He did nothing wrong. Watch this movie from the Egyptians' perspective and he comes off as more pragmatic and focused on balance and order than villainous.
Plus, anyone would be rightfully pissed with all the things that happen to his people over the course of the movie, especially all the firstborn sons (his included) up and dying in the middle of the night.
>t. Mahmoud
Everything was G*d's fault
dude just let my people go lmao
It's a christcuck/jew movie. He didn't want to be the weak link that ruined his nation and brought shame to his family name.
Abraham garbage thinks things like honor,pride and duty are simply arrogance, because humans are dogshit who need to be humble and grovel before the lord. God even said he can't reason with pharaoh because he is a man with convictions, he can't use fear or bribes to cause him to betray his family and nation.
Keanu Reeves as Moses needs to be a thing
Hey didn't moses kill someone? The chosen one is a murderer?
If picard was still in charge none of this would have happened. He was right about ramsese
abrahamisms of all shades do not preclude honor, they preclude pride before godliness and say that sin comes from activities that do not honor god first.
this does not mean dishonor your country, it means honour a country that honors god.
this is just religion's coded way of saying to honor only those things which are born of true purpose
i.e. don't have sex for the sake of sex, have sex to "honor god", in other words, fulfill it's purpose - to start a family and to maintain your marriage.
don't eat, just to eat, that makes fat people.
the abrahamic god didn't kill pharao's country for not accepting bribes, he killed it for being pagan.
say what you will about paganism but THAT'S the HONEST interpretation, not this propaganda about bribery and villainy.
moses paid for this by dying lost in the desert.
>pharoah was about to release the jews
> lol harden his heart
how was moses and god the good guys again
Too deep for you, stick to capeshit religion like Nordics
>dude the bad guys in insert_movie aren't bad if you look at things from the bad guys point of view
>dude up isn't actually up if you look from the upside-down point of view
Muslims aren't big on Pharaohs. In fact it seems like in the Arabic world Pharaoh is often used the way we'll use Hitler or Dictator or Napoleon (before Hitler). ISIS or similiar jihadists as well as leftist Arabs will use Pharaoh as a pejorative against Sisi or Mubarak and so on
God doesn't harden his heart in this movie.
Come to think of it, Moses does some pretty fucked up things in the later parts of Exodus and in the following books.
Read Exodus 4:24-26 for a good laugh, haha. Sucks to be that dude's kids.
>christcuck rationalizations based on paganized christianity
read the ladder of divine ascent, or really any philosopher or religious historians take nietzsche+ It's a cult that prys on the slave caste (most fanatical inherent being neurotic woman) and demands extreme humility. The ideal christian is not a sinless one, but one who literally does not know when he is sinning. A lamb totally dependent on God who has reverted back to the state prior to eating the fruit of knowledge of good and evil. If you want your easy ticket to heaven get a lobotomy and start shitting your pants like the cretin God wants you to be.
Christianity is a direct inversion of indo-European values, so incompatible with the world it had to be mutated into a lukewarm caricature of itself to keep the adherents from all dying out, as they took it to logical Gnostic conclusions and stopped reproducing.
how is light the fastest thing in the universe? because those are the rules, and the rest of reality will rearrange itself to maintain the rules.
if you go faster than light, you exit reality.
Why was God going to kill Moses?
*panting sounds*
That's actually cool to know but obviously one can be an imperfect egyptian muslim or even an egyptian atheist and still have the name mahmoud, so my joke holds true.
you don't know what a rationalization is.
Based retard
Based smart person
>the ideal christian is not a sinless one, but one who literally does not know when he is sinning.
if that were true there would be no proselytizing
>it had to be mutated into a lukewarm caricature of itself
no it didn't, you just never understood it. if it did, what you're implying is that it evolved, and is therefore not the direct inversion you claim it to be, and now you have to prove why this evolved christianity is still just as bad.
He's not. He's seeking to kill Pharaoh's firstborn.
kjvtoday.com
I know exactly what a rationalization is, it's what christcucks constantly do when they find parts of their evil religion that is contrary to everything that is obviously right and true. it's why you have a million different fringe sects who interpret passages to mean the exact opposite of each other. If you look at the history of early christians and monastaries before the romans paganized the faith to not be full retard you would know the most cucked interpretation is always the correct one. When jesus says turn the other cheek he isn't meaning some obscure insult, he is saying literally let them kill you. When he says there is no longer jew or greek, man or woman he doesn't mean in some all are equal before God shit, but that in the new age none of that shit matters, all christcucks are called to turn their brains off, divorce themselves from all passions, reject all virtues ( as this is vainglory) and start eating grass and letting jesus shepherd them like the sheep they are.
Yeah true enough. Also when it's Jews vs Egyptians it's difficult to say where an Arab would fall. They've got a real wewuzIsraelitesnsheet (Afghans used to claim they were a lost tribe of Israel - until 1948 then they stopped claiming it for some reason) but they also love anyone who fights jews.
Moses was one of like two people that didn’t die according to the bible.
>who is Elijah
>who is Enoch
Also, Moses' death is recorded in the last chapters of Deuteronomy, lolwut
I think you've overdosed on Nietzsche, pal. Might be worth looking at other perspectives before you ideologically pigeonhole yourself any further.
>Bad guys
>Not Jews
>slave owners
>not objectively morally bad
>everything that is obviously right and true
Ah, it's going to be one of those conversations.
Yeah he was just looking out for his people, Just like Moses was looking out for the long-nose tribe.
MOSES SUPPOSES HIS TOESES ARE ROSES!
BUT MOSES SUPPOSES, ERRONEOUSLY~!
MOSES, HE KNOWSES HIS TOESES AREN'T ROSES, AS MOSES SUPPOSES HIS TOESES TO BE~!
Based OP starting a thread I can post this pic in
I love that video. So cute.
>if that were true there would be no proselytizing
>people who aren't Christians don't have codes of ethics
They don't spend much time proselytizing the brain damaged because they are already saved.
>evolved
>the word of God
yeah just like Islam evolved christianity lmao the absolute state of christcucks.
lmao. It's subversion. You don't convert pagans to Christianity, you simply Pagan Christianity. Which is why you have pagan gods becoming mythical saints and embodying heroic values. Modern Christians keep trying to conform Christianity to the world, or the world to Christianity, when it's actually a counter world to the world. It's revolutionary and genuinely as crazy as you are convinced it can not be. that's why it's a dead religion. no one is capable of having genuine faith in it anymore. That's why YOUR GOD IS DEAD. every christian is larping. either intentionally because they think it will somehow "save the west" or some shit, or because they are extremely neurotic and use it to cope.
t. nigger
>literally unironically factually the "x bad" meme
>that's why YOUR GOD IS DEAD.
cringe
just read more theology bro
>I have no concept of the spirit
of course you don't. if I need to appeal to your base darwinist worldview I'll just point to inherited phobias to illustrate how tabula rasa is a modernist meme and people have natural a conscience that lets things resonate with them or act as an anathema. usually all subversion can do is make a crude caricature of this nature by replacing it with insincere and inauthentic perceptions of social capital.
the word of god doesn't evolve, our understanding of it does.
do you even forms and shapes bro?
>clarify what god is dead means outside gaytheist memes
>too sunk (versunke) in life to see it.
>that salad word
>still said absolutely nothing
>entire post is basedon assumptions
Yes, exactly that kind of conversation. You're just gonna spout random stuff totally unrelated to what is being told to you and walk out believing that you won because you said more things than the rest, even though you actually said nothing of value. This is gonna be a long thread.
>the word of god doesn't evolve, our understanding of it does.
T.jews writing the talmud to justify everything forbidden in the Torah. It's almost like this is why they needed a messiah.
>Christianity is constantly getting better and more accurate bro!
who the fuck would believe this besides televangalist charlatans.
he should have just killed all the jews
>MOOOOSSEEEEES
>MOOOOOOOOOOSEEEEEEEEES
>I'm not farmiliar with the source material! you need to put these things in terms I can understand!
My posts aren't for you brainlet, i'm not trying to have an argument or convince anyone, i'm simply posting aphorisms and those that relate to them can have a fruitful discussion with me. Did you know debate is a Sin?
the fact that you used those words in that style and expected it to mean something outside of a hollywood movie is what is awkward.
the fact that there are still abrahamists of every shape lovingly worshipping a singular entity and calling it god is why god is not dead, even if you don't like them.
this is santa claus shit, you learned it as a toddler.
>be god
>don't just appear in front of the pharao and tell him how it is
>instead, send some bum
>AND harden the pharao's heart
Seems to me he just wanted to send the plagues
>God tells Moses to betray his brother
does it
>God tells jesus to betray his people
does it
Lot's of backstabbing going on in this religion. How long until someone sides with the devil and stabs god in the back? You reap what you sow after all.
>it's another /r/atheism thread disguised as a Yea Forums Prince of Egypt thread
>the fact that there are still abrahamists of every shape lovingly worshipping a singular entity and calling it god is why god is not dead, even if you don't like them
Very dumb and naive user. I already explained it's all a larp. God isn't dead in some sects of Islam however, but the abrahamic interpretation God is certainly dead in the west. No one has genuine faith. The supreme truth of the modern west is a loose Darwinistic scientism, everything else is treated as a novelty that's not really "real" even Christians like E Micheal Jones have pointed this out.
UHM NO MOM IM NOT AN ATHEIST IM PAGAN PRAISE ODIN
>jews writing the talmud to justify everything
and non-jews, not doing that stuff.
how does that negate what i said
>Christianity is constantly getting better and more accurate bro!
i didn't say this
also, how does that negate what i said :^)
im just trying to get you to understand the rules of the game. im not proselytizing.
if you're going to debunk christianity, you need to know the rules.
honestly, i get in these fights to learn something. i already know the benefits and pitfalls of pagan religion as well as most monotheism. im looking for you to convince me that abrahamism is *particularly* illogical.
Glad this retard and his followers got banned lmao
Justify owning another human being. Saying "nigger" isn't an argument.
lel he got what was coming for him, too bad the movie pussy out of killing him just like the ten commandment movie did for weird hollywood reason.
no seriously why did they keep him alive, rather then drowning him with the rest like the bible said?
>t. christcuck
>abrahamism is *particularly* illogical.
It isn't, just Christianity. Start looking into perennialism, of the northern and southern spirit.
>and non-jews, not doing that stuff.
what? I was drawing a comparison to attempting to use human logos to continuously tweak a religion, and the irony of trying to implement this in Christianity considering the historical Jewish precedent of rationalizing their way out of following the law. Christianity believes human nature is inherently, and massively flawed. You literally NEED jesus, you can't do this shit on your own. The law was "fulfilled" because it wasn't serving it's purpose. People were literally incapable of following it, they were incapable of being good.
>i didn't say this
You said Christianity continues to evolve, that people are constantly unraveling the truth by studying the nature of the universe (and the faith) like Platos forms. This would imply that Christianity is currently better understood now than it has ever been, as you rejected my claim that it was subverted and paganized over and over again and hardly resembles the original, intended, and accurate faith. imo it was already dead before the church, it died when people started writing fan fiction and splintering off into all kinds of gnostic/stoic etc hybrid faiths.
He worshipped false gods and had an army of wizards
it's the jewish god. par for the course
>actually admitting that Christians are more moral
Hmm.....
Slavery was the most effective way of spreading the christian religion than anything else. Slavery brought people to God and brought them the gift of humility. Slaves are blessed because they are less attached to the material world, indeed their blessed chains restrain them from indulging in some of the most heinous sins and have their eyes on the prize, an eternal life in heaven. Slaves are lucky, the rich man is cursed because he is called to relinquish all possessions and become poor to get into heaven. in truth, it is not the noble who is lucky for his lot in life it is the slave. how dare you deny slaves the life on earth God has personally chosen for them? A life that makes the road to eternal life so much smoother than the others? You should not be envious, but joyous that God is so merciful to us unworthy humans.
>Ramses claims to be a god
>God(tm) comes in and teaches him a lesson
>"THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING, I'M IN CHARGE HERE"
Talk shite, get smite.
it's an obvious jewish power fantasy
>a-and then out god BTFO of Ra HAHAHAHA
if you have a critical eye it's easy to tell what parts the jews made up themselves and what parts were lifted from other faiths like zoroastrinism. protip: anything philosophically profound or spiritual in nature isn't jewish. All the stuff about autistic laws about not sewing things with two fabrics and jews are the chosen people is however, 100% authentic jewish faith.
What's it called, again?
I haven't watched it in forever
What I’m trying to figure out is how the hell were those guys able to do magic if they were worshiping Ra. That always seem like the dumbest story I ever heard
youtube.com
Here you go user.
The only thing I can think of while watching this movie is that god is a psychopath who kills millions because he's bored. If he wants da joos to be free then why not just release them?
Demons exist in Christianity. God never denied the existence of the "gods" of other religions, he just claimed they were false gods. Fallen angels or whatever. Some argue he divided the world up between his subordinates with their authority on purpose and took Israel for himself, eventually deciding to take the whole world under his control with Christianity.
Did you see Christian Bale’s movie about exodus? The angel of God was some little boy stomping his feet and saying I want them all on their knees. I think that’s pretty accurate
He doesn't want to interfere with "muh free will" so he can't just change pharaohs heart on a whim. he has to kill all the kids in Egypt instead.
If demons and shit exist then why can’t people do magic today. It’s a stupid made up a bunch of bullshit mythology. Nobody can do any kind of magic don’t matter if they pray to God or they don’t.
But if you read the Bible he does just that. God hardened his heart, the pharaohs I mean. Because he wants to kill those children.
>If demons and shit exist then why can’t people do magic today
They can and they do. Magic doesn't work the way you think it does. Alternatively, it's all a sham and we should all be atheists and worship our advertised pop culture depictions of science.
if your problem with christianity is that corrupt people have the ability to "change" it, how on earth can you justify any kind of european paganism which
1) necessarily must change as human sacrifice is out
2) necessarily will continue to as it spreads to corrupt people
there is no such thing as popularity without corruption and stupidity
Very cute, but you did not justify owning another person. You only described the virtues of being a slave and being humble. Not the justification for being an owner.
There weren't even any slaves building the pyramids. They were workers and they were feed and paid well, they even had a little village to live in.
In the actual Bible, the Ra guys turn a staff into a fucking snake. You think if that was actually possible it’d be on YouTube. Or, more likely, it’s all made up
OY VEY THINK OF THE 40 GORILLION EGYPTIAN SLAVES
The thing with paganism is, they didn't even "change" anything but rather made it all up last century, based on skimming through ancient texts mainly written by Christian sources. They are a pathetic lot.
jews weren't slaves in egypt at any point of human history
they can. magic doesn't mean parlor tricks and illusions
I don’t think they were either, but the Bible says they were. Because it just made up nonsense
So the Bible was lying about them turning the staff into a snake and shit like that? How can you believe in that shit
probably. jews are known liars
human sacrifice wasn't part of most european pagan religions
Jesus was a jew. Really makes you think
Everybody knows that. I’ll never worship a Jew I don’t care if I have to burn in hell
They were but at that point they were pagans. Not Jews. And like others have said, they never built any pyramids-- skilled laborers did.
If you want some religious perspective on the real history of what the bible talks about (given it's told in scripture entirely through the lens of the religious mysticism of ancient Jews), here's something to consider. I'm just speaking from my side of the fence with this one, but...
m.ncregister.com
>this does not mean dishonor your country, it means honour a country that honors god.
cyclical reasoning. It would only be "honorable" to honor a country that DOESN'T honor God since that's the only choice that exists. "Honoring a country that honors god" is just honoring God alone, not the country.
>the abrahamic god didn't kill pharaoh's country for not accepting bribes, he killed it for being pagan.
No, he killed it for not letting his chosen people go. Pharaoh's heart was hardened as well, and it's written to imply that Yahweh himself did that. There were plenty of countries that Yahweh didn't do anything to despite his chosen people of Israel existing.
>God doesn't harden his heart in the movie
That's true. youtube.com
(4:00). But he does in the Torah and bible. And the god in the film supposedly the same god, so why send Moses in anyways knowing Pharaoh will refuse?
Even christian apologists can't escape this. At best they can say "it's ambiguous" or "Pharaoh's heart was hardened by something else first!" but that doesn't answer the question at all.
Is light the fastest because of a rule, or because it is simply the fastest thing to be measured? Which comes first and how do you know?
It's evident, however, that they were taken as captives in Babylon, and much of the OT is written by post-exile authors. Ezra-Nehemiah talks about the post-exile reformation and the building of the second temple in Jerusalem (which was later destroyed by the Romans, the first by the Babylonians).
>there is no such thing as popularity without corruption and stupidity
Which is why actual religions are esoteric and nature and the exoteric shit is basic shit for the masses. Most priest caste pagans didn't literally believe in a pantheon of super heroes like the masses, (although they were free to have more literal interpretations) the myths were to communicate supra-natural truths in an easily digestible heuristic. Poseidon is the embodiment of the intrinsic nature of the sea (among other things) first and a superhero second.
My problem is not simply that it Christianity "changed" (although this IS a problem if it isn't communicating the same truths in different forms) My problem is that it was fundamentally altered to no longer serve its purpose. it was paganized to be more compatible with the world, because dirt poor monks don't make the world go round and late decadent romans wanted to exploit the docile nature of poor Christians, they were viewed as easy to govern.
If panganism were christianized it would fundamentally stop being pagan (pagan is a retarded term btw but there is more in common with literally every old religion than with Christianity, which was genuinely revolutionary)
Don't get me wrong, i'm glad christianity was paganized, at least the larpers are allowed to be virtuous, and don't strive to rid themselves of passions like loving you children or mastering a skill.
nah. there's no evidence that hebrews were ever enslaved in egypt, regardless of their religion
holy fucking based
>Black
South Park covered this. Yahwey was wrong
that what a pagan would say
Kinda fucked up how God was so pissed off at the Jews that He rekt Israel's shit with Babylonians and exiled them into slavery. But also kinda based.
>When jesus says turn the other cheek he isn't meaning some obscure insult, he is saying literally let them kill you. When he says there is no longer jew or greek, man or woman he doesn't mean in some all are equal before God shit, but that in the new age none of that shit matters, all christcucks are called to turn their brains off, divorce themselves from all passions, reject all virtues ( as this is vainglory) and start eating grass and letting jesus shepherd them like the sheep they are.
HOLY FUCKING BASED
pussy
In 2 Kings 22 it describes how they just miraculously found the book of the law, or the Torah. So obviously someone just made it up
show me the historical evidence then. Even modern Jews admit that Exodus was a complete fabrication. There is nothing written down in any Egpytian text, wall, plaque, or stone that says "Jews were slaves here" or "wow massive slave revolt the other day" or "holy crap 10 plagues hit us and now the jews are gone!"
the only potential credence it gives Exodus (after countlessly admitting it's incredibly "sketchy" again and again) is that "you wouldn't make it up" since it puts Jewish origin story as one of slavery.
But Jews would have great reason to have that as an origin story. They got ruled and rolled over by countless other societies (Rome especially), so it echoes the Jewish existence. It places all the power in worshipping Yahweh instead of any other god, and makes it so that straying from the religion is the worst thing that could ever happen since that would make Yahweh mad.
So you admit they made it up.
Start worshiping Ra dude, egypt had all sorts of initiation rituals and magic training. You can't just give Ra lipservice or be some long faggot who figures it all out for themselves.
Ironically, in the movie they heavily imply that the egyptian magic was fake. But they don't apply that same skepticism to the jewish magic.
But in the actual Bible that doesn’t happen
>Ironically, in the movie they heavily imply
>imply
are you fucking retarded? they paint them as simple magicians doing slight of hand tricks. They have a whole fucking song about it. Of course it would be problematic for the modern normal fag audience to see the Egyptians doing real magic.
That’s true, but in the Bible, it doesn’t imply any of that. They do actual magic and the Jew gods magic was just stronger in the story
Jews were never slaves in Israel
They were pretty much forced to leave because they had slowly but surely taken the best lands for themselves along the Nile and were becoming increasingly seditious
Then famine hit and all the locals got fed up of some foreigners squatting on the beat land available and they were forced out
Please,no
Although a good idea, recently we've got that stupid lame ass shitty flick about Moses starring Bale
It's weird how the Pharaoh gets referred to as simply "Pharaoh".
What was his name?
Ramsés II
It's implied through the visuals and their body language, the movie never outright tells you that they are fake. They let you see it yourself, hence "implication."
Nothing "actually happened" in the bible... it's a story book.