Why is Rian Johnson determined to incinerate whatever scraps are left of his smouldering career?

Rian is our guy

>TLJ is honestly one of the best Star Wars movies
>one of
>meaning it can still be the worst out of all of them
Hello brainlet, please check out at your convenience, for you are stealing oxygen.

I love how the man with the baby in front goes from normal smiling adult ....to mildly annoyed/embarrassed when awkwardly Rian enters the castle. It's all over his face.

what a fag

What was there left to explain about the emperor? all the key stuff was there

> look like a manbaby.
> act like a manbaby.

Is like pottery.

is he legitimately retarded?

Nigga u gay and wrong.

And you literally don't understand how Kylo killing snoke is a moment about Kylo, not about snoke. Retard.

AAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHposting is a Yea Forums staple, Rian Johnson is based as fuck.

He's too deep in to quit, now. The equivalent of this would be to kill over 200 innocent people and then attempt to atone and be a good person; you just can't do that at that point. You're the villain, now. You're the bad guy. You became it. He has no choice but to keep being the shithead he has become.

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And it’s not the same as Snoke....bc uhhhh Star Wars has ended the big bads had been defeated as far as we knew.

B8er

This was in response to the negative reaction people had to Arya killing the Night King, but was posted before Kelly C went full Dragon Reich.

This backfired horrifically on him because basically everyone including the most shiteatting normalfags and woke femcels absolutely hated GOT’s last season and he’s made a direct comparison to how he treated Star Wars.

It’s beyond me how Disney just lets this retard constantly put his foot in his mouth on Twitter.

Why is he fukl of dust?

>but muh emperor
I hate this argument. Doing something wrong isn't justified only because it has already done wrong in the past. Case in point, Lucas didn't do Sheev wrong twice.

FtM trannies are like this. I think the Devil's tranny making machine is on the fritz. Definite drop off in quality with the younger ones.

fuck off Rian

I don't think the Emperor was dealt with badly though. His death came in the last act of the trilogy, it was very much the culmination of the whole series in that his death is conflated (rightly or wrongly) with the death of the Empire and his death provides a resolution to Vader's arc. When the Empire dies it feels like the natural end of the trilogy. When Snoke dies it means nothing, everything is the same as before Snoke died.

>aw yeah Rian having a little bounce are ya? Bit of an ol' bounce about, lovely. Not trying to make the movie less of a pile of shit? No? Just a bit of a bounce then, that's all right.

He's in heavy denial. He knows he's not directing a trilogy and will likely be relegated to executive producer and a "story by" credit just so that disney can save face.
Worse, when his new film bombs, his career will be completely done for. He's lost all his relevance. He used to be the guy that did 2 cool episodes of Breaking Bad and that awesome indie film no one saw (so no one knew how shit it actually was).
Now he's the guy who killed star wars.

honestly this, it's pretty sad how fucking brain dead some Yea Forums posters are

This. You don't need to know much about him because he's barely there before the halfway point of the last movie. Vad was the villain of the first two movies and we got plenty on him.
Snoke in the first movie was fine. But in the second, he appeared at the start and never went away. So we needed an explanation.

A common criticism on disney wars is that Snoke had no explanation.
Defenders say that the emperor had no explanation in the OT either. They ignore the fact that the emperor made perfect sense in the OT, whereas Snoke makes zero sense in a post rotj universe

Replying to your own troll post won't make people take it seriously, dude

He’s being set up as a sacrificial lamb after the post episode 9 “restructuring”, so he’s being given enough rope to hang himself.
They want to look like the good guys when they give him and other vocal retards the boot, but they won’t do it while episode 9 is in theatres.

that's ram bergman, the kike who actually ruined the movie and made rian take the fall

Except that Kylo still has the same motivations and actions both before and after killing Snoke, so it was entirely pointless.

see

>troll post
this is your brain on let

There is also the context. emperor is in the first movies, you can assume he made the empire,etc you can see his power in a way people react to him, his actions and in how the "big bads" of the movie bow to him and his authority. Snoke rolls into the 7th movie, 2 faggots kneel to him and out of nowhere he has weapons that might be old empire technology,etc you don't know. He undoes the republic and then gets killed, all of these are movies the author needs not something that makes sense

>that awesome indie film no one saw (so no one knew how shit it actually was)
fuck brick was a shit movie. i watched it more than once and i honestly couldnt tell you what it was about...some bitch went missing or some shit?? and honestly s,.o.,yboy main character fighting that cunt at the start and man handling that punk faggot was so unbelievable. immersion ruined! literally rian self inserting into the movie. hes a faggot, a shit writer and im bettin hes also a PIN DICK

He also has enough establishment already, so he doesn’t come out of narrative nowhere like Snoke did.
He was part of the status quo when the setting was established, and we learned he was a dark force user that exterminated the Jedi and corrupted Vader. That’s literally all you needed to know.
To contrast, Snoke is a completely new character that has absolutely no ties to the original foundations of the setting, and hence needs at least a token explanation for where the fuck he came from and how it was possible. As it stands he isn’t even a character. He’s just a plot device.

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The Star Wars trilogy that they said he was going to do seems to have been cancelled I guess... in favor of having DnD's trilogy instead.

That's my main gripe with the new trilogy, it doesn't feel like a sequel. It's like they won't acknowledge that Star Wars, both as a series of movies and as a story, has been going on for years. They cling on its symbols, recycling them, instead of accepting the weight of its legacy

>tfw you try to bait, shill for the Mouse and do some agitprop in the same post

Right now the narrative is that they’re being amalgamated.
They’re basically sidelining him so they can quietly kick him out if need be while not admitting to fucking up.

But the Emporer was referenced over multiple films, and even the brief amount of screen time he gets in RotJ is enough to give you a firm sense of the character, and feel emotionally satisfied when he gets betrayed by his most trusted lieutenant
Is Rian genuinely autistic, how is he still seething after 2 years

He's a retard, but JJ and Disney fucked him over bigtime. He was pretty much set up to fail by their poor decision-making and planning.

It's not about changing motivations retard, it's about defining choices for his character. Kylo is the first force user since Sidious to kill their master with the intention of taking their place. After waylaying on killing his mother earlier in the movie, he hardens to kill snoke. After being drawn out of the dark side by Rey, he rejects that by killing snoke, embedding himself further in the dark side.

That's not really THAT complex or meaningful, but the point is that who the fuck cares about snoke. He's only useful when it comes to kylo, and kylo killing him makes sense for kylo.

IDK why you fags are looking for these super deep plot threads and character motivations. They've never been a part of star wars.

based and also true

This is all Cuntleen Kennedy's fault.

First they hired one of the biggest hacks out there to do a rehash of ANH and fill it with "mystery boxes" that the cocknosed kike never had any intention of explaining like everything else the slithering cocksucker does. Then they compound it by hiring this fucking infant who's soo fixated with "subverting expectations" that he basically killed all of Abrams' mysteries and turning the next one into a dramatic dead end. Now Jew Jew is back and he's sure as fuck not going to deliver a satisfying climax because he absolutely doesn't know how to deliver a pay off to the garbage he sets up while he'll do nothing but load it with references and call backs.

They even dragged Billy Dee Williams into this out of desperation because the fucking retards killed off the two most popular characters and left the one alive whose actor fucking died.

Disney Wars has been a clusterfuck since day one and they haven't delivered a single fucking good movie since that fat turkeynecked cocksucker sold it to them!!!FACT!!!

>TLJ is honestly one of the best Star Wars movies. Cry more bitch nigger.

Rian, go take your ugly wife's strap-on up your ass and her black bulls cock in your mouth you babyfaced fucking faggot!!!FACT!!!

I hope one of you pathetic fans unironically kill him. This is the most childish man in Hollywood, constantly compensating for his height and little dick. Please someone murder this faggot, this post is worth the watchlist I'm now on

>Cuntleen
wow that's so clever

People just want an explanation for Snoke's origins. It's stupid to compare him to the Emperor, because the Star Wars universe and history has already been established for a while now. The Emperor was introduced after two previous movies, and given a proper backstory in the next three. Snoke was introduced after six previous movies, was killed off in the next movie, and will have basically no impact on the resolution on the final movie. Now they're reintroducing Sidious while claiming this was planned all along in order to save face. Disney is the only company stupid enough to dump $1 billion on an IP that practically printed money, and then kill it because they didn't think they should plan out their trilogy before making the first movie.

His career is just fine though and will continue to do so.
His next movie Knives Out has an all-star cast and rave advance screenings. Disney will protect him for the rest of his life.

>it's about defining choices for his character.

But his choices just make him keep doing the same thing that he was doing anyways. So it was all pointless.

>IDK why you fags are looking for these super deep plot threads and character motivations. They've never been a part of star wars.

I don't give a fuck about "deep plot threads" I just want to be entertained and not have my time wasted. Vader killing Palp makes the movie more interesting. Kylo killing Snoke is pointless and accomplishes nothing.

Only because you were a child when you saw the OT.

This. Fuck this shithole.

have sex

Whats more, and most importantly, his death serves no actually purpose to character or plot development

Retard

>Disney is the only company stupid enough to dump $1 billion on an IP that practically printed money

They paid $4 billion for it.

Who the fuck was Snoke? I don't know anything about the Star Wars EU. I'm just a casual who has seen the films once or twice each. Was he meant to be the new Emperor or something? I really don't get what the point of him was.

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He's totally unexplained unless it's covered in the EU somewhere. I'm still amazed at how much universe building the trilogy ignored. I have no idea what was supposed to be going on in the galaxy, and at this point I really don't give a shit about SW anymore. Pretty amazing how quickly Disney was able to do that.

He's meant to explain how the universe has reverted to exactly the status quo from episode 4 with nothing the heroes did meaning anything, but they never explained how he did that or where he came from and then killed him off, so in the end nothing in the entire series mattered.

>Is Rian genuinely autistic, how is he still seething after 2 years

I think he was hoping TLJ would be a controversial instalment, but opinion would ultimately bend towards viewing it favorably. It's been a year and a half now, and people have either found more to dislike about it, or worse, have decided to simply ignore it completely. IX will likely be a return to form for the Saga movies and might even retcon some of Rian's creative decisions. Even his frumpy waifu Rose has been excluded from the new trailer.

>Yes absolutely I agree that you shot not kill off a vaillain without explaining their AAAAAAAAAAAAAAUGH MAHDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK

Could someone please translate this into English for me?

>wow that's so clever

It would be to a knuckle dragging subhuman cockroach like you!!!FACT!!!

>This. Fuck this shithole.

Then fuck off back to your hugbox you worthless lowlife cocksucking nigger!!!FCAT!!!

We know literally nothing about him other than he’s a dark force user that pulled the resources of a new empire out of his ass.

I WANT TO CUM ON THAT FACE!!!FACT!!!

Rian is such a fucking manchild

Based

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In a twist of irony and humor, director Rian Johnson starts off his sentence by seemingly agreeing with the point he is trying to disprove. Suddenly, his train of thought seems to derail mid-sentence as he craftingly veers off into a Kafkaian exclamation, pretending to be Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars: The Return of the Jedi, who also died without explanation. Creator and creation merge, humor abounds and Rian manages to illustrate his message through laughter, while making the reader think back on his own mortality.

>the point is that who the fuck cares about snoke. He's only useful when it comes to kylo, and kylo killing him makes sense for kylo.

It's not about Kylo, it's about Rey. If you look at TLJ as teenage girl masturbatory fanfic, then Snoke's character makes perfect sense. his only purpose was to die at the hands of kylo so we see just how powerful our bad (but not really bad) love interest is and how far he's willing to go to choose our strong female lead over evil when push comes to shove. think 50 shades. think twilight. think hunger games. think angel/buffy. think xena/ares.

whos fucking who? thats what star wars is now. whos fucking who? dont like it? hang up your robe and retire your lightsaber with the rest of the EUfags. whos fucking who? is kylo fucking rey? whos fucking who? is rey fucking finn? whos fucking who? is finn fucking poe? is Lando fucking that robot? whos fucking who? oh look a black guy fucking some asian. nice. whos fucking who? the purple hair chick is poly so shell be fucking everything. great! whos fucking who? whos fucking who? whos fucking who?

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I’d be amazed if rose got more than two or three speaking scenes.
Jake, Snoke, Holdo and Rose are his most visible fuck ups, and while they’ll try damage controlling Jake, Rose is simply a shit character.

> the fucking retards killed off the two most popular characters and left the one alive whose actor fucking died.

I'll never get over the irony of this.

An evil space warlock who took control of the Imperial Remnants. Kind of like Kadann, Lumiya and so on from the old EU.

I'm not denying that he's a bad character from a narrative viewpoint, but lore-wise his presence makes perfect sense.

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Based af

He's keeping doing the same thing, but each time it's in reaction to turning away from the light. TFA: tempted by father to come back to the light, kills him. TLJ: tempted by Rey to come back to the light, kills Snoke and reaffirms his place in the dark side.

I'm not saying it's good or great. I'm just saying it's at least logical and at least consistent.

If you like TLJ then you unironically smell like catpiss.

Whoa whoa there champ. You can't just call women cunts like that.

Based and redpilled. Rian is terrible, but he doesn't share all of the blame. Disney/KK handed both him and JJ a figurative poisoned apple. JJ took the easy way out by making an incredibly derivative/"safe" movie that the brainless nostalgiafags would eat right up. Rian then had to salvage write his story around JJ's movie while under severe time constraints. While I appreciate that he didn't just go the "safe" route and do a complete rehash of ESB, he tried to go the whole "auteur" thing with someone else's story in an existing IP. He has the same problem as Gareth Edwards of trying to hijack existing IPs to aggrandize himself, but Edwards was forced into rewrites by Disney to make Rogue One more family friendly.

I still don't know who the bad guy was in the latest trilogy.

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Oof. That's even worse, although honestly I don't feel bad about their glorified fan fiction failing.

You can when they're cunts.

Here's how you fix Snoke (starting with remaking Episode VII):
Make him one of Palpatine's advisors.

Also, the First Order and the Imperial Remnant should be separate, or at least uneasy allies.

>The First Order are Dark Side acolytes and Palpatine loyalists who survived the destruction of the 2nd Death Star and the final stages of the Galactic Civil War. Snoke leads the First Order which is organized as a Dark Side cult venerating the Emperor and Darth Vader. Much of their goals focus on recovering lost Sith knowledge. Ben Solo was a promising student of Like Skywalker, but was turned by Snoke.

>The Imperial Remnant are made up of Admirals, Generals, Governors and Moffs who survived the war and reorganized under a military Junta. They are explicitly anti-Force user, light or dark side. They remember being under the yoke of Palpatine, Vader and their various Hands/Inquisitors and are determined to not be ruled in that way again. In addition to standard military units, they field specialized teams of highly trained and equipped, cybernetically enhanced commandos who can go toe-to-toe against members of the various Force-using sects that have sprung up after the dissolution of the Empire.

If Snoke and Kylo Ren MUST be integrated into the Imperial Remnant, it should be as conspiracy within the leadership. So only a few of the top members of the Imperial command structure know that their faction is actually being controlled by Dark Side force users. That means Snoke and his fellow Force users would have to be subtle about how they used their powers. No force chokes. But lots of mind tricks and sensing of intentions.

The throw-away line from TFA about "conditioning" the Storm Troopers becomes important. The brainwashing was meant to provide the Imperial Remnant with loyal soldiers, but the Imperial Officers have secretly been using the conditioning process to install their own version of a "order 66" into themselves and their soldiers.

The problem is that he’s both Old and strong in the force, and we have no clue how he was taught or hid from Sheev, since logically he’d be right below Yoda on his hit list if he was aware of him, as would any of his teachers.
The remnant is an issue to, since in the EU the republic maintained a military specifically to keep them in check and eventually absorb them, while the NuRepublic utterly ignored them, which implies they were insignificant enough from their appearance.

HEY YOU MANBABY
*watches Avengers 3*
SHUT UP YOU MANBABY CHILD MANCHILD
*watches Star Wars*
HAHA LITTLE MAN BABY
*buys toys*
HOOOOAAH MANBABY

>They paid $4 billion for it.

$4.05 Billion, my friend.

I recall an interview with Bob Iger and JJ Abrams in which JJ referenced the $4billion and Iger quickly corrected him on the outstanding $5 mil.

kek rian johnson will respond to every joe who @'s him. i'm going to start tweeting this soi nigga

>oh look a black guy fucking some asian
Is she confirmed dead after TLJ or what? She hasn't been in any promotional material for the new movie. It's sad, because I actually thought she was a cute character with some potential for the audience to see the Star Wars galaxy through the eyes of a "normal" person without any special abilities, but then Rian ruined his one good creative idea with that last scene in the movie. I honestly thought she was supposed to be a teenager up until that point.

The way I’d do Snoke is have him as someone who is a masterful manipulator and can bluff like no other, but is actually bitch tier in his force ability. The reason he wants Kylo around is so he’s got an easily lead thug under his thumb in case any of his subordinates get uppity/Luke comes knocking.
He’d be constantly trying to find artificial ways to increase his power, while hiding it from everyone else.

Problem being, Rian has not the experience, moral compass, intelligence, character or skill to be an auteur.
He is an immature, pretentious cunt.
I agree that he is far from being the only person to blame.

>I love how the man with the baby in front goes from normal smiling adult ....to mildly annoyed/embarrassed when awkwardly Rian enters the castle. It's all over his face.

How embarrassing.

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good job
you're still a punk

The problems with the film are all Rian’s fault, however the ultimate problem is that someone put him there in the first place and enabled him to ignore the peer review and critique that would have attempted to fix it.

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For me? It's the dust.

wow
Ruin really had contempt for sw

Honestly who in their right mind fucking doesn't? It's been unredeemable shit for two fucking decades now. The god damn video games are better than all the movies, TV shows, and books outside of the OT

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In the original films he didn't have a name, any kind of explained backstory or arc, or an apparent goal other than 'be evil and in charge just because', and made a noticable transformation between the second and third films in their original form (almost as though there hadn't been a clear plan or even design for him as a character). How did a little, seemingly ancient and physically frail guy end up in charge anyway? How does he know how to use the force? Was he a jedi who turned bad? Why does he look like that? What can he actually do? We didn't even know he or anyone could do the lightning thing until two minutes before he died because so little was explained about who he was or what he was capable of. Recasting with McDiarmid was genius as the performance he gave is iconic, but let's not pretend this was a deep, nuanced character. He was bad, old, had powers and was running shit. Done.

Go to bed rian

>I have no idea what was supposed to be going on in the galaxy,
This is my biggest problem.
Apparently there's supposed to be a new Republic, but we never see anything of it aside from it getting destroyed because Big Bad has to bad.
The First Order is remnants of the Empire, yet they somehow ended up even more powerful with no resistance and just give us the exact same war from the OT.
There was apparently a new Jedi Order from Luke and Kylo got Knights or some shit, we never see any of them.
I don't know, they're just trying to play ti super safe instead of actually having to think of something new and interesting.

DUSTY OLD BONES

FULL OF GREEN DUST

McDiarmid played the Emperor in the OT too. There was no recasting

Busted his coke bag there.

Enough!

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He was created as part of the setting. He doesn’t need any more explanation than what Obi-Wan, Tarkin, Vader and Yoda provided.
Had Lucas mentioned Snoke in any of the six movies he made, he wouldn’t need any more backstory either,

Wow he actually has a personality and doesnt conform himself to internet trolls. Based.

palpatine was well-explained though. did he not watch return of the jedi?

What is this from?

Reminder

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IMAGINE UNIRONICALLY WATCHING STARSHITS AFTER THE 80'S

He was always known as Palpatine in the promotional material and merchandise. Even before RotJ came out.

McDiarmid in Return of the Jedi was the recasting, as he didn't originally play the character in The Empire Strikes Back. McDiarmid was added to Empire when the DVDs were released in 2004.

More creative than TFA.

I meant between OT and Prequels

>He doesn’t need any more explanation
I'm not suggesting he did. Quite the opposite.

>I really don't get what the point of him was.
That's okay, neither did anyone at Disney.

he actually hates star wars and went deep undercover to destroy it

>I meant between OT and Prequels
Nobody was suggesting that they'd hired a different Ian McDiarmid for the prequels, but okay...

>We didn't even know he or anyone could do the lightning thing until two minutes before he died
Imagine typing this meaning it as a criticism. We need to holocaust zoomers.

>He was always known as Palpatine in the promotional material and merchandise. Even before RotJ came out.
That'll be why I said in the films, then.

It will never be adapted.

But Snoke does for the reason laid out in the post.

It actually wasn't a criticism. The point (that apparently needs to be spelled out) is that almost everything about him beyond the broadest strokes of 'evil sorcerer in charge' was left as a mystery. People didn't need or demand that everything be explained in excruciating detail then.

Fuck off, Rian. Everyone hates you, loser. Have sex.

True.

Good. The Mouse will never defile it.

The irony is that Jakku could have been more creative and visually distinct. They deliberately ditched pic related for a clone of Tatooine.

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Imagine if Sauron (who also had little to no backstory in the movies desu) was defeated and 30 years after events of LotR a new evil called Mauron rised with a greater army than Mordor and gets killed in the second movie. Yeah, that’s what Snoke basically is.

(you)

And HOW exactly does he do it that you love so much? Oh wait you mean you love THAT not HOW you stupid ESL faggot.

The difference between the Emperor and Snoke is in their context. In the original trilogy, it was established that the evil order of the Empire was in power and had been for quite some time. We were hitting the ground running. The fact that there's some kind of all-powerful generic evil baddie at the top of it all was the only backstory he needed, becausethe main focus of the story was elsewhere. He was basically there to present a physical manifestation of the dark side for Vader to rebel against in order to complete his redemption; his origins were not a part of the film's scope in any way.

Snoke, however, was the opposite. Now we had a backstory. The Empire had been destroyed, but somehow this new, even more powerful force rose from its ashes, with a dark and mysterious villain shown to be pulling the strings with intimate knowledge of the Jedi, the Sith and strong ties to Kylo. He was presented, almost immediately, as a character of importance, and our lack of knowledge about him left us with more than a few missing pieces of the plot. TFA forced the audience to ask questions about Snoke, and then TLJ swept him off the table as though he had never existed without answering anything.

The Emperor served his purpose. Snoke didn't serve his. Granted, his purpose was bigger, but that's entirely the fault of the writers and director. That's bad storytelling. The only reason people are going back to nitpick the Emperor's role in the OT is because capeshit has made people retarded and everyone think that every character in a franchise needs to have everything about them explained in an origin movie.

>effort
nah fuck it go back to the desert again, which makes it even weirder that they felt the need to waste a bunch of money and time on a retarded casino subplot

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Implying this was a good decision in ROTJ.
Implying Star Wars was ever good.

The important distinction between the Emperor and snoke is that the emperor was a legitimate threat who lured the rebels into a deathtrap, manipulated Luke into giving in to his violent urges and then completely wiped the floor with Luke and nearly killing him before Vader intervened. Sheev was thisclose to wiping out the entire rebellion because he was smart, ruthless and powerful, which made him a good villain

Compare that to Snoke, who literally did nothing of consequence and went down easily like a bitch. We never see Snoke do anything to indicate he's actually smarter or more powerful than anybody else, he just seems to be there so Kylo can murder him, but that twist is underwhelming since Snoke was weak and stupid in the first place so his defeat isn't much of an accomplishment.

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Not that hard to imagine actually.

eh... yi-kes

I understood what the emperors motivations were. I still dont know what snoke wanted.

>He was part of the status quo when the setting was established
This is so simple, and yet endless retards fail to grasp it.
It's amazing.

>shill responds to own post and then gets defensive about it

Pathetic

>turns into a silly murderous bad guy two (2) scenes later

Snoke is just a sequel to the original that is superior in every way that Disney relies on conjuring up through references and rehashing.

You got so many (You)s but at what cost?

We learn nothing about Snoke, and Kylo learns nothing.
It's pointless.

Rian Johnson honestly comes across as stupid.
He’s like a redditor who thinks because he has a modicum of interest in things outside the sphere of normalcy that he’s a free thinking genius.

What's an aughmahdek?

Well, most star wars movies are mediocre so yeah

Stannis?

>literally can't even last five seconds in a bounce house

general butt naked did it

He needs the everliving holy hell kicked out of him.

>how is he still seething after 2 years

Imagine being a nu-male that gets handed the biggest IP of all time. You get an almost unlimited budget. You get to overrule George Fucking Lucas and tear down the Jedi mythology. You get to insert whatever kind of weak SJW-tier shit you want. You get to make the Most Mary Sue character of all time. You have shills working tirelessly to pre-emptively convince people how awesome your vision is. You've basically become a cinematic god without doing anything to actually earn it because the mouse anointed you.

Then the thing comes out and people hate it. The fans won't shut up about how you ruined their favorite franchise. The most bulletproof franchise in cinema actually underperforms financially. Ant your benefactor the mouse reads the winds and immediately begins to distance themselves from your vision.

He got to live out his artistic dream only to have it blow up in his face. And it's not because he didn't have the budget or marketing support. He got to make exactly what he wanted to make and people hated it because his ideas were retarded. He got to live out his dream just to have people shit on it, which means he'll probably exist in a state of perpetual existential crisis now because when you get everything you ever wanted and it still goes to shit there's really nothing left to look forward to. Being Rian Johnson is like being in a very special kind of purgaotry.

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This is true though. Sidious was barely in ANH and ESB and was suddenly a dude with lightning powers. His backstory was later explained in the prequels like 20 years later

Not even close you cunt.

wtf I love nu-Wars now

It makes sense in Star Wars logic, since the dark side is like an addictive drug that motivates people to do increasingly heinous things in order to gain more power in it. The problem is that this doesn't really mesh with real world thinking, so you get situations where Anakin seemingly goes from a troubled guy with basically good motivations to massacring innocent kids because he was told to by some creepy old man.

If it's an outstanding 5 million then wouldn't it be 4.005 Billion?

>TFA
>Not Empire blows up a bunch of planets

>expected audience reaction: Oh gosh, the First Order just wiped out the Hosnian system, seat of the Senate of the New Republic! The whole leadership of the fledgling Republic has been erased in one fell swoop, the ensuing chaos will leave the way wide open for the First Order to move in and rebuild a new Galactic Empire!

>actual audience reaction: who are these people, what are these planets, I have never seen any of this before

Typical childish troll response. Snoke was a shit-tier character. All anybody cared about was him being somebody else. Poorly designed knock off of the Emperor.
So now, because they can’t create their own villains, these disney hacks are going to shoehorn the Emperor back in to try and draw fanboys to the theatre.

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This

>He got to live out his artistic dream only to have it blow up in his face.
He was stupid enough to try to live out his artistic dream with someone else's story and with only a year to actually develop it. He should have just played it safe, and then go crazy with his future trilogy that is now canceled.

But you did?

Based

If rey had agreed to join him it would have been an interesting twist

What Rian Johnson doesn't fucking realize is that the need for a backstory or explanation was completely different for the Emperor and Snoke. In the original trilogy the Star Wars universe was still fresh and there was plenty of mystery in every direction. Thus having an evil space wizard isn't really that strange.

Snoke came out of nothing and was made out to be a big deal at a point of time where literally everything about starwars has been explored. We have series, comics, games, hundreds of books explaining everything about the world. Star Wars is no longer mysterious and people expect that when completely new characters are introduced that they will somehow fit into the existing universe.

This is not the case for Snoke. He comes out of nowhere, looks unique and like a has a rich background. You can't just insert a new, powerful, influential Sith who is part of the empire into the story and then explain nothing about him or how his existence even makes sense. That's what this fucking retarded subverter of expectations doesn't get. Snoke and the Emperor were very similar, but the difference in context is what makes one of them great and the other a huge disappointment.

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The problem with the film is that for all the attempts to throw dead herrings at the audience via telling, what they showed was that she was utterly incorruptible and was never going to join him.
Every single time they tried showing us something that would be a gigantic dark side red flag for any other character, she utterly ignored even the hint of falling.
That dumb motherfucker Johnson even had her attack a defenceless old man from behind in a temper tantrum and pull a deadly weapon on him, yet did absolutely nothing to imply she was anything but righteous in doing so.

manchildren. manchildren on reddit don't.

yup

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what he said is fine

Are you saying is one of them?

im saying anyone that dedicates any energy in their life to this utterly shit series is one of them

So you're definitely saying that guy is one of them.

You are correct. It was $50M. I am a derp.

This. He explicitly stated he wanted half the audience to love it and half to hate it. As it turned out, most people hated it, and the rest don't think about it at all.

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OMG. I didn't even think of that!

In 10 years when the dust has settled and his trilogy is long scrapped he’s gonna come out and just admit that JJ & KK set a shit story up & he was penned into a corner.

Based this kills the reddit nigger

>reaching that hard
Good lord, are all OTfags like this?

>Get out of my hugbox!

Imagine the fat goblin that post's this shit.

>Be Rian Johnson.
>Get handed the biggest IP of all time after directing two movies and a few episodes of Breaking Bad.
>feelsgoodman.jpg
>I even get to write the script myself!
>*tosses out JJ Abrams' outline*
>I know better.
>The First Order magically has this massive fleet.
>The galaxy doesn't mobilize to save themselves.
>Poe gets demoted for saving everyone.
>The Resistance pretty much dies.
>Rey is girl power incarnate.
>idontneeddepth.png
>I have a great vision for Luke, though!
>Movie comes out.
>Fans think that I destroyed one of the greatest heroes in American mythology.
>fuckthem.gif
>Proceed to defend the movie by pointing out that the greatest Sith Lord ever had no depth even though he had depth.
>Next movie bombs because of me.
>Nooooooooooooooooo.jpeg
>Future trilogy may be cancelled.
I hope that my next movie doesn't make me radioactive at the box office.

Rian is retarded so he is surprised by anything in a story. Thus, he thinks surprises make a good story.

pretty good bait

>Even though he had depth.

By the time the emperor was killed in RotJ, we knew exactly as much about him as we did Snoke in TLJ.

>By the time the emperor was killed in RotJ, we knew exactly as much about him as we did Snoke in TLJ.
Not really. Snoke had no characterization other than his bitch fits at Kylo Ren. We actually learned that the Emperor is a puppet master in the Original Trilogy. He engineered the entire plot of ROTJ.

Leftist social programming demands that everyone have the persona of a teenage girl. Catty, back-biting, shit-talking, and never *actually* aggressive (because that's male behavior) but constantly, relentlessly passive-aggressive.

Winner

"It is such a quiet thing, to fall. But far more terrible is to admit it."

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We also know more about the Emperor by association with his enemies, allies and achievements
>faced by heroes such as Han, Leia, Obi-Wan and Luke, as well as the plucky rebellion
>master of the fearsome darth Vader, who hounded the rebel’s, killed his own men and maimed Luke
>has officers such as the ruthless Tarkin enforcing his will
>feared even by Master Yoda, who we saw utterly outclass Luke in wisdom and the force
Even before we met him, we knew he was serious business as a result of this. Now compare this to Snoke
>master of an emotionally unstable manchild that got beaten by a girl who literally heard of the force the day before
>commands absolute clowns like Hux, or Cowards like Phasma
>is faced by a ramshackle group of chucklefucks like MaRey, Jake, post lobotomy Leia, Rose, Finn and Holdo, the presence of whom drags down Poe, the only person near to competent on his own merits
>is barely mentioned apart from the aforementioned unstable man child and clown

We also learned that Snoke was the one behind Kylo and Rey's pairing, and masterminded getting to Luke through her.

Is he Snoke? What would happen if he replaced Snoke?

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So you have described why the emperor is a more fearsome and commendable enemy than snoke. This has absolutely nothing to do with the OP though.

...except that we're also told that force connections like that can kill someone.

So? I'm sorry, I'm not arguing the competence or fearsomeness of snoke. I'm arguing for the level of plot related detail the character has in the film's at the time of death. Snoke is pretty much 1:1 with the emporer. It was done that way on purpose. Absolutely the emperor was done better; the information we have about him and his interactions present us a formidable and terrifying foe, and his death is a the climax of two of our main characters arcs.

That's why the emperor is better than snoke is shit. That's a good argument. However, it's not a good argument for
>Wahhh why didn't i know more about snokes origins and motivations??????
Because the emperor didn't have that when he died. Rian is right. He's a fucking little bitch who is *technically* right, but he's still right.

Fortunately I’m not responding to OP.

I'm the person you responded to here
This is the exact same argument as the OP. I also explained this further here
There wasn't more information and development on the emperor than there was for snoke. It was just done better, and created a better villain in the emperor. But that's not the argument we're having here.

>a 4 minute trailer is better than a 2 hour movie
Explain this

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My post was detailing a side point that the Emperor was a more effective character despite occupying a similar niche.
I'm not quite sure why you think it's related to the OP, which is about how Rian Johnson doesn't grasp that a character created as the status quo doesn't require the same amount of explanation as a character created later that has to fit into an established setting.

My bad, my argumentative autism thought you were arguing against the specific argument presented in the OP. Please continue.

If you're going via ripping off the EU, just rip off the darth bane trilogy, and claim that it's either Darth Andeddu, or that Bane actually possessed Zannah at the end of their duel, and has been body snatching ever since.

We hated TLJ because of minorities and women

Rise of Skywalker is bringing back male characters and will focus mainly on white people. We should support this movie by helping it beat Endgame at the box office to show Disney we want more white people

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Would the Knights of Ren be a violation of the Rule of Two?

Can someone just punch him already

It depends if he treats them as actual apprentices or just disposable flunkies. Or if he's gone nuts over the years due to bodyswapping and/or because Sidious fucked up his 1000 year plan, and no longer cares.

I cn giv (you), fren.

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>We hated TLJ because of minorities and women

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Good. It will be forever pure and unraped.

Because it allowed me to empathize with the brothers by showing the struggles that they went through,had a plot that was satisfying and actions had consequences.

holy shit how many disneymom bux do u get for this post total bs

even then, Anakin’s situation doesn’t make a ton of sense, since even for a dark side guy doing a sith lord’s bidding requires obedience and some level of restraint

Based and Rianpilled

barefoot man in public, how disgusting

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They’re Frens!

they hated kreias doubles because they told the truth

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The Virigin Sheev vs the Chad Valkorion

Thanks to this diminutive faggot every time someone watches a space battle is Star Wars they will be asking themselves "Why aren't they hyperspace ramming each other?" and it will never EVER be explained on screen. The most that will be done is Lucasfilm will tell nerds to buy their shitty book if they want an explanation to this visual stunt that broke every movie, but no one will make the effort to fix that for the films. What snarky shit will he say about that?

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Given that he's working with the crayon cartel, he'll probably steal their line about
>X unrealistic thing is part of the setting, that means I can piss internal consistency up a wall at will!

Fuck off disney

oh man i want someone to make a pepe/wojak stealing oxygen. not sure how to visualize this.

>there are posters on this board RIGHT NOW who aren't just retarded, but proud of it

The nukes can't come fast enough

We're the only true SW fans

You could just have hyperspace rockets, smaller unmanned vessels with a hyperdrive

Jesus fucking Christ, is this really what a big shot hollywood director Rian Johnson does all day?

>Thanks to this diminutive faggot every time someone watches a space battle is Star Wars they will be asking themselves "Why aren't they hyperspace ramming each other?"

Best part is the very first movie of star wars specifically goes out of it's way to explain why hyperspace ramming is fucking stupid.

The EU's explanation was better. Hyperspace there was its own dimension where FTL travel was possible. What happens in hyperspace mostly stays in hyperspace. Hyperspace ramming does the damage it ought to but so much of it is contained in hyperspace that it's useless for harming realspace things.

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I read somewhere that symmetrical rounded heads are common for people with autism. Its true for me and I have the tism. Then there's his entire twitter... Just saying

Explain. I don't want to rewatch it because I don't have the OG versions.

Han says that it just drops you into whatever you'd hit in realspace if you fuck up the calculations. So basically all Holdo would do is jump forward, land back in space and hit them at normal speed

the rule of two already means basically nothing now that vader canonically had a ragtag group of siths under his command, and darth maul existed for a while too

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The Emperor wasn't in the first movie because he served no purpose. Vader had the emotional conflict with Obi Wan (transferred to Luke following his death) and thus was the main villain the film needed.

When Lucas came up with the idea of redeeming Vader, that required a greater evil that could be defeated, which is where the idea of the Emperor as a literal embodiment of evil finally came into play.

Snoke served no narrative purpose, but was put into these movies anyways to sell toys and give people shit to speculate about. You could have just had Kylo Ren in charge of the First Order from the start and it would have made no difference, because Kylo killing him made no difference to his character.

>(((We))) hated TLJ because...
>hows it going, fellow fans. Let's go watch Rise of Skywalker. Based JJ is going to save star wars again!

The budget cuts at Lucasfilm have not been kind to their shill department.

The rule of two means nothing because Disney nuked the EU.

Wow. fuck Rian Johnson

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checked and kekked

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I miss him

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This. Just ignore TLJ's hyperspace ram (it actually had a negligible impact to the plot), like you ignore TLJ. When someone brings up the ramming, just shrug and say it contradicts established lore and is not canon. This will probably make them mad and they might insist that canon is determined by the Storygroup. Feel free to sigh and patronize them with an "oh sweetie" and remind them at the Storygroup only collates canon for Disney's continuity, nothing more.

This. Star Wars always sucked. The Universe of SW and what you can do with it is better than the movies themselves. They're all crap

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in the old EU, Sidious and Plagueis fucked with the rule of two deliberately because they thought it was no longer necessary. Sidious didn't abandon it completely, given that he never considered the acolytes to be true apprentices, but he definitely played loose with it and didn't have anywhere near the reverence for it that Bane and Zannah held.
It's part of the arrogance that led up to him getting killed

>He's meant to explain how the universe has reverted to exactly the status quo from episode 4
I didn't you absolute dumbshit. The only reason the first part of TFA was First Order dominated was because the were dealing with a First Order expeditionary force intended to find Luke Skywalker.

The Emperor's death fractured the Empire and led to the formation of the New Republic and the First Order as seperate sovereign entities. Luke creates a new Jedi school in the Republic, which suffers a critical blow when Ben Solo kills everyone and fucks off to learn about the dark side of the force.

Thus, instead of of engaging in open warfare, the Republic elects to fund and provide military resources (e.g., Leia's group) to the "Resistance," essentially a guerilla force in First Order territory. The Republic then peddled propaganda that the Resistance was a homegrown revolutionary force, which was only partially true, in the hope that the First Order would crumble from the inside as the Empire had.

However, the First Order under General Hux took extreme scorched Earth preemptive action and essentially nuked the Republic before the Resistance could gain too much traction. It then hunted down Resistance remnants to stamp out solidify authority within its territory during the ensuing chaos. Ben Solo also takes advantage of that chaos to assassinate the sitting dictator and assume control of the First Order. However, the more powerful Ben becomes in pursuit of dark, the more he creates a counterpoint in the light side of the Force because the Force ALWAYS seeks balance - that's Rey, that's why she's such an absolute fucking unit, that's what Qui Gon Jinn was talking about in TPM and nobody listened, and that's where we are now.

None of this is status quo.

>But you did?
Only if you struggle with basic reading comprehension. The Emperor was recast after Empire Strikes Back, with Ian McDiarmid (who is one person, not two - I realise this may be complicated to some) played the character in Jedi and the prequels.

Any people here who haven't watched any of these mov- products and are simply enjoying Disney fucking itself over whilst pissing of manbabies?

>However, the more powerful Ben becomes in pursuit of dark, the more he creates a counterpoint in the light side of the Force because the Force ALWAYS seeks balance
that's a misunderstanding of how the force works.
The dark side is a cancer, not an opposing side of the coin. You'll notice that the light side is never once mentioned in the first six films, and there's a reason for that.

Kek Rian being an exemplary brainlet.

Sheev did receive plenty of characterisation in the OT, though. What the fuck is Rian even talking about here?

>bizarre man
Hes not a man by any stretch

What are you even trying to argue other than just being autistic? Tlj and it's description of the light and dark side are canon.

We knew what were Palpatine's goals in ROTJ. Even without the prequels, at least we know SOMETHING.

I honestly have no idea what was going on with Snoke.

Read the thread. Plot point for plot point, Snoke had the exact same plot relevance and details as Sheev when he died.

Lucas a shit. I will never forgive him for destroying the negatives. Who the fuck does that?

I thought this was some sort of comedy sketch where the guy on the castle is the guy with the kid's retarded friend who gets embarrassed with the retard, like Peep Show or something,but holy shit it's actually a real, candid moment depicting real retard Rian. Wew lad.

They're canon because they wrote themselves into a corner with Rey and needed to bullshit their way out of it.
Pretending it's anything else or that it's reflected anywhere else in the series is laughable.

Bait fucking harder nigger.

Oh it will. Not successfully though.

>Who the fuck does that?
People who aren't responsible for making those negatives in the first place and but have been taking the credit for it.

>Tlj and it's description of the light and dark side are canon.
>The Force having a will which perpetually puts the galaxy in conflict is canon

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>canon is so fucked up that they inadvertently ram straight into a deconstruction of contemporary EU trends that were getting ridiculous
The absolute fucking state

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>that's a misunderstanding of how the force works.
>The dark side is a cancer, not an opposing side of the coin. You'll notice that the light side is never once mentioned in the first six films, and there's a reason for that
I would disagree with your conclusion based on the same evidence.

The nature of the force was fundamentally misunderstood by the hopelessly dogmatic Jedi, which is why Darth Vader happened in the first place. Anakin fulfilled the prophesy, Obiwan and Yoda had just misinterpreted what "balance" meant based on their misunderstanding of the force.

Qui Gon, however, understood this but couldn't enact change in his current form. So, he invented force ghosting then allowed himself to be taken by Darth Maul to allow Obiwan and Anakin's lives to play out. Obiwan only reaches that level of enlightenment in EP4, too late to prevent the Empire, but just in time to mentor Luke Skywalker. Same cycle is happening to Luke/Ben/Rey, and Luke only realises it at the end of TLJ.

>inadvertly
Yeah, I’m sure you’re the only one who figured out that violence begets violence.

Shit, I fucked that up. Meant the guy with the kid gets embarrassed with the tard.

Wow you must have read extra material because *none* of that exposition was in the movie, leaving audience with many questions.

Which TLJ didn't answer.

>Obiwan only reaches that level of enlightenment in EP4
Not that guy but even RotJ Obi-wan disbelieved in Vader being redeemable. RotJ Luke is tons of times more enlightened.

I want to see Kreia do a review of TLJ.

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Why were the #Resistance so pathetic before the Super Duper Death Star blew up those five planets in one solar system? It's been thirty fucking years.

Shut the fuck up, you pussy. It'll stop being a shit hole once you leave.

>Anakin fulfilled the prophesy,
He did that by destroying the Sith. Lucas even added a line in RoTJ to hammer that point home since people missed it.
>So, he invented force ghosting then allowed himself to be taken by Darth Maul
Pure Headcanon.
>Obiwan only reaches that level of enlightenment in EP4, too late to prevent the Empire, but just in time to mentor Luke Skywalker
Except he advises the precise opposite. It's Luke that comes to the correct conclusion on his own, and directly against the advice of Obi-Wan and Yoda, which is why his appearance in the sequel trilogy is such a fuck up

This is a great example of the logical fallacy of “whataboutism”
Rian makes no attempt to actually defend what he believes with reason or words or whatever but rather relies on pointing to other perceived examples of his flawed views as a way to say “well if you’re gonna complain about me you should complain about this too”

In no way does he give a reason for why he’s right, he just points out when other people did the same thing. It’s like when the kid in the class complains to the teacher that other kids were doing it too once he gets caught, as if that’s justification for doing something wrong.
(Also I find it humorous that he implies that he made the writing decision because it had been done in a previous well accepted film in the franchise, yet supporters consistently applaud him for being brave or bold)

TSL was a parody of bad writers being unable to write conflict without repeating over the same ground over and over again. the writing of NuWars fits this so snugly it's depressing.
Hell, Snoke fits slap bang into another parody; Nihlus. It's practically comical how Avellone's mockery of hack writing came true.

I don’t think this is a reach. That being said it’s supposed to be the same symbolism in TLJ, so I don’t think it’s great justification of the differences.

ALSO LOL I JUST REALIZED HOW STUPID OF AN ARGUMENT RIAN IS EVEN MAKING IF THEYRE BRINGING BACK THE EMPEROR. JESUS FUCK. WHAT A SHITSHOW

Yeah. And he’s been vastly improved by the years of context given to him. You’d think they’d have learned by now to not make the same decisions they made almost 40 years ago. But instead they’re too afraid to do something different and thus are doomed to mediocrity.

>videogameschronicle.com/news/jedi-fallen-order-writer-didnt-like-last-jedis-execution/
>“I thought that portrayal of Luke Skywalker was very weak,” he told VGC. “I thought they gave him a scapegoat role that wasn’t merited and didn’t fit with his character, in my opinion.
>“I like the fact that they were playing around with it, but at the same time I didn’t like the execution and I thought it could have been handled a lot better or differently.”
>He added: “I also thought it was a case of comedy goes too far, side characters and massive detour plots were rapidly introduced… I liked what they were trying to do, I just didn’t like how it was executed.”
Help me Chris Avellone, you're my only hope.

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I find it funny how even Darth Vitiate, very much a Sheev clone, has more going for him than Snoke. Then there's Valkorion who could have been his own disconnected character.

I think people are upset about Snoke because they actually like Kylo. In A new Hope, Palpatine doesn't even have a name, none of the good guys talk about him. In TFA Han, Leia, they directly mention Snoke and his relation to Kylo. They hint at something more. Kylo's story is interesting to people, Snoke plays into that and is interesting. There is a desire, and they failed to fulfill it by killing Snoke.

Palpatine, we got it from the movie. It paid off what it hinted at. This big bad guy that's more powerful than vader and commands the empire. I don't know, it's not hard for me to say, Im just some random dude, not some big time hollywood director.

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Disney: Buys Marvel Comics and turns every character they have, even a talking tree, into a gazillion dollar mega franchise. Toys sell like hot cakes. Shits out 3 movies a year.

Also Disney: Buys Star Wars and makes George Lucas's prequel fuck ups look minor in comparison to the sequel trilogy. Turns life long fans away from the franchise. Can't sell toys when the lifeblood of Star Wars has always been merchandising. Thinks fans can't handle one movie a year so they slow down their release schedule.

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DISNEY! HIRE THIS MAN!

This is why KOTOR games are by far the best part of the Star Wars universe

Ok, this is epic

>Oh no Rian the hack blocked me on twatter, my life is over now might as well kms

For the same reason that a caterpillar with cordyceps will climb on top of a leaf and let itself be eaten by a bird
He's infected with the mind virus

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Remember, Disney bought the Star Wars franchise and then *DELETED* all of the EU. Any EU material they try to sneakily adapt, they alter enough to obscure its origin. (Yes, Thrawn is the one exception).

That would be like Disney buying Marvel, then making movies based on the comics, but changing names and places just so people couldn't identify the original source material. Instead of Ant-Man, you get Bug-Dude. No Thor, it's Thunder-Man instead, and he weilds a sword. It sounds retarded because it is retarded. Kathleen Kennedy, JJ Abrams and Kiri Hart are retarded.

This is missing his Kaposi's Sarcoma on his upper left cheek

wasn't this an episode of american dad?

has anything, ever in the history of time triggered incels more than this tweet?

>Visits a guy he crippled
>"You HAVE to forgive me, man."

kino

>That would be like Disney buying Marvel, then making movies based on the comics, but changing names and places just so people couldn't identify the original source material. Instead of Ant-Man, you get Bug-Dude. No Thor, it's Thunder-Man instead, and he weilds a sword. It sounds retarded because it is retarded. Kathleen Kennedy, JJ Abrams and Kiri Hart are retarded.
I never thought of it that way, but you’re right. Fuck me it gets worse every time you think about it.

he's right you know

it seems that the emperor in star wars OG trilogy was just doing it for the lulz, even after the prequels its hard to grasp Sheev's true motivations

There's so much shit in the EU that no matter what character you make there will be similarities to someone from the EU.

Deleting the EU might have been the one thing Disney got right, but considering they shat on their own canon soon afterwards, it was all pointless anyway.

>Compare that to Snoke, who literally did nothing of consequence and went down easily like a bitch. We never see Snoke do anything to indicate he's actually smarter or more powerful than anybody else, he just seems to be there so Kylo can murder him, but that twist is underwhelming since Snoke was weak and stupid in the first place so his defeat isn't much of an accomplishment.

Note that no one responded to your post, especially to this part, probably because it would hurt the shills' narrative.

>He did that by destroying the Sith.
And restoring balance to the force in the process.
>Pure Headcanon
Except tha Qui Gon is the first force ghost, soooooo
>Except he advises the precise opposite
Only with respect to Sidious and the dark side, not regarding the overarching nature of the force. Obiwan is worried about Sidious taking another one of his apprentices through manipulation, while Yoda is anxious about Luke's fear of loss, heroic recklessness, and desire for easy power to solve the problems in front of him. Luke also demonstrated that he was unable to master these emotions by his performance in the Dagobah Cave.

Most of these are fears are about Luke, not statements about the interactions of the force. Notably, this anxiety is focused on Sidious and the dark side, not Darth Vader.

Obiwan alludes to his own ignorance, mistakes, and hard earned wisdom when he speaks to Luke about points of view, hearing what you want to hear, and believing what you want to believe. Likewise, Yoda sends Luke to confront Darth Vader in ROTJ, not to destroy him. Also notably, Yoda says nothing about confronting Sidious or ending the Empire. This suggests that both have learned something from the events that took place in EP3, because their approach is the polar opposite of their prior methods.

I agree that it should have been Obiwan who visited Luke on the island, not Yoda. However, it's not unreasonable to think Yoda finally grasped what he had been missing when Luke proved him wrong in ESB, then decided to finally let go of his attempts to control the force in ROTJ and just let things play out.

>Acts like a retard on twitter
>claims he was just pretending to be retarded to trigger Incels on 4-Chan
Go away, Rian. Looper was shit.

Power. Here's a hint: power is it's own reward and lets you do whatever you want.

I think had they replaced the EU with something better, they could've gotten away with it. Instead what they replaced it with was so fucking terrible that no matter how many shill articles were claiming that the EU was worse, no one was believing them.

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yeah, but what

did he need that power for whores, to build himself a mansion? we never see him do anything besides sitting on that throne

all in all Sheev was a very shitty villain portrayed by a very good actor

unlimited powah is not a motivation, user

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>I think had they replaced the EU with something better, they could've gotten away with it.
A hundred times I agree with this.
The eu had so much shit mixed in that most "hardcore" fans I was aware of were happy it was being purged. At first.
We all had the same hopes - that they'd get rid of the shit and keep the gold but represent it in a more streamlined way. This was before TFA

I personally was on board simply because they needed a blank slate for a good movie without things cluttering it, and that they could pick and choose what to include later once they'd got them out of the way.
The double whammy of the ST being absolute dogshit followed by the New EU being given to the worst hacks is what makes me contemptuous of the decision.

Because the resistance was a proxy of the Republic.

Think Cold war. New Order is USSR. The Republic is the U.S. The Resistance us the Taliban.

US funds the Taliban and send CIA to train them in order to drain resources from USSR and spread propaganda that the USSR are bad guys stomping on local freedom fighters. In our timeline, the USSR just took it on the chin and eventually was overthrown internally, and Afghanistan and the Taliban were contributing factors.

Now imagine USSR had instead said fuck these cold war proxy games and fuck you America, and launched its entire nuclear arsenal at the US in a preemptive strike. Now the remaining Taliban fighters are completely outclassed, outgunned, and cut off from their supplies.

That's what happened in TFA/TLJ. At the end of TLJ, we're on the Falcon with the last of the goatfucking freedom fighters trying to decide wtf to do now, but you have an ace in the hole because you still have a Space Wizard and everyone generally hates Russia.

If you think this, you truly understand nothing.

I agree. Never really got into the EU, aside from a few games which I don't know if they count as EU-canon, so I don't know how good or bad it was.

But the EU was hundreds of books created over decades (I think), while Nu-Wars managed to shit on the lore in 4 films and less than 7 years.

He wanted power as its own end, which is what all Sitch ultimately fall into. They begin wanting it for a reason, but that reason always falls away and that's left is a desire for power.

The US would have promptly glassed the planet, because unlike the republic they aren't toothless bitches and aren't retarded enough to watch a rival power grow while doing absolutely jack shit.

He more visibly he takes the fall for Kennedy, the better for his career.

Wait, who was Jake?

"The Party" in 1984 is another cartoonish villain

No wonder people love GRRM so much, he gets it.

Which means Rian Johnson is correct and star wars villains always do ze evil for the lulz and not for any compelling mature reason.

I mean, even nazis, the closest we have to real cartoon villains had the motivation of becoming gods on earth by means of eugenics and tech worship.

But in fiction we always get the same thing "im evil because i want to LOL!!!!"

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