If god is all poweful, he cannot be all-good, if he's all-good, he cannot be all poweful

>If god is all poweful, he cannot be all-good, if he's all-good, he cannot be all poweful.

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have faith

how men treat their fathers is how they view God as well

first one is not inherently correct. second one is

This argument has been debated for literal centuries and you think you'll find anything insightful or new in a movie revolving around a man in a bat costume fighting a man in red and blue spandex over mutual daddy/mommy issues?

Snyder wasn't there for centuries.

*hits the vape pen.

he doesnt explain why it cant be all good. making the second sentence meaningless

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it was literally a carbon copy of epicurus's paradox you retard.

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fuck this is accurate for me

it implied that he was referenced it to the relationship with his father, he was all poweful an evil while lex was a powerless good little christian boi, that's why he hates superman so much, because despite being a literal god he decided to use his power to help humanity

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so black people atheiist?

faith is gay

My dad killed himself

interesting prospect

nonexistent :(

thanks euthyphro

This quote is wrong. It's missing a variable. If God is all powerful, but unwilling to stop evil then he is not good. If God is willing to stop evil, but cannot then he is not all powerful. If he is both willing and all powerful then why does evil exist?

>smartest man on the planet
>makes blatant logical fallacy

Nietzsche was right.

Is the "God must be subject to humanity's laws of good and evil" the biggest brainlet indicator of all time?

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Makes more sense if you apply it to "God" as it was known in the time of Epicurus, that quote is usually used as a fallacy against the Abrahamic concept of God

God owes me a shitload of money in child support, and is faking a heart attack to avoid working?

Very true, user.

>Everyone has that special woman in their lives. Martha Martha Martha
WHY DID YO-
WHY DID YO-
WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME

And its still shit user

THE RED CAPES ARE CUMMING THE RED CAPES ARE CUMMING
>thrum thrum thrum

Because of humanity's own fuckup. God doesn't want humans to be his pets, that's why they have free will.

>Epicurus owning Christcuck jew worshippers in fucking 300 BC

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Or maybe there is no sentient omnipotent being to wipe your pants and deal with your identity crisis at all. What a crazy idea, I know.

Totally understood the reddit atheist philosophy. Lex has always been Rick and Morty tier.

Lex is a pseud. That's part of his character. He gets dabbed on by actual intelligent arguments.

Mine died when I was 6?

lex is a titty-baby

Blessed and Christpilled

Epicurus's proof against god has been debated for centuries. This half-literate mangling has only been laughed at.

He needs to clean his room.

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That's because Lex is a cynic with tunnel vision when it comes to Superman. Lex should be able to tell that Clark Kent is Superman when he's talking to him, but he doesn't because the thought of someone as powerful as Superman masquerading as a clumsy human is incomprehensible to him.

dont end statements with question marks you absolute fucking faggot?

if you actually applied epicurus to superman, lex would have to sound even more retarded than he did in that scene. as superman is demonstrably not all powerful, or all good, and willing to try to stop evil.

so they edited it down to try to make it seem less stupid. but of course its still utterly moronic, as, again, superman is constantly being demonstrated as significantly less than all powerful.

lex knows clark is superman in bvs, my ESL chum.

i should listen to you?

I honestly didn't remember that. Like much of BvS.

based and true.
When they are holding that gala at lex's place, he says to Bruce wayne meets clark kent, I love bringing people together...
Shakes Clark's hand and while patting his chest says, "You do not want to pick a fight with this guy."

whoops, you get it..

>God wants humans to have "Free Will"
>traps them in a body where their will is anything but free

what did he mean bt this

Sorry, bro, god is kinda shit when it comes to any form of science. Let the dude have his flaws, c'mon! He's, like, died for your (formerly his) sins and all that.

>There is already an inrrefutable argument against your desert hostile kike religion
>You still decide to worship it because muh romans and muh rich people

And this movie is just all terrible

>ugh why should I worship an invisible sky wizard? I have better things to do, like sneedposting and masturbating to traps. People who need god are savage sheeple ugh

Neither are inherently correct. There exists no non-religious reason why anything is morally good or bad.

FPBP

the 11th commandment was "thou shalt not sneed" after all.

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This is correct because rights are derived from God. Atheists have no morality.

>His God is a Canaanite storm God from the bronze Age
Why not Anu or Ishtar or something. There's a ton of gods to choose from that age, why would you pick a literal kike.

>The universe has no morality
Fixed that for you

The universe isn't a person so also technically correct, but in dealing with humans atheists cannot have morality. Any morality they claim to have is logically inconsistent.

Prostrate.

We both agree that morality doesn't exist, so therefore the religious don't have any "morality" either. In both atheist and religious people morality is simply a set of rules either defined by that individual or by a tradition they adhere to. Both are human inventions.

Just turn your brain off bro

if god cannot do something "evil" then he can't have all the power. there is a power to do evil, so in a way humans actually a power that god does not

>morality doesn't exist
Yes it does. It's based on unalienable rights given to us by God, since we are all made in the image and likeness of God, and everything that flows from those rights.

>God must be subject to humanity's laws of good and evil
Would you say that God, and belief in God is inherently illogical?

christcucks eternally btfo, centuries before their rabbi was created

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You might be onto something there

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I like this autist

>It's based on unalienable rights given to us by God
not that user, but how do you know?
>since we are all made in the image and likeness of God
How do you know this one too?

>replying to yourself

wrong

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>”bad” things happen so God doesn’t exist

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Read Thomas Aquinas.

>replying to your buddies from r/atheism

This. If god exists why am I still an incel?

>I can't get a gf so God doesn't exist
>if God is real then how did Drumpf win

You can't tell me yourself? Why not?

cope
Why does Yahweh let children get raped? There really don't seem to be a good reason for it.

Why do atheists stick up for muslim rape gangs if child abuse is so evil?

Why do roasties abort their children?

Answer the question. I wouldn't stick up for a Muslim rape gang, I think Muslims are retards and I also think rape is wrong.

>people do evil things to themselves and others.

>"why did you let me do that!?"

Why would a supposedly loving omnipotent figure even give creations the ability to do wrong?

Are you saying roasties are comparable to God? They abort because they're stupid or at least don't want to raise children. Why does Yahweh let children get raped?
>>"why did you let me do that!?"
So a child that is raped was just... doing it to themselves? If you saw a child being raped, you wouldn't stop the rapist?

>by God
What god?

Your atheist friends disagree with you because they want to pwn da christards

because he didn't have the patience to deal with your shit, Greg.

>"good" things happen so God exists

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There’s only one.

Okay sure, now answer the question you triggered faggot. Why does Yahweh let children get raped?

>and others

>lol fucking shitstians are retarded you don't need god you need science
>wtf? two genders? fuck you science is a white male construct!

Dunno, my work colleague has a god and that fellow didn't give him any rights. So we already have at least two gods. And yours is a faggot.

Why are you so homophobic, libcuck?

Why do atheists pretend to care about baby rape when they are pro-abortion?

There are secular pro-lifers. Fuck off with that nonsense.

so christians are the only ones capable of saying that male and female exist?
Well, that's just wrong! Because in Christ Jesus, there is no gender... Galatians 3:28.
Don't believe me? Post the verse in the thread lmao you won't
I hate abortion. Why does God allow CHILDREN to be RAPED?
ANSWER THE QUESTION.

because if the baby is born they would go to jail for raping it.

So deep. Snyder truly is a generational genius.

>pretends to care about human existence
>wants half of the world dead for believing different things from him

Same reason why He allows libcucks like you to exist. Some people were just created for Hell.

What about women?

>wants half of the world dead for believing different things from him
I'm assuming this is bait?

I'm pretty sure Hell was closed. Get your mythology straight, you moron.

No. Atheists want people that inconvenience them dead

Oh so you're retarded

> The Abrahamic God believes in free wil-

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lol cope harder, fedora

For an atheist that would be true. But many religions have reasons why moral claims are true. Reasons where if the reason is true then the moral claim is true. There exists no such non-religious reasons.

"I dislike/like this thing" is not a reason why anything is morally good or bad. Even if true it will not provide a reason why people should or should not do something regardless of what they want to do.

I know you're just assblasted because you don't have an answer, and you think you look stupid for not having an answer, but still:
>Some people were just created for Hell.
Why?
So... why does God allow children to be raped?

I don't believe in his religion, but if his religion is true then the moral claims are true. If it is true or not is another discussion entirely. But he could believe that some things are morally good or bad if he believes in his religion.

My dad's a really cool dude and we get along well. I don't believe in a god.

There is no morality with religion either. You have now way of knowing if you're interpreting the "rules' as they were intended. Is it a literal reading? Do they change over time? It's just whatever people choose. Same bullshit.

bravo Nietzche

Best post. Repent and confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, Yea Forums

Why do atheists make such a big deal about child rape when most pedos are atheists?

Honestly, I am genuinely unsure if there are unironic christians on this webzone given that any argument between you and the fedora tippers results in strawmen the size of skyscrapers.

>be good God-fearing Christian
>told all is possible through the lord
>pray to have leg returned
>god refuses to do it

but why

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>when most pedos are atheists
Kek, I surely hope you aren't catholic.

Whatever you say, fedorator.

Just answer the question, friend. Maybe call your god and ask him for help, I don't know.

>it is impossible for an atheist to be part of the church in order to get closer to children

Why don't you have an answer? You just come across as really, really faggy.
>Why does God let kids get raped?
>>y-you like rape!
>Why does God let kids get raped?
>>y-you just want everyone to die!
>Why does God let kids get raped?
>>y-you are a pedo!
It really begs the question: why does God let kids get raped?
Just say you don't know if you don't know, ffs user
rephrased:
>>be good God-fearing Christian
>told all is possible through the lord
>get raped as a child
but why
why would god let that happen?

what god was he talking about anyway?
wasnt ancient greece politheistic?

Our Lord is too busy fighting a celestial battle to keep us safe from foreign Invaders in the cosmos. Don't give up user

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>Children are able to consent
>Children are not for fucking
Which is it, fedoraman?

>that's why they have free will.
I thought the devil did that

it's the second one for sure, now why doesn't God agree?

muh philosophy for brainlets. God is both good and evil, God is all things.

God is not some strong alien from krypton or whatever. That's the most stupid idea of God ever.

>atheists come across a difficult question that shatters their worldview
>shitpost in order to not answer it
lol

Why did the Christian God send some poor guy to get horribly murdered to save people? Why didn't he just snap his fingers and do it? He's all-powerful.

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You're a funny guy, user

After listening to new atheist on jewtube, reading up on r/atheism (feel unclean afterwards) and thinking about it, ive come to a conclusion.

Atheism isn't a religion since it holds no virtues to it, its not a philosophy because its near incomprehensible to believe, its not even an ideology because almost all atheism hold the same contradicting viewpoints that nullifuly each other.

Atheism is a failed reproductive strategy from weak ugly men who think their intelligence will make them attractive to the opposite sex. Sas think is, the average atheist will, on average, have average or below average intelligence.

>children are not for fucking
>most pedos are atheists
lol

You're talking nonsense. It's all make-believe, the rules are whatever you want them to be. Then, if you manage to convince enough people that your setting is hip, you will get yourself a new confession. I'm not talking about that being a good thing or a bad thing, I just wanted to state that religion has absolute monopoly on morality within its reach.

>bad things only ever happen because of atheists
no one believes themselves to be evil and evil men commonly believe they are right with the lord.

it's the christcuck that avoids the question of "why does God let child rape exist?"
If he didn't send yeshua bar-mariam, we uh... uh... we... umm....

>facts scare me

Does your god allow you to use such lexicon?

ok so why does God let all these atheists fuck children?
>reddit spacing
Almost every political leader, dictator, conqueror was an atheist (or at the very least viewed religion as for little people).

Muh God cannot be evil brainlet argument. Evil and good are human concepts. An omnipotent God has to encompass all things and even non things.

The idea that God is just some 'good' dude in the sky that judges you is a child's idea.

>bad things only ever happen because of atheists
They do. Atheists don't believe in an afterlife so they do whatever they want and then blame christians

It's very similar to Santa Claus actually

Didn't know God was addicted to Civilization V and World of Tanks.

go read up on some of the catholic molestation cases. all the perpetrators had pretty clear cut rationalizations on why it was perfectly fine to sodomize little boys.

>sizzling fedoras can't handle a debate
Make sure you donate to Hitchens or whoever

>bad things only ever happen because of christians
They do. Christians believe in an afterlife so they do whatever they want and then ask for redemption

your worldview is that of an eight year old. what are you doing on this site.

Sounds like atheistic reasoning to me

>no u!
The pinnacle of atheist reasoning

Why does God let children get raped? This has been asked TWELVE TIMES and yet no answer...

Nope. A pigheaded non belief in God is as stupid. Atheists are as stupid as christcucks. They both believe or disbelieve that God is some judge. They cannot progress beyond that stupid as fuck concept. You are a brainlet.

no, not really.

he's just trolling for (you)s and making christcucks look even worse than they already do
okay so why does God let children get raped?

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there is no concept of god that is not either incredibly simple or a rat's nest of doublethink and logic circles.

Because God is both the child being raped and the rapist that rapes the child.

There's your answer, ya dumb atheist faggot.

its summer, there's no reason to think people aren't exactly as stupid as they seem

so describe god. how does god work, what can humans do with god, etc

another bvs thread? i thought Yea Forums had finally gotten over the meme... baka

There is. You just haven't figured it out yet.

>Because God is both the child being raped and the rapist that rapes the child.
So you're a pantheist who thinks God is in everything? Okay, so what's the point of God? Seems like you could just as easily say God is in nothing. What's the point of god?
good point

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my lord this movie is kino

How do you know there is an omnipotent god?

Believing in god simply because you believe there is something you don't understand is pretty shaky. As your shitty monkey brain won't grasp pretty much any aspect of the universe.

Nope not a pantheist. You need to put people in boxes because you're dumb. God is in nothing is stupid as fuck. Take 10 years to think about it then maybe you'll figure why it's too stupid or maybe not.

What is the point? There is no point, God wanted to God, that's it.

Summer has barely begun and you 12 year old faggots are already shitting up the board with fucking religion debates of all things. If you're going to act aggressively retarded on Yea Forums then post some fucking waifus while you're at it.

are you sure about that? I had a nice conversation with a guy about this recently. Let me explain

>you are a programmer for a video game
>you write a physics engine and load up sentient AI into a world
>the AI can observe the equation you wrote for velocity, acceleration, gravity, etc.
>they can mimic the natural laws and create technology
>they observe what are the natural laws which remain constant
HOWEVER
>the programmer can just make a car float 2 feet off the ground for no reason. He doesn't have to make it logically explainable to the AI via the physics engine. It just says somewhere in his programming "make this car float".
>The AI can observe and test the floating car and never find an explainable reason for why it floats because they cannot just dig a hole and magically find the lines of code which define their reality
>similarly the programmer can load and destroy matter at will despite not allowing the AI to create or destroy energy/matter

This plays into the concept of logical tiers and dimensions if you want to go deeper

Carl Sagan explains it: youtube.com/watch?v=UnURElCzGc0

Here in the video is a good example in that a flat lander who exists only on a 2d plane may live on a plane that is shaped in a sphere. He will walk in a straight line and return to where he started but he could never logically deduce that it is because his plane is a sphere because he is physically incapable of perceiving 3d reality. Similarly, there are things which happen in our reality, like the relationship between the programmer and AI, that are based on different logic tiers. God may simply be at the highest logic tier and we cannot logically deduce his ways.

>'Is he able but not willing?'
>'Then he is malevolent'

Logical fallacy

Stupid retarded brainlet monkey projects his stupidity on someone else.

I don't 'believe' in God. I don't pray to God. I don't worship God. I don't believe in God just because there's things I don't understand. That's just stupid as fuck. That's what idiots like you do.

If you want to understand reality then you need to actually contemplate it instead of defaulting to brainlet atheist/christcuck concepts every 5 seconds.

you're describing a situation where "god" is still bound by the rules of code. Ya know, because you don't understand code. Thus, your example for god is not omnipotent.

no actual programmer would try to say god is a programmer.

>you're describing a situation where "god" is still bound by the rules of code
It's an easy to digest example of logic tiers at a relatable level that can be expanded to a macroscopic view of God.

If a programmer can have this relationship between the logic tier of a lower reality and his own and the 3D apple with the 2D square, then there is a possible place for there to be a God or being at the pinnacle of the logic tiers and is beyond our comprehension because it is in a reality we cannot perceive.

friend, codifying reality into logic tiers is just undermining the entire concept of omnipotence.

You're getting it. The part you need to rethink is when you say God is at the highest logic tier. That creates a problem of there being higher tiers. You cannot just say there's a highest tier as a rule. Who created that rule?

So the solution to that is that there are no tiers. God is both the simulator and also the simulated. God is playing a game with himself, there is no one else. There cannot be an omnipresent, omnipotent God that is external. So you are him. Keep that in mind and then think about your perspective and everyone else's perspective.

>you're getting it
>so here's some doublethink
>whoa your mind is so blown

Yeah, same.

My dad was a narcissistic asshole, kinda like the Jewish God from the bible when you think about it.

no, not really. Are you having trouble following along? Like Carl Sagan said, the 2D flatlander only knows about forward back, and left right, but cannot perceive up and down. That is the 3rd dimension.

Each dimension adds new logical rules and when the dimensions interact, they create anomalies which are seemingly impossible on the side of the receiving lesser dimension.

from the video:
>When the Apple speaks, the square looks around and sees no one in his home
>he hears someone talking from his insides

To us, omnipotence is impossible, sure. We are bounded in 3D suits of interacting molecules. Who is to say the 7th dimension beings cannot be omnipotent? You? Have you been there? We can't perceive their reality and how it interacts with ours.

If he is omnipotent, why hasn't he won the battle yet?

friend, the point you're failing to understand is there is no bridge to omnipotence. You may as well try to count to infinity.

>You're getting it. The part you need to rethink is when you say God is at the highest logic tier. That creates a problem of there being higher tiers. You cannot just say there's a highest tier as a rule. Who created that rule?
hypothetically he is the only true logic tier and his creation just exists beneath his own, creating the hierarchical logical system.

Honestly, we can't answer this question and its only a guess. We are bounded to this dimension's logic and can literally never know how God operates, lives, or does anything or how. It's simply a permanent mystery. I'm just trying to give basic examples to people who go
>b-but you can't break the laws of science! Check mate, christcucks!

God exist, but he doesn't care.

God exist, but he isn't omnipotent, nor the only being of his kind

>You need to put people in boxes because you're dumb.
Labels are important. You need to put things in boxes in order to have a concept of reality. You call people dumb but you yourself are the dumbest person in this thread.
>take 10 years
And how old are you, that you've discovered that God is everything but there isn't a point to anything but also saying God is nothing is stupid?
>here is no point
Nihilism? Really?
based, pic related
he has an everything-proof shield and an infinite ammo clip for his one-shot gun! na na na!

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the point is that nothing breaks the laws of the universe. everything operates according to an axiom.

>hurrr why is there suffering and evil in the world
because if there wasn't, we would be living in a paradise and guess what, according to Christian mythology we did, but then a woman came and ruined everything. The only thing more retarded than problem of evil is that God/stone paradox

What are you even saying? How do you specifically know that a higher dimension doesn't bridge into omnipotence? Like I asked, have you been there? No, you haven't and can't logically perceive omnipotence given 3D logic.

Funny you bring up infinity, which is a concept that makes no real sense because everything we know of is finite but infinity is a required concept for our finite math to make sense. Hmmmm.

>How do you specifically know that a higher dimension doesn't bridge into omnipotence?
from the basic definitions of every operative concept you're using?

you're basically trying to say you can count to infinity by tens/thousands/millions.

see the programer AI analogy I wrote here Only we cannot break the laws of our universe and its axioms because we are bounded to it and part of it. A higher logic tier being could hypothetically do something that breaks the laws of physics to us but not to him.

Some creature could hypothetically do something that just spawns matter out of thin air (to us), breaking the law.

>see the programer AI analogy I wrote here
I've already addressed why it is a bad analogy. Because doing something that is possible in the code is not omnipotence.

since god is all-knowing he must have known the snake would tempt Eve. Why would he even make a talking snake?
I think the answer is that ancient jews needed a mythological explanation just like all other pre-christians and just made one up, and borrowed elements from other stories like everyone else. They eventually became monotheistics (after Zoroastrians) and passed down their religious beliefs orally, then later on on tablets. That's why they don't seem to make much sense. Later on, a man says he fulfills one of the prophecies. There is a disagreement, and he is executed. A cult forms around this man, which allows non-jews access in order to boost membership. Rome falls and the cult spreads, and now here we are.

>from the basic definitions of every operative concept you're using?
you're not following at all. Again, we cannot perceive higher reality and its implications (such as if a higher reality creature could be omnipotent or count to infinity) just as a 2D being who lives on a sphere shaped plane could never perceive a sphere.

Friend, I think I have a better understanding of every concept your trying to employ as a bridge to omnipotence than you do. Including omnipotence. It doesn't matter what quantification you attempt to come up with, because you're trying to define something that is inquantifiable.

Again, it's a basic physically tangible example for an abstract concept that you can expand out into a macroscopic view of how plausibly logical tiers and their relationships would exist.

You're supposed to use inference here.

>God owes me a shitload of money in child support
Did you fuck your dad and have his kid or some shit? That isn't how it works.

code is not an abstract concept.

then explain

I just did. A few times.

holy shit, you're an idiot. The physically tangible example I was talking about was the AI-programmer example.

The abstract concept is applying the relationship to logic tier relationships between dimensions.

Destroyed by Euthryphro Dialogue in BC

No, you haven't. You're just making an assumption that there cannot be omnipotence because there cannot be omnipotence.

Why?

so the cement of your argument for the existence of something intangible and unquantifiable is the existence of something else intangible and unquantifiable.

Remember way back when where I said any concept of god is either simple or rats nests of double-think and logic circles?

My point was you can't build to omnipotence with a quantifiable concept. Its like trying to count to infinity. This is a tactic that can work on the small-minded, because once you get over a certain number they can't imagine anything higher, so that must be infinity.

I think you're actually out of your league right now. I've never actually had someone not get this very simple example before after explaining it.

This shitty website slide into all things rightwing ideology, has been a... sight.

These retards unironically believe a christian is edgy and punk now.

>when you don't understand metaphysics
check it out sometime. That is what this guy is training to explain to you from a different angle.

>God exist is the starting point. You have to provide evidence against it.

this meant for

no one understands metaphysics. just like no one understands infinity. or omnipotence.

Way to completely miss the subtleties of pharaoh’s story. The manners of speech used by people several thousand years ago need to be understood within the context of what they are speaking about. God didn’t literally zap mean-spiritedness into pharaoh’s heart. It is stated that pharaoh also hardened his own heart. Idiomatic language and overuse of active verbs is pervasive with the Old Testament. God permitted pharaoh’s heart to be hardened, but did not override his free will.
Why don’t you go read the numerous rebuttals to the problem of evil which have been put forth over the centuries? I personally subscribe to the idea that free will is intrinsically more valuable and better than a world full of automatons, and I believe God holds a similar value set. Horrific evil is the price we must pay for the privilege of existing and entering the kingdom of God through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. I accept this, and even if you don’t, the philosophy is sound. The better question is, “why is free will so highly valued?” I have no answer to that question, as I can not pretend to know the mind of God.

I think you're used to speaking to the simple minded. or listening to people speak to the simple minded.

>My point was you can't build to omnipotence with a quantifiable concept
>so the cement of your argument for the existence of something intangible and unquantifiable is the existence of something else intangible and unquantifiable.

The concept is that we can tangibly understand the relationship between the 3rd and 2nd dimension (a lesser dimension to our own) and use this as a reference point.

Omnipotence is as simple as having one big never blinking 3D eye looking at a plane of 2D creatures. Bam, omnipotence. Expand that upwards with dimensions. Omnipotence at higher and higher levels. Naturally to us, unquantifiable and explainable, but plausible.

>the numerous rebuttals to the problem of evil which have been put forth over the centuries
because they're all weak equivocation

*unquantifiable and unexplainble

But maybe he is and this explains our suffering?

...

>Why don’t you go read the numerous rebuttals to the problem of evil which have been put forth over the centuries?

I suspect you actually haven't. It is in all cases more retarded than modern day theology. Some go out of their way to construct fantastical systems to make sense of it.

> I personally subscribe to the idea that free will is intrinsically more valuable and better than a world full of automatons, and I believe God holds a similar value set.
That is just not consistent with any Abrahamic religious text.

I agree. For all we know God could throw all of us in hell after we die and there would be no way of knowing and no way of stopping it.

Hard to say really when you're not a genius but who knows? And who says he has to be a all good? "Pot talking shit to the Potter." Ever heard of Wrath? "Vengeance is mine?" I've always been a bit of a non believer and basic sinner. Drinker. Jerk off. Some pot. (if that's one) not sure about that either. (every seed bearing plant) but itt's a waste and $ time if you're not nauseated all the time imo.
But I think few know for sure...

Still now that I may die soon I asked for the Chaplin guy to come read me my last rites instead of nothing... Seems like a decent way to go out. If you're on deaths door in much pain. Wasn't catholic either.

And I grew up on damnation videos. And scary demon shit from 700 club that dumb ass grandma showed me but thought harry potter would nightmare me. That didn't nightmare me. Hell shit and family saying it can happen to you even if you're a christian gave me nightmares.

13 minutes in hell guy admitted to lying or got caught idk. But apparently he was supposed to be christian and they let me read that at about 13.

But I can't get past the 5th harry potter movie b4 I lose interest. Or books. Shiiet isn't it most popular among women? Movie wise? I get bored. Of this wizard shit.

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>Omnipotence is as simple as having one big never blinking 3D eye looking at a plane of 2D creatures.

for one thing, that's closer to omniscience. For another thing, flatland wasn't written as a proof of god. nor was sagan recounting it to prove god. flatland is mostly about the idea that our observational capacity is extremely limited, and most of what we can explain is in mathematics. we can't visualize certain things, or even see them, but we can prove they're there by observing and forming models that can predict observation.

But you're confusing this with metaphysics. because you don't have a solid understanding of anything you've been talking about.

kek

>based, pic related
my nigger

The point the other guy is trying to make (I believe) is that a theoretical highest tier of logic would necessarily have its own rules and boundaries, even if its rules were equivalent to omnipotence in any lower logic tier. So then who is to say, even this supposed god, that they occupy the highest tier of the hierarchy, and that there isn't simply higher tiers forever with no end. It's gods all the way up and all the way down, so there are no gods.
Of course one could say that god is the structure itself, but that feels like a cop out to me.

No it isn't, you retard

>for one thing, that's closer to omniscience
Oh yeah, you're right. I mixed those words up.

I know flatland wasn't written as a proof for God and I'm not trying to prove God. I'm just trying to explain the plausible extension of logic we can infer from what you're talking about (limited capacity for observation) and apply it to a potential for there to be a God.

friend, what you're describing is god of the gaps.

I think it can be argued that as you progress through the dimensions, you are granted more potential and capacity. So at the absolute highest level, you'd have all power and no limits.

Each dimension is a boundary as you said, but each one above has less boundaries. Extending this logic, going up and up, is there one without boundaries? I don't know, but it is plausible.

fug

/incel/ - internet celebrities

God of the gaps is saying God did it in the absence of science with a firm belief.

What I said is
a) I'm not trying to prove God
b) it is possible for seemingly impossible things to happen because our observational ability for logic is limited
c) I'm only trying to provide a logical plausibility for there to be a God or a super being(s) and that it would be beyond our comprehension.

Let me rephrase, there C O U L D be a God with my argument. I'm only providing logical plausibility (which you then choose to believe in via faith) and not evidence. For all we know, there are no living organisms at higher dimensions.

Since the point of contention was that good and evil morality comes from God, I think it's a pretty important thing for them to debate.

Your galaxy brain "guys, what if God isn't constrained to humanity's concepts of good and evil?" would have been laughed out of the room.

contrarianism isn't real

the resurgence in rabid christianity its really just an opportunistic infection. there's so much information that its overwhelming and none of it seems to mean anything. so people just go to the simple belief/answer systems rather than have to navigate a harsh and uncaring reality. there's also how it provides a nice enemy to rage against.

>rabid christianity
>opportunistic infection

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>it is possible for seemingly impossible things to happen
Oh yea, the other flaw in your programmer analogy. impossible things don't actually happen.

i like that tranny is the new fedora. it really makes you people look totally insane.

you have a better chance of getting struck by lightening than encountering a wild tranny.

My father beat me. So real one may as well. if he's real. I try to have faith. I just can't get that saved feeling I got as a child. Maybe it's just like a Santa thing I don't know. May have committed unforgivable sin. Though they're are different interpretations of that. I don't know. I don't know how to know.

Tried dmt a few times. Seen some scary shit, and heavenly. Still probably was in my head. Begin on drugs and all.

I was calling you a commie but whatever.

take note of the word "seemingly"

The AI sees a car floating in the air and to them, via their understanding of the physics engine, it is impossible, but only seemingly. There is an explanation for it. The guy wrote in the code somewhere "make this car float" but they could literally never just somehow find the source code lying around.

I hate my father for his abuse of authority and privileges but have no such feelings about god.
If anything I find the fantasy of justice being doled out by a supreme being to be enticing.

>the resurgence in rabid christianity its really just an opportunistic infection.
I am pretty sure it's related to right wing devolution the site has experienced in the last 9 or so years.

The secular libertarian phase during th Ron Paul years was a facade.

I live in Montreal and see them every day. Guess I'm due for a lightning strike.

I did you a favor by ignoring that word. Because the "seemingly" impossible can be explained, without metaphysics.

That’s utter nonsense. They address the issue and provide various solutions. If the solutions can be disregarded as meaningless tripe, so too can the original problem.
It can be easily inferred that God did not want automatons from any of the Abrahamic religious texts. Given that even in faiths with strong beliefs about predestination, the concept of free will holds importance, and it is said that we were created in the image of God, with the capacity for free will. How then, do the religious texts imply that God does not value free will?

I don't really agree with this line of reasoning, it seems irrational. Technically yes, a 2D man has more restrictions than a 3D man, so on and so forth. But I see no reason that this upward chain would be finite, even if that finite number was inconceivably large to the point that the logic tiers outnumbered atoms in the universe. Dimensions expand infinitely upward in a similar way that a universe expands infinitely outward, doesn't matter how far up you go there's always more room to go.

Blessed and Christpilled

>from any of the Abrahamic religious texts
nice projection christcuck/kike

>I make a point
>"I ignored a key word in your point to make a red herring."

Dude, literally what.

Like what the fuck. lmao

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>If the solutions can be disregarded as meaningless tripe, so too can the original problem.

The original problem is the existence of an all powerful all knowing all loving god.

Tell your father I said he's based.

>muh free will
oh nononono

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by seating your arguments for the existence of things that can't be explained, in things that can be explained, you're defeating them for me.

> with the capacity for free will. How then, do the religious texts imply that God does not value free will?
Because he intends to kill/torture/condemn anyone that does not comply? With then eventual end state being one where everyone complies.

>and it is said
When you read this, does it not sound cringe to you?

sounds like your work colleague is a filthy heretic user

that's the thing. We can't know, but are only left with possibilities. Who is to say numbers even work the same at higher dimensions and they are just expanding linearly like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc.

It’s probably some curryshitter

uh ok? That was kind of my point from the start, but with the addition that not always can the explanation for the unexplained be known given our bounded perception of reality.

>I don't know therefore god exist.
BUH BUH I AM NOT TRYING TO PROVE GOD EXIST JUST INSINUATING IT.

Which has been addressed, free will is good, much better than a world with “no evil,” therefore god is enacting the greatest good logically possible.
It was relevant within the context of the accusation that Abrahamic texts don’t imply free will has importance.

>a contradiction in terms is a matter of power
kek
If you just throw a few more gigawatts at the problem you can make 0 = 1

you understand that the behavior of the higher dimensions (that you clearly don't understand) can be predicted mathematically, right? You're seating your little argument for god/omnipotence in something quantifiable. Thus defeating it.

No wonder these people get beat up... If it's okay to be gay it's okay to be "cis". Coudln't stand straight word? Means the saame doesn't it? Had to make up a new word? Lame Lame. Like they took the word sissy and changed it slightly. Might has well called it pus, But that would be Patriarchy wouldn't i? One thing Carlin was correct about was how the vocabulary keeps changing to fool us..
One quote I liked from fright club was "we're a generation of men raised by women. I wonder if another woman is really what we need."

Let alone other issues but those are more debatable.

You should read more abrahamic texts then

>it was always my point that the unquantifiable can't be defined or reached by the quantifiable!

... you understand you're kinda dumb, right?

>Does God want to prevent evil
No, I don't subscribe to that notion, and I don't believe that that means that God is not loving. I believe that God wants humanity to prevent evil, and giving us the ability and motivation to prevent evil is an act of love.

>Which has been addressed
Yea, we've already established that god doesn't exist.

Nope I already answered it for you in a general way. It's not a guess. You work out the details yourself if you want to. You can spend many lives just doing that or keep pretending there is no answer so you don't have to think about it.

There is no law that is beyond omnipotence and omnipresence. Physcialism is pure bunk: that's something that's relatively trivial to determine.

The entire universe doesn't exist beyond God's conception of it. There is only God.

>muh gaps
>m-maybe god is a 5th dimensional alien
christcucks are just pathetic

You just want to build a strawman to more easily beat me without actually making a real argument.

tl;dr of what I ACTUALLY said
>Some things can happen that we can't ever explain
>the explanation might be at a higher logical level than we are capable of perceiving
>MAYBE M A Y B E a God could exist somewhere here, fitting the criteria for being beyond comprehension

I don't even know what you're getting at. I'm not saying we didn't see the Big Bang therefore God, or we didn't watch prehistoric evolution happen therefore God.

I'm not saying mysterious stuff can happen therefore God. I'm saying mysterious stuff can happen and MAYBE there could be a superbeing somewhere in the mix.

Like I said earlier, for all we know, there could be NO life beyond the 3rd dimension

>muh doublethink
That's not the meaning of the word, ya monkey retard.

>you understand that the behavior of the higher dimensions (that you clearly don't understand) can be predicted mathematically, right?
explain specifically, then.

Destroy my argument right now in your next reply now and forever.

>have faith
SHLOP
SHLUP
SHLLLOP

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>Physcialism is pure bunk: that's something that's relatively trivial to determine.

>the direct counter to my really retarded spiritual/metaphysical/newage belief system is so obviously wrong

hmm

What a shit thread. As if anyone would ever be able to make a compelling argument for a question both sides have already answered

Either way, the main problem is that you all view God and good as separate entities that work in tandem with eachother, where one is apparently bound to the other, when in actuality they are one and the same. God IS good in as much that what he does is good by virtue of being done by him, and that which is in opposition to this is inherently evil. There would never be a situation where God commits an evil act because he is both the embodiment and the source of which all virtues.
Furthermore, the whole Epicurus paradox is nullified by free will, and pathetic determinists who say we dont actually have free will are retarded by fact of being that although the brain is effectively a machine providing conditioned responses to stimuli, the sheer amount of stimuli occuring and refracting off of each other at each individual moment continuously, along with predispositions being more akin to weighted chance than set-in-stone lifepaths, makes our wills free in every form but in the absolute literal

Mods, kill this shit thread

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morality is unironically a human construct. is the lion good or bad for killing prey? moral don't exist in nature.

>it's the christcuck that avoids the question of "why does God let child rape exist?"
Yahwey likes rape

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here is a coordinate for a point in the fourth dimension.

(3, 2, 5, 6)

>Which has been addressed, free will is good, much better than a world with “no evil,” therefore god is enacting the greatest good logically possible.
Agency can exist without maniacal evil. For the vast majority of people in this world simple wrongs is the extent of their evil.

>therefore god is enacting the greatest good logically possible.
No one in this world believe the world is at peak goodness. Including you.

The failure of the world extends beyond people too. Natural catastrophes kills million of innocent people every year. Nonoe of it necessary for "free will".

My point is who is to say they don't. You're drawing an arbitrary line, even if you don't know where it is, and saying "this must be the maximum". You can't count all the way to infinity, it's not a real number. You can't define a highest dimension, it doesn't exist.
Let's say for a moment that in the 4th dimension there is a single being who believes himself to be (and as far as can be ascertained, is) omnipotent and omniscient, even within his own dimension. There is no reason that the rules of that dimension couldn't allow for such a landscape to exist while still not being the highest dimension. The 4d guy can reshape everything from the 4th dimension down, as far as he can ascertain, but in reality there is a 5th dimension that he doesn't know about.

Here, let me spell this out. The end state, hell, is a matter of controversy. There are annihilationists, universalists, etc. they all agree that hell is the absence of God. You willingly send yourself there by rejecting his grace. He is saving you from this possible future, and you are rejecting him out of misplaced spite. How are you supposed to be accepted into the ingdom of heaven when you willingly debase yourself and refuse freely given forgiveness?
>cringe
I’m trying to be civil with you, could you return the favor?

>dimensions
lol you fell for that?

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it makes sense you'd be a Pagan lmao.

Most all of you that I encounter are so clueless in your arrogance aside from The Golden One who has the sense that it's dumb to argue Pagan v. Christianity

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>here is a coordinate point
yeah, I took linear algebra too. what is your point?

What does the 4th dimension look like? How does its physics work? Tell me, math wizard.

>they all agree that hell is the absence of God
Hell is a Norse goddess. You worship Yahwey. Yahwey loves rape and torture.

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You are insinuating that god exist. You are stopping of saying it outright because you know it's already being broken down.

"I don't know things so maybe stuff." Is stupid phrase either way.

>hey give me an answer
>here ya go
>O-okay now give me a PHD in quantum mechanics answer!

yikes

>its a 'Pagan tries to defend his '''religion'''
OH NON NONONONO HAHHAHAHA

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>What does the 4th dimension look like? How does its physics work?

well the current model of the universe is that of a four dimensional spheroid. so I guess the physics of the fourth dimension are, ya know, physics.

You claimed that we know how higher dimensions behave mathematically and just gave me a linear algebra coordinate as if that means something. That's not behavior, that's a coordinate.

Dude, you're literally retarded.

You should read polkinghorne’s answer to the issue of natural evil. Humankind would not exist as we know it without the same forces which cause disasters.

There is no bridge to omnipotence because you're already omnipotent. You think you can actually die? No. Your body can and will die. You are immortal. You cannot not be immortal.

You think an omnipotent God cannot be a disease ridden hobo? Or a tranny with a neo vagina? Or a mentally retarded person? God can and does take any and every form, even forms that are yet to exist. There are no limits. That's what omnipotence actually means, that's what unlimited power means. It doesn't mean a being like Thanos or superman or zeus, that's a child's idea of God.

You asked me to prove they work by our mathematics. I did. In the simplest way possible. A way even you, yourself admit to taking a class in. Ya obviously didn't get a very good grade in that class.

My personal opinion on God is that I see a possibility for there to be one and after that I have faith that he is there despite not being able to actually see or sense him.

I cannot argue for faith and can only argue the possibility. Faith is a personal choice.

That's it. That's all I've done this entire time. Sorry you're dumb. At least that online Mensa test gave you a 135, right?

>they work by our mathematics because I added a number

also don't project.

not okay** I have insomnia BAD. Morphine 45mg IR 30mg Valium. + alcohol still can't sleep like Roger from Training Day. and I still just realized I got it right the first time. wouldn't it**?
saged for self response correct... that wasn't necessary (the correction) most likely.

Please recommend anything other than exercise yet for sleep because I can't without killing accidentally myself at the moment (exercising). Blood clots and start blood thinners tomorrow because clots so last day with a drink or else. Maybe last ever. Dangerous now even. I don't care at death's door anyway. Worth it for one more.

Fucking cancer power ports. Dread the withdrawal but I hear the benzos help... Only thing that really helped the pain.

Doc's should have told me to be on blood thinners and drop alch from the start.

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You missed my reply bro

so god killing hundreds of humans every now and then is morally good and necessary because it makes the survivors stronger? survival of the fittest is gods ultimate plan?

that's literally how dimensions work.

if you want to talk about metaphysical dimensions, you should say as much. so as to broadcast you're an idiot who should be ignored.

why does he hate animals then?

> You willingly send yourself there by rejecting his grace.
Yikes. I don't even know what to say to that one.

All powerful god amright. Ok we are here, time to take it away.

>Faith is a personal choice.
Did not see that one coming. All of your believes are personal. Some of them are stupid. Some of these stupid believes are materiel. You ought to be criticized for it either way.

>Sorry you're dumb.
Damn, that really hurt my feelings.

Nothing you say here hurts my feeling more than having to live with the consequence of your stupid propaganda.

You can't think outside of convenient little boxes because you're a retarded monkey that's piss poor at abstract thinking.

You're just another common dumbfuck atheist. Carry on, faggot.

>that's literally how dimensions work.
Yes, no shit. That doesn't explain their behavior though. If you suddenly found yourself in the 4th dimension, what would you be seeing? 4 digits in a row? What the fuck is the 4th dimension?

The tesseract we know, a hypothetical 4D shape, is only a 'shadow' being projected onto us in a 3D form like how you would draw a 3D square on paper and that would be a projection onto a 2D world.

You're bullshitting and I guess last semester you took linear algebra.

Some kikes trick people with religion therefore there is no God. Poor logic. God and religion are separate concepts. Religion uses God for legitimacy. Why? Because religions are control structures.

negro, you're literally in the fourth dimension right now. as well as a fifth, sixth, seventh, and possibly as many as 11.

I say you're dumb because you don't seem to have much abstract thinking ability. The thing they test for in IQ tests is abstract thinking.

So it's an observation, not an insult. You're dumb.

I don't think I understand. Try posting more numbers, that ought to do it.

>Yikes. I don't even know what to say to that one
You replied to the wrong person

*tips*

>with free will but without evil
That's a contradiction tranny

maybe you should've stayed in school.

other user here
>Yes, no shit. That doesn't explain their behavior though. If you suddenly found yourself in the 4th dimension, what would you be seeing?
3D world
>What the fuck is the 4th dimension?
we already living in it without noticing it. our body and mind is only able to recognize 3 dimensions.
>The tesseract we know, a hypothetical 4D shape, is only a 'shadow' being projected onto us in a 3D form like how you would draw a 3D square on paper and that would be a projection onto a 2D world.
that is correct.
>You're bullshitting and I guess last semester you took linear algebra.
probably correct too

>trinitarian
>calling anyone a pagan
lol

No user, really. Maybe if you just post some more fucking linear coordinates you'll successfully explain the behavior and nature of the fourth dimension.

>abstract thinking
Actually, I don't even disagree here. Your cognitive contortions that you use to explain away the childhood myths you were raised with are abstract. I imagine the more ridiculous the myth the more abstract and fantastical the explanations have to be.

But just to be clear, you and your believes are destructive. They do really, in the real meat and bone world, hurt my feelings and overall well being.

All things are him. Picture a dog being abused by person A and then rescued by person B. The dog is God, person A is God. Person B is God. The ground, the air, the trees, the implements used to abuse the dog, implements used to rescue the dog, you that's reading this, me that's writing this.

Understand this and then move on to perspectivism.

*tips 20%*

Its okay if you don't have any further capacity to argue, or any real understanding of the physical universe. Its just kinda sad that you bought into metaphysics instead of making any effort to understand how vast and complex a feat is to simply walk across a room.

>string theory
may as well make a philosophical argument.

How is it a contradiction you dumb cunt?

Are you retarded? Religion being control structures doesn't exclude the existence of God.

God is undeniable.

It's actually another user. I'm not the only guy calling you on your stupid shit.

You promised big and delivered nothing.

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there's been hundreds in this thread. you understood them about as well as you'd understand the math behind string theory.

I agree with everything but
>There is no bridge to omnipotence because you're already omnipotent. You think you can actually die? No. Your body can and will die. You are immortal. You cannot not be immortal.
idk how you can know that?

You think an omnipotent God cannot be a disease ridden hobo? Or a tranny with a neo vagina? Or a mentally retarded person? God can and does take any and every form, even forms that are yet to exist. There are no limits. That's what omnipotence actually means, that's what unlimited power means. It doesn't mean a being like Thanos or superman or zeus, that's a child's idea of God.?

Sound about right. Why not? Humans know very little about sea let alone universe. Why couldn't goD like hurting animals? Or kill thousands of us? Why not lie about morality even? Maybe we're like his toy video games.
Maybe he likes to go GTA mode sometimes

"Perhaps we're God's unwanted children" is a Good fight club quote too. But he could be nice enough who the hell really knows and can prove it? All speculation at this point

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Is this another one of your, not meant as an insult, observations?

nothin' personnel kid

If you take away their ability to do evil acts then it is no longer free will, this is common sense.

I promised math, math simple enough for you to understand. you got it. You didn't like it.

Yeah, it is more systemic and therefore more destructive.

He could create a world in which there are no evil acts by definition if he was all-powerful

what if he did

is your natural body scent cum?

Clearly this world is not it, therefore he would not be omnibenevolent for creating this world

I guess that's as gracious a concession as I could expect

Then it's not free will, stop pretending like it is.
He gave humans the choice to do whatever they wished, even be evil and curse His name.

He saying you can't have agency without evil, which is wrong, but you can meet him halfway. Just get rid of major evil which most people don't experience despite retaining agency. and natural failure. Also how about getting rid of accidents and none intentional societal failure.

free will

>Disagreement and arguement can be a form of love?
>Eeehhhh... I was really hoping that you'd show me the kind of love where you subscribe to everything I say, no matter how vacuous I sound.

You're just dumb and I'm not the only person who sees it. Why should I take you seriously when you lack any lateral thinking?

or he did create a world in which there are no evil acts, and from our free will we created the concept of evil and started deeming certain acts evil.

Just call me a retard and close the thread already. You know you want to.

Literally committed genocide and threatens to purge the world for "cursing His name".

Free will is the ability to do anything you want unimpeded.
An omnipotent god could create a world where there are no actions that are evil.
Therefore people could do anything they wanted unimpeded and evil would not exist.

user, I'm writing you a prescription.

Start lifting weights immediately and join your local MMA gym. If you don't, your autism will turn terminal.

Both technically. Eden was perfect, but Adam and Eve were still capable of temptation and taking the apple, the option was available.

Bill Hicks style shit. We're just the universe experiencing yourself subjectively. Maybe true.

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>man who has less than zero understanding of string theory accuses others of having no lateral thinking

hmmm

I wasn't the guy you were talking to about string theory

its much more amusing to watch you prove your lack of intelligence and then try to insult others.

You don't understand. There is 0 separation between you and God. You are him in his entirety. You are just him larping as an user on Yea Forums discussing religion right now. You are larping as someone that doesn't know he is God. That's unlimited power. You can larp as everyone and everything at all times. Ever had a dream with multiple characters in it? All those characters are you. Real life is exactly the same as a dream only much more solid and heavy whereas dreams are light and changeable. It's why lucid dreaming is a thing.

You can know all of this by studying matter, studying physicalism and examining your metaphysical assumptions about reality. Is matter real? What is real?

> Eeehhhh... I was really hoping that you'd show me the kind of love where you subscribe to everything I say, no matter how vacuous I sound.

Wait are you criticizing me or the person that I responded to?

ya didn't understand a single thing stated in .

meant for

Then the creation can only do whatever the creator approves of instead of things that pleasure them. You can't really say that's free will.

>Free will is the ability to do anything you want unimpeded.
Actually is just a retarded artifact arising from the limits of language that has no coherent meaning.

sounds meant for you too

I'm sorry you do not have the brainpower to compute the fact that things that do not exist don't exist.
Even right now you are only doing things the creator approves of, because god has not given you the free will to do things that are impossible.
Imagine that, you just confirmed that free will does not exist even in this universe.

The sort off freedom where you have a gun pointed at your head.

Fear can only compel belief in the weak minded

Why do people fag out over needing their god to be a dude with super powers that created a machine and loves the automatons that live inside the machine. Why can't the machine just exist. God can be the machine itself.

IDK why I larp as pain characters. though this one isn't very bad yet. Many of me have it worse. Why do much abuse I like abusing me me so? Pleasure pain n pain to understand? yin yang shit?

Dude sure I don't have a way to know for sure. drugs don't do it for me. I'm no scientist.

Bill Hicks got it half way right. You cannot be the universe because you perceive the universe. The entire universe is your subjective creation.

I didn't try to insult you at all. Any indication thereof is your own projection.
You sound so very tired.

We're arguing about the concepts of evil, not the physical limitations of humans.
And on that note we don't exactly know what life in Eden in God's perfect world was like, theoretically humans could have been capable of doing more. It's debated if the serpent could walk due to the nature of its punishment.

just because you can only know your position or your direction, doesn't mean you don't always have both.

here's a protip: this is an anonymous image board. all that matters is what you post. who you are is irrelevant. especially when "not you" jumps into the reply chain.

self gay response. but if we are larping to ourself. no wonder we can't know for sure. =/ sucks kinda imo. I really hate pain. and I've had but a smalll taste.

Why can't I larp as Goku and have his pain but power and sensu beans? looks fun enough

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1st and 2nd dimensions, so lines and planes. Omnipotence is a meme, all that was metaphysical garbage given for the sake of having the philosophical argument about god.

answer: metaphysics is a load of bullshit

Any experience bad or good is just another experience to the omnipotent you. Your conscious mind might register something as painful or sad but the invulnerable part (the one that is witnessing the experiences) is never affected by anything ever, it just registers the experience. Examine yourself and check to see whether what I say is true.

The good thing is that you can change your experience. Your reality does not exist independent of you. You create all of it. You do it by changing your mind. Change the way you çonceive of yourself and your reality will change. If people are abusing you or attacking you it means you see yourself deep down as a victim. Hard to accept but it is what it is. This isn't victim blaming, but the bad people are just playing their part in the conception you created because you are Him.

You can change it for the better. All the best to you.

Hopefully then.
Thanks you/me. GL to you. me