Someone is reading this on the train, film adaption when?
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No. Leave the franchise alone.
holy shit
like 90% of those are perfect
>Elrond
>Drax
>Jorah
>Dredd
>guy above Dredd
who are those supposed to be?
Lorgar
Kharn
Constantin Valdor
Garro
Loken
Why the fuck would you cast a non Asian for Jaghatai Khan
>traveling on a train
>a train with plebs
Hope it went straight to auschwitz
>on the train
>being a europoor and not owning a car
The emperor wouldn't engineer a tiny yellow primarch
Wow, a list that works for the most part, it only took forever ( I see Nikolai as Lion though, just my opinion)
I mean the emperor should definitely not be liam neeson but instead should be idris elba but otherwise this is a pretty good list.
>HBO
Warhammer 40k needs a MASSIVE budget and HBO will not deliver.
It will be stuffed with vidya tier CGI, or 2d animation, there wont be need for massive budget.
are the new Dark Imperium books worth a read?it got mixed reviews
gulliman one was alright
It doesn't even need a high budget, just give us some inquisitor "domestic" 40k and it will still be kino.
Warhammer "problematic" levels are off the charts, it will never have an adapation.
Not really.
a full heresy movie would need the avengers treatment, like 12-13 films. god just imagine the throneroom fight with greater demons everywhere and the emp completely annihilating horus and then being installed in the throne.
Reminder that salamanders are not black
sort of
It'd be a lot easier to cast a black guy to play them instead of spending money on blackface makeup or CGI effects
t..thanks guys
The salamanders aren't actual niggers they have pitch black skin and red eyes from a gene seed defect.
Dune = warhammer prequel
Can you imagine actually reading trash like this IN PUBLIC. How embarassing
will you post the HH chart pl0x
I read the first 4 books so far. flight of eisenstein was godtier
>Games Workshop stole tookinspirationfromDunemore than an Blood Raven in an unlocked reliquary.
Guess it's time to read Dune.
>still not enjoying pulp fiction
>doesn't know its current year
Imagine the insecurity of thinking somebody actually giving a shit what you read.
Nobody would even give a passing glance to the cover.
Is this a stealth Spartacus revival? My cock approves.
>frogposter
Checked
Also I've skipped a fair few, but the first four plus Fulgrim are based. Haven't caught up in a couple years though
judge not lest ye be judged frogposter
Are those WH40K novels even any good?
They're making a Dune movie so you might as well read it for that reason as well. The first four books are considered the best, after it kinda goes off the rails.
>muh public opinion
We have peak white woman here. Go post on Facebook.
40k is so fucking cool.
How would you introduce 40k to the greater movie going public leading into it's own line of movies? I'm thinking something like a compilation of animations and stories ala animatrix or love, death and robots and seeing where it goes, full television series if it picks up and maybe a three parter in theaters
Warhammer might someday
40k never ever
I've been reading the Horus Heresy novels. Most of them are unironically pretty good.
The first 4 books are great.
have sex
Some are very good, but they're talking about the heresy which is 30k
The books are wildly inconsistent and the series is not worth wasting your time on
The series is absolutely worth reading/listening to.
Honestly a bit surprised False Gods is so low
Would be an absolute massive undertaking - like Avatar tier - to bring 40K to the big screen. It would have to be almost entirely CGI. The 40K Universe is also so massive, where do you even start? I also have my doubts whether any studio would dare make it in the current political climate. THe click bait articles equating The Imperium to Trump or Nazis write themselves.
>not worth wasting your time on
>implying your time is valuable
any amount of reading is better than jerking off and playing video games constantly
>I also have my doubts whether any studio would dare make it in the current political climate
Literally impossible:
>To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.
>implying your stupid ass is too busy reading 19th century Russian lit
I'll also add to this that I'm yet to be disappointed by a Warhammer audio book.
I've listened to the Eisenhorn series and Black Legion.
Horus' conversion was dumb
I listen to the audiobooks at work. They give me the strength to carry on.
>44 books in Horus Heresy series so far
Jesus christ
I kinda want to read the Horus Heresy but the prospect of so many authors puts me off.
Guessing some of the books are real turds and, as they're writing other people's characters much of the time, you get fanfiction style writing.
>I'm thinking something like a compilation of animations and stories ala animatrix or love, death and robots
No, just no. Anthologies are cool but they don't make a lasting impact on the average movie goer. You have to go all-in in the first movie and hope that does well. However the real problem is that even if you're not doing a heresy story, you'll have to reference the heresy at some point simply so that the narrative makes sense. People reading 40K novels all know about the great crusade, what the imperial truth and faith are, what the heresy is, who the major legions and chapters are, etc.
Everything 40K related that is released is released under the assumptions that a huge amount of people already know the important stuff basically. Introducing it to new people is just insanely hard no matter how you flip it.
Try over fifty not counting the primarch books or the short stories or the Horus heresy game books
Pity me, I've been listening to the fuckers on audiobook for over a year. I had no idea there was more than 20.
A job where you can get away with having your earbuds in the whole time sounds pretty ace to me.
the scars are mongols
>No, just no. Anthologies are cool but they don't make a lasting impact on the average movie goer
I get that and I'm saying they should dip their toes first before jumping in completely. Warhammer is a very fringe nerd hobby with tons of inspirations gleaned from other sources that might have many movie goers and critics saying how derivative it is. I figure generating interest and stoking that fire would be a good start before dumping millions into a bomb
Im halfway through, fucking loving it
>Guessing some of the books are real turds and, as they're writing other people's characters much of the time, you get fanfiction style writing.
The main problem is that the Primarchs are all hyper intelligent demigods, but no-one can write a character more intelligent than they are, so shit starts to fall apart really fast.
However, if you select books by writer, you end up with pretty good results. Dan Abnett does that lofty, grandiose, sci-fi epic stuff well. He's also surprisingly good at depicting straight up war with little character development, while keeping it interesting. Aaron Dembski-Bowden can make Chaos relatable, he really understands it and my favourite is Graham McNeil - he's the best writer overall and his Space Marines are interesting, which is really, really hard to pull off consistently.
Astartes are the most boring protagonists for a movie or novel ever. You either make them just big, brave dudes in power armour who hero things heroically, which robs them of all their uniqueness and makes them dull, cookie-cutter protagonists or you keep them as the psycho-conditioned biological war-machines with truncated emotional ranges they're supposed to be, but then they're completely unrelatable to normal people.
If they every make a 40k movie, it should focus on a human story, an Imperial official or soldier, with the marines witnessed through their eyes as what they are; monsters created to protect humanity from even worse ones, angels of death who are no less terrifying to mortal men simply because they're supposed to be on the same side.
Just read the good ones.
The first four all follow on from each other, so start there.
After that just read whatever because they're chronologically all over the place.
Animation would suit it better but even then I doubt it.The guy who came up with the Heresy story said it was never suited for long term milking, and if you wanted to know the story just read ''Paradise Lost''. It was deliberately made as vague as possible to give it an air of legend, but then GW wrote the first books which made money and the rest is history.
I'm a janitor. I can pretty much listen to audiobooks for 8 hours a day if I wanted to. It's a good job for autisic people who don't need a lot of money. being on your feet all day is tiring though so you got to pace yourself.
>I get that and I'm saying they should dip their toes first before jumping in completely
Nobody likes dipping their toes in while paying full price to sit in a room filled with strangers. You absolutely have to make people go "Holy fucking shit this is better than Steve in the officer told me it w- OH LAWD IS THAT FUCKING GUY THROWING BOLTS OF LIGHTNING FROM HIS HANDS WHILE ALSO JUGGLING TANKS!"
Anytime someone has attempted to do a dip your toes into it to start of a cinematic universe, it just ends in distaster. It has to be all in and fucking awesome from day 1.
This. Space Marines should be plot devices rather than primary characters. The exceptions are always really extreme characters - Mephiston, Lucius, Fabious Bile, etc. Basically, if they need Chaos and/or magic to grow a personality.
Does the first 4 give a relatively complete story though? If you're only getting a fraction of the story, the temptation to read the shit ones to find out what happens gets too much
40k's style of prose is fun to read tbqh. The over the top, pseudo-biblical way it's written is top comfy
>Manu Bennet, Frank Grillo and Sam Witwer all in the same movie
>theater starts overflowing with pussy juices, drowning most of the audience
Seriously though, those are all excellent casting choices. Easily the best casting sheet I've seen so far for 40k. Well done user.
Could be a lot worse. Most jobs feature some fuckhead manager waiting around to slap the MP3 player out your ears.
>keep them as the psycho-conditioned biological war-machines with truncated emotional ranges they're supposed to be, but then they're completely unrelatable to normal people.
What's so bad about that? Why do people need to relate to spess mehrene
>Seriously though, those are all excellent casting choices.
Almost all good choices. That image is the only possible way Brendan Gleeson could be miscast.
Yeah I'm pretty lucky, my supervisor doesn't give a fuck as long as the work gets done. And I only see him about 10 minutes a day because I have an entire floor to myself. Sometimes I finish my work early and just fall asleep for an hour before heading home lol.
>slaves to darkness
>prospero burns
>mechanicum
these are all god/good tier
Because when you are reading 500 pages from the perspective of a battle-autist, fun things like space war become dull.
Idris Elba as Magnus
Ok but he has to wear red body paint
I don't think so but then again I might just be autistic
Considering Magnus would be a big red CGI monster, he could do worse than having Elba's voice.
I would have gone with Ben Kingsley, but not doing a London accent.
>sons of the hydra bad tier
>Legion not good tier
This is obviously Smurf propaganda and not to be trusted
Then you're in luck, there's hundreds of books waiting for you to enjoy.
For a more enclosed story the first three would be best. Though I suppose the ending of four isn't massively open ended either.
I already have enjoyed them!
as someone who has two hand painted 40k armies and enjoys the game and universe a lot, you are still completely correct. People need to stop reading garbage. read the king james bible if you really want to get immersed in the universe
Is this capeshit without pictures tier literature? Or is it worse?
That's the catch. A big red monster without a monstrous voice is kino. Much like Vivec sounds like a raspy chainsmoker despite him being thr "good guy" while Dagoth Ur's voice is sexy as fuck despite him being the bad guy
only 60 more to go
the first heretic is really good
So read first 4 and then just pick up the ones that sound interesting or are by the more competent authors?
/tg/ has their favorites. I'm pretty sure dan abnett is the universally agreed upon best author of the franchise.
Capeshit in the guise of military science fiction, but still at its core, capeshit.
yeah so we're gonna cgi black skin and red eyes on top of a white actor because its easier that way!
He's the most accomplished, but I think McNeil is the best.
can any of the races taken not from terra even be considered human, let alone any "earth race"?
Explain
Should I start with Ciaphas Cain?
They're all descendants of ancient terrans who colonized various planets in the galaxy.
>but then they're completely unrelatable to normal people.
Things don't need to be relatable for people to appreciate a cool spectacle, dude.
They aren't supposed to have monkey facial features just pitch black skin.
HH novel series is fedora tipping trash. It ruins 40k mystery with narrow tunnel vision.
Well, they are all human because they are all the same species. There's minor deviations, as there are between races. If they ever gets so extreme that a new species evolves, it gets wiped out or at best enslaved, then their's no fucking way that they'll be relevant to, say, the Space Marines.
That was always going to happen. You can't write mythology from such a personal perspective, then it's not mythology any more.
HH hasn't been a "mystery" since the index astartes articles of the 90s.
That guy looks just like the art for Vulkan.
Fuck no, Eisenhorn is kino. As is Ravenor and Gaunts Ghosts
are those 40k novels any good as standalone books or are they just lore dump?
There's a few good ones lurking in there, but stay away from the Horus Heresy series or anything exclusively involving Space Marines.
Kek
DESU, the first three heresy books are good, if nothing more than a very in-depth introduction into the setting.
The first three heresy books are lofty turds about near identical characters becoming enemies in the most contrived way possible.
Good fucking god imagine..
>thousand sons novel in top tier
>a shitty book about giant bees and nothing happening
discarded
Awful taste.
>40k fags
Literally the only worse fandom is propably mlp
Off yourselves you mouthbreathingbtards
Eisenhorn or bust. That would actually be a good show because it has a nice variety of characters and while he has plot armor, he is not some indestructible space marine.
t. coping loser
have sex
learn to read niggerbrain
this one's better
Eric Bana, Perturabo, DiCaprio and the Rock are all particularly horrible casting choices for those parts. McAvoy is a great casting choice for really dumb reasons.
Shannon would be better suited to being one of the more austic Primarchs, like Manus or Perturabo.
imagine sitting on the receiving end of this face and not laugh at how ridiculous she looks.
What is the point of huge ass armors while your face is open?
They wear helmets in lore but in art and minis don’t so they have more individuality
It’s really not m. That ginger was twink fag as Curze is an absolute joke
it wasn't bad but prospero burns was better, and i'm not even a space wolf fan
HH series is a mixed bag but has a lot of good. Oldfags hate it needlessly because it shuts on the “mythology” despite the heresy not being mythological since collected visions and index Astartes in the 90s
The books sell the best by far for a reason
Oh so you’re just a butthurt incel I thought you had a legitimate grievance before
Vulkan looks identical to that actor so go get triggered somewhere else
He asked for books which weren't a lore dump. The HH is one giant lore dump.
yes and we're all descendants of homo erectus. These people evolved on different planets over the course of what, hundreds or thousands of years?
Also the primarchs are all demons so they don't count as human...and considering the gene seeds for the legions are based on the primarchs, I'm not so sure marines could be considered human either.
prospero burns isn't lore dump til halfway through when the story connects with the rest of the universe. A large part of it is just some guy who went to fenris, almost got killed by vikings, has a bunch of flashbacks and chills with space wolves wearing leather for awhile.
Loads of planets evolved/devolved past humanity. The ones that strayed too far got exterminated. The Imperium has always been rabidly purist, only a few useful "abhumans" are tolerated.
Space Marines are seen as feats of technology and divinity, but some within the late Imperium consider them mutants and deeply hate/distrust them. Most people are pigshit ignorant as to what Space Marine actually are and literally no-one knows about how the Primarchs were made.
I haven't read Prospero burns because I couldn't be fucked, but it doesn't sound like it could completely work as a stand alone story.
Agreed. But if you make the spectacle the protagonist, you end up with a shit movie/story. Far better to show humans struggling, fighting and overcoming, then a single Astartes ripping through the entire thing like the wrath of god unleashed before disappearing into the scenery again leaving everyone wondering what the fuck just happened.
Based opinion
Abnett did good in Know No Fear, because he just straight up described a war between space marines instead of focusing very hard on particular characters. Then the spectacle was the protagonist, but it was like a history book, and became more entertaining as a result. I'm not sure if there's a single character arc in the whole thing. It did drop off a bit towards the end, but the first half described just a few hours of a real-time, planet-wide ambush. Was awesome.
Meh nemesis is pretty stand alone
I don't think any book in the HH works as a complete stand alone story. But the main protagonist is basically an anthroplogist.
Ol goes from not wanting to do shit, to doing shit
Wasn't that grumpy fucker completely forced into it? I don't remember there being a choice.
I forgot about Nemesis, that was pretty good, but there's a lot going on for someone who doesn't know what Chaos is.
>Loads of planets evolved/devolved past humanity. The ones that strayed too far got exterminated
Thankfully the government hasn't figured out there's a planet full of catgirls yet.
Fortunately, a real Felinid is the strain of Tyranid maggot that converts fecal matter into biofuel.
>felinids
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Bringing Guilliman back and all the associated lore changes ruined the setting. I genuinely don't consider anything from early 2016 on to be canon. I check out at the latest just before endgame on Cadia.
Only if you want to take aliens as metaphors for other races even though there are entire chapters of black space marines.
I don't know that its ever been explicitly said whether or not they're black, so a black Vulkan would make as much sense as any other option.
They come from a volcano planet. There's good odds, and there are whole chapters that are definitely black, so it would hardly be odd for the setting.
>wanting normies to ruin 40k with their bullshit even more
fucking hell no
Fear to Tread is at least a tier too high.
I've actually quite liked James Swallow in the past, but its like he forgot how to write on the most basic level, or at least how to do so consistently and page to page, for just this book. When his writing was clear it was extremely dull and mediocre if not so cliched that you couldn't even focus on what he was trying to get you to picture. At other points it was borderline impossible to understand what he was getting at because he'd come up with this massive, convoluted Hieronymous Bosch set piece and then describe it in like 2 short, confusing sentences.
I read a whole long WW2 book and a bunch of short stories on a break from it. Have literally never found it more of a frustrating burden getting through a 40K book, and I've read like 60.
And if you drop it False Gods needs to come up a tier. Prospero Burns also had a bit of an under-cooked climax but there's so much great stuff in there that it's baffling its not a tier higher.
Only read up to Fear to Tread but yeah there's a lot to take issue with here.
I honestly don't know many people that read books, I'd just be impressed that someone's reading for once
People keep saying this as if literally dozens of novels haven't nailed making space marines compelling central characters.
The good ones are good and the bad ones are bad, but there are a surprising number of good ones, way more than you'd expect for such a commercial product with so many writers.. Lore changes around the start of 2016 mean that a lot of the newer ones are bilge, but at the same time my favourite book series period, Gaunts Ghosts, is a long running 40K series.
>HBO will not deliver.
half the primarchs will be women
Chaos is rewritten as the archetypal sacred feminine.
The whole thing becomes a thinly veiled allegory for the abortion rights scuffle in America.
All the books that made Space Marines compelling were also books that undercut everything that makes a Space Marine what he is.
You like ADB's Sad Marines perchance?
Grimaldus was done well. Calling them Sad Marines is like calling Gatsby Sad Man like that's meaningful.
Abnett also does marines well in the heresy books without undercutting them at all.
Then there's the fact that all the difficulties of writing loyalists completely vanish when you're writing chaos marines because they're actually allowed to make decisions outside of the confines of a monastic life, and they've lost all the mental discipline and habits of sacrifice that make loyalists at risk of being sterile. Honsou is one of the most compelling protagonists/driving forces for stories the setting has.