"We Were Wrong": Behind Fox's 'Dark Phoenix' Debacle

>Insiders tell The Hollywood Reporter that in a series of postmortem meetings on Apocalypse, execs came away thinking that the movie's failure had been due to an excessive amount of explosions and scale, not due to franchise fatigue generally. "There was a misguided feeling that [Apocalypse] was an anomaly, that we just got it wrong," says one Fox insider familiar with those meetings. "We were wrong."

>Audience fatigue and erosion have hit even the most venerable franchises. Hence the proliferation of reboots, reimaginings and ever grander cinematic universe ambitions. “It’s a real head-scratcher on how you keep coming back,” says one studio executive, noting that even James Bond and Star Wars have had ups and downs. Some franchises, like Fast and Furious, have reinvented themselves with new concepts and a new cast. Others, such as Die Hard and Terminator, keep underperforming critically (if not commercially) no matter how persistently producers bring them back.

>With Dark Phoenix, Fox did not reboot X-Men. In some ways, it doubled down on what it had; it went back to the cast from Apocalypse and then decided to tackle a story previously adapted in 2006’s X-Men: Last Stand, the Brett Ratner-directed entry generally considered among the worst in the franchise. Fox then tapped Simon Kinberg to helm the movie.

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>Kinberg co-wrote Last Stand and resurfaced years later as a producer on 2011's X-Men: First Class, which rebooted the series with a new cast and new time period. Kinberg became an architect of the franchise, but was not a director. However, he stepped behind the camera, to a lesser extent on Future Past, greater on Apocalypse, when director Bryan Singer would not show up on set, according to several sources. Kinberg's work on Apocalypse won over the franchise's A-list stars, whose three-film deals were up with that movie. The entire group decided to re-up for one last outing.

>Shooting began at the end of June 2017 and wrapped in October of that year. But during postproduction, Kinberg and Fox realized reshoots would be needed. Due to a cast that included in-demand actors such as Jennifer Lawrence, James McAvoy, Michael Fassbender, Jessica Chastain and Nicholas Hoult, the reshoots didn’t occur until October 2018. What followed, according to several sources, was two weeks of principal shooting and three weeks of second unit, happening concurrently.

>Fox executives were not concerned about the reshoots, which have become de rigueur for big superhero spectacles and are often built into contracts. (In fact, the X-Men movie that may have had the most reshoots is First Class, say current and former Fox executives. The movie, which shot in Georgia and London, wrapped its initial shoot with the third act only half complete because filmmakers knew their ending didn’t work. Reshoots occurred months later in Los Angeles, with the resulting movie a hit.) What the reshoots did, however, was force a change in release dates, and it’s here that Dark Phoenix, already made under ill-advised auspices, began to veer more off track.

How fucking retarded do you have to be to expect a franchise to pump out cash forever?

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If the old and new films are connected through DoFP then does that mean they did the dark phoenix story twice in the same universe?

>At first, the movie had a release date of Nov. 2, 2018. With more work needed on the movie, it was pushed to Feb. 14, 2019. Then, with marketing already underway, Fox pushed the release date to June 3, 2019. Initially, the studio messaged that the move was to take advantage of a Chinese release and hopes for a strong global performance.

>However, insiders tell THR that the move was to placate James Cameron, Fox’s most important filmmaker, and his concerns for his movie, Alita: Battle Angel. According to one source, Cameron felt Alita would lose horribly when facing a December opening weekend that included Aquaman and Bumblebee, with Mary Poppins Returns opening up two days earlier. He wanted his expensive movie shifted. Stacey Snider, according to this source, obliged, giving Alita the February date and moving Dark Phoenix to June. “Emma, Hutch and Simon begged her not do it,” says this source.

>Part of the reasoning was that Dark Phoenix was not designed to be a summer movie, says the Fox insider. In some ways, it was designed to be an anti-Apocalypse, to have less spectacle and scale. Big for off-season, too small for summer, says this person.

>At the time, preparations for the Disney-Fox acquisition were in full swing. Marketing and publicity and distribution execs were either being forced out or had one eye on the door. “The campaign was muddled,” says a former Fox executive. “Was this the final X-Men movie? Was it about a character going back? This movie just got lost.”

Lol jim fucked them

anyone over the age of 13 who watches capeshit should be sterilized.

>An NRG tracking poll taken in May showed that Avengers: Endgame, Marvel Studios' rival superhero franchise, was rated higher than Dark Phoenix as a choice for moviegoers — and that’s after Endgame had been playing in theaters for five weeks already. “Definite awareness never got a score over 75 on tracking,” says one insider. “An X-Men movie had never been below 90.”

>“When definite awareness of Rocketman is higher than an X-Men movie, you know you’re in strange territory,” says another insider.

>With the movie’s dismal opening, its low critics' score (22 percent on Rotten Tomatoes), and a B- Cinemascore with audiences signaling an outright rejection, the finger-pointing began in earnest. Lauren Shuler Donner, who has been a producer on the franchise since the first movie, tweeted, then deleted, “Save your condolences. I had zero, nothing to do with Dark Phoenix. Or Apocalypse, or New Mutants.”

>Fox insiders say this is true, noting that Donner additionally did not have anything to do with the successful Logan and Deadpool and Deadpool 2, either, on which she received producer credit, thanks to generous contract terms. Donner, according to Fox insiders, has not been involved with the X-movies since leaving under a cloud of “creative differences” during the making of Future Past.

>Meanwhile, one former Fox executive notes, “If the merger didn’t happen, some of these people would be worried about their jobs. If the merger didn’t happen, people would be clamoring for Fox to do what Sony did with Spider-Man and ask for Marvel’s help.”

>Dark Phoenix is not technically the last X-Men movie made by Fox. New Mutants, plagued by horrible buzz and numerous release date shifts, is, at this stage, set to open next April. Whether that will happen remains to be seen. Some speculate the movie could shift to a streaming run on a Disney-owned digital platform.

>“I never write off any great franchise if there’s one underperformer,” says senior box office analyst Paul Dergarabedian of Comscore. “It’s always a learning lesson. And there’s a lot of lessons to be learned from this one.”

>There is a near-certainty that the property will be revived by Marvel itself, and its president Kevin Feige, although that is likely years away. “There is no rush to bring the X-Men to the marketplace after this,” says one producer. “And when they come back, it’s going to extend Marvel’s run another 10 years.”

>Says Dergarabedian: “Never give up on a franchise that’s been this good, this ubiquitous and this influential. I’m sure there’s more to come.”

Movie studio executive retarded?

>Audience fatigue
so, that was it?

Yeah like the fatigue over 20 marvel movies in 10 years. Oh wait..

>Says Dergarabedian: “Never give up on a franchise that’s been this good, this ubiquitous and this influential.“
Just say cash cow, it’s faster.

>Storm doesn't use her powers to shield them from the rain

and all for our girl!

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audiences are cancelled!

floplita still failed though

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>Kinberg
please I just want to stop seeing it everywhere

I don8t believe a fucking word of this. Disney pressured them into delays and changes because it’s a better movie and a better version of the same story we got in Captain Marvel.

>a franchise that’s been this good, this ubiquitous and this influential
He forgets that the franchise came to film prominence by riding the coattails of the comic books and to a lesser extent animated series. When the Xmen movies first started coming out there were a couple generations of fans who grew up reading those comics. Now no one reads comics and the hype for the series has almost completely died off.

So they fucked up the usual marketing tricks they employ when they've got a shit movie. Sucks for them I guess.

Wasnt the ending basically endgame?

get a real job nigger

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Such bullshit. It's not fatigue. Fatigue is jerking off 7 times a day because of anxiety and still not having the mental stress relief you're looking for.

The movie was just badly written.

>due to an excessive amount of explosions and scale,
I have not seen an X-Men movie since First Class and now I'm interested

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One of the problems with Apocalypse was that the ending was just destruction porn and everyone lining up to shoot their powers at the generic baddie all at the same time.
The problem with Dark Phoenix was that everyone in the movie is giving lip service to how destructive and evil this power is and how it's this universe-level threat and will undermine all the good the X-Men ever did, but at the end of the day: one character dies, 3 buildings have a hole in them, and a train-yard is ruined. Too low-scale for this to seem like any sort of existential threat.

Nice strawman, nobody ever argues Jews are stupid, just that they are malevolent towards out groups.

>Simon Kinberg wrote X-Men The Last Stand

>Simon Kinberg wrote and directed X-Men Dark Phoenix

THEY will happily throw hundreds of millions away as long as one of the tribe remains in charge

Makes sense, why would you risk losing power or elevating someone from an outgroup. They don't ever want to have a bunch of gentile Spielberg's rise to prominence.

>in-demand actors such as Jennifer Lawrence

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>With Dark Phoenix, Fox did not reboot X-Men
Oh, fuck off. It was only the 4th IN the reboot series.

>studio execs are idiots
Well there's a surprise...

>in-demand
That she goes away

The problem is, and always will be, a bunch of marketing retards that don't even watch, read or understand the content they're trying to distribute.
This is what happens;
>talented people make a great movie
>unfortunately, great movie doesn't sell well
>"well shit, that must not be what the people want"
>rinse and repeat a few times, sacking the failures and using new blood
>now all of a sudden a marketing person laterally lands the job from inside the company
>make a mediocre movie that does great in the box office
>these are the people getting promoted and moved up through the industry
It's literally the same thing happening to the game industry. Mass appeal is what became important, and when you reach too far, you alienate the fans and even the plebs start to realize how shitty your movies are.

Which X Men before this didnt sell well?

>it was designed to be an anti-Apocalypse, to have less spectacle and scale. Big for off-season, too small for summer, says this person.

they really think that bigger equals better

First Class underperformed relative to the first X-Men trilogy but it bounced back with Days Of Future Past.

It's an angsty relationship drama not capekino action which is why I didn't watch it.

Movies don't necessarily have to bomb to get a shuffling of leadership. It goes back as far as X1 and 2 vs X3, and when the release doesn't get the reception everyone was hoping for, it happens, especially when it's a capstone production that everyone is expecting to do exceedingly well.

Do people actually watch movies based on the season? Like hey it's summer, explosion movie time! This can't be real, right? Is this an American thing?

I don't know, those marvel morons must be really fucking stupid with... what? 15-20 movies?

Literally all but maybe 2 or 3 of them full blown record setting blockbusters that produced so much revenue that they actually had to pay out residuals even with the widely known intentionally convoluted financial structures that are designed to create paper financial losses and avoid taxation and financial obligations as much as possible?

Still to this day? Even including the Spiderman movie that will guaranteed make a shitload of money?

(not a discussion about quality, just a discussion about the concept of audience fatigue, there is no such thing for Marvel, or at least no evidence; most of the biggest hits have come RECENTLY in Marvel history, with the lower revenue movies earlier on)

if anything marvel's Arc is long enough to mean that we are MAYBE just right now hitting the peak... MAYBE the next few movies will start to show declining revenue. That would mean at least 10-15 more movies before they cut off the spigot.

People wouldn't say it if it wasn't true

Well horror is generally autumn

All the big movies are released in summer and around Christmas because that's when kids are out of school and people are in vacation

well both universes diverge from 1973 so not really

Yes, but not in the way you think.
Yes because they did dark phoenix at the end of Apocalypse as well.

Not even once did they think “hey maybe it’s just a really shitty movie?” Or maybe casting fucking Sophie turner as your lead was a bad idea.

I wonder if the execs actually recognize it’s just another soulless cash grab or are there heads really that far up their asses. I actually don’t know

Eggsmen were never good.

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>make a shit movie
>I-It's Alita's fault!

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Weren't the Deadpool movies massive hits in spite of having essentially zero stakes? I mean all fourth wall shitposting aside, the actual narrative, it came down to

>save some guy's wife from Fake Jason Statham by fighting 10 thugs in a junkyard
>save some guy's daughter in the future from Fat Samoan Retard by running over a pedophile
They were the superhero equivalent of getting a lost cat out of a tree and they made a billion and a half dollars

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There are two things I have problem with without watching Dark Phoenix.
Wasnt it implied that she had the Phoenix powers in apocalypse, so is the space entity in the space scene a dark force that takes over and turns it into the Dark Phoenix? Because thats the only way it makes sense.
Second, one complaint a out DoFP is the ending, with every character present, they essentially revealed who would survive in the future, and who wouldnt. However Jean is in that scene with Wolverine, how is that possible if Wolverine isnt in the Dark Phoenix movie?

The Marvel universe covers many different characters and approaches. Fox just had X-Men which admittedly features a huge variety of characters to work with but they weren’t very imaginative and squandered it.

All Americans do is sit inside a stinking cinema all summer and watch explosions, while stuffing their face with candy and soda.

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There are three things
>Apocalypse wasn’t good and there was nothing to suggest this would be better
>People has already seen a lame attempt at the Dark Phoenix
>Besides X and Magneto nobody has any attachment to this gen of X men
You have to build anticipation for the Dark Phoenix with a Jean Grey people care about. Otherwise nobody is going to see OP mutant film #300 where the bad guys unite with the good in the second half

desu, Marvel has done a lot of things right with their world building, especially now with characters casually crossing over, building a whole universe. X-men just doesnt have that, especially not anymore.

I like how they just glossed over the fact that nobody liked Jlaw in the previous movie, and then they continue to make her unlikeable

Issue was they picked a fat sow as the MC.

First Class was reviewed well, though.
Has everyone, audience included, decided it's not really X-Men if it hasn't got Jackman/Stewart/Mckellen in it?

This. When I went to see the first X-Men movie it was 100% because of watching the 90's animated series. Wheres the draw for the younger generation to get into X-Men?

It certainly helped to have Jackson/Stewart/Mckellen because they are beloved by nerds and general audiences alike. Fassbender and McAvoy held their own and have their fans but the rest of the cast is just... the others and, worse, JLaw who is floundering in popularity.

Now take away Stewart/Mckellen/Jackman without adding anyone of value, just an “actress” that is only famous for being a small part of a giant cast on a popular show. Do you expect interest to rise or decrease? If you said “rise” you might have a future in Hollywood my friend.

Every movie series has one (or more) lynchpin actors, the ones who put bums on seats. Fassbender and (to a lesser extent) MacAvoy are good enough for their roles but the rest of the new x-men cast is sorely lacking. Seriously, who is emotionally invested in any of them?

Sit down niece.

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>Weak cast
Audience fatigue!
>Poor directing
It’s not a summer movie!
>Bad acting
Stiff competition!
>Everyone hates JLaw these days
She’s a treasure!
>Tons of reshoots
That’s normal now!
>No buzz
Polls are unreliable!
>Abysmal opening weekend
We were bought by Disney!
>Previous Movie underperformed
Too many explosions!
>This Movie is projected to do worse
Not enough explosions!

Yup, it’s a real head scratcher. How could a movie that everyone knew was going to fail end up... failing?

sorry user, normies are fucking drooling retards. The quality of the film has nothing to do with it's succcess

>Kinberg working behind the camera because Singer was busy fucking twink ass

Guess which part of the population suddenly has a lot of free time starting in May/June?

>Creative differences

I guess she wanted to continue the X-men movies with Matthew Vaughn/Jane Goldman if not for Kingsman. Then Singer and his crew came in and pushed for their way.

Even with all the bad ones, there's still more good X-Men movies than MCU movies.

no all the X men movies sucks except Logan and yet the end with the clone wolverine is shit

Movie is terribly uneven, but I thought Sophie did a good job overall.

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This, corporate ass covering has reached USSR levels of double speak.

She's a terrible Jean Grey

>Making movies by committee has problems
>Form committee to investigate

Jean Grey is a terrible character.

>decide it's the audience's fault

>pepelaughz
hehehehehe very cool frog reaction image friend, mind if I save it? thanks in advance EPIC! haha

Noone is going to see it bc its called xmen not xwomen.

Yeah but better

It's because of endgame and next month spidey. You know this

I literally never even heard about this movie until after it was released, including on Yea Forums.

It's pretty fucking abysmal when capeshit manages to fly under the radar. Hopefully a few more flops will discourage churning so many of these things out.

that's what everyone says about more successful groups of people

Phoenix force was a solar flare...

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Disney capeshit has yet to flop. When Sony started flopping, they called in the mouse. Apocalypse underperformed, sold to the mouse.
Rumors is that Warner is trying to sell DC.

rumors by disney fanboys

>he thinks x-men was sold to disney because it was "flopping" (it wasn't, Logan and Deadpool made a lot of money and Apocalypse still made money as well), not because disney bought the entire fucking company

But... But... Transformer have exec explosion and StiLL RaCKInG BiLLion

That's cause deadpool was a comedy oriented capeshit instead of an action oriented capeshit m8. Logan was an emotion oriented capeshit

Easy, smartass.
It´s called creative storyline writing and respecting your audience and their intelligence.
Both of which the Hollyjoos are pretty much incapable of.

Dream on hater-tard.

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No it's an excuse to ignore bad writing. No one wanted to tackle a movie where Sinister schemes and plots. No instead we have Phoenix kills fucking everyone until she just decides to kill herself, but not really

>to placate James Cameron, Fox’s most important filmmaker
What JimBo wants, JimBo gets.

Based Alita saving us from useless trash tier Capeshit with crappy GoT actresses.

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No, she actually didn't hurt too many people in this

I didn't go see it because ive already watched xmen 3
Fucking
You really couldn't do any other plotline to adapt

This, is there any interview or legit reason why after fucking setting him up they never did anything with Sinister?

A flamboyant eugenics obsesser is problematic desu

Based OP just straight up posting clickbait

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The problem is that No X men movie 7s fucking good... they are all convoluted messes. Horrible directed and made. Nothing to do with fatigue hollywood is out of touch.

Xmen has several lynchpin actors who put dicks in bums

Fassbender is shit. McAvoy was okay in First Class, but thats all. Jackman is the real fucking champ

Based cuck

Don't be retarded. AT&T and WB have no reason to sell DC. The latter has owned them for 50+ years now.

>people who own things never sell them

>noting that Donner additionally did not have anything to do with the successful Logan and Deadpool and Deadpool 2, either, on which she received producer credit, thanks to generous contract terms.

Fucking executive scum. Getting credit for doing nothing. People like this should be hanged.

If Warner feels like DC's brand is at risk of depreciating, they're gonna sell it. Nearly all of Fox was acquired by Disney. Brand loyalty doesn't exist when 10 figures are on the table.

>franchise fatigue
I'm surprised the term would even come up

what fucked them was the movie not being worth watching

>i-its because its franchise fatigue!
>no, its not because the actresses and actors we hired fucking blew dicks, and the CGI looked like a cheap low budget movie and the script was dogshit

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>a learning lesson

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>when they come back, it’s going to extend Marvel’s run another 10 years.”
not if Marvel's already killed itself with the post Endgame cast of characters nobody likes

the previous movies, obviously, which they grew up with and were way bigger than the cartoon
the problem is the new product fucking sucks, and all the original cast is gone and nobody cares about Jennifer Lawrence, Tye Sheridan, Sansa Stark, the literal who playing Storm, anybody who isn't Kelsey Grammer as Beast, or even McAvoy or Fassbender, who everyone has already seen do this whole bit three times already
the problem isn't franchise fatigue, it's them letting the franchise become stale

not if she's sexy
Sophie isn't

Based Mrs. Donner

Those movies failed because they're shit. How can they think it's fatigue when they put out like one movie every four years, while MCU is doing fine pumping out two every year?

>cast of characters nobody likes
>Guardians
>Thor
>Hulk
>Spider-man
In what world? And despite what Yea Forums wants to believe, Black Panther and Captain Marvel are also popular, you don't make a billion dollars with a character people don't like

you do if you can convince people they're bigots for not seeing their movies

Black Panther is unironically popular in the real world

with black people

Whatever you need to tell yourself user

>Dergarabedian
pffthahahaha lmao wtf

>black Captain America
>Captain Marvel
>Michonne
>genius black girl
>Lady Iron Man
>Valkyrie
>The Wasp
>Hawkeye
>War Machine
>Jon Favreau
and soon
>Mindy Kaling

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Just you wait. She's going to save America with her genius plans. Someone who didn't finish high school will keep it real.

They should have just rehired the cast from the Pervert Era. Now THAT was an X-men trilogy. *sips Monster Energy drink*

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tfw you're a spoiled whore movie star who feels too good to put on blue make up even though your characters rejects her human appearance

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even the guy who plays Black Panther doesn't like Black Panther

What the hell are those jowls? Is she halfway morphing into a bulldog?

Non comic fans dont even realize how Endgame setup a million more fucking movies, its not ending any time soon. And as soon as audiences do get tired, they will simply use more interesting comic concepts or cinematography, maybe even abandon the grounded approach in general. THE MONEY NEVER STOPS

It's almost as if superhero movies don't have to be all about trying to stop the end of the world. You don't have to have the entire planet being almost destroyed by a giant blue beam of light in the middle of a city generated by a giant doomsday machine.

You can tell smaller stories with superheroes and make them feel even more important than another story with a doomsday scenario.

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I haven't seen it but I read spoilers she dies in the movie which is good, shame she didn't die three films sooner.

outside of the Fox characters they haven't debuted yet, though, hasn't the MCU already used up all their most popular characters? I remember as a kid how fun the articles in Wizard magazine imagining dream casts for comic book movies were to read, among the entire class I was in, not just me. A good percentage of the excitement these generate is in seeing who's going to play the characters people are already familiar with, but it feels like there aren't a ton of characters left to bring to the franchise and create that feeling with, especially if they're planning on waiting a full 5 or more years before they start introducing X-Men or F4 characters.

apocalypse was shit even by capeshit standards. I figured the franchise would be finished after that. The people that run these studios are clueless.

Well you got your way user, more Endgame from the Russo faggots for everyone

this is why I hate them, its not about the steak or "size" of the plot, the Deadpool comics they were based on explore true pathos, the movies stick to fart and "gay is funny" jokes.

Let me blow your mind here. The Guardians of the Galaxy might as well of not fucking existed before their movie, the fact that they are now a household name is a monumental achievment in of itself. Let me give you some movies they might be considering as we speak just spinning off GoTG
>Adam Warlock: The Infinity Watch
>The original Guardians from the 70s
>Nova
then if none of those work, or best case scenerio they each become a hit franchise. Hell, even each of those can spin off into more and more movies, then you introduce X-Men or FF. Personally im hyped for the FF to finally be done right because their stories arent about beating a generic villain or saving reality, they usually have elements of philosophy lol

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American distraction runs like a clock 24/7. Just give me my seasonal distractions and goyfeed and i'm complacent enough to not be bothered with anything important.

>its not about the steak

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Daily reminder

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I meant it to be funny but I think reading it back, it didnt work. Im just drunk as fuck lol.

>Fox then tapped Simon Kinberg to helm the movie
As an aside, I can't wait until the use of "tapped" to mean "chose" passes out of fashion.

GotG was a success *entirely* on the back of the person who made it. I hate Slither, think Super is just mediocre, but James Gunn knocked it out of the park with the more Heavy Metal magazine-style approach to the material, making comic book movies actually feel like fucking comic books, finally
the characters were pretty irrelevant, and I'll be blown away if they ever luck out like that with putting a creative person in a position again; Taika Waititi doesn't count, since all he was doing was aping Gunn's approach

Well damn bud I totally see what you mean, I just cant express enough how Marvel Studios (and I guess disney by extension) is 100% playing with our expectations. And like suckers we're eating their slop up. All I can tell you, friend, is if you have a bit of Yea Forums knowledge youll see right through their schemes to steal our wallets. I grew up on comics, and comics try to steal your money harder than any Yea Forums franchise ive ever seen. Basically youre telling me they lucked out by hiring James Gunn, but these mother fuckers have nothing but time and money to fine their next perfect director/writer. And if I sound bitter, its just cause I am. Im jealous of the MCUs success, because on paper they arent doing anything too complex they just have a lot of perserverence

they don't have nothing but time and money bc people can lose interest if the product stops being good
see: Star Wars

The GoTG movie was part of the Avengers universe containing the OG characters everyone grew up with so fans felt obligated to see it. Luckily it turned out to be worthwhile thanks to Gunn which led to the characters sticking around. You can tell the Russos didn't know what to do with them Endgame though. I'll be surprised if lightning strikes twice now that the OG characters are being phased out. Since their storyline is concluded I don't see as many people lining up to invest in another 15 year arc tentpoled by C-listers and OCs. Guardians 3 will definitely do well thanks to fat Thor and the comedy angle plus riding on the fumes of Endgame. But shit like Nova and Adam Warlock will be interesting to see pan out. Most casual fans don't give a fuck about characters like them so Disney will have to feature the remaining popular characters in their movies similar to what they're doing with Guardians 3 to draw people in.

This why the Amusement Park Birthday story from my superhero TV series is a two-parter: because a bunch of superheros taking a lonely villain to an amusement park for her birthday can be an amazing story to tell over the course of 90 minutes.

Yeah, fatigue from watching shitty movies over and over. make good movies and there wont be fatigue.

>people are slightly less retarded than Fox thought/hoped.
i guess this means we'll be seeing more Shakespeare adaptations from Fox, then.

James Bond and Marvel do it fine

James Bond has been circling the drain since For Your Eyes Only. It gets a boost with the first film of each new actor, then goes right back into the shit.

>James Cameron, Fox’s most important filmmaker, and his concerns for his movie, Alita: Battle Angel.
Nice

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And now its Ass Covering Day
Its not because of all their meddling No, no no, its because the audience has franchise fatigue

>Jim fucks Dark Phoenix
>Jim stops Endgame from being #1
>Ran scared of Aquaman
Based Mamoa

>DARK PHOENIX was greenlit as a two-parter. The first movie would focus on Jean losing control of her powers, with the X-Men fighting to protect her and the Brotherhood of Mutants trying to kill her, and end with the battle in the streets of New York. The second part would focus on Jean’s transformation into the Phoenix and the arrival of the Shi’ar to kill her before she threatens the entire universe, and end with a massive battle between the X-Men and the Shi'ar armada in the United Nations.

>The two movies were to be filmed back-to-back, and the plan was to film the main action setpieces first. So the United Nations Battle set, the largest of any X-film, and the New York Street Battle set were all being built.

>Two months before principal photography, Fox and Disney began negotiating the merger. Fox slashed the project's budget and told Simon Kinberg and his team to scale it down to one movie. They had to rewrite the entire script, condensing pieces and ideas from the old drafts while cutting out characters, storylines and setpieces.

>Kinberg realized it would be a mistake to include the Shi'ar in the new script, as he wouldn't be able to explore their origin and they would steal the spotlight away from Jean, so they were changed into generic alien invaders, who were made into shapeshifters pretending to be human to save costs on CGI/prosthetics.

>Jessica Chastain signed to play Lilandra, the empress of the Shi'ar. She was an antagonist, but not a villain, and wanted to destroy the Phoenix to protect the cosmos. Her relationship with Xavier would be explored, and she would part on good terms with the X-Men. When the scripted changed, they had to delay her from shooting while they figured out who she would play and how she would be involved. Chastain started two and a half months after all the other actors had started.

People like this have always ordered the hangings you blind fool

I give it 3 years until Marvel brings the X-Men to the MCU.

Oh I'm sorry, I mean X-people.

>While they managed to rewrite the first two acts before principal photography, they had to start shooting without a proper third act.

>Chastain's character was still named "Lilandra" after rewrites, although she was no longer a Shi'ar. Kinberg realized that was a mistake and left the character and her species nameless up until close to release, when they ADR'd dialogue identifying them as Vuk and the D'Bari, respectively.

>Magneto's enforcers were going to be Psylocke and Sunfire, played by Olivia Munn and Rain, but they both dropped out due to scheduling conflicts, and the characters were cut for being too expensive. They were replaced by Selene and Red Lotus, whose powers were cheaper to animate. Their actors were originally an extra and a stuntman, respectively.

>The New York/United Nations sets were already partially built, and they didn't have enough money to build new ones, so the scenes had to be included in the new script, but heavily scaled down and with several key players missing.

>Due to the delays for rewrites Magneto, Beast, Storm, Nightcrawler and Quicksilver had to be written out of the United Nations battle, since their actors were unavailable. In the original cut, the characters are arrested after the New York Battle in the second act.

>The original cut ends with the alien flagship attacking the United Nations headquarters while Jean, Cyclops and Xavier help people get to safety. The Alien Queen arrives and announces that Earth is theirs. Jean becomes the Phoenix, disintegrates the Alien Queen, destroys the flagship and sacrifices herself to blow up the approaching alien armada.

>Test-audiences didn't like the original third act for being slow, bloated and missing half the cast, so Fox ordered reshoots to streamline the narrative, add more action and feature all the X-Men fighting together.

Middle school. She didn’t ENTER high school

>Fox originally wanted to redo the United Nations battle with all the X Men present, but the sets had been long destroyed, and rebuilding them was too timely and costly, so they settled for the train battle, which was predominantly shot on a soundstage.

>Quicksilver was kept out of most of the movie because the actor was unavailabe for the reshoots. He originally had a much bigger role and Magneto would find out he's his son.

>The movie was scheduled for November 2018, but had to be delayed due to the reshoots. Fox wanted to release it on February 2019 while Kinberg urged for a later date, since February wouldn’t give them enough time to edit, score and add effects. Fox scheduled it for February anyway.

>Fox eventually realized Kinberg was right. James Cameron was worried about ALITA: BATTLE ANGEL going up against AQUAMAN and BUMBLEBEE in December 2018, so Fox switched it to February and delayed DARK PHOENIX to June.

>Fox wanted a trailer to be released in order to soften the delay. The trailer would be the official announcement for the new date. Somewhere in the shuffle, the company that cut the trailer accidentally left the original February release, and Fox had to make an official announcement the day after.

>Kinberg tried to convince Fox to change the date again to an off-season month like February was, since the movie was not strong enough for the prime blockbuster rush, but Fox ignored him.

>Most of the marketing team was fired during the merger, leaving the movie largely unpromoted up until a month before release, when Disney officially took over and gave it a last-minute push.

>Ahead of release and already anticipating failure, Fox cut a lot of footage to trim the running time and squeeze in more showings per day.

In Hollywood you fail up blaming everyone else

based Jim

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It's actually not called X Men at all. It's just Dark Phoenix. So that probably hurt as well

>>There is a near-certainty that the property will be revived by Marvel itself, and its president Kevin Feige, although that is likely years away. “There is no rush to bring the X-Men to the marketplace after this,” says one producer. “And when they come back, it’s going to extend Marvel’s run another 10 years.”
I don't need another X-men movie any time soon. I just want X-men done well finally. We have had too much trash in these films.

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DC has consistently been a high grossing property for WB. They aren't selling it because they don't have anything to replace it with. They just had one of their biggest movies ever with Aquaman. Don't fall for Yea Forums shit posts

>postmortem meetings on Apocalypse, execs came away thinking that the movie's failure
>Budget: $178 million
>Box office: $543.9 million

Bull. Shit. Warners will never let it go. No matter how bad the movies do, the merchandising for the characters has been and continues to be a fucking gold mine.

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almost lost my job last week for bad think speak

fucking kikes. I really have given up on women and dark skinned people. they will just go wherever the wifi and welfare is.

>No matter how bad the movies do
The funny thing is this is literally the strongest DC movies have ever been. WB made over a billion on Aquaman and a small profit from Shazam. When WB made a billion off TDK they had bombs with Watchmen and Jonah Hex

see he got screwed
>fucking kikes. I really have given up on women and dark skinned people.
how does the first connect to the second and third?

>Still getting credited despite doing literally nothing for the past six years
The magic of contracts

Maybe Xavier nerfed her when he mindwiped her as a kid and the Apocalypse thing was her getting un-nerfed?

Get rid of these boomer exec kikes and give new filmmakers a shot. Faggots.

Apocalypse was on TV last night and it is shockingly bad

Most certainly the animated series reached a far greater audience. Even the video games were prominent in the snes era. Xmen on film promised an FX spectacle and something different from standard action movies. Today, that factor of novelty is gone and the films have to stand out on storyline.

well it hasnt, if anything the movies are steadily improving and trying new story structure as the audience takes the material more and more serious.

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Mhm I agree with you, I just dont think youre seeing the bigger picture which is theyre not limited to the "next" Avengers, the next big team will likely be the FF or X-Men, and they will likely continue on with largely unrelated smaller films in between those two's introduction. IDK its fun to guess, I felt a lot of excitment watching Endgame after Infinity War and not knowing anything about it. Especially since Endgame especially was a largely original story compared to Infinity War adapting parts of Thanos comics.

I dont belittle people to prop up my opinions

I don't think what you do matters
you're a fucking moron

That trainyard cost a lot of money and the engine drivers will be out of a job.

whats even the point of this conversation now

I don't know, why did you start it?
you said something stupid and I called it stupid
past that, you haven't brought much more to the table

I think youre a great person.

well, at least you're not a COMPLETE retard

why?

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most people that watched GoTG don't know shit about the ''OG'' characters and where just there to watch marvel kino. I think there where only a couple of nerds in the cinema that day

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>>Magneto's enforcers were going to be Psylocke and Sunfire, played by Olivia Munn and Rain, but they both dropped out due to scheduling conflicts, and the characters were cut for being too expensive. They were replaced by Selene and Red Lotus, whose powers were cheaper to animate. Their actors were originally an extra and a stuntman, respectively.
>Fox originally wanted to redo the United Nations battle with all the X Men present, but the sets had been long destroyed, and rebuilding them was too timely and costly, so they settled for the train battle, which was predominantly shot on a soundstage.
>Ahead of release and already anticipating failure, Fox cut a lot of footage to trim the running time and squeeze in more showings per day.

Jesus

Nobody cares about the 80s, and setting your movie in that time frame is a huge mistake

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The average moviegoer has no idea what the fuck is happening with X Men. The movies all come out like 3-4 years apart and aren't even that good.

Spectre made just under a billion. Bond's doing fine. The 3-5 year gap between each movie keeps it fresh.

t. Bong who has to apply for a license to watch his cuck porn

Kys

Are you saying the difference is that wh*tes aren’t malevolent to other groups? Because that’s a load of bullshit

>Gigantic wall of fucking text trying to explain Hollywood sycophancy, nepotism and retardation
The entire industry has their head up their asses, in their pursuit of making more money they have squandered the principles which started making them money in the first place. The writing has become a joke, the artistic integrity has been thrown to the wind and trying to market to bland mass appeal products. Unfortunately they’re going to be in business for a long time to come, but it really deserves to already come crashing down tomorrow.

There doesn't seem to be any kind of large-scale vision for the franchise, it's just "throw Jackman/McAvoy/Fassbender/Lawrence in front of a camera and hope it works".
>and aren't even that good.
X1, X2, First Class, and Logan were all pretty good.
X3, Days of Future Past, and Apocalypse were mediocre
Dark Phoenix and Wolverine Origins were just terrible

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>let's re-adapt a movie plotline from just over a decade ago
>wh-why didn't anyone come to see our movie?
wow, such genius

Imagine debicki tying you up and brutally "sterilizing" you omg

>First Class
>Good
Where do you people come from with this opinion? That movie was fucking awful. I honestly couldn't think of a worse way to reboot a franchise, save Fant4stic.
Move Days to pretty good, add The Wolverine to mediocre, and Apocalypse to terrible and there you have it.

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with no survivors