Was Walter White a good man?

Was Walter White a good man?

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No. From the very first episode he made the choices of a bad man. Then they literally spoon fed you in a flashback how Walt was a pathetic cuck that abandoned his friends out of pride in the second season.

>I have finally become the Better Call Saul!

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He is a drug dealer and a murderer

Of course.

Kek

Fuck no. Walt was an egotistical murdering sociopathic beta faggot

no? not at any point what fucking question is this
he's basically the guy from falling down. can't cut it and blames the world cos feels entitled
i mean i can relate but it's pathetic

No, but Saul was.

>beta
nail on the head. everything he does is insecure including larping as alpha by being extra in word and deed.

you've heard of "the frantic energy of the lazy"
he has the frantic aggression of the cowardly.

>I have spent my whole life, scared. Frightened of what could happen, what might happen. 50 years I spent like this. Finding myself awake at 3 in the morning

Huh??

He did nothing wrong

The very first episode he is diagnosed with cancer. Completely treatable and he is a public school teacher so he has blue cross blue shield insurance. He decides to lie to his family about the cancer, not use his insurance, and sell drugs.

Someone please laugh at my joke

He never wanted to be a burden for his family and other people, which can be a good thing. But he went way too far in never accepting any help at all and being a prideful ass. He should've taken the job from elliot schwarz in s1 - the offer came from a genuine place, they were friends from youth, and he could've paid for his cancer treatment and even leave his family some money if things went south.

>PWEESE JUST WET ME TALK TO GWUS PPPWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSEEEEEE!!!
Walt never took off the tighty whities. He had the mentality of a teenage girl trying to #NerfRebel against her parents

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The cancer treatment was always paid for. One of the strongest unions in the world is the public teacher union.

>the frantic energy of the lazy

No I have not. Impart your wisdom upon me, user.

that moment was kino I dont care how meta it was

i dunno it is what it is

Not the moment he abandoned his best friends because they cucked him and married the first girl that talked to him out of spite?

Oh I am a pathetic loser. That's why I understand Walt so well. I really don't understand how people on this website, famous for being cucks and full of themselves losers, don't understand Walt at all.

Jane relapsing was a result of Jesse becoming distressed over combo's death, which was a result of Walt pushing jesse to expand their territory. also, before Walter and Jesse spend 4 days in the desert, Jane was a good influence on jesse and their relationship was fine. after walt manipulates jesse into going deeper into the business(as a result of meeting Saul), the relationship with Jane becomes more and more dysfunctional.

so in short, everything bad that happens is caused by Walt and Saul

no, you're pathetic because you assume that if someone gets enjoyment out of a scene, then they don't really understand it as much as you do, you no fun allowed faggot

Nope, he was a bored man who failed to live up to his potential for most of his life, but that doesn't excuse his later life choices either. He was basically a brilliant fuckup.

peaked too early

No one around Walt was a good person maybe his kids but it ends there.

>the worst meme

Steve gomez

Walt is bad but has goodness in him, his goodness makes him complex and much more hateable than someone like todd. But he's not a sociopath or psychopath at all

>when you saw Kim lose all Faith in Jimmy
Kim was the best part of that show.

>Someone please laugh at my joke
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

Pretty obviously no

Jimmy, Mike, and Jesse are though

user, the entire appeal of Breaking Bad is that it's a true villain story. Most stories that pitch themselves as being about a villain actually puss out and make the "villain" a misunderstood anti-hero. Breaking Bad is truly the story of evil triumphing, and that's what's unique about it.

I've watched all of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, and read many of the available screenplays for both, and if there's one thing I've picked up on, it's that the showrunners seem to view their main characters sympathetically. Walt may do bad stuff, but he feels extremely guilty for it deep down, at least until Season 5.

who was the taxi driver supposed to be in S4 BCS

How fucking stupid are you exactly? What was your SAT score?

He's the guy Jesse sent in his upcoming movie to collect Saul so they can start their drug-smuggling wooden container crafting business in Alaska, bitch.

Yes. He knew he was a prideful person and did his best to bury that side of him, even resorting to being a high school teacher. Facing apathetic students, low pay, a second job, a bitchy wife, a handicapped son, and surprised with a newborn daughter, he continued to swallow his pride until fate shit on him for the last time: lung cancer. Adding insult to injury, he's never smoked.

He's still a man with pride. He didn't want charity from a guy who stole his girl and his success, he wanted to build something on his own, so that he could give it to his family. It was his one act of true masculinity in his pathetic life. Anyone who shits on Walt for giving in to that side of himself is a tranny. He genuinely just wanted money for his family in the beginning, but bit off more than he could chew. He held his own though, and died on his own terms.

>a guy who stole his girl and his success,
He literally gave him both. Out of his pride.

One thing I don't understand is why poisoning Brock is THE act that makes people consider Walt to have become irredeemable. He didn't give Brock a lethal amount of poison - he gave him an amount that he would recover from. I realize it's a fucked up thing to do in any capacity, but the way Jesse, and more importantly other viewers, reacted to it seems more appropriate for Walt actually killing Brock, or intending to. Basically, Walt made the kid spend a few nights in the hospital - not THAT big of a deal. It seems to me that detonating a bomb in a hospital is much, much worse.

Regardless, would you take charity from the guy who currently your girl left you for, and who is now running the company you helped build?
He's a flawed character for sure, but his pride is a weakness of his, but I don't think it made him a bad man, it just pushed him into bad situations.

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t. sociopath

It was never about not wanting to be a burden to other people. Walter just said fuck it and wanted to live out his power fantasies with the time he had left. All the shit about muh family was just rationalizing.

I would tell my wife I had cancer, get treatment from my teachers union health insurance, take paid leave since I'm part of the teachers union, and hope I get better.

But then again I wouldn't throw a hissy fit and abandon my friends, my PhD program at Los Alamos, and a billion dollar idea because I got cucked.

I disagree, people always act as if Walt didn't care whether Brock lived or died and just poisoned him indiscriminately, which isn't true. Jesse says that the doctors found a non-lethal amount of lily of the valley in his body. Walt does many worse things in the series.

2040

>I wouldn't be a drug addict
>I wouldn't be a scummy lawyer
>I wouldn't be a cleaner/hitman
I wouldn't either, but this show isn't about normies.

this baby voice thing is the single most cringey thing on Yea Forums, what the hell man

This. You don't want a show where the characters all make perfectly realistic and reasonable decisions. That would be boring as fuck.

And Luke Skywalker didn't want to save lives he just wanted to live out a power fantasy because he lived a boring life on his home planet.

God damn you are stupid as fuck. Walt was a teacher with health insurance and a family. His descision to hide the cancer is selfish as fuck. First episode.

Because morons like you didn't figure it out, Gilligan put in a flashback in the second season. Clearly spelling out that Walt got cucked, lost his shit, quit everything and married the first waitress that talked to go.

Walt is a beta cuck loser.

This implies it has to be one or the other. Walt did it because it was an epic way to make his family money.

This. I feel like it's a big inside joke that I'm not in on to hate on Walt so much. Do people realize when making these judgments that Walt was just threatened by a drug kingpin that his infant daughter would be murdered if he interfered with the planned murder of his brother in law? That his wife gave away their one way out to fucking Ted? That the one person he could count turned his back on him? He had no choice in that situation. Walt was up against literal killers and managed to destroy the threat without killing any innocents. He gets shit on more than he deserves, the man is an artist.

Well put.

Yes, I remember that, tranny. Best case scenario he was given was two years. Walt wanted to make enough money to take care of his family when he was gone. He didn't care about treatment because he knew it was futile.

>Because morons like you didn't figure it out, Gilligan put in a flashback in the second season. Clearly spelling out that Walt got cucked, lost his shit, quit everything and married the first waitress that talked to go.
So? I already acknowledged that he was a flawed character. He was young and temperamental. But his decision to make some real money for his family on his own terms is a feeling most men can relate to.
Now go dilate.

he wasn't up against anyone though, he was just being left out

Do you think a union public school teacher doesnt have life insurance? They bought the house 16 years prior. Even with a 30 year mortgage it would be half paid off. A half million dollar policy, which is pretty standard, would have been perfectly adequate.

Read my post again, or rewatch the show again. Gus tells him Hank is getting too close to his trail and was going to be killed. Walt tipped the police so Hank would be safe, but then when he tried to take his family and leave, realized the money was gone. At that point he had crossed Gus, who just threatened to kill his family if he interfered, so he sent his family to Hank's to be guarded by the police, and went after Gus.

ITT: Faggets autistically whining about a show they very obviously know every tiny detail about.

>people always act as if Walt didn't care whether Brock lived or died and just poisoned him indiscriminately
That's literally what he did. His reasoning is meaningless. He poisoned a child to further his plans.

lmao no. Saul directly pushes walt into becoming a more serious criminal after going to his school and manipulating him, and he also suggests at one point to murder jesse when he threatens to speak. Mike is a mass murder and Jesse is a snitch and a drug addict who caused innocent people to die

Its a good show but it's anti-masculine propaganda

Well according do lefty sjws in California every white man is the devil

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You're not understanding what I'm saying. I'm not debating his reasoning. I'm bringing up the simple fact that Walt gave Brock an amount of poison that would not kill him, meaning that the act of poisoning him has no lasting consequences. People act like Walt tried to kill Brock for his own gain. He did not.

you watch the show again. walter poisons brock because he couldn't accept the fact that jesse was more on gus side, hence feeling left out. he didn't really need Jesse's help to kill gus

He did the calculations at the beginning and determined what they needed to get along without him. If I remember correctly it was closer to a million. He wanted to meet or exceed that goal.
I'm not saying his decisions were perfect. But after spending a life of underachievement, thinking he was doing everything right, now faced with imminent death, he was fueled with anger, guilt and fear. That, plus his sever underestimation of how much trouble the drug trade would get him into, make somewhat sympathetic. "Walt is evil bad man" is not a fair critique of the character.

lmao, everything that walter did was for his own gain. since the first episode. if walter was a good person, he would have told hank everything the moment gus threatened them and then turned himself in

The stakes are Hank's and the rest of the family's potential deaths, not Walt being trusted by Gus and Jesse. How dense can you be?

>being this retarded

this, unfortunately this board/site is full of spineless communist faggots who wouldn't understand

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you don't get what I'm saying. walter could have perfectly asked jesse for help in a sincere way, but he poisons brock because he needs his loyalty

I just think it's pretty evident that they were beyond that point. They had gotten into a physical brawl two episodes before.

There are many stories about Walter White . Some say he was a decent man. Others say there was no good in him at all. But I once spent 6 weeks on the road with him, in the winter of 2011. This is our story.

No, all drug dealers are going to hell. They are pieces of shit and a complete detriment to humanity.

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>They had gotten into a physical brawl two episodes before.

which was caused by Walter being unable to trust jesse and basically being a dick to him

When people ask me if Walter White was a good man, or if there was just no good in him at all, I always give the same answer. I just tell them... he was my father.

>it's the drug's fault people are hopeless addicts with no impulse control

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Yes. Heisenberg, wasn't.

>I'm bringing up the simple fact that Walt gave Brock an amount of poison that would not kill him
That's still attempted murder at BEST, dude.

Based. The only thing worse than a drug dealer is a drug user.

>the drugs magically appear in the junkie's hand

Maybe at some point, but mostly no, at first he may have seen cooking meth as a necessary evil, but he definetly fell in love with power

Exhibit A on the piece of absolute shit drug dealer - blaming the people he shills his poison to.
How can addicts exist if dealers stop dealing?

I hate junkies but dealers are worse without question.

In a court of law, you might be right, I wouldn't know, but in terms of ethics, "attempted murder" deals with the intent of the person, and Walt's attempt was definitely to not kill Brock, but to make him temporarily sick.

Holy shit, that's deep bro

you're as shit a person as walter

How is it a necessary evil? He is a fucking high school teacher with insurance. Do you really believe everyone that gets cancer dies in the gutter and their family becomes homeless?

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S FORGIVABLE JUST THAT WALT DID THINGS WORSE THAN THAT ahhhhhhhgggggggggghhhhhhhghhgggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgggggggggggghhhhhghggghghgghgghfhghghggggggghhhhhhhhhhhgggggghhhhhggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhghhg

Dont know about you europoors, but this is AMERICA

>Selling a product is evil
Fucking retard

you're dumb, at no point in the show was it stated that brock's poisoning was "the moment you lose empathy for walt", since that is subjective. it simply was the moment that jesse stopped justifying walt's actions, since it was established way before that jesse had a soft spot for children

>dude it's justified to ruin a thousand other families and society itself with poisonous drugs as long as I make money for my own family
No.

Dont worry user, i understand, compared to other things he did, that was more cunning than evil

Found the ancap

If your product is poison that ruins people's lives then yes, it is evil. Cope harder, you're going to burn in hell regardless of your mental gymnastics. Love to see you stammer and try to justify yourself while being judged.

People fuck up their lives with everything there is that's sold, alcohol, food, entertainment, lotto tickets, that's their fault. Meeting a demand is not evil idiot

It is, libertard. You're actively harming people, it's evil.
Holy shit, ancaps can't even grasp basic morality. They should all be exterminated.

when you introduce drugs that weren't available before you are creating the demand you stupid fucking idiot

Most people don't have a problem with the selling drugs. Its the murder, the manipulation, the lying to his family that people think "wow, this dude is a shitbag."

That dude was saying all drug dealers are evil not talking about walt

You can't grasp the concept of free will and think you know what's best for people better than themselves, that is what evil is

Selfishness is the root of all evil and all men are selfish to a point. The redpill is that there are no good men, only less bad ones.

>muh free will
Always making it about the people's stupidity instead of the evil intent of drug dealers and tobacco companies to enrich themselves by actively causing suffering and harm to people that THEY sold advertising to showing them how cool it was to smoke.
Stay mad, ancuck.

Would watch

>t. hellbound

>Walt invented meth

Only Walt Jr. and Holly were truly "good"

Jesse had a conscience but was already deep in the darkness, Badger and Skinny Pete were degenerate junkies even if they weren't monsters

Hank was Tony Soprano but on the side of the law

Mike was the "goodest" of the "bad guys," the brawn to Saul's brains.

the point still stands. before the 70s there wasn't a big demand for cocaine in the us population until the cartels began smuggling and selling while the CIA allowed it becaused there was a profit. the addiction created by the drugs unleashes a chain reaction that benefits the cartel only.

in short, the demand for drugs is artificial and people are not rational/free of their choices

>free will
drug addictions leads to mental disease which inhibits your ability to make rational, we'll informed decisions, which is also why most drugs aren't legal. try again you stupid faggot

stop trying to sound intellectual on a very straightforward show. everyone that isn't autistic can understand human interactions and emotions shown through faces. you're not unique in understanding kim's change in disposition towards jimmy after he does a 180. and finger pistols are based so suck my doodle

Mike was good, at least in the sense that he helps to expose the fallacy of Walt's rationale and ethics.
>hurrdurr I'm a family man
Mike does this better.
>hurrdurr I gotta go what I gotta do
Mike doesn't need to justify himself. Actions speak louder than words.
>I AM THE ONE WHO KNOCKS
And Mike is the strong silent type.

Basically, everything Walter thought he was, Mike actually was. Walt was so out of his element trying to be le epic Heisenberg, Mike could see right through his bullshit.

Are we gonna get more Slippin' Kimmy in S5?

I hope to fuck not. Kim is pure. I hope she leaves Jimmy and never looks back.

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he still murdered a shit ton of people

isn't it obvious that she is going to die?

No, he was piece of shit and that's why I love him.

Yes. But I can hope.

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Who cares

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We're laughing, but because you're a namefag. Not because you as a person are relevant or worth listening to.

He mostly killed other career criminals. War is hell, son. He wasn't a coward and he didn't target the weak or innocent.

sure, but he was never a good person