over Jason
>anger over parents
>confusion and self doubt with parents
>fear with Superman

Solvable problem. Enhance Batman with a mechanized suit, one just a bit fancier and stronger than the armor in the movie, and slightly nerf Superman so he's about on the same level as Thor.

Remember how Iron Man and Thor are evenly matched in Avengers 1?

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